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Cista2
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Posted - 2010.01.16 11:48:00 -
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I have several crazy ideas for how I wish to spend my isk in the future.
One is to start collecting / trading BPOs of ships and t2 mods. Right now I am just trying to build some sort of knowledge-base. I realise that there's no such thing as standardised prices.
It seems to me that most of these are sold on the sell forum. My questions are:
1) Can t2 bpos be sold on the ordinary market (buy/sell orders)?
2) How often are t2 bpos sold solely through the ingame contract ssytem (without a forum post)?
3) As I have never used the contract system much, is there a way for me to sort the open contracts so I for instance only see BPOs, or only see t2 blueprints?
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Akita T
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Posted - 2010.01.16 12:29:00 -
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 Originally by: Cista2
1) Can t2 bpos be sold on the ordinary market (buy/sell orders)?
Only if they were never used in any way, shape or form and are therefore still "packaged".
Even opening a quote window on a manufacture job can unpackage a blueprint (or, at least, it could, in the past), so chances are extremely slim you will find any T2 BPOs that can be sold on the market.
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2) How often are t2 bpos sold solely through the ingame contract ssytem (without a forum post)?
You're asking the impossible-to-know. Somebody should have specifically watched the contracts system constantly for a long period of time while also checking the forums for the corresponding sales threads... and even then, already unlikely as that is, you'd only get the time period they were watching.
You might as well pick an arbitrary percentage between 0% and 50% and call it an answer.
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3) As I have never used the contract system much, is there a way for me to sort the open contracts so I for instance only see BPOs, or only see t2 blueprints?
Show more options -> set minimum contract price to something any T2 BPO could be offered for (100 mil would be too little, IMO, 1 bil could skip some junk T2 BPOs).
Then, at "item category", select blueprint, and search, then maybe sort by price, highest on top.
Problem is, you'll get ALL blueprints above that price, be it T1 BPOs, T2 BPOs or any BPCs... so you must be careful and view each individual contract.
Near the very top you'll probably find a lot of supercap BPCs, occasionally also some junk asking price offer where the seller put in too many zeroes on something else or whatnot.
At the time of this post, if you would say that there's only an offer for a T2 stripminer BPO 50ME/50PE at 20 bil ISK in Jita, and that's about it for noteworthy BPOs... you'd be mistaken... because on the NEXT page (yes, even if you sorted by price, that's the sort of only the displayed ones) you'll get to see an invul field II BPO for 40 bil ISK, _and_ a weak scam attempt with a invul field II BPC at the exact same price, also a Mega Beam Laser II blueprint at 22 bil ISK.
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Cista2
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Posted - 2010.01.16 12:33:00 -
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Alrighty!
My question 2 could also be rephrased as:
If you were to sell a T2 BPO, would you use the sell forum, put up a contract, or both?
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Akita T
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.01.16 12:37:00 -
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You'd normally want to start with a forum thread to at least estimate interest, THEN put up a contract while still keeping the thread alive.
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Cista2
Jita Direct Sale
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Posted - 2010.01.16 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Show more options -> set minimum contract price to something any T2 BPO could be offered for (100 mil would be too little, IMO, 1 bil could skip some junk T2 BPOs).
Then, at "item category", select blueprint, and search, then maybe sort by price, highest on top.
Thanks!
And hold on, it looks like in "Description" you can just type "II" and that takes care of it. I'll try some further experimenting.
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SetrakDark
Caldari
DarkCorp Technology and Finance
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Posted - 2010.01.16 13:24:00 -
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Definitely sell forums.
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Grendell
Technologies Unlimited
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Posted - 2010.01.16 19:36:00 -
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Cista if you want to ask anymore questions about T2 BPO's feel free to join my in-game channel "Grendell" I'll be happy to answer any of your questions if I'm around.
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Claire Voyant
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Posted - 2010.01.16 20:22:00 -
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I used to do the "search all contracts and sort by price" trick and found it an easy way to see lots and lots of T2 BPOs for sale and much easier to use than the sale forums. Don't know if it still works as well, but they were mostly T2 ammo and a few modules. When you sell really expensive items like prime T2 BPOs, the tax and fees on public contracts becomes prohibitive (and other associated costs like tying up the BPO for 2 weeks) so those you should only find on the sale forum. So in short, I think you would find it worthwhile to check both without too much extra effort.
