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Camroc V	Posted - 2010.01.28 13:15:00 - [91] What if the RLM seller is 100% legit? LetÆs say a person is playing internet spaceships for 3+ years and then decides to quit the game. So he sells his character(s) on the forum for say 10 billion ISK, transfers this to a new character on his account and then proceeds to sell off all his ships/items/loot and everything else he has stocked since day1, this then totals another 10 billion. So he now has 20 billion and wonÆt ever play again. What can he do with it? Is he allowed to sell on eBay for RLM or is he just stuck with it. All his ISK was generated by proper means; He spent RLM to subscribe to his account, should he not be able to receive some RLM back into his personal pocket.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2010.01.28 13:18:00 - [92] Originally by: Camroc V What if the RLM seller is 100% legit? RLM trading is never legit. Your scenario fails at the very first step. --------
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E The Volition Cult	Posted - 2010.01.28 13:19:00 - [93] If you want to buy isk.. just sell some gtc on the forum.. www.garia.net
MeSo ANGRY	Posted - 2010.01.28 13:29:00 - [94] Edited by: MeSo ANGRY on 28/01/2010 13:32:34 Originally by: L'Arbitrageur Originally by: MeSo ANGRY moran alert your ad hominem attack aside. Using Plexes does not encourage macro-botting. You need to go find a dictionary and find out what 'encourage' actually means. Plexes are neutral in encouraging or discouraging the use of macros. If a person so desired, they could go outside, punch someone in the face and steal their wallet. They could then use that money to purchase eve game time. That does not mean to say that CCP selling game time cards facilitates theft. But yes, logic is lost on some people. go spin your ship some more. since your a moran allow me to make it really simple 1. there exists a subset of player to whom not having to pay $15 a month to play eve matters greatly 2. if there were no plex, this group of player would have no choice but to pay to play 3. since there is plex, his group of player can trade isk for game time 4. a subset of this subset would choose to get isk by macro-botting also If a person so desired, they could go outside, punch someone in the face and steal their wallet. They could then use that money to purchase DIACETYLMORPHINE. That does not mean to say that MIGUEL FROM COLUMBIA selling DIACETYLMORPHINE facilitates theft. im sure the juxtaposition would allow you to clearly see how you are wrong.
Swiftgaze Elysium Holdings Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.28 14:15:00 - [95] Edited by: Swiftgaze on 28/01/2010 14:15:54 Originally by: L'Arbitrageur Originally by: MeSo ANGRY moran alert your ad hominem attack aside. Using Plexes does not encourage macro-botting. You need to go find a dictionary and find out what 'encourage' actually means. Plexes are neutral in encouraging or discouraging the use of macros. If a person so desired, they could go outside, punch someone in the face and steal their wallet. They could then use that money to purchase eve game time. That does not mean to say that CCP selling game time cards facilitates theft. But yes, logic is lost on some people. go spin your ship some more. Uhhh, "find a dictionary" is really going to prove him wrong. Being able to buy gametime with ISK *encourages* ISK creation and thus macroing. End of story. Whether you wanna be a shiny forum knight or not.
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Research and Manufacturing Corp.	Posted - 2010.01.28 14:44:00 - [96] Originally by: MeSo ANGRY since your a moran allow me to make it really simple 1. there exists a subset of player to whom not having to pay $15 a month to play eve matters greatly 2. if there were no plex, this group of player would have no choice but to pay to play 3. since there is plex, his group of player can trade isk for game time 4. a subset of this subset would choose to get isk by macro-botting By that logic most types of activities in Eve encourage macros and the like because most require ISK and some people will choose to make that ISK using macros. A person wanting a carrier may well make the money for it macro-mining. But it would be absurd to say that. Most players do not use macros to make their ISK. On the other hand, it's not at all absurd to say that about people who sell ISK for real money, because it is how many of them make their ISK in game. And if they don't make it that way, they use even shadier methods, like hacking players' accounts. ----- 'In Eve, as in real life, if you are bored it's your own fault.'
