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Andrea Griffin	Posted - 2010.01.17 21:06:00 - [1] Hello everyone, I have heard mentions now and again of people doing solo work with a rocket crow. Is this still viable after The Nano Nerf? Would anyone be willing to share some fittings, experiences, tactics? I imagine that it would be dual-prop with a scram and a light armor tank. Thanks!
AmarrVictor	Posted - 2010.01.17 21:23:00 - [2] rocket crows sucked before and suck now. Crows suck even more after the nano nerf.
Stuart Price Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2010.01.17 22:08:00 - [3] Best I can see - still crap until they 'fix' rockets: 3 x 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I 1 x Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I 1 x Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thruster 1 x Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I 1 x Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction 1 x MAPC I 1 x Pseudoelectron Containment Field I 1 x BCS II 1 x Small ACR I 1 x Small CDFE I The speed and EHP aren't bad, but the weapon system is terrible and it's a seriously tight fit compared to the short-range versions of other combat inties. It also has crap agility for a 'ceptor :( Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate'
Ammy Azimuth	Posted - 2010.01.17 22:17:00 - [4] It's not viable till rocket's are changed. But you always need them webbed and scrammed, so you gotta plate up instead of shield up. [Crow, New Setup 5] Damage Control II 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I You can replace to neuts instead of the autocannon but yea. Try to kite with the thing, but its kinda slow.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.01.17 23:04:00 - [5] It might have been more interesting if it had room for a web, and rockets did not suck. Imo, Mael is far better tehn Crow, and mael alsos boosts all damage typs and is possible to fit. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Andrea Griffin	Posted - 2010.01.18 00:56:00 - [6] Thanks for your input, everyone. I was hoping to try something a little different, but it seems that I would just have some expensive losses on my hands. Seems like a rifter would be almost as capable at controlling range, and have better tank and damage too. At such close range I'll get Kentucky Fried Crow, and that is sad. I might try it anyways for fun, though. Rocket crow lossmail coming to a killboard near you!
Faffywaffy	Posted - 2010.01.18 07:37:00 - [7] Rocket crows suck. Never fly a rocket crow. It's a wreck waiting to happen.
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis THE SPACE P0LICE	Posted - 2010.01.18 09:36:00 - [8] You need to web things if you want to remotely deal damage with rockets, so shield buffer won't work. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Proxyyyy Caldari The Tuskers	Posted - 2010.01.18 14:47:00 - [9] The rocket crow was realy out there pre nano nerf! It was basicaly a (malediction) with a armor repair and you would attempt to kite ships like the ranis or tank the crusader long enough to kill it. You can still do a rocket crow but with certain changes to the old fit which im not realy into tryna eft again cause i have never tried the newer versions. Anyways like anything else you should just go out and do it! Instead of coming here to hear more chat about what you cant do and ships/fits others talk about but have never flown or tried... What i do intend to try is this fit or something close to it; 150/dps 3854m/sec [Crow, Blasta!] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Small Armor Repairer II Damage Control II 1MN MicroWarpdrive I Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket Small Hybrid Burst Aerator II Small Ancillary Current Router I
Fiben Bolger Gallente	Posted - 2010.01.19 03:18:00 - [10] Originally by: Faffywaffy Rocket crows suck. Never fly a rocket crow. It's a wreck waiting to happen. This guy has done a lot of killing in a rocket crow.

Torpir Lee Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2010.01.19 04:35:00 - [11] Edited by: Torpir Lee on 19/01/2010 04:37:16 The only advantage you get with a Rocket Crow over a SML Crow is the ease of fittings. With more PG and CPU, you can get a better tank on, and that can be very helpful if you've got a target tackled at a belt waiting for reinforcements or something. [Crow, Sturdy Tackle] Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Overdrive Injector System II Warp Disruptor II Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Medium Shield Extender II Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket [empty high slot] Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Small Auxiliary Thrusters I
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.01.19 07:14:00 - [12] Originally by: Torpir Lee Edited by: Torpir Lee on 19/01/2010 04:37:16 The only advantage you get with a Rocket Crow over a SML Crow is the ease of fittings. With more PG and CPU, you can get a better tank on, and that can be very helpful if you've got a target tackled at a belt waiting for reinforcements or something. [Crow, Sturdy Tackle] Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Overdrive Injector System II Warp Disruptor II Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Medium Shield Extender II Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket [empty high slot] Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Small Auxiliary Thrusters I I'd actually say you'd be better off with missile range rigs for that one - that way at least you get to use some more of your warp disruptor range, which in turn increases your life expectancy.
