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Master Dumi
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Posted - 2010.01.10 21:15:00 -
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This is not Fair
(My ALT) Miner was Gunked today By 2 players. What can I do? I was at the Kbd but I don't have Active Tanking. I was lucky because Concord "was in time" to help me not get killed. Anyway, this is not FAIR !!!
This game says that you can be a miner, but now I see a campain against Miners!
It is very easy for a skilled pilot to Destroy any industrial or Exumer with a low-isk Cruiser, nothing to gain but a lot to lose for the Miner.
So, for the miners, skill for a Missile-Drake anh Hunt these players, cause if you do not return fire you will gain Kill-right. Fly safe!
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Asuri Kinnes
The Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2010.01.10 21:30:00 -
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Zill - are you that ignorant of the Petition process? I recommend that you petition any and every kill. Call it an exploit. I GUARANTEE you, you will *NOT* like CCP's response.
I'll give you a clue.
CCP will not class this as an exploit.
Originally by: Zill
Originally by: Zee driller hulkageddon is an exploit, nothing more nothing less.
Of coarse it's an exploit,
Then petition it - WE all know what answer CCP will give you...
Originally by: Zill The gankers have zero to loose, no risk for 100% gain. Seems fair to me basically they are exploiting a broken mechanic to grief those who cant afford it the most, an also the least able to defend agaisnt it. This holy than tho bull**** about "we are only killing macros" because we care **** is the biggest load of toss ever to grace the EvE forums. lol
They do it for one reason an 1 reason only. Grief nothing els.
Greifing as defined by CCP: GRIEFING Last line is REALLY interesting to you:
Originally by: CCP the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature.
Originally by: Zill Lets see 1.They get full insurance back 2.They are free to pack roam in 1.0 to 0.5 with total impunity 3.They cant be hunted in turn because NPC corps cant X up 4.the so called "consequence" is a joke "- standing is nothing an so easily repaired its offensive.
#1 - True, insurance needs looked at. No one argues that. If you think removing insurance will *stop* suicide gankings (or even slow it down?) your deluding yourself.
#2 - Faction Navies aggress them whenever they enter the system. Hardly total impunity.
#3 - For those who weren't -10 yesterday, they ARE -10 TODAY, and AS SUCH can be attacked with IMPUNITY ANYWHERE IN HI-SEC. This mean you (YES YOU!) are FREE to fire on them ANYTIME - and fleet up, because being -10 means EVERYONE can shoot at you - so your points 2&3 are pure BS.
#4 - Standings suck ass to grind back up. Maybe you think its easy, I disagree.
Originally by: Zill This systme just enables the gankers an the younger ones to turn feral an ruin playtime for those who are more interested in the industrial side of the game (yes some ppl like to play non pvp games).
They pay their money each month an enjoy playing industrial game.
Originally by: CCP the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature.
Originally by: Zill Same thing happened in Darkfall an UO an is happening in Mortal online, FFA gameplay when the inmates find a hole they exploit it to the point of total breakdown destroying the game for those who don't see it as "cool dudez!" to grief.
This is obviously a very tuff time for you in your life... Eve *IS* made, specifically for pvp. CCP however has done more to limit, contain, control, restrict and RESTRAIN pvp in the last 5 years than they have to EVER encourage it. In case you didn't know? The entire game used to be 0.0
Imagine that.
So CCP changed mechanics, brought in police, security, all kinds of things.
To the point where *you* and others want to feel secure all the time. Guess what?
Originally by: CCP the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature.
Important words are "non-consensual" . Enjoy your "EXPLOIT" petitions...
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Zill
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.01.10 22:27:00 -
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I don't make petitions, an I have been a lot longer than most of you in EvE. Very few things in eve I have not taken part in over years. Fleet CAP battles Black ops drops are probably the two main ones I have not done in last 6 years.
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RyanSnake
Caldari Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2010.01.10 22:51:00 -
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I am one of these orphans and I am accepting donations as well!
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Dian'h Might
Minmatar Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.01.10 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: Master Dumi
It is very easy for a skilled pilot to Destroy any industrial or Exumer with a low-isk Cruiser, nothing to gain but a lot to lose for the Miner.
