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Peryner University of Caille	Posted - 2010.02.01 12:06:00 - [61] Originally by: ihcn The only thing that bothers me here is that CCP looks like they're being a lot more generous than they're actually being. Other than paying a GM to accept contracts along with his/her other 50 duties, what is ccp really doing here? Nothing, and that doesn't sit well with me. The fact that this program exists isn't bad at all, but anyone who calls CCP generous, noble, whatever, is completely missing what's happening. CCP is not being generous here, as it is the players funding 100% of the donations here, and, as pointed out, CCP will likely benefit financially from this. (For the sake of this post i'm assuming they're being honest with where the money is going etc). CCP should offer to match the price of every plex. That is, at the end of the program, CCP takes whatever the worth of the plex is that they collect, and donate double that to the red cross. In that way, everyone wins; players get to feel good about donating money to haiti, CCP gets a PR boost, and i and others don't get the nagging feeling that ccp is trying to look more altruistic than they're actually being. I'm sorry how are the players funding 100% of the donations? Unless your arguing that by playing eve we have given them the money they are now donating. I mean unless you think the point is to buy a plex and donate it. it's not by the way, the point is to buy it with ISK. ISK is not real. ccp is giving away money we allready gave them that could just keep.
ihcn	Posted - 2010.02.01 12:14:00 - [62] Originally by: Peryner Originally by: ihcn The only thing that bothers me here is that CCP looks like they're being a lot more generous than they're actually being. Other than paying a GM to accept contracts along with his/her other 50 duties, what is ccp really doing here? Nothing, and that doesn't sit well with me. The fact that this program exists isn't bad at all, but anyone who calls CCP generous, noble, whatever, is completely missing what's happening. CCP is not being generous here, as it is the players funding 100% of the donations here, and, as pointed out, CCP will likely benefit financially from this. (For the sake of this post i'm assuming they're being honest with where the money is going etc). CCP should offer to match the price of every plex. That is, at the end of the program, CCP takes whatever the worth of the plex is that they collect, and donate double that to the red cross. In that way, everyone wins; players get to feel good about donating money to haiti, CCP gets a PR boost, and i and others don't get the nagging feeling that ccp is trying to look more altruistic than they're actually being. I'm sorry how are the players funding 100% of the donations? Unless your arguing that by playing eve we have given them the money they are now donating. I mean unless you think the point is to buy a plex and donate it. it's not by the way, the point is to buy it with ISK. ISK is not real. ccp is giving away money we allready gave them that could just keep. At some point in recent history, someone purchased, with real money, the plex that you are now contracting to ccp's donation character. CCP received real money so that you can have that plex to donate. The plex that will cause CCP to send off $15 to aid for haiti, was originally created by someone sending $15 to ccp. Regardless of WHEN it was purchased, it WAS purchased, for $15, by a player. Is this clear enough yet? Because i'm not sure how else to word it. Regardless of how many times it's changed hands, a player originally gave ccp the money for it, so CCP breaks even by consuming it and sending the same amount of money away.
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2010.02.01 13:22:00 - [63] Originally by: ihcn Other than paying a GM to accept contracts along with his/her other 50 duties, what is ccp really doing here? Nothing, and that doesn't sit well with me. That's off-topic. CCP is a company that has owners and employees, you don't know if that people donated anything or not. You don't even know if CCP as a company donated anything or not. This is not mentioned in the DevBlog. This DevBlog and thread is about giving the PLAYERS the opportunity to donate. Usually this will be players who don't pay money for the plex but buy it with isk (otherwise you could directly donate the money, instead of buying a plex and then donating it), means they can do something good with the time/skills they invested into this game. Quote: The only thing that bothers me here is that CCP looks like they're being a lot more generous than they're actually being. ...nagging feeling that ccp is trying to look more altruistic than they're actually being. Again, CCP is only offering the chance for you to be generous and altruistic, CCP does not claim to be generous by offering this opportunity to the players, stop reading something in the DevBlog that isn't there.
Boris Sandstorm	Posted - 2010.02.01 13:57:00 - [64] I support this and will donate the proceeds of the corporations I am currently selling to this worthy cause as 2 plexs. Originally by: The trolls in this thread Words GTFO! ___________________ POS Anchoring and Corp Standings Services Shop Thread Linkage
Camios Minmatar Insurgent New Eden Tribe Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.02.01 14:11:00 - [65] I have contributed with 2 plexes that were half of my in game cash wealth. I did it because this was the right thing to do. I am not generous. If I were really generous, I would give all my wealth but i did not.