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Research and Manufacturing Corp.	Posted - 2010.01.28 14:50:00 - [97] Originally by: Swiftgaze Uhhh, "find a dictionary" is really going to prove him wrong. Being able to buy gametime with ISK *encourages* ISK creation and thus macroing. End of story. Whether you wanna be a shiny forum knight or not. Playing Eve encourages ISK creation. I have yet to see an even halfway intelligent post by you on this forum. It's remarkable. ----- 'In Eve, as in real life, if you are bored it's your own fault.'
MeSo ANGRY	Posted - 2010.01.28 15:32:00 - [98] Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: MeSo ANGRY since your a moran allow me to make it really simple 1. there exists a subset of player to whom not having to pay $15 a month to play eve matters greatly 2. if there were no plex, this group of player would have no choice but to pay to play 3. since there is plex, his group of player can trade isk for game time 4. a subset of this subset would choose to get isk by macro-botting By that logic most types of activities in Eve encourage macros and the like because most require ISK and some people will choose to make that ISK using macros. A person wanting a carrier may well make the money for it macro-mining. But it would be absurd to say that. Most players do not use macros to make their ISK. On the other hand, it's not at all absurd to say that about people who sell ISK for real money, because it is how many of them make their ISK in game. And if they don't make it that way, they use even shadier methods, like hacking players' accounts. whether or not xxxx encourage macro-botting or not is not relevant to the discussion "does plex encourage macro-botting".
Lo3d3R Mos Eisley Social Club	Posted - 2010.01.28 15:49:00 - [99] Edited by: Lo3d3R on 28/01/2010 15:50:14 Originally by: MeSo ANGRY moran Moran, the preferred method of spelling "moron" by morons. Originally by: Golden Admiral Originally by: Lo3d3R text... more text... I stated later that it is a "small matter of principal" in relation to some offcial statements. ___________________ Sexy Time:
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Research and Manufacturing Corp.	Posted - 2010.01.28 15:57:00 - [100] Originally by: MeSo ANGRY whether or not xxxx encourage macro-botting or not is not relevant to the discussion "does plex encourage macro-botting". It's relevant, because unless you're saying that PLEXs encourage use of macros and such to a greater degree than all those other things in Eve that need lots of ISK, then saying "PLEXs encourage macros and bots" is a completely useless statement. A subset of Eve players will always use methods like that for making ISK, regardless of what they are making the ISK for. It doesn't make it the same as the people who make ISK to sell for real money. It's just not profitable for those people to make ISK in the ways that we normal players do. ----- 'In Eve, as in real life, if you are bored it's your own fault.'
MeSo ANGRY	Posted - 2010.01.28 16:15:00 - [101] Originally by: Reem Fairchild unless you're saying that PLEXs encourage use of macros and such to a greater degree no. i have never said that plex's encourage to a degree exceeding other activities yadda yadda... all i have said is that plex's encourage macro-botting. so dont add to what i said, learn comprehension and stop being a moran.
Swiftgaze Elysium Holdings Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.28 16:17:00 - [102] Edited by: Swiftgaze on 28/01/2010 16:19:08 Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: Swiftgaze Uhhh, "find a dictionary" is really going to prove him wrong. Being able to buy gametime with ISK *encourages* ISK creation and thus macroing. End of story. Whether you wanna be a shiny forum knight or not. Playing Eve encourages ISK creation. I have yet to see an even halfway intelligent post by you on this forum. It's remarkable. You are only supporting what I said. Playing Eve DOES encourage macroing. So why don't you just bite me?