I doubt a cruiser could solo kill a hulk before concord shows up, you'd need 2 cruisers at a minimum for an untanked hulk. Throw on some buffer and resist mods, move it to a .7 system or higher, and the requirements to gank it go up pretty fast (as you should know seeing as your hulk wasn't actually killed).
An untanked hulk in a .9 - 1.0 system would require 3 BCs to take it down, and assuming a standard brutix fit, they'd all have to get within 2km without you noticing and warping out (not hard to notice and warp out since you are at the keyboard, right?). With some resists and buffer fitted (while maintaining full mining capabilities), the number quickly moves up to 4-5 BCs.
While you can't make a hulk (or just about anything else) suicide gank proof, you can defiantly make it a lot harder to gank. A hulk with 8k ehp sitting still while a fleet of catalysts creeps up to it is a lot easier to take down than a hulk with 17k ehp that stays aligned and warps away when anything capable of a suicide gank shows up in the belt and/or local.
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Master Dumi
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Posted - 2010.01.11 02:43:00 -
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I'we learn from this, increase my tank but I will not change the system because here is my Homebase (0.6)
About the running part, they where warp-disrupting me and I just waited 4 Concord arrival. In My System there are Guys with Destroyers and Cruisers just mining. I was also attacked last week by a Cruiser, I wrote here my opinion cause it's not the first time.
This kind of Kamikaze is easy to do but NOT FAIR. We are NOT all 18 years old here and member of a Gang. I'm talking about some respect !
My main Char has over 30 mil SP and I can kill easily many players under 6 month. So, just making a point here, respect and fly safe!
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Mik Nostrebor
Minmatar Ex Coelis
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Posted - 2010.01.11 02:57:00 -
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I think I just figured out a macro for ganking miners.... ain't irony sweet?
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.01.11 02:59:00 -
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Originally by: Master Dumi I'we learn from this, increase my tank but I will not change the system because here is my Homebase (0.6)
About the running part, they where warp-disrupting me and I just waited 4 Concord arrival. In My System there are Guys with Destroyers and Cruisers just mining. I was also attacked last week by a Cruiser, I wrote here my opinion cause it's not the first time.
This kind of Kamikaze is easy to do but NOT FAIR. We are NOT all 18 years old here and member of a Gang. I'm talking about some respect !
My main Char has over 30 mil SP and I can kill easily many players under 6 month. So, just making a point here, respect and fly safe!
My main char has 60m sp and will pwn you
Originally by: a51 duke1406 The girls just dont understand that sunday is pvp night, not cuddle on the couch watching tv night.
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Mara Tessidar
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Posted - 2010.01.11 03:32:00 -
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Originally by: Master Dumi I'we learn from this, increase my tank but I will not change the system because here is my Homebase (0.6)
About the running part, they where warp-disrupting me and I just waited 4 Concord arrival. In My System there are Guys with Destroyers and Cruisers just mining. I was also attacked last week by a Cruiser, I wrote here my opinion cause it's not the first time.
This kind of Kamikaze is easy to do but NOT FAIR. We are NOT all 18 years old here and member of a Gang. I'm talking about some respect !
My main Char has over 30 mil SP and I can kill easily many players under 6 month. So, just making a point here, respect and fly safe!
What've you got against 18-year-olds in gangs?
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Mik Nostrebor
Minmatar Ex Coelis
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Posted - 2010.01.11 04:06:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Tessidar
What've you got against 18-year-olds in gangs?
I know what works really well against 18 year olds in gangs. You break all their hair straighteners, make them wash, and steal all their baseball caps. The crying can go on for weeks.
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Master Dumi
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Posted - 2010.01.11 04:10:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Tessidar
What've you got against 18-year-olds in gangs?
Nothing, but some of us want some peace, I'm thinking that PvP is more for Low-sec and stuff.
What do You think about Miners? What is so wrong with them that all of you want to Kill-them-all?
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XDSKIRBYKIA
Serenity Engineering and Transport Company Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.01.11 05:07:00 -
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Edited by: XDSKIRBYKIA on 11/01/2010 05:12:36
Official Announcement!!
Due to all the **** weak whining, Hulkageddon will now be extended in-defiantly.... Enjoy!
P.s Keep whinging and i hope organisers do extend it... Nothing worse than whining children, which is the whole vib of this thread. Live learn, change... If you are getting ganked by this operation... "Your doing it wrong".
jks.