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2010.02.01 16:24:00 - [66] Love the effort to help people, it also has a side effect CCP have been trying to solve for months now, over abundant amount of PLEXs in game!! Well that's assuming the large group of pirates and scoundrels will actually donate, I'm not holding my breath. Amarr for Life
Cinori Aluben Minmatar The Salvaged	Posted - 2010.02.01 21:30:00 - [67] Originally by: Boris Sandstorm I support this and will donate the proceeds of the corporations I am currently selling to this worthy cause as 2 plexs. Man you're really KEWL. Originally by: Camios I have contributed with 2 plexes that were half of my in game cash wealth. I did it because this was the right thing to do. I am not generous. If I were really generous, I would give all my wealth but i did not. You are too!!1!11!! This thread sounds like a lot of people who keep their doors unlocked at night and have already claimed their $100MILLION US from their long lost relative in Kenya...
Valrandir Elemental Mercury Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.02 03:40:00 - [68] Originally by: CCP Fallout New Eden can be a harsh place, but the real world can be a lot harsher. Recently, Haiti was hit with a devastating earthquake, leaving hundreds of thousands of people homeless, and a tremendous number of casualties. Many of you, including CCP, are troubled by the situation in Haiti, and would like to help out. And now you can. Read CCP Hellmar's newest dev blog to find out how you can use your PLEX to donate to the Red Cross. Back in the day all that was required to reach the whole community was a dev blog. Now more is needed to reach the ears of the 330,000 players. Please help pass the word to your fellow EVE Players. no This has surpassed the Yarrdware specification and has been dubbed Uberware.
Cventas Minmatar Midnight Clockwork CryoGenesis Mining Syndicate	Posted - 2010.02.02 04:21:00 - [69] CCP!! I demand that you add 25% to the RM cost. you guys need to be responsible for this attempt at charity. Cventas
FingerThief Gallente	Posted - 2010.02.02 07:27:00 - [70] Originally by: ihcn At some point in recent history, someone purchased, with real money, the plex that you are now contracting to ccp's donation character. CCP received real money so that you can have that plex to donate. The plex that will cause CCP to send off $15 to aid for haiti, was originally created by someone sending $15 to ccp. Regardless of WHEN it was purchased, it WAS purchased, for $15, by a player. Is this clear enough yet? Because i'm not sure how else to word it. Regardless of how many times it's changed hands, a player originally gave ccp the money for it, so CCP breaks even by consuming it and sending the same amount of money away. Flawed logic is ... flawed. Let me show you how it really works. Player A paid CCP for something ( the PLEX ) and CCP received $US 15 in their bank account, thus making CCP ( not anybody else ) richer. Player B bought that PLEX ingame for n ISK and decides that he wants to donate. He does so and CCP says that the $US 15 ( not Players A or Players B ) the equivalent RL cost of a PLEX, will be taken out of CCP's bank account and donated to the Red Cross. Two seperate transactions occur. Get the concept and your facts straight. What you describe is nothing short of kindergarten nonsense. It's player B that hands the PLEX to CCP that does tell CCP "Here, take this item that is worth $US 15, trash it and give the money that you initially made with it to the Red Cross !" Before you try explaining something make sure that you actually got it right. Fighting like Don Quixote, one windmill at a time.

Fina Kelitan	Posted - 2010.02.02 10:15:00 - [71] I don't see anything in what you said that disagrees with the person you quoted. - Experienced EVE player trying a new character
SharpMango The Khanates	Posted - 2010.02.02 12:27:00 - [72] A noble idea. I have a tonne of isk with no real use for it. I am seriously considering giving isk to this cause. I have a few rambling questions really. How much dollar value does each PLEX have? And/Or will i get a receipt saying how much i have donated? Will we get a total at the end of how much CCP has donated to the Red Cross? Are you considering making this a permanent feature in Eve so that mainstream charities can benefit?
Henry Haphorn	Posted - 2010.02.02 13:24:00 - [73] Originally by: Taikun Edited by: Taikun on 30/01/2010 08:12:17 Originally by: Peryner Quote: against the law for such activities to be conducted by businesses that do not declare which charities they are in fact collecting for they said redcross Yes they said... I would like to confirm that they will NOT make a cash donation on behalf of CCP, rather collect for Red Cross and not exploit the generosity of the playerbase for tax purposes. Red Cross will be able to confirm this and also provide confirmation that they as a charitable institution has allowed CCP to collect donations in their name. If not... CCP may be conducting illegal collections. Originally by: Peryner also why would care about the tax write up? your donating to help people, why would saving money be the 1st thing someone would think of? I care if a corporation benefits financially off their customers back in the name of charity. That is why there are laws about such activities here in Australia. I care DEEPLY as a full time volunteer of charitable institutions. Taikun P.S Dont get me wrong... this (perhaps) is a nobal effort from CCP. However I am asking reasonable questions on where this money is going and allowed the opportunity to verify that the funds are indeed going to help those that need it the most. I don't blame you for asking the questions you posted. Just remember that just because a corporation likes to help out doesn't mean that they also have some ulterior motive (although some probably do already). Also, for those who ask about monetary conversions, don't for the one point that CCP Fallout mentioned: 100% of the proceeds will go to charity. That should mean that it wouldn't matter how the money is converted. If 14.95 euros is equal to over 20.00 dollars, $20 will go to the charity (in this case the Red Cross) to help Haiti. CCP clearly would NOT keep the difference.
foksieloy Minmatar Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.02.02 16:40:00 - [74] You people do realize that the reason why some of you pay in € instead of $ is because you live in the EU, and the difference goes to VAT? So basically the difference will not be kept by CCP (well, most of it anyway), but by your governments. _______________________ We come for our people!