Sojuro Ryosaki Gallente Applied Tactical Division Slacker Trade Federation Unlimited	Posted - 2010.01.28 16:53:00 - [103] Edited by: Sojuro Ryosaki on 28/01/2010 16:54:11 I'll put this simple so some of you with low intellect can understand. A player buys plex and puts it on market and I come along and buy it. What just took place is very simple, I gave isk to a player as a gratitude for paying my subscription to which I am very thankful. Now it only took me a few hrs to make that much in a WH and I have the rest of the 30 days to do what I want. I could even go play something else or chill and watch tv. The reason I buy plex? On Oct 8th I found out both my kidneys shut down and will be on dialysis permanently or till I get a transplant. Now I can't work due to the nature of dialysis so no income. Today I lose my employment status at my job as all my personal time and medical leave as been used. I also have another 2 or 3 months till Social Security decides whether or not they're going to put me on disability. Now without plexs available I wouldn't be able to play Eve and hang with my friends. I can probably guess that there are quite a few ppl like this and need plexes to play. I'm also pretty positive that there are ppl that have no clue how plexs work. If after reading the first paragraph and still not sure reread it and it'll come to you but may take a few reads. --
MeSo ANGRY	Posted - 2010.01.28 17:47:00 - [104] Originally by: Sojuro Ryosaki On Oct 8th I found out both my kidneys shut down drugs are bad.
Sojuro Ryosaki Gallente Applied Tactical Division Slacker Trade Federation Unlimited	Posted - 2010.01.28 17:50:00 - [105] Originally by: MeSo ANGRY Originally by: Sojuro Ryosaki On Oct 8th I found out both my kidneys shut down drugs are bad. You really are a moron that should keep his mouth shut. --
MeSo ANGRY	Posted - 2010.01.28 18:13:00 - [106] i hit the sorespot??
Sojuro Ryosaki Gallente Applied Tactical Division Slacker Trade Federation Unlimited	Posted - 2010.01.28 18:17:00 - [107] Originally by: MeSo ANGRY i hit the sorespot?? No, you just talk about things you don't know anything about proving how much of a moron and how disrespectful you truly are. --

CCP StevieSG	Posted - 2010.01.28 18:27:00 - [108] Thread has been cleaned up. Please post constructively.

Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Research and Manufacturing Corp.	Posted - 2010.01.28 18:44:00 - [109] Edited by: Reem Fairchild on 28/01/2010 18:46:15 Originally by: MeSo ANGRY no. i have never said that plex's encourage to a degree exceeding other activities yadda yadda... Great. Never said you did say that. I assumed you weren't saying it. But what that means then, is that the following... Quote: all i have said is that plex's encourage macro-botting. ...is a completely useless statement that doesn't add anything to the debate on the subject at hand in this thread. It's just not comparable to the people making ISK to sell it for real money. That was the point of my last post. So, if you had followed your own advice... Quote: so dont add to what i said, learn comprehension and stop being a moran. ...you could have saved yourself a post there. ----- 'In Eve, as in real life, if you are bored it's your own fault.'
MeSo ANGRY	Posted - 2010.01.28 19:04:00 - [110] Originally by: Reem Fairchild Edited by: Reem Fairchild on 28/01/2010 18:50:32 Originally by: MeSo ANGRY no. i have never said that plex's encourage to a degree exceeding other activities yadda yadda... Great. Never said you did say that. I assumed you weren't saying it. But what that means then, is that the following... Quote: all i have said is that plex's encourage macro-botting. ...is a completely useless statement that doesn't add anything to the debate on the subject at hand in this thread. It's just not comparable to the people making ISK to sell it for real money. That was the point of my last post. So, if you had followed your own advice... Quote: learn comprehension and stop being a moran. ...you could have saved yourself a post there. sigh we are not talking about the usefulness of statement. we are talking about whether or not plex's encourage macrobotting. stop extrapolating and sidestepping the issue plz. thats a moronic tactics employed by failed logic ******.