Seriously though, I own 3 Accounts that all have a well specÆed hulk char on each for easy ISK making..... I am not whining i actually grab a butt load of cruisers and had some fun pvp'ing.... in a PVP game... weird who would have thought that you can attack players in a PVP game...
Also @zill... You have been playing for 6 years and you still fail at understanding eve..... wow just wow!
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Helmh0ltz
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Posted - 2010.01.11 06:14:00 -
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I just want to say, as an orphan adopted by the Hulkageddon Orphanage, I am proud to say I have participated in the slayings of over half a dozen evil hulk-mining people. Some of them were afk. The ones who weren't tho, we got scrambled them and got 'em anyway!
For those who say the only reward is carebear tears that is simply not true. When hulks die they drop lots of nice, shiny loot and leave lot's of tech II mining drones lying around. I have made millions of isk in addition to many carebear tears!
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Ancy Denaries
Forever Unbound
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Posted - 2010.01.11 08:46:00 -
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Originally by: Zee driller hulkageddon is an exploit, nothing more nothing less.
You should really read up on the rules before you spout lies on the forums. It makes you look stupid. ---- The Demigodess with a Conscience - An EVE IC Blog Personal Killboard |
Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.01.11 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: Master Dumi
Originally by: Mara Tessidar
What've you got against 18-year-olds in gangs?
Nothing, but some of us want some peace, I'm thinking that PvP is more for Low-sec and stuff.
What do You think about Miners? What is so wrong with them that all of you want to Kill-them-all?
A miner touched me in a bad place after luring me into his Hulk with promises of candy and funny stories
Originally by: a51 duke1406 The girls just dont understand that sunday is pvp night, not cuddle on the couch watching tv night.
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Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus
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Posted - 2010.01.11 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: Zill
I know the system wont be changed, even though it should be, sad to see a great game like EvE cater tot he minority who only want to coarse misery to others. but oh well.
If losing your Internet spaceship makes you miserable have you considered medical help? -- 081014 : emoragequit, char transfered to a friend, 090317 : back to original owner blog |
Major Trant
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.01.11 15:30:00 -
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I am confused and I'm not being sarcastic when I say that, but why do people spend ages learning to fly Hulks in order to go mining in a Hulk. I'm talking about these real players not the macro miners - I mean what do you do? You sit there watching a red beam hit an asteroid and then every few minutes, transfer the ore to a hauler and ship it to market. Then you make a load of ISK and repeat.
I just don't get it, I mean I mission say one day a week, make a load of ISK and then use it to fund my PvP char. But it sounds like you miners do nothing but mine 23/7, why? Believe me I have tried mining but I only got as far as an Osprey with T2 Mining Lasers and I was ready to commit suicide.
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Leocadminone
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Posted - 2010.01.12 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Samantha Spacepilot Eve Forums or WoW Forums, I just can't tell which is which now.
So far, Eve has managed to not fixtate on that so-so martial artist/poor actor. You know which one I'm talking about.
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Leocadminone
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Posted - 2010.01.12 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Major Trant I am confused and I'm not being sarcastic when I say that, but why do people spend ages learning to fly Hulks in order to go mining in a Hulk.
It doesn't take that long to learn to fly a Hulk. EveMon is your friend. My plan for a new character shows appx. 2 months - NO optimisation, NO implants, and not optimised just to get to a Hulk but optimised for a "Perfect Miner" with a few learning skills that actually slow me down getting just to the Hulk. WITH attribute optimisation and a set of +2 implants it's a lot closer to A month - and some of those skills you might already have if you fly anything bigger than a newbie Frigate or Destroyer.
Originally by: Major Trant I'm talking about these real players not the macro miners - I mean what do you do? You sit there watching a red beam hit an asteroid and then every few minutes, transfer the ore to a hauler and ship it to market. Then you make a load of ISK and repeat.
What do I do? I play something else on the next computer over - currently either Hearts of Iron III, Civ IV, or Europa Universalis III. Or I browse the Net. I eat. I get up to visit the restroom. Etc. My roomies are more inclined to play things like Counterstrike while they're mining, or do serious web browsing in the case of my girlfriend.