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Don Pellegrino
Helljumpers
Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.01.17 05:33:00 -
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The tax to set up a public contract for a T2 BPO is prohibitive.
The contract lasts 14 days and then you have to pay again.
Finally, there's so many different T2 items that you would have to be EXTREMELY lucky for someone to look at your BPO, have enough money and to decide to buy it. It just won't happen, so people use the forums, then set up a private contract (no tax).
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Cista2
Jita Direct Sale
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Posted - 2010.01.17 07:20:00 -
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Originally by: Don Pellegrino
The tax to set up a public contract for a T2 BPO is prohibitive.
The contract lasts 14 days and then you have to pay again.
Finally, there's so many different T2 items that you would have to be EXTREMELY lucky for someone to look at your BPO, have enough money and to decide to buy it. It just won't happen, so people use the forums, then set up a private contract (no tax).
Thanks everybody for the advice.
I am blasting through the Sell Forum history now, assembling a price information database.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.01.17 12:03:00 -
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If I were you, I'd setup a forum ad and then use a 3rd party to insure the "swap" is done in a fair way. I.e. without those quick-handed changes in the trade window and similar, expecially if you are new to those tricks.
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Posted - 2010.01.18 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
If I were you, I'd setup a forum ad and then use a 3rd party to insure the "swap" is done in a fair way. I.e. without those quick-handed changes in the trade window and similar, expecially if you are new to those tricks.
Are you saying private contracts are not good for trading BPO's? Not only you have to pay a third party to handle the deal, you also have to trust him the BPO. Tell me what's wrong/complicated about using private contract?
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Jinx Barker
Caldari
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2010.01.18 03:36:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
If I were you, I'd setup a forum ad and then use a 3rd party to insure the "swap" is done in a fair way. I.e. without those quick-handed changes in the trade window and similar, expecially if you are new to those tricks.
LOL.... as the other guy pointed out - what is wrong with a private escrow exchange? Why the hell would anyone use a 3d party for anything other than Super Caps?
to the OP:
Do you research - be careful with your ISK.
Remember that T2 BPOs are rare, and many will warrant a price accordingly.
Take into account profitability, game time, your plans for the future in EVE when buying a T2 BPO, this is a long term haul.
Remember that INVENTION dictates the T2 price at this point, T2 BPOs are no longer ISK printing machine - moons are... 
And good luck, you will need it, if you ever want to snag a good T2 BPO, well, that and whole s***t load of ISK.
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Abdul Halim
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Posted - 2010.01.18 07:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jinx Barker
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
If I were you, I'd setup a forum ad and then use a 3rd party to insure the "swap" is done in a fair way. I.e. without those quick-handed changes in the trade window and similar, expecially if you are new to those tricks.
LOL.... as the other guy pointed out - what is wrong with a private escrow exchange? Why the hell would anyone use a 3d party for anything other than Super Caps?
Vaerah Vahrokha is a known scammer, so I think the answer to your question is obvious.
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Cista2
Jita Direct Sale
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Posted - 2010.01.18 09:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jinx Barker
Remember that INVENTION dictates the T2 price at this point, T2 BPOs are no longer ISK printing machine - moons are...
Can others comment on this - will we see a downward trend in prices of T2 BPOs?
Also, total silly noob question: how do you safest transport a valuable BPO? Anonymous shuttle?
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Nouva MacGyver
Caldari
MacGyver Communications
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Posted - 2010.01.18 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: Abdul Halim
Vaerah Vahrokha is a known scammer, so I think the answer to your question is obvious.
If you must make an accusatory statement and bring someone's character into question, then be so kind as to, at the very least, provide some tangible proof to go along with it.
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Mme Pinkerton
Eschaton Industries
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Posted - 2010.01.18 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: Cista2
Also, total silly noob question: how do you safest transport a valuable BPO? Anonymous shuttle?
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.01.18 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Cista2
Also, total silly noob question: how do you safest transport a valuable BPO? Anonymous shuttle?
