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Brian Murphy	Posted - 2010.01.21 18:23:00 - [1] Edited by: Brian Murphy on 21/01/2010 18:23:47 I have been considering using the contract system for finding deals on blue print copies for use in invention. I have been doing my research and I have not been able to find copies for certain things which I have found can make isk. The problems seems to be that blue print copiers do not know that there is a demand for certain things, so not every bpo gets copied, only the popular bpos get copied. I wanted to specialize on only doing invention but it seems like due to the lack of proper copies I would be forced to do something I am not particularly good at. The blue print copy industry has certain barriers which forces someone like me to enter. The blue print copy industry is mainly formed by corps in alliances in high sec which setup large towers which are nearly impossible to kill. Someone in my position cannot do this due to lack of standing, and a lack of willpower to raise my standing that high. For this very reason I would take extra costs in setting up my own towers which would be at risk of being destroyed. People in these alliances are also made up by dozens of specialized characters for researching blue prints and copying them. Even if I setup my own towers I would not have the adequate characters to employ all slots that a tower would provide me with. These alliances are by far better than me at creating copies so it would be in my best interests to try to contact them to produce copies for me at a lower cost. In eve it seems that it would be in my best interests to keep information to myself. I'm sure most people know what you do not freely tell people about your trade routes, because if you do, your profits will plummet. So I am worried that if I contract an alliance to produce copies which I will use in invention I will be basically telling that that these items are profitable. Telling them its profitable may lead them to doing their own invention which will reduce my profits. I fear that I will be forced to setup my own towers and incur costs in setting up a tower for research unless I can anonymously buy copies on contracts. I'm sure I am not the only person who wonders about this, does this make the research industry a rather inefficient industry because people who would not otherwise setup research facilities do it anyways?
Phunket	Posted - 2010.01.21 18:59:00 - [2] Originally by: Brian Murphy Edited by: Brian Murphy on 21/01/2010 18:23:47 I have been considering using the contract system for finding deals on blue print copies for use in invention. I have been doing my research and I have not been able to find copies for certain things which I have found can make isk. The problems seems to be that blue print copiers do not know that there is a demand for certain things, so not every bpo gets copied, only the popular bpos get copied. I wanted to specialize on only doing invention but it seems like due to the lack of proper copies I would be forced to do something I am not particularly good at. The blue print copy industry has certain barriers which forces someone like me to enter. The blue print copy industry is mainly formed by corps in alliances in high sec which setup large towers which are nearly impossible to kill. Someone in my position cannot do this due to lack of standing, and a lack of willpower to raise my standing that high. For this very reason I would take extra costs in setting up my own towers which would be at risk of being destroyed. People in these alliances are also made up by dozens of specialized characters for researching blue prints and copying them. Even if I setup my own towers I would not have the adequate characters to employ all slots that a tower would provide me with. These alliances are by far better than me at creating copies so it would be in my best interests to try to contact them to produce copies for me at a lower cost. In eve it seems that it would be in my best interests to keep information to myself. I'm sure most people know what you do not freely tell people about your trade routes, because if you do, your profits will plummet. So I am worried that if I contract an alliance to produce copies which I will use in invention I will be basically telling that that these items are profitable. Telling them its profitable may lead them to doing their own invention which will reduce my profits. I fear that I will be forced to setup my own towers and incur costs in setting up a tower for research unless I can anonymously buy copies on contracts. I'm sure I am not the only person who wonders about this, does this make the research industry a rather inefficient industry because people who would not otherwise setup research facilities do it anyways? Hmm. well for ones as you probably already aware towers do not produce any slots for you, mobile labs do. So in short set up only as much labs as you can use. In order for your PoS to get attacked, it must it worth while for attacker to do so especially if you thinking of setting up in a secure space. (if someone says they do it for kicks i admire their resilience) You can always have your corp standings raised for a fee by someone else in order to set up the tower if you as you say dont have adequate standings. As you mentioned you can always ask a corp to research a BO for you or if you dont want to do that ask corporation to rent you out a research/invention slot in their PoS. And last but not least you can always put out a buy order for BPC that you need and if someone is interested enough they will do that job for you. And to answer your question i dont think it makes it less iffecient in any way. Afterall its all about making iskies in the process and things that make the most will be the ones worked on. If you planning on researching and inventing be ready to put some time into it since otherwise your options will be pretty much limited (in terms of research and invention).. Hope that helps