Marko Riva Adamant Inc.	Posted - 2010.01.19 08:08:00 - [13] Yeah, IF using a rocket crow use range rigs. The problem these days it that you can't outrun light drones anymore, not really. Combine that with the fact that rocket explosion velocity is almost the same as a heavy missile, ie it sucks. So killing drones is going to be an "issue". ----------- I think, therefore I'm single. New projectile damage PDF Alliance creation service
Marlona Sky D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2010.01.19 08:15:00 - [14] 1. Train up Gallente frigate 5 2. Train up Small Blaster Specialization 5 3. Rename Taranis to 'Crow' 4. ????? 5. Profit!!!
Duchess Starbuckington	Posted - 2010.01.19 10:17:00 - [15] Originally by: Marlona Sky 1. Train up Gallente frigate 5 2. Train up Small Blaster Specialization 5 3. Rename Taranis to 'Crow' 4. ????? 5. Profit!!! Pretty much this. _________________________________
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2010.01.19 11:10:00 - [16] A while ago, having read Faffywaffy's stuff, I tried Rocket Crow on Sisi. Initially, I was impressed. I killed several blaster-Taranii, being able to web and scramble them and remain outside blaster range. But after that things went bad. Dual-prop Taranis was able to close range on overheated AB and get within blaster range. Rail Taranis didn't care about range at all, nor did Crusader; they had better DPS and could apply it more easily. The rocket Crow requires a web, so there's no room for a shield buffer, you have to fit a plate on, gimping mobility. Crow has a 50% bonus to rocket damage, but even with that, kinetic DPS is unremarkable, relative to rail Taranis and Crusader, and the Crow certainly isn't strong in EHP. I looked at rocket Malediction, and saw even worse DPS without a commensurate increase in EHP. Ultimately I decided that the success of the rocket Crow was down to skill points, manual piloting and the surprise factor of meeting a rocket Crow, rather than any particular strength of the Crow or roflkets.
Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.01.19 11:47:00 - [17] Originally by: AmarrVictor rocket crows sucked before and suck now. Crows suck even more after the nano nerf. actually there was a time when rocket plated crows were viable. but this was a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time ago --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Proxyyyy Caldari The Tuskers	Posted - 2010.01.19 13:48:00 - [18] This is the old skool fit! I substituted the pulse laser's for ac's because i hate lasers... 131/dps 3854m/sec Your dps problem was because you did not fit damage rigs. Also your targets are all ceptors except the ranis unless your bored! [Crow, Rock n rolla!] Internal Force Field Array I Small Armor Repairer II Ballistic Control System II Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rocket 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S Small Bay Loading Accelerator I Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I The only plated crow i have ever seen work was this thing! [Crow, Fat ass!!!] 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Damage Control II 1MN MicroWarpdrive I Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Bay Loading Accelerator I
Andrea Griffin	Posted - 2010.01.19 15:36:00 - [19] Edited by: Andrea Griffin on 19/01/2010 15:42:01 A big, grateful nod to Proxyyyy. You're always helpful and awesome (and whenever I see you, I run, because I know I'll get my butt kicked). More thanks to Gypsio, your post was very informative.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2010.01.19 17:19:00 - [20] I've just been looking through Faffy's combat records, looking specifically for rocket Crow vs. other interceptor 1v1s. What really struck me was that many of his victims didn't fit any sort of tank at all. I don't know much about interceptor combat but given the vulnerability of interceptors to missiles and drones, I would consider at least a DC to be compulsory. A lot of his victims were Stilettos (tackle ceptor with poor DPS) and untanked SML Crows (no tank, poor DPS). The odd single-prop blaster Taranis and autoClaw as well, but their loss to a web-scrambler rocket Crow capable of hanging at ~8 km is predictable. Let me see how well a Crusader tracks a Crow orbiting close in...