Taedrin Gallente The Green Cross DEFI4NT	Posted - 2010.01.28 19:09:00 - [111] Originally by: Swiftgaze You are only supporting what I said. Playing Eve DOES encourage macroing. So why don't you just bite me? More specifically, any activity which requires ISK encourages macroing. However, RMT is a violation of the EULA, and I would SUSPECT that RMTer's would be more likely to use macros since they are already violating the EULA anyways. Someone who does NOT violate the EULA would be less likely to use macros, as using a macro would constitute a risk of getting banned, whereas if they don't use macros (and don't decide to violate the EULA elsewhere either) they theoretically have zero risk of getting banned. Same reason why level 4 mission runners don't go to low-sec - high sec appears to have 0% risk, and this "guaranteed" safety is so appealing to them that they dare not risk themselves in low sec, 0.0 or w-space. ---------- There is always a choice. The choice might not be easy, nor simple, nor the options be what you desire - but, nevertheless, the choice is there to be made.
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Research and Manufacturing Corp.	Posted - 2010.01.28 20:26:00 - [112] Originally by: MeSo ANGRY sigh we are not talking about the usefulness of statement. we are talking about whether or not plex's encourage macrobotting. stop extrapolating and sidestepping the issue plz. thats a moronic tactics employed by failed logic ******. Ok, PLEXs, like anything else in Eve that requires ISK, encourages macros and bots to some degree or other. But who cares, and what does it have to do with the subject of this thread? ----- 'In Eve, as in real life, if you are bored it's your own fault.'
Jered Transer	Posted - 2010.01.28 20:33:00 - [113] Originally by: Captain Thunk Originally by: GM Nova Buying ISK is the worst thing you can do in this game. It ruins your game experience, it ruins other people's game experience and deteriorates and corrupts our gameworld. I dunno, it's pretty hard to top Dominion I lol'd
Qwert0	Posted - 2010.01.28 20:36:00 - [114] Something else to note: $15 a month is less motivation to macro than hundreds. By its very nature, PLEXes are locked in at "earning" roughly $15 a month per account ("selling" only ~300M isk in the process). RMT is simply limited by how much isk they can earn in the 360 hours per month that they can play, encouraging macros/bots/etc. Do some people macro or bot for their game time? I'm sure they do, though I think they probably macro for their isk as well, they are already breaking the rules after all.
Ryhss Caldari The Templar Navy SRS.	Posted - 2010.01.28 20:40:00 - [115] Originally by: Jackie Fisher Edited by: Jackie Fisher on 27/01/2010 11:06:54 Originally by: GM Nova Buying ISK is the worst thing you can do in this game. It ruins your game experience, it ruins other people's game experience and deteriorates and corrupts our gameworld. Unless you do it via GTC sales in which case none of the above applies. QFT!
Lord Amaris	Posted - 2010.01.30 13:30:00 - [116] When you say, buying ISK with RTM is equivalent to buying ISK through PLEX/ETC, you are wrong. When you exchange ISK against ETC, you are paying to extend this player play time against some ISK. There is no way this player can later exchange this to get real money and therefor can't make a business from it.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2010.01.30 13:42:00 - [117] RMT = A Job GTC = A hobby --------
Cameltoeminer	Posted - 2010.02.05 21:06:00 - [118] Let's not forget, CCP is in this to make money. They are a private enterprise... After all, why should they let others profit when CCP could?
Joe Astor Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2010.02.05 21:54:00 - [119] Just going on my observations here... I get that selling ISK is illegal, that's a no brainer. But from what I seem to notice on all the other RMTer related posts is they ask for/need your login and password for some reason. Shouldn't that be enough of a sign that it's a bad thing? You've never needed someone's l/p to give them ISK. I get that if someone is silly enough to give their l/p out they risk losing their assets, and that's one way these RMT smegheads get the ISK that they get. IMO if someone is silly enough to give out their l/p, they deserve to be pwned by ISK sellers, then by CCP in the aftermath.
Gordo Moto	Posted - 2010.02.17 01:11:00 - [120] Also... If you have a real life friend who decides to quit for good, don't let him give you his stuff, because according to the GM it is 'buying isk'.

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