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Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
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Posted - 2012.06.23 19:47:00 -
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I was listening to a podcast with CSM Selene talking about his recent trip to Iceland and one of the things he mentioned was CCP having the tools to create PvP arenas in EVE, and this being something CCP was considering for the future.
Such content is completely inappropriate for a game like EVE. I would hope the CSM told CCP to shelve the idea? EVE is slipping further and further away from the Sandbox PvP MMO model, the last thing we need is instanced arenas.
Any CSM members like to comment on this? |
Ravan Hekki
Imperial Guardians
The Aurora Shadow
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Posted - 2012.06.23 23:11:00 -
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As long as it was part of the universe i'd have no problem.
PVP areanas....no, **** no.
The Quafe combat tournament... **** yes. Death race arenas, hell yeah.
Just have to be sure its done well and we can have team racing colours and a tour :)
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Gevlin
Universal Might
DSM FOUNDATION
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Posted - 2012.06.24 18:09:00 -
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bah I think arenas won't be instanced it is not in the nature of eve.
but to have a rule set that people can agree on and do battle with will be awesome.....
Now if a third party wants to suicide gank the tourney --- Booya!!!
In DDO and and Everquest 1 The arenas are not instanced items.
The Goons are Coming, The Goons are Coming
Jita the April 28, Hulk a geddon April 29 for a month.
The Best Tears are the Geifer's Tears.
just hope the new crime watch system is in place by then.... oh the chaos will rain!!! |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power.
Cascade Imminent
1365
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Posted - 2012.06.25 03:11:00 -
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players can already agree to have 1v1 fights or not, arenas are not needed or wanted |
Kaelie Onren
Nyan Cat Logistics
PNG Associates
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Posted - 2012.06.25 13:38:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:players can already agree to have 1v1 fights or not, arenas are not needed or wanted
But they can't agree on Prizes for the winner, costs for the loser, rules of engagement, modules allowed, etc. This would be a good improvement. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1824
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Posted - 2012.06.25 15:13:00 -
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Deadspace arenas are fine...so long as they can be scanned down, fleet warped, and all the rest.
Just say no to instanced anything.
It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
mxzf
Shovel Bros
1828
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Posted - 2012.06.26 03:13:00 -
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Kaelie Onren wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:players can already agree to have 1v1 fights or not, arenas are not needed or wanted But they can't agree on Prizes for the winner, costs for the loser, rules of engagement, modules allowed, etc. This would be a good improvement.
Then a player should step up and offer to be a third-party judge who can hold the prizes and give them to the winner. Eve doesn't need mechanical systems taking over things, it needs players to step up and just run things. And what would a contest be in Eve if you weren't running the risk that the third-party judge could just run off with your ISK instead of paying it out; that just screams Eve to me, lol. |
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
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Posted - 2012.06.26 05:25:00 -
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mxzf wrote:Kaelie Onren wrote:
But they can't agree on Prizes for the winner, costs for the loser, rules of engagement, modules allowed, etc. This would be a good improvement.
Then a player should step up and offer to be a third-party judge who can hold the prizes and give them to the winner. Eve doesn't need mechanical systems taking over things, it needs players to step up and just run things. And what would a contest be in Eve if you weren't running the risk that the third-party judge could just run off with your ISK instead of paying it out; that just screams Eve to me, lol.
Or they could actually provide an honest service and end up as a Chribba meets Batiatus mix and gain lots of ISK and EVE fame.
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Flamespar
Woof Club
387
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Posted - 2012.06.26 05:34:00 -
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I'm all for this. It could be a great spectator sport. And it would allow players to pvp without fear of death-by-blob
I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
mxzf
Shovel Bros
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Posted - 2012.06.26 05:40:00 -
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Xorv wrote:mxzf wrote:Kaelie Onren wrote:
But they can't agree on Prizes for the winner, costs for the loser, rules of engagement, modules allowed, etc. This would be a good improvement.
