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Taharqua10
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Posted - 2010.01.25 12:47:00 -
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As the CEO of an expanding corporation & fighting a number of simultaeonous wardecs we need all hands to the pumps-everybody fights & nobody runs.
One of my new members left the moment the wardecs started.
He then convoed me & asked if he could come back to the corp after the wardecs had finished & we had joined an alliance.
This lit my touchpaper. Whilst his previous colleagues in Eve, some of them very inexperienced were fighting & dieing we have this turd sitting in an NPC corp spouting that he did not want to loose the only ship he had which he borrowed from a friend.
So, I tried to point this out to him & even offered to buy him a new ship to come back in a fight & his response......I don't want to risk my implants.
WTF do some people expect, Eve on a plate & when the going gets a bit tougher they run away like sheep & use every game mechanic to hide from there duty- protecting their corp colleagues & the corp.
I was mad for the whole evening & told him to get the **** out of my channel & banned him from further contact. He ain't coming back in my corp that's for sure.
A lot of the noobs read the flame & where quite disgusted by this lame behaviour as we had looked after this guy & made him really welcome.
I spent, in common with my other directors, the evening with a sour taste in my mouth.
Upon reflection- have I been too harsh- what does the forum think of this behaviour?
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Lt Angus
Caldari
End Game.
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Posted - 2010.01.25 12:49:00 -
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wars are good for cleaning house of the rif raff
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drones man
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Posted - 2010.01.25 12:52:00 -
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- He has very little loyalty to the corp.
- He will probably not be an asset to the corp in a PvP situation.
- He needs to grow a pair
I think you made the right decision.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2010.01.25 12:53:00 -
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Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 25/01/2010 12:56:30
 Originally by: Taharqua10
Upon reflection- have I been too harsh- what does the forum think of this behaviour?
I guess you lacked what we call tact and tone and finesse, and your answers could maybe have been presented more delicately and nicer wrapped in. But besides that, nah, I think you did the right thing.
A note: try not to take it too personally. I know its dificult sometimes, but theres no reason having your day spoilt because of an arse or even worse: getting a heart stroke from it! 
Originally by: Dianabolic
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XenosisReaper
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Posted - 2010.01.25 12:55:00 -
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if it were me, wardec him when he joins his next corp, and then keep doing it, till he biomasses his character and quits back to wow. I'm sure he has full epic win tier paladin who bubbles up and runs.
DO IT 
fake edit - gah I hate this 5 minute lark. 
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Genya Arikaido
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Posted - 2010.01.25 13:06:00 -
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GRILL AND FRY THE CAREBEAR!!!
Originally by: CCP Tuxford
my bad.
Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Admiral Pelleon
Caldari
White Shadow Imperium
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Posted - 2010.01.25 13:08:00 -
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Good. Hopefully the next corp he joins will find out he has no spine either. A million years ago when I first started my corp, we had a member like this. First time we went on a combat op against some random mercs who had decced us he refused to join saying that losing something he paid for, no matter how inexpensive, was foolish. Immediately kicked. Occasionally I look at his corp history, now 3 years (christ I'm getting old) later, to see he hasn't stuck anywhere for more than a month or two.
Wonder why.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.01.25 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: drones man
- He has very little loyalty to the corp.
- He will probably not be an asset to the corp in a PvP situation.
- He needs to grow a pair
I think you made the right decision.
Agreed. OP's corp ditched a freeloader.
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2010.01.25 14:01:00 -
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Edited by: Marko Riva on 25/01/2010 14:03:44
Caving in after weeks of pressure and losses is one thing, running like a coward and then asking to be let back in later... What's the VALUE of having someone like that in the group? He can't be bothered to help out his fellow corp mates, he can't be bothered to put in effort and to participate. Your corp is better off without people like that, ditch him.
There's a difference between a raging dicator and someone who's genuinely angry about someone's cowardly, lackluster and self centered behaviour. Unless you went totally overboard you did well, you showed your corp members you care and that you're willing to take a stance if the wellbeing of the group requires it.