I would suggest a basic, low-status cruiser with lots of mods to help align fast. I have been nearly destroyed a number of times in a shuttle or frigate by being a) accidentally targeted on undocking (once); b) caught in the periphery of a bomb explosion aimed at ganking someone else (a few times). I have also been one shot bombed in a destroyer. A crap cruiser could easily survive all these situations and is anonymous enough not to become a target itself. I've never moved a T2 BPO, but this comes from having moved other low volume, high value items, such as collections of battlsehip BPOs. Also, following Kwint's advice, fill the hold with loads of small stacks of crap T1 modules.
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Cista2
Jita Direct Sale
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Posted - 2010.01.18 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: RAW23
Also, following Kwint's advice, fill the hold with loads of small stacks of crap T1 modules.
Lol, good one.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2010.01.18 12:06:00 -
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3 guaranteed options for avoiding cargo scans:
Put the BPO in a container, then put the container in a courier contract. The BPO will not show up on cargo scans (make the contract out on behalf of your corp, privately, issued to yourself).
Alternatively, use the corp hangar of an orca (also immune to scans, quite gank-resistant).
Silly option: place the BPO inside a POS lab and start a research job on it. Empty everything else out of the lab, then offline, unanchor and scoop the lab. Haul the lab as you normally would, and repackage it to get the BPO out. The BPO won't show on cargo scans.
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Jinx Barker
Caldari
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2010.01.18 12:30:00 -
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Edited by: Jinx Barker on 18/01/2010 12:34:31
Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
Silly option: place the BPO inside a POS lab and start a research job on it. Empty everything else out of the lab, then offline, unanchor and scoop the lab. Haul the lab as you normally would, and repackage it to get the BPO out. The BPO won't show on cargo scans.
I thought it was impossible to unanchor a lab with stuff still inside...
Originally by: Cista2
Originally by: Jinx Barker
Remember that INVENTION dictates the T2 price at this point, T2 BPOs are no longer ISK printing machine - moons are...
Can others comment on this - will we see a downward trend in prices of T2 BPOs?
Also, total silly noob question: how do you safest transport a valuable BPO? Anonymous shuttle?
1) I would not bet any ISK on a "downward" trent for any T2 BPOs, and especially not the ones which make ISK...
2) A heavily tanked Command Ship is all you need to transport a T2 BPO, I have done many, many times. Be smart, be aware of your surroundings, do not tell anyone of your plans to transport. Also choose a right time to transport, like immediately following server startup, people just acclimating to the new conditions and you just zip by with your Warp To Zero, and tanked command - no one will really pay any attention.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2010.01.18 15:56:00 -
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While the BPO is being researched, it is not an item with a location - it isn't taking up space in the lab, or anywhere else (this principle is also useful for moving compressed ore in a Rorqual). The server checks for items inside the lab before allowing unanchoring and auto-cancelling the research job.
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Shikagi Sitami
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Posted - 2010.01.18 18:32:00 -
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Moving a T2 BPO can be accomplished in relative safety even with a slow, poorly tanked hauler (though toughening up any transporting ship is advisable)... just throw a few dozen, or hundred, invented copies of the same BPO into your cargo.
I bought a Manticore BPO long ago and needed to move it 30 jumps to a new base through highsec but I also had over 40 BPCs from invention for that same ship. I moved them all at once and got scanned five times while en-route but no shot was ever fired despite a distressingly large fleet amassed on the Niarja/Kaap gate. Even they gave me a scan and let me continue unmolested.
This was accomplished with a sigil using inertia stabs. It does not give the fleet much time to respond unless they scan you 3 or 4 jumps away.
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SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2010.01.18 18:47:00 -
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You could also move any high priced BPOs in an Orca's Corporate Hanger.. I mean isn't that one of the reasons So many orca's get sold but we hardly see them out in belts lol.
Fleets should start killing Orca's that aren't carrying anything because they are probably transporting Titan BPOs.
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Posted - 2010.01.19 08:34:00 -
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just another hint to not getting ganked, dont autopilot. autopilot accounts for a ton of people getting ganked easy. also, you can use a cov-ops ship, or a blockade runner since u can fly cloaked. also, not many people try and kill cruisers/battle cruisers, unless they are of course auto piloting.
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