Then a player should step up and offer to be a third-party judge who can hold the prizes and give them to the winner. Eve doesn't need mechanical systems taking over things, it needs players to step up and just run things. And what would a contest be in Eve if you weren't running the risk that the third-party judge could just run off with your ISK instead of paying it out; that just screams Eve to me, lol. Or they could actually provide an honest service and end up as a Chribba meets Batiatus mix and gain lots of ISK and EVE fame.
Of course, that would be the best solution. I was just pointing out that a player creating a huge organization and then running off with the proceeds is also completely within the scope of Eve too. |
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Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
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Posted - 2012.06.26 06:12:00 -
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mxzf wrote:Xorv wrote:
Or they could actually provide an honest service and end up as a Chribba meets Batiatus mix and gain lots of ISK and EVE fame.
Of course, that would be the best solution. I was just pointing out that a player creating a huge organization and then running off with the proceeds is also completely within the scope of Eve too.
Yeah absolutely, it's the open ended uncertain outcome which is the wonder and excitement of the sandbox.
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Gevlin
Universal Might
DSM FOUNDATION
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Posted - 2012.06.27 04:08:00 -
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remember a sandbox is all about OPTIONS
you can make your own game.
If an instance is required for an arena to work well enough for a player to make there own Alliance Tourney Event, Why not?
It provides an opportunity to train newbes, To state and brag they are awesome in there small pond, It destroys assests, may open up an oportunity to place bets.
Tell me what does Instanced Arena Take away from the game? - Blindly Saying No to such an item is just so Carebear.. People are asking for this.
Don't feed me the line that Eve is all about Non consentual Combat! That is a statement made by weak bullies with no skills nor the desire to challenge them selves. They have a need to fight unfair fight to feel good about them selves. If they loose a fight they end up rage quitting stating the opponent cheated.
These Arenas can be a learning tool, to help newbs learn at a rate they absorb the lessons.
I want to variety! and Arenas give that! Though giving a third party an ability to effect it even better!
The Goons are Coming, The Goons are Coming
Jita the April 28, Hulk a geddon April 29 for a month.
The Best Tears are the Geifer's Tears.
just hope the new crime watch system is in place by then.... oh the chaos will rain!!! |
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
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Posted - 2012.06.27 06:33:00 -
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Gevlin wrote:remember a sandbox is all about OPTIONS
you can make your own game.
No. Your understanding of what a sandox is in relation to MMORPGs is fundamentally wrong. It is not about presenting players with loads of set options they can choose in isolation from the rest of the game and the rest of the player base. That is essentially a themepark MMOPRG with lots of rides, not a sandbox.
A sandbox MMORPG gives players the opportunity to create their own options in and amongst every other player in the game, not in isolation from them.
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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
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Posted - 2012.06.27 11:49:00 -
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Xorv wrote:Gevlin wrote:remember a sandbox is all about OPTIONS
you can make your own game. No. Your understanding of what a sandox is in relation to MMORPGs is fundamentally wrong. It is not about presenting players with loads of set options they can choose in isolation from the rest of the game and the rest of the player base. That is essentially a themepark MMOPRG with lots of rides, not a sandbox. A sandbox MMORPG gives players the opportunity to create their own options in and amongst every other player in the game, not in isolation from them.
Exactly, this type of arena stuff has no place in EvE Online.
If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
Eidric
Shadows of HyperSpace
Wormholes Holders
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Posted - 2012.07.01 10:45:00 -
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I hope only Arenas we will see will be DUST ones, with us betting.
Eve ones are debatable at best. |
Mechael
Ouroboros Executor Collective
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Posted - 2012.07.02 18:12:00 -
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It would need to be part and parcel of the EVE universe. No instances, obviously. However, the ability to set up your own deadspace pocket to run a fight club does sound intriguing.
Whether or not you win the game matters not. -áIt's if you bought it. |
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
598
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Posted - 2012.07.03 05:22:00 -
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CCP and the CSM are down with arenas. No one said anything about instancing though. EVE isn't WoW.