Intigo Amarr Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.01.19 17:22:00 - [21] Edited by: Intigo on 19/01/2010 17:23:29 Originally by: Gypsio III I've just been looking through Faffy's combat records, looking specifically for rocket Crow vs. other interceptor 1v1s. What really struck me was that many of his victims didn't fit any sort of tank at all. I don't know much about interceptor combat but given the vulnerability of interceptors to missiles and drones, I would consider at least a DC to be compulsory. A lot of his victims were Stilettos (tackle ceptor with poor DPS) and untanked SML Crows (no tank, poor DPS). The odd single-prop blaster Taranis and autoClaw as well, but their loss to a web-scrambler rocket Crow capable of hanging at ~8 km is predictable. Let me see how well a Crusader tracks a Crow orbiting close in... People who think the rocket Crow is good are people who think killing tackler Inties is impressive. Put it against any competent Taranis or Crusader pilot and it's dead. EOD. Rocket Crow is just a slightly worse Crow. It's still terrible no matter what you say. Edit: I was saying in general, I know you are not recommending it. Edited to clarify. :p ___________________ HELLO! My name is Inigo Mont...oh f' it.
Sprilk	Posted - 2010.01.19 19:22:00 - [22] Rockets are in bad shape, generaly in actual combat (none eft hard numbers) light missiles do the same damage. This means that 9/10 times you are better of in a light missile crow shooting at range because you would never be able to beat a crusader or taranis at close range. Sure the rocket crow is flyable, and can get kills. Unfortunatly its just not that good at it, until rockets get some kind of overhaul i dont see a use for a rocket crow other then if you like flying it (eve is about fun). If you are looking for a top notch close range ceptor then go somewhere else imo. If only the crow had the disruptor range bonus instead of the raptor it would be fantastic.
Faffywaffy	Posted - 2010.01.19 21:37:00 - [23] Every ship and fit has a counter. Yes, a dual-prop or rail Taranis and a well-fit Crusader will usually beat a rocket Crow. But neither of those is invincible either. That doesn't make them bad. A rocket Crow is significantly better than a missile Crow, and the surprise factor is huge. Also, w.r.t. Rocket Crow vs. Crusader - the reason the Crow will usually lose is because it has 0% native EM resists (which maddens me) and thus too weak a tank to get to the 500m orbit where the Crusader will be doing significantly reduced damage. The rocket Malediction, for example, has no such problem and does very bad things to Crusaders. Only the Caldari interceptors have a 0% resist hole on their main tank.
Sig Sour	Posted - 2010.01.19 21:44:00 - [24] The Raptor would do better in this situation I would think. Honestly I love the crow for being able to keep the distance it does. Taking it in for a close range combat is losing the advantage of what does does well. Also listen to Faffy, he knows his interceptors.
Stuart Price Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2010.01.19 22:29:00 - [25] Originally by: Faffywaffy Also, w.r.t. Rocket Crow vs. Crusader - the reason the Crow will usually lose is because it has 0% native EM resists (which maddens me) and thus too weak a tank to get to the 500m orbit where the Crusader will be doing significantly reduced damage. The rocket Malediction, for example, has no such problem and does very bad things to Crusaders. Only the Caldari interceptors have a 0% resist hole on their main tank. My crusader does 171dps at 9km, if they somehow live long enough to within MF range, that becomes 215, with .53 tracking, with which I have no trouble out-fighting dual-prop 'ranises. I simply cannot see a Crow or Malediction standing a chance in a straight up fight. If they pack a NEUT on the other hand, everything changes. Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate'
Faffywaffy	Posted - 2010.01.19 22:54:00 - [26] Originally by: Stuart Price Originally by: Faffywaffy Also, w.r.t. Rocket Crow vs. Crusader - the reason the Crow will usually lose is because it has 0% native EM resists (which maddens me) and thus too weak a tank to get to the 500m orbit where the Crusader will be doing significantly reduced damage. The rocket Malediction, for example, has no such problem and does very bad things to Crusaders. Only the Caldari interceptors have a 0% resist hole on their main tank. My crusader does 171dps at 9km, if they somehow live long enough to within MF range, that becomes 215, with .53 tracking, with which I have no trouble out-fighting dual-prop 'ranises. I simply cannot see a Crow or Malediction standing a chance in a straight up fight. If they pack a NEUT on the other hand, everything changes. So, you're moving at about 250m/s, while the malediction is orbiting you at 500m at 600m/s. Angular velocity will (almost?) always be above your tracking, so you will be doing less than half your DPS. Malediction can tank (overheated) over 80dps against MF while itself dealing over 90dps (can get up to 140 with some faction-fittings). Who's going to win that fight?
