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yfz3r0
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.01.16 07:45:00 -
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I am looking to tutor a new Eve player 1-on-1.
My background: I started Eve in early 2004 and been playing ever since. I have flown all races and ship classes in Eve with the exception of capital ships. I was a pirate for most of my Eve career, but have also done anti-pirating, faction warfare, mining, 0.0 alliance warfare, tou name it and I have probably done it. What I can offer is plenty of Eve knowledge and a friendly manner in which I will share it.
If this sounds interesting to you, please dont hesitate to Eve-mail me, convo me or reply to this thread. 
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Elena Laskova
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Posted - 2010.01.16 11:42:00 -
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Edited by: Elena Laskova on 16/01/2010 11:43:04
Rookies:
The fundamental rule of EvE is "Don't trust anybody, ever".
At first glance this looks like a suggestion that you don't play EvE, but it's not. It's a reminder that you should always consider risks and the potential cost of betrayal.
The risk:
The majority of experienced EvE players who offer to help rookies promptly take them into lowSec and gank / podKill them. Why do they do it? Most players place a high value on killMails - even in they have to betray and kill someone in a Starter Ship to get one. In EvE, rookies are a consumable, like ammo.
The cost:
A little time; the cost of replacing your ship and fittings (don't forget to deduct the insurance payout for the hull); the cost of replacing your implants.
So, before you put your "mentor" in a position where they can gank you (join their Corp, enter lowSec or noSec with them), make sure you've already received more from them than the cost of betrayal. Ship, fittings, implants, and (for the first kill) ISK 20 million for the killMail.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2010.01.16 13:09:00 -
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 Originally by: Elena Laskova
The majority of experienced EvE players who offer to help rookies promptly take them into lowSec and gank / podKill them.
That's a blatant lie. 'Don't trust strangers' is sound advice, but to claim that most strangers will kill you is simply false. There are plenty of people who actually help new players.
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Avo Daith
Mentors Administration
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Posted - 2010.01.16 13:22:00 -
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Edited by: Avo Daith on 16/01/2010 13:25:06
Originally by: Elena Laskova
Edited by: Elena Laskova on 16/01/2010 11:43:04
Rookies:
The fundamental rule of EvE is "Don't trust anybody, ever".
At first glance this looks like a suggestion that you don't play EvE, but it's not. It's a reminder that you should always consider risks and the potential cost of betrayal.
The risk:
The majority of experienced EvE players who offer to help rookies promptly take them into lowSec and gank / podKill them. Why do they do it? Most players place a high value on killMails - even in they have to betray and kill someone in a Starter Ship to get one. In EvE, rookies are a consumable, like ammo.
The cost:
A little time; the cost of replacing your ship and fittings (don't forget to deduct the insurance payout for the hull); the cost of replacing your implants.
So, before you put your "mentor" in a position where they can gank you (join their Corp, enter lowSec or noSec with them), make sure you've already received more from them than the cost of betrayal. Ship, fittings, implants, and (for the first kill) ISK 20 million for the killMail.
Stop playing Eve. You have entirely the wrong attitude to be in an MMO with other human beings. In fact stay in bed and don't leave your house.
Don't fly what you can't afford to lose is the first rule of Eve. Never trust anyone is just stupid. I have trusted hundreds, thousands of people during my Eve career. Much less than one percent of them have turned out not to be worth that trust, and I have lost much less than one percent of my assets by the betrayal.
If you fly around demanding money from people for the privilege of being taught by them you're not going to learn very much. Except maybe being told how to go f**k yourself in foreign languages.
Never trust anyone, in real life or online, with all your posessions and your entire life. Anyone who tells you not to trust anyone ever is a fool and scared of life.
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Elena Laskova
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Posted - 2010.01.16 15:03:00 -
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Always fun to see the responses from butt-hurt EvE players when you suggest there's any ganking, scamming, lying, or griefing in EvE.
Especially because if you're not rookies yourselves, you've already adopted a playstyle that protects you from the "dark side" of EvE.
EvE has a greater concentration of scumbags than the average prison. That's the *point* of EvE. That's what everyone stays for. The game works like one of those large cities with big slums that are run by criminal gangs, where the police are scared to enter.
It's nice to have a game that caters to vicious, spiteful, lying sewer rats. It's fun to play even if you're not one of them.
But pretending they aren't there in large numbers is just foolish.