Well done.
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Steve Celeste
Caldari
Overdogs
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Posted - 2010.01.25 14:07:00 -
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So what if he stayed and lost his only ship?
Would you have replaced it mr. expanding-corp-ceo?
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Suneai
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.01.25 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Celeste
So what if he stayed and lost his only ship?
Would you have replaced it mr. expanding-corp-ceo?
Did you not read the OP?
"even offered to buy him a new ship to come back in a fight & his response......I don't want to risk my implants."
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XenosisReaper
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Posted - 2010.01.25 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Suneai
Originally by: Steve Celeste
So what if he stayed and lost his only ship?
Would you have replaced it mr. expanding-corp-ceo?
Did you not read the OP?
"even offered to buy him a new ship to come back in a fight & his response......I don't want to risk my implants."
Don't worry, Steves a well known troll around here >.>
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Lou Tiang
Hatori Mining Services
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Posted - 2010.01.25 14:59:00 -
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Don't worry Taha, It's par for the course.
It's often the intent of Wardecs to either break you or the Corp. Often the intent is to get you to pay the dec off.
As to kicking a true carebear : it shows his lack of loyalty. It was only a matter of time. Should send him back to WOW.
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Tuberider
Caldari
Pothouse Cartel
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.01.25 16:03:00 -
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After the war has ended, invite him back give him no access then pod his ass every time he undocks.
Maybe he'll leave eve and no other corp with have too put up with him.
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genette devo
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.01.25 16:09:00 -
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not every corp is worth fighting for,
why should someone fight, losing resources worth potentially a lot,
for a corp when there are always other corps recruiting?
A very useful or well run corp that makes good money for it's members is one thing,
but expecting people to throw away isk on your average small corp is silly.
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Catherine Frasier
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Posted - 2010.01.25 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Taharqua10
I was mad for the whole evening & told him to get the **** out of my channel & banned him from further contact. He ain't coming back in my corp that's for sure.
Not letting him back in the corp is one thing, you being "mad for the whole evening" and all these helpful suggestions that you get "revenge" on this kid...
...I'm starting to think that Eve needs an on-staff, full-time anger management counsellor.
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Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2010.01.25 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: genette devo
not every corp is worth fighting for,
why should someone fight, losing resources worth potentially a lot,
for a corp when there are always other corps recruiting?
A very useful or well run corp that makes good money for it's members is one thing,
but expecting people to throw away isk on your average small corp is silly.
I marked the interesting part in bold. How do you expect the corporation to make money for its members without its members making money for it, pray tell?
I smell a moocher.
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Braskyte
StarShard Industries
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Posted - 2010.01.25 16:18:00 -
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Good riddance.
Don't accept him back.
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Tramp Oline
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Posted - 2010.01.25 16:23:00 -
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You should have accepted him back then killed his pod so that he wouldn't have his implants as an excuse next time.
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MrBinary
Minmatar
Binary Systems
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Posted - 2010.01.25 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Taharqua10
...I was mad for the whole evening & told him to get the **** out...
...Upon reflection- have I been too harsh- what does the forum think of this behaviour?
Spending an evening upset about any other player is a complete waste of your time. You have bigger things to worry about than one pilot with a single ship. Your corp obviously is not a good fit for that pilot. No biggie. Save your rage for a corp theif.
Let him/her go in a diplomatic mature way, and move on.
"[ 2004.05.20 20:11:42 ] Hodal Xibur > Die MrBinary" |
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TimMc
Gallente
Trans-Solar Works
Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2010.01.25 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Angus
wars are good for cleaning house of the rif raff
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N'tek alar
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.01.25 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Taharqua10
WTF do some people expect, Eve on a plate & when the going gets a bit tougher they run away like sheep & use every game mechanic to hide from there duty- protecting their corp colleagues & the corp.
Tbh, You hit the nail on the head, That's EXACTLY what people like him expect.