Arydanika:-á"Alekseyev Karrde mercenary of my heart."-á
CSM7 rep, CSM 4 vet
www.noirmercs.com
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Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
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Posted - 2012.07.03 19:40:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:CCP and the CSM are down with arenas. No one said anything about instancing though. EVE isn't WoW.
Thanks for the response. Not being instanced is good, but the whole concept still has the taint of poop all over it. Will we be seeing more details in the CSM minutes or is it something further down the road? |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.07.03 23:22:00 -
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If it /was/ going to be instances, then it'd be deadspace, with a acceleration gate to access. Possibly limited by ship types.
And one real benefit of an 'arena'. You could turn off Concord within (maybe).
FuzzWork Enterprises
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Hrald
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.07.06 09:45:00 -
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I don't know why there is resistance to arenas. I think if done properly in hisec, it'd be interesting. What I've always thought would be cool is a gambling aspect to it where one can bet on matches between players. |
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Evador Gemini
Nasgul Collective
Soldiers Of New Eve
0
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Posted - 2012.07.06 12:56:00 -
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Here is my take on the arena, closely resembling the alliance tournament:
At the center of it is a deployable structure, limited to 1 per system and showing up on overview as soon as anchored. Once it is online the owner can set a few options: name of the arena, timelimit and names for RED and BLUE team, also "register" pilots within 125k of the structure for either team.
Once everything is set the owner starts the match remotely. Now a bubble goes up around the structure with a 125k radius. Everyone not "registered" for a team gets pushed outside the bubble. Ships inside the bubble can not cloak or warp, nor can ships enter or exit the bubble, for the duration of the match. Much like a POS it would also be impossible to target ships inside from the outside, and the other way around. There would be a 1 minute countdown before the match starts during wich the velocity of all players inside is set to 0 and no targeting inside the bubble is possible. Then the match starts and the Bubble will remain up for as long as set before. This can be limited to 5-30 minutes. During the match pods might be set invulnerable or automatically pushed outside the limits. Agression mechanics would obviously have to be suspended if it was in Highsec/Lowsec. Once the specified time is up all target locks inside the bubble are automatically broken and then the bubble disappears. The settings for the arena structure automatically reset at the end of the match, preperations for a new match can get underway.
Now for spectators outside the arena but on grid it would be nice to have a window similar to the watchlist that shows pilot name, shiptype and healtbars, maybe even ewar effects, for both teams (that would be the reason to register players by team, and have team names).
I think this would add a nice tool to the sandbox, and players are still required to set up an arena, as well as for making up rules for teamsize, ships, fittings etc. and enforcing them, and declaring winner/looser.
Players could also collect/hand out prizes and set up betting. |
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
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Posted - 2012.07.06 20:37:00 -
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Evador Gemini wrote:
I think this would add a nice tool to the sandbox, and players are still required to set up an arena, as well as for making up rules for teamsize, ships, fittings etc. and enforcing them, and declaring winner/looser.
Players could also collect/hand out prizes and set up betting.
How exactly would your arena idea be considered "a nice tool" to be added to the Sandbox? Because the way I see it, your idea does nothing positive to foster a sandbox environment. Whenever you ask for game mechanics like this to isolate or protect you from the possible actions of other players you are not enhancing the Sandbox, you're damaging it. On a different tangent it makes no sense at all from a roleplaying/lore sense either.
Now if there was some new form of deployable bubble that acting as a force field keeping those inside in and those outside out for a certain duration, that could be created in a way that makes sense lore/roleplaying wise, and could be considered another tool in the Sandbox, but no more so than a warp bubble happens to be already. In other words it doesn't enhance the Sandbox nature of the game, but at least unlike your idea it doesn't damage it either. Gameplay balance would be another matter.
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises
Purpose Built
975
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Posted - 2012.07.07 03:51:00 -
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I would have no problem if an arena was just a deadspace pocket that could simply be scanned down.