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yfz3r0
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.01.16 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Elena Laskova
Edited by: Elena Laskova on 16/01/2010 11:43:04
Rookies:
The fundamental rule of EvE is "Don't trust anybody, ever".
At first glance this looks like a suggestion that you don't play EvE, but it's not. It's a reminder that you should always consider risks and the potential cost of betrayal.
The risk:
The majority of experienced EvE players who offer to help rookies promptly take them into lowSec and gank / podKill them. Why do they do it? Most players place a high value on killMails - even in they have to betray and kill someone in a Starter Ship to get one. In EvE, rookies are a consumable, like ammo.
The cost:
A little time; the cost of replacing your ship and fittings (don't forget to deduct the insurance payout for the hull); the cost of replacing your implants.
So, before you put your "mentor" in a position where they can gank you (join their Corp, enter lowSec or noSec with them), make sure you've already received more from them than the cost of betrayal. Ship, fittings, implants, and (for the first kill) ISK 20 million for the killMail.
I can get my kills without having to lure noobs who have close to nothing into low-sec and killing their Tech1 frigates. So maybe you should have some facts behind your accusations before you come into my thread and starting throwing slander around. Thanks 
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Elena Laskova
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Posted - 2010.01.16 15:27:00 -
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Edited by: Elena Laskova on 16/01/2010 15:28:03
Yf0
Read what you quoted. What I stated was clear, accurate, and not directed at a specific EvE player. And even if you were Chribba, the advice is still good.
Your reaction, on the other hand, has me wondering what you're up to. "Your" thread? "Accusations?". "Slander?". You take yourself far too seriously.
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Avo Daith
Mentors Administration
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Posted - 2010.01.16 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Elena Laskova
Edited by: Elena Laskova on 16/01/2010 15:28:03
Yf0
Read what you quoted. What I stated was clear, accurate, and not directed at a specific EvE player. And even if you were Chribba, the advice is still good.
Your reaction, on the other hand, has me wondering what you're up to. "Your" thread? "Accusations?". "Slander?". You take yourself far too seriously.
Once again: It was not accurate, and is the worst advice possible to play this game. You have taken a fundamental truth (there's no such thing as a free lunch) and turned into universal paranoia (everyone is out to get you). They are not the same thing.
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yfz3r0
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.01.16 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Elena Laskova
Edited by: Elena Laskova on 16/01/2010 15:28:03
Yf0
Read what you quoted. What I stated was clear, accurate, and not directed at a specific EvE player. And even if you were Chribba, the advice is still good.
Your reaction, on the other hand, has me wondering what you're up to. "Your" thread? "Accusations?". "Slander?". You take yourself far too seriously.
I take this seriously because when I started the game, I didn't know anything and the in-game tutorials were very lacking at the time, so I quit. I picked Eve back up about 2 or 3 months later and was lucky enough to have someone offer to show me the ropes and that's what really got me into Eve. I am just looking to reciprocate that favor to other people because I realize that it might be the difference between them sticking with Eve and going to play WoW.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2010.01.16 17:18:00 -
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Edited by: Estel Arador on 16/01/2010 17:18:37
Originally by: Elena Laskova
when you suggest there's any ganking, scamming, lying, or griefing in EvE.
You didn't 'suggest' that there is 'any ganking etc.', you stated that the majority of experienced players offering help have very bad intentions.
The suggestion in your second post might be accurate, the claim in your first post certainly is not.
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Tesco Yogurt
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Posted - 2010.01.16 17:26:00 -
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In case you guys haven't realized by now, Elena Laskova is either a troll out to discourage new players, or is just someone who will never 'get it'. Give newer players some credit, they too can distinguish between idiots and actual, helpful advice.
@Elena: For someone mocking another person for taking the game too seriously, you sure do sound all butthurt and bitter about A GAME.
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Elena Laskova
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Posted - 2010.01.16 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador
... you stated that the majority of experienced players offering help have very bad intentions. ...
From a rookie perspective I believe this to be true.
Of course majority just means "more than half". There is plenty of room for helpful player within that statement. You are a famous example of a helpful player, and have every right to be a lot more optimistic than me :)
For the rookies: Estel's JumpClone service is up there with EvE University and Red vs Blue as one of the really outstanding player initiatives in EvE.
I stand by my claim though, despite it being hard (impossible /lol) to prove. Rookies (meaning *first-time* low-SP players) will meet far more gankers, scammers, and liars than they will meet friendly and helpful high-SP players. Despite what some have tried to read into my comments, I don't see this as a bad thing about EvE. You just have to learn early that you *always* have to watch your back.