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2010.01.19 23:22:00 - [27] You cant outtrack tracking bonused pulses without AB+WEB /+ scram/ in reality /in eft its prolly possible/, and since you have only 3 meds... And true, small neut is very dangerous to sader.
Proxyyyy Caldari The Tuskers	Posted - 2010.01.20 00:40:00 - [28] Originally by: Stuart Price Originally by: Faffywaffy Also, w.r.t. Rocket Crow vs. Crusader - the reason the Crow will usually lose is because it has 0% native EM resists (which maddens me) and thus too weak a tank to get to the 500m orbit where the Crusader will be doing significantly reduced damage. The rocket Malediction, for example, has no such problem and does very bad things to Crusaders. Only the Caldari interceptors have a 0% resist hole on their main tank. My crusader does 171dps at 9km, if they somehow live long enough to within MF range, that becomes 215, with .53 tracking, with which I have no trouble out-fighting dual-prop 'ranises. I simply cannot see a Crow or Malediction standing a chance in a straight up fight. If they pack a NEUT on the other hand, everything changes. If your sader has no tank no dc i highly doubt it! But then again this is all talk and speculation. Mind you i have never flown a crusader, but i do know alot of great pilots who do fly them and ive sploded them in pretty gimp ships. But your right that the mal and crow cant tank you forever and if they cant put down enough dps to kill you quick enough they will most likely lose! Active tanked saders can kill ranis's taht dont have a repper atleast. The sader has been called gimped by many good pilots after the scram changes which im not sure is the case. Anyways it may not be able to kill your sader fit but im sure about the many more bad pilots that are in game that all the goods ones farm! People talk alot about "if you faced a compotent pilot" but you will almost never meet one and infact good pilots are a minority in eve. So im sure the rocket crow/mal can win alot of fights, maybe not against your crusader fit but against the many more zero tanked ceptors. 07 Mr Stuart Price
Stuart Price Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2010.01.20 01:50:00 - [29] Originally by: Proxyyyy If your sader has no tank no dc i highly doubt it! But then again this is all talk and speculation. Mind you i have never flown a crusader, but i do know alot of great pilots who do fly them and ive sploded them in pretty gimp ships. But your right that the mal and crow cant tank you forever and if they cant put down enough dps to kill you quick enough they will most likely lose! Active tanked saders can kill ranis's taht dont have a repper atleast. The sader has been called gimped by many good pilots after the scram changes which im not sure is the case. Anyways it may not be able to kill your sader fit but im sure about the many more bad pilots that are in game that all the goods ones farm! People talk alot about "if you faced a compotent pilot" but you will almost never meet one and infact good pilots are a minority in eve. So im sure the rocket crow/mal can win alot of fights, maybe not against your crusader fit but against the many more zero tanked ceptors. 07 Mr Stuart Price This is actually an important point - most 'ceptor pilots are, to put it bluntly, terrible. I'm genuinely amazed by those who don't overload their mods nearly all the time for a start. Those who really are good can make a sub-optimal ship or setup look far better than it is. In my defence, being able to fly every 'ceptor with near max skills (save one or two nav/weapon spec skills) gives me a good basis for comparison. I've been flying 'ceptors since they first came out and am STILL learning new things on a regular basis. And for the record, my current 'sader fit is indeed tanked (repper and DC) and in fact has more EHP than standard Taranis fits. I won't say you can't do well in a rocket-crow, but my experience is that you could do the same thing better in one of the other combat 'ceptors and that it suffers more against good piloting. I do miss the old 18km+ locus-sader's, but you can still make that setup work as well. The scram changes made the 'sader BETTER. o7 Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate'
Gladys Pank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.01.20 03:38:00 - [30] Edited by: Gladys Pank on 20/01/2010 03:41:01 No mention of Evil Edna losing 1.5b++ Crows to Isk farmers? There was an absurd logic to flying a pimped out nano crow way back when but nowadays? I honestly don't know why people fly Crows in this day and age. ~ Soar Like a Penguin



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