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Lucas Lucias
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Posted - 2010.01.25 16:43:00 -
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Did you make it clear when you accepted his membership that if war decced you expect members to fight and not run. But his reply after you offered to equip him with a ship meant that you did the right thing in my book. Always good however to be up front about your expectations to new members, my main was told by the CEO that the Corp he joined just goes to ground when war decced and that I had to keep my head down so the war dec goes away.
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NyteTyger
Gallente
NiteSun Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.01.25 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: genette devo
why should someone fight, losing resources worth potentially a lot,
So is your reading comprehension the only part of your brain effected by the damage, or is it your entire thought process?
Your argument would have merit if the corp hadn't OFFERED TO BUY HIM THE RISKED RESOURCES.
Which, coincidentally, has already been mentioned in the thread.
So, illiterate, or IQ of a turnip? Inquiring minds want to know.
FAKE EDIT: Actually, we don't.
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Gavin Miner
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Posted - 2010.01.25 17:18:00 -
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Edited by: Gavin Miner on 25/01/2010 17:23:19
now in my own corp, every member knows they have access to replacement ships in the case of wardecs, and we work hard to be sure everyone has jump clones.
why didn't your corp?
edit:
let me be more clear there. why didn't your corp make sure the members KNEW they would be backed up in the case of wardecs? to me it sounds like the member had no idea you'd do anything to help him, this isn't a good thing, and any sane person would in the case of a wardec in a corp which they did not think would back them up and provide help would like he did, leave.
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genette devo
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.01.25 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: NyteTyger
Originally by: genette devo
why should someone fight, losing resources worth potentially a lot,
So is your reading comprehension the only part of your brain effected by the damage, or is it your entire thought process?
Your argument would have merit if the corp hadn't OFFERED TO BUY HIM THE RISKED RESOURCES.
Which, coincidentally, has already been mentioned in the thread.
So, illiterate, or IQ of a turnip? Inquiring minds want to know.
FAKE EDIT: Actually, we don't.
they offered a ship, that isn't jack, i don't know about you, but my implants are worth vastly more than the ship i fly around, if ships are the only thing you think of as losable resources you are the cretin not I
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NyteTyger
Gallente
NiteSun Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.01.25 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: genette devo
Originally by: NyteTyger
Originally by: genette devo
why should someone fight, losing resources worth potentially a lot,
So is your reading comprehension the only part of your brain effected by the damage, or is it your entire thought process?
Your argument would have merit if the corp hadn't OFFERED TO BUY HIM THE RISKED RESOURCES.
Which, coincidentally, has already been mentioned in the thread.
So, illiterate, or IQ of a turnip? Inquiring minds want to know.
FAKE EDIT: Actually, we don't.
they offered a ship, that isn't jack, i don't know about you, but my implants are worth vastly more than the ship i fly around, if ships are the only thing you think of as losable resources you are the cretin not I
And if you don't know how to save a pod, you should stick to station trading.
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Syringe
Incura
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Posted - 2010.01.25 17:54:00 -
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No sense gettin mad about it.
If you set forward requirements - "Fight or don't come back", it's a pretty straightforward arrangement. He didn't fight, so he doesn't get to come back.
If you are getting angry over this kinda stuff, maybe you oughta pass on being CEO - it'll really only lead to an early grave.
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Tippia
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.25 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: genette devo
they offered a ship, that isn't jack, i don't know about you, but my implants are worth vastly more than the ship i fly around, if ships are the only thing you think of as losable resources you are the cretin not I
Except the only thing he stood to lose was his ship. The implants are comatose-easy to save, and that's before we even get to the part where saving your pod is usually very very simple.
So yes, the only resource he stood to lose was his ship, which they were kind enough to want to replace.
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Daquaris
Novus Aevum Dominatus
Novus Aevum
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Posted - 2010.01.25 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: genette devo
they offered a ship, that isn't jack, i don't know about you, but my implants are worth vastly more than the ship i fly around, if ships are the only thing you think of as losable resources you are the cretin not I
0/10, losing implants? In hisec? You're doing it wrong.
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