Just no instancing... please. |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
935
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Posted - 2012.07.07 08:35:00 -
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Xorv wrote:I was listening to a podcast with CSM Selene talking about his recent trip to Iceland and one of the things he mentioned was CCP having the tools to create PvP arenas in EVE, and this being something CCP was considering for the future.
Such content is completely inappropriate for a game like EVE. I would hope the CSM told CCP to shelve the idea? EVE is slipping further and further away from the Sandbox PvP MMO model, the last thing we need is instanced arenas.
Any CSM members like to comment on this?
yes if death is REAL, and i can gamble on it
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Saul Elsyn
Angels Of Prosperity
0
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Posted - 2012.07.11 23:19:00 -
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Hmm... instanced arenas.
Well, considering the Alliance Tournament has established blood sport as a real thing among capsuleers... why not? Should they be instanced though?
Well... if it's in open space it won't be instanced... just, no. That defeats the purpose of a sandbox...
However... if you built an enormous space station at some location as an arena and matches took place inside... that could work. It'd even work pretty well in the universe.
Then you could setup betting around the matches, automatic matching for those that just want instant pvp with a couple rules. Podding yes or no... max size ship, minimum size ship, max meta of modules, and all that could be put into an auto-matching system.
And then you could have it so that the arena automatically hauls the loot and salvage from your kill in the arena to your hanger and so forth.
We'll never have instanced pvp in space... but if there was a dedicated arena station? I could go for that. |
Signal11th
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Posted - 2012.07.13 07:46:00 -
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Hrald wrote:I don't know why there is resistance to arenas. I think if done properly in hisec, it'd be interesting. What I've always thought would be cool is a gambling aspect to it where one can bet on matches between players.
And this is one of the reasons I would say no to it!
If you have arenas in high-sec you will basically remove the need for high-sec dwellers to come to 0.0, why fight and die and move all your shi te to 0.0 when you can get a quick pvp fix in an arena. no thanks gettings people into 0.0 is hard enough.
There is lots of little other things that CCP should be looking at years before they look into this.
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Jim Era
Viziam
Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.07.18 15:18:00 -
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I am a fairly new player to the game...
However, the main reason that I chose to continue playing and enjoy it is due to the harsh nature of PvP.
Don't get me wrong, getting griefed sucks but that is how the 'real' world works.
Arenas or set matchmaking ques would turn this game exactly like the rest.
Please don't do this CCP :[
EVE has blown my mind and I absolutely love this game but get scared when I hear the directions that it 'might' be going.
I do enjoy the idea of tourneys though, such as quarterly/bia-nnualy or something of the sort.
But not just a matchmaking que. Dueling is fine but come on, no automated systems.
The reason EVE is unique is due to the natural player run content.
Being a part of something that is unscripted and completely rational yet irrational at the same time is overwhelmingly intriguing.
Yes, subs might go up if you have arenas and matchmaking ques, but do we really want all the terrible people that make up most other popular MMO communities? |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
987
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Posted - 2012.07.19 05:52:00 -
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this is like saying that RvB is killing the game. That's stupid. We make in game arenas all the time. the tool would just be an added tool to help us do things we allready do.
matches where one side attacks a ship and other defends it are one of my favorite game types in eve. If they made a tool that wasn't froced, didn't protest players and such. If it was just a pool mecanhic that made betting on these matches easy and with it's own UI, i see nothing wrong with giving more tools to something that allready happens.
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Sheynan
Lighting the blight
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Posted - 2012.07.19 14:57:00 -
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A special type of contract where you give each other kill rights for a period of time/location and set a trophy would probably be enough. |
Jim Era
Viziam
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:13:00 -
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Sheynan wrote:A special type of contract where you give each other kill rights for a period of time/location and set a trophy would probably be enough.
Never thought of that but it actually sounds like it would still keep the same realistic feel and player based content
while still allowing people to do their thing.
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