Experienced players: collectively you're the reason EvE is like this. Don't blame the messenger - change yourselves.
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Tason Hyena
Minmatar
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.01.16 19:23:00 -
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I have about 3 months experience, and I haven't been lured out to be ganked once by betrayal. About the only problem I had was when militia members thought I was a spy since I got ****ed at them all being docked up and wasting the night not fighting, and left coming back to salvage a few days after.
It's not as bad as Elena states. Still, I wouldn't trust the OP either. You can tutor newbies in your own corp, or offer advice in chat. The whole "1 on 1" thing raises warning bells for me.
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Merouk Baas
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.01.16 19:37:00 -
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If you're gonna help, just help; all you have to do is share your knowledge here and / or in the newbie corp channel - there are definitely plenty of questions to be answered in both places.
You're inviting people 'under your wing' to give them 'private lessons' - that's a lot less efficient than just answering threads and questions a few times a day. And a lot more suspicious.
Which is why I think you're being trolled.
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Onyth
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Posted - 2010.01.16 23:34:00 -
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I would disagree with the 2 previous posters, having a 1 on 1 mentor doesn't mean you need to follow him into low or .0 sec, and it can be a LOT more helpful too, the differance can be easily made with an example out of real life, compare private lessons in just about anything to group lessons.
The reason those private lessons are there is because you learn a LOT more (not to mention faster) in them, because your mentor is buisy solely with YOU, he knows what you can, what you need to improve on, and doesn't have a ton of other people to look after all at the same time.
Sure, you can ask your questions in a public thread, or in a help channel, but that means you'll have to wait for a random stranger to help you out. Also I find that in a secluded environment you'll be much more 'encouraged' to ask questions of wich you might think they're stupid, but still would like to know the answer to.
And sure.... There ARE people who will post this and then gank them.... But seriously, how sad can you be as a pvp'r to score kills in such a low low low and despicable way. Most of them aren't likely to be smart enough to even find the forums, let alone make a post and reply to accusations in a normal maner. They're more likely to try gank people in low/.0 and fail at it.
Anyway thumbs up for the OP for willing to share his experiances with new peeps.
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Scout Ops
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.01.16 23:42:00 -
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I fully endorse this product/service
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Tason Hyena
Minmatar
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.01.17 01:24:00 -
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A little research in-game shows this character is a 14-day old player in a Caldari NPC corp. More warning bells. I can understand the whole forum alt game, but the trap level keeps rising.
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yfz3r0
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.01.17 04:26:00 -
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This is correct. yfz3r0 is my new main character that I have started since leaving the game over a year ago. I can have people vouch for my legitimacy.
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Lefevre
Caldari
Endgame.
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Posted - 2010.01.17 04:27:00 -
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I can vouch that this is not a scam...
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Chode Rizoum
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C4w3
Minmatar
Blackwater USA Inc.
Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.01.17 04:53:00 -
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Standup guy with a heart of gold.
ANGRY INTERNET GAMING MOBS IRL are bad MKAY!
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Tason Hyena
Minmatar
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.01.17 05:02:00 -
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I talked with this guy in game, so I'm not going to press the trap issue anymore. He seems like a nice guy, and its really nothing personal. In any other game I'd reccommend him and give him a thumbs up for helping, but this is EVE.
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Korthan
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.01.17 05:04:00 -
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I can vouch for this guy and say that he is indeed trustworthy. If he turns out to be a doucher and backstabs said new player, then he'll just get black listed, etc...
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Recusor
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.01.17 05:04:00 -
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May not mean much coming from a pirate, but this guy knows what hes talking about. Dont be afraid to ask for help from him, stand up guy. Rules of EVE: Dont fly what you cant afford to lose, always learn from your losses, and make sure you meet people along the way ;)
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Eden Escrow
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Posted - 2010.01.17 10:25:00 -
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Edited by: Eden Escrow on 17/01/2010 10:29:39
The basic outlook that I've adopted in EVE is simply to beware everybody, since you don't know who is out to gank you so that they get their laughs, it's best to be weary of everybody around you, since you can't really pinpoint when somebody is out to do you harm. keep your wits about you and make decissions logically but if your gut tells you something isn't right about the situation, then beg off and go the other way.
We had a person join our corp recently, he sounded like the perfect candidate for our corp and his interview went over great.