Mining is nice in that you can earn ISK while doing OTHER stuff you enjoy - usually.
Now, running a FLEET Mining op can be a lot like work - try running an Orca with 3-6 Hulks following you around feeding straight into your corp hold. THAT is not boring.....
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Dani SP
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Posted - 2010.01.12 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: Major Trant I am confused and I'm not being sarcastic when I say that, but why do people spend ages learning to fly Hulks in order to go mining in a Hulk. I'm talking about these real players not the macro miners - I mean what do you do? You sit there watching a red beam hit an asteroid and then every few minutes, transfer the ore to a hauler and ship it to market. Then you make a load of ISK and repeat.
I just don't get it, I mean I mission say one day a week, make a load of ISK and then use it to fund my PvP char. But it sounds like you miners do nothing but mine 23/7, why? Believe me I have tried mining but I only got as far as an Osprey with T2 Mining Lasers and I was ready to commit suicide.
I have 2 hulk alts and I use them like.......... 2-3 days a month
indeed its boring. Can be relaxing for a while, in example after an stressing day on job or whatever. But I know of guys that are like 12/7 and they are not macroing. They claim they do it for financing the PLEX
I killed my 1st Hulk today (wardec) and I felt like YEAH!!! pwnage, pay up 200m to recover losses now dude, I just ruined about a week of his poor life
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Leocadminone
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Posted - 2010.01.12 02:44:00 -
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Nah, half a week at most if they are mining 12/7 - even at current mineral prices, 5 million an hour is easy to manage in a well-set-up Hulk, 7-9 if you can get away with Jetcan mining, mabey 10 if you have an Orca helping - in Empire assuming you're mining Scordite, Veldspar, or Kernite.
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Multipurpose Cleaner
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Posted - 2010.01.12 03:02:00 -
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Originally by: Leocadminone
Originally by: Major Trant I am confused and I'm not being sarcastic when I say that, but why do people spend ages learning to fly Hulks in order to go mining in a Hulk.
It doesn't take that long to learn to fly a Hulk. EveMon is your friend. My plan for a new character shows appx. 2 months - NO optimisation, NO implants, and not optimised just to get to a Hulk but optimised for a "Perfect Miner" with a few learning skills that actually slow me down getting just to the Hulk. WITH attribute optimisation and a set of +2 implants it's a lot closer to A month - and some of those skills you might already have if you fly anything bigger than a newbie Frigate or Destroyer.
Originally by: Major Trant I'm talking about these real players not the macro miners - I mean what do you do? You sit there watching a red beam hit an asteroid and then every few minutes, transfer the ore to a hauler and ship it to market. Then you make a load of ISK and repeat.
What do I do? I play something else on the next computer over - currently either Hearts of Iron III, Civ IV, or Europa Universalis III. Or I browse the Net. I eat. I get up to visit the restroom. Etc. My roomies are more inclined to play things like Counterstrike while they're mining, or do serious web browsing in the case of my girlfriend.
Mining is nice in that you can earn ISK while doing OTHER stuff you enjoy - usually.
Now, running a FLEET Mining op can be a lot like work - try running an Orca with 3-6 Hulks following you around feeding straight into your corp hold. THAT is not boring.....
I think the point he's trying to make is, what DO you actually DO with that isk? So far all you've told us is that you can make isk while doing other stuff or playing other games. But surely you don't pay $15bucks a month just so you can make some isk while doing other stuff?
The only possible reason, really, is to make isk to fund PVP or other stuff. But ultimately if you mine to pay for a plex, and don't even really play the game (apart from mining while doing other stuff like you keep telling us), then why bother playing in the first place? Wouldn't your efforts and concentration be better spent if you apply yourself 100% to whatever you were doing?
Disregard above if you DO mine just as an alternate activity in EVE, or as an isk making endevour to fund ships etc.
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Lysander Kaldenn
Dead Reckoning.
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Posted - 2010.01.12 06:42:00 -
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My company provides us to support Hulkaggedon completely. We do not support are the macroscopic farmer who the dog we does not approve likely did not know. In May their blood stream hotly in street. Is willing them no longer to pollute our holy conveyer belt!! Works for them in the Chinese restaurant, therefore perhaps they learn the persistent and hard-working work meaning!!
GLORY FOR CHINA!
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