Lord Arbalest Amarr Zero Profits	Posted - 2010.01.21 19:06:00 - [3] I do agree that with all business opportunities there needs to be a degree of protectionism over your 'great new profit making idea', however I do believe that there is a line to this form of defence. In this case, I am almost sure that that by you moving into invention and creating an item that there is no one else out there doing this. You will have competitors, most likely allot of competitors. Yes, technically the BPC shops could look into why you were purchasing that sort of BPC - but, they could do that with every single person who wanted a BPC and I am sure if they wanted to get into invention they would not find it 'hard' with a little market research to compete at a very high level. You are being too paranoid. Find a large BPC shop, request what you want. It will be fine. Take the risk if you want to profit.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.01.21 20:07:00 - [4] Quote: I fear You keep repeating this, like it's your mantra. You won't get far with this attitude. Now, do your homeworks and you'll discover you can start with a small tower and slowly grow to a power to be. - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
skurv	Posted - 2010.01.21 22:26:00 - [5] Originally by: Lord Arbalest Take the risk if you want to profit. This couldn't be more true. It's fairly cheap/easy to get a standings alt corp and anchor yourself a small tower. train the corp holder up to be able to run the copy jobs (science 5, lab op 5, adv lab op 3, and scientific networking 1 at least... take a couple weeks max), rent an office in the system you choose to setup in, and it'll be relatively cheap for you to supply yourself with as many copies as you need with minimal risk. Else, you could just find the large BPC shop as lord abalest suggested, and pay a little more for less effort. Towers are rarely agressed in highsec even during wars. --Skurv
Clair Bear Ursine Research and Production	Posted - 2010.01.22 06:50:00 - [6] It's been nearly a year and my 9 alt invention enterprise is functioning completely POS-free. You can do it too. Get a covops or recon. Check out NPC stations in NPC 0.0 and some of the more desolate lowsec. Install a jump clone or five. Three alts can belch forth around 600 print copies every week or so -- enough to keep two other accounts very, very busy.
skurv	Posted - 2010.01.22 11:44:00 - [7] Originally by: Clair Bear It's been nearly a year and my 9 alt invention enterprise is functioning completely POS-free. You can do it too. Get a covops or recon. Check out NPC stations in NPC 0.0 and some of the more desolate lowsec. Install a jump clone or five. Three alts can belch forth around 600 print copies every week or so -- enough to keep two other accounts very, very busy. This is another very plausible option. however if you're afraid of putting a tower in highsec then you're probably more scared of getting blown up with all your BPOs in lowsec =). however if you can't afford the POS route, this is definately a plausible solution to your problem. also the idea of using Jumpclones is great for this, but the BPCs and /or raw materials / results still need to be transported so they nearly nullify themselves on whichever character is transporting them. just a thought.
Dethmourne Silvermane Gallente SRS Industries SRS.	Posted - 2010.01.22 17:01:00 - [8] I would be interested in arranging copy jobs for you, and I have zero interest in invention so it will not be an issue where I would step on your toes. Please convo me in game with more details if you are interested so we can negotiate prices. --------------------------------- Ship Purchase Program Killmail Service discontinued by request.
Brian Murphy	Posted - 2010.01.23 19:10:00 - [9] Thanks for the replies and eve mails. I have decided to setup my own pos in low sec for the time being, until my alt corporation raises it's standing. I realize it would be less work if I had gone with buying bpcs, but i'm way too paranoid. Btw is there any way to prevent GMs from looking at my invention jobs?
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.01.23 19:28:00 - [10] Originally by: Brian Murphy Btw is there any way to prevent GMs from looking at my invention jobs? Whut? Titan BPC For Sale \| Some people call me the space cowboy, yeah

SetrakDark Caldari DarkCorp Holdings	Posted - 2010.01.23 19:33:00 - [11] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Brian Murphy Btw is there any way to prevent GMs from looking at my invention jobs? Whut? Self-deprecating humour, I believe.
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation	Posted - 2010.01.24 00:30:00 - [12] I fear that you have missed the Want to Buy option when setting up a contract. I fear that you have missed the blueprints channel in trade section of chat channels. I fear that you have missed the Want Ads & Trades forum on these very boards. And finally I fear that you have fundamentally misunderstood the nature of Eve if you think you can hide anything from CCP employees. However hiding from other players just needs an alt.


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