Next thing we know he asks if he can help a couple of our members who are out mining to help them transport their goods, after shifting all ore to a station the two members agree. The new recruit shows up and promptly says something to the effect of "Hey guys, let's see how good your shields are", BLAMO, BOOM, he destroys one persons miner and then pod kills him too, then goes after the second miner (who managed to get away). So, while he seemed the perfect applicant, he really turned out to be one of those players that people will tell you exist in eve and that you might never meet in your entire EVE playing time.
And on the other hand I met a couple people that wanted to and tried to mentor me when I first arrived in EVE, and that I found were very patient to answer my questions and have me hang out with them and their corp mates, so it's really a crapshoot, sometimes you'll find somebody that is really cool, and other times you'll find the person that is the total and complete donkeys butt.
So don't be afraid (especially as a total newbie player since you have little to loose at this stage) and keep your eye on your surroundings to see what's going on. Chances are if it is a trap you'll never know it anyway, but afterwards you'll certainly know what to look for in regards to that type of trap again. I'm always amazed at the things that EVE players come up with to try to gank players, and always amazed at the amount of really helpful players that do actually exist. They're both in EVE, it's just a matter of figuring out who wants to do you harm and who wants to give you a hand up.
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Posted - 2010.01.17 10:36:00 -
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Well, we've moved from the emotional stage to something rational: personal recommendations.
The only problem is that there are hardly any EvE players you can trust automatically. Personally I know of only three - Chribba, Estel Arador, and Entity (there may be more of course).
Recommendations from strangers have no value.
Then again, we can take the "Don't trust" principle one small step further, and we find there is no need for personal recommendations, reliable or otherwise. I would have said this earlier, but my comments were meant for rookies. A mentor should not need to be told.
Lesson one from an honest mentor will explain to their mentee how to stay safe. Initially it's enough to stay in highSec, and learn about canFliping, warDec gankers, suicide ganks, and that Corp members can kill each other. And they'll make sure the rookie can perform a risk assessment on their present situation too (i.e. they'll know when their mentor could take advantage, and why they might).
Ten minutes chat at most.
And remember - this is EvE. The mentee is exactly as likely to be looking for killMail**** as the mentor.
If both understand the risks, they will find a sequence of activities that protects them both.
Mutual distrust is smart in EvE, and it does not preclude friendship.
Telling rookies they should trust other players by default is just "chat-griefing". You might as well tell them to look for L1 missions that take them into 0.4 space.
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Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.01.17 18:24:00 -
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The OP isn't gonna rip anyone off.
He's a returning long term Eve player who goes way back to 2003, and an old friend of mine in game who's looking to help rookies.
While it's sound advice to be wary of trusting people, in all honesty if someone wanted to run a rip-off scheme I'm sure they'd be looking to make way more than what he's asking.
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Merouk Baas
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.01.17 21:35:00 -
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Ah this is not free?
Strangely enough, that makes it a little bit less suspicious.
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Wilkr
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Posted - 2010.01.18 00:19:00 -
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New player here. Been playing for less than 3 weeks I think.
One thing that really bothered me is the way that everyone on the forums or wiki or youtube or anything eve-related is always telling you like 'hey, they WILL get you and you¦re gonna lose ships and be scammed and hacked blablabla'.
I understand that pirates are part of the game, more like a profession, and that just like any other game eve has scammers.
But the way that most veterans eve players deal with this is really overrated, at least in this newbie opinion.
Sometimes 30 minutes mining or salvaging is enough to replace any lost frigate, and even if the OP is scamming, is still would be worth the experience.
I mean, been completely new to the game I would pay 200k to someone to take me to 0.0 and try to kill me.
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Serge Bastana
Gallente
GWA Corp
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Posted - 2010.01.18 00:37:00 -
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When you hear people saying 'you will be scammed, you will be ganked, etc', they mean that these things will happen if you let them. If you're aware that something is likely, it's possibly that you're more on your guard and less likely to let such things happen.
Not always the case, but those that at least take heed stand a better chance of avoiding the scam, gank, etc.
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yfz3r0
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.01.18 06:25:00 -
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To correct Verone, no I am not asking for anything. Honestly I just enjoy helping people and want to give a little back to the community that has given me so much. Another thing is that I am not in need of any ISK and frankly, I dont have a problem getting kills in the game to the point where I would want to scam new players out of what little ISK they have and populate some killboard with Tech 1 frigate kills.
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