Malaban Knox	Posted - 2010.02.02 17:36:00 - [75] Edited by: Malaban Knox on 02/02/2010 17:42:22 Edited by: Malaban Knox on 02/02/2010 17:40:09 Originally by: FingerThief Flawed logic is ... flawed. Let me show you how it really works. Player A paid CCP for something ( the PLEX ) and CCP received $US 15 in their bank account, thus making CCP ( not anybody else ) richer. Player B bought that PLEX ingame for n ISK and decides that he wants to donate. He does so and CCP says that the $US 15 ( not Players A or Players B ) the equivalent RL cost of a PLEX, will be taken out of CCP's bank account and donated to the Red Cross. Two seperate transactions occur. Get the concept and your facts straight. What you describe is nothing short of kindergarten nonsense. It's player B that hands the PLEX to CCP that does tell CCP "Here, take this item that is worth $US 15, trash it and give the money that you initially made with it to the Red Cross !" Before you try explaining something make sure that you actually got it right. Well I'm sorry, but it's your logic that's flawed here. What really happens is: Player A buys the PLEX (representing 30 days of playtime) from CCP --> CCP earns $15. Player B buys the PLEX ingame, but instead of activating it and receiving 30 days of additional gametime, he sends it to CCP and it gets destroyed. CCP then makes the donation --> CCP loses $15. The additional gametime, which ultimately is the service CCP has been paid $15 for, is never activated. --> Player B has to buy his gametime again, which earns CCP $15. So CCP doesn't lose a cent during the whole transaction. The money they donated isn't theirs because they haven't provided the service they were paid for. That said I still think it's a great idea, since it gives people the opportunity to do a little good with ingame money.
Yoseph Cohen Gallente	Posted - 2010.02.02 19:01:00 - [76] Originally by: Camios I have contributed with 2 plexes that were half of my in game cash wealth. I did it because this was the right thing to do. I am not generous. If I were really generous, I would give all my wealth but i did not. Wow. What kind of screwed up culture do we live in, where if you help someone out but it does not harm you - you are evil; if you help someone out and it hurts you in some manner, you are noble, and if you bankrupt yourself helping another - then you're a saint. How have we gotten to the point where we sacrifice ourselves on the altar of helping others, to the detriment of ourselves and our own happiness? That's insane.
Zenst Aliastra	Posted - 2010.02.02 21:12:00 - [77] Small observation but by donating this way you pay tax upon the donation as its done via plex's which are dont via GTC's, which incure salex tax's and vat or whatever other form of local fiscal penalisations you incure. So if you wish to donate then a registered charity would afford you this roit and enable more of your money to be used for what you intend it to be. Now if CCP could sort out some arrangement with an existing charity, then there is still some hope of using this moral loophole in TAX laws. Today Haiti, tommorow we buy a Iclandic bank with PLEX's
Zoltar Caldari Perdu Opus	Posted - 2010.02.02 22:35:00 - [78] I Support this Plex sent
Proton Power Amarr Luck Yourself Into Isk	Posted - 2010.02.03 00:41:00 - [79] I am fully supporting this, advertising it much as possible and endorsing this within my alliance. Is it possible to get some numbers on how many have been donated?
Dianalexia	Posted - 2010.02.03 00:47:00 - [80] Full support to this, plex sent! Also guys, if you don't want to give, don't do it, there's no need for you to post here just to overcome feelings of guilt.

mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.02.03 02:05:00 - [81] CCP plex for haiti apparently does not accept all forms of plex. if you send the wrong sort of "plex" they return it! link to picture. SELLING MY POWERS. 1 PLEX FOR 1 ISSUE
Fina Kelitan	Posted - 2010.02.03 11:52:00 - [82] Originally by: mazzilliu CCP plex for haiti apparently does not accept all forms of plex. if you send the wrong sort of "plex" they return it! link to picture. That's not a PLEX (Pilot License EXtension). Though it's good to know that they return any other items you send them. - Experienced EVE player trying a new character
Grez Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2010.02.03 15:42:00 - [83] People are stupid. This is allowing people with ISK to donate. That's what they're basically doing. CCP do not gain, or lose money by doing this. Player A buys plex for $15. Player B has the ISK to donate that plex. Player B pays with his CC, but doesn't have much money on it, but still wants to donate. Player B buys the plex with the ISK, and sends it to CCP. No-one has claimed the game time, CCP are sending the $15 to charity, so they do not gain anything. The only person gaining or losing any thing, is the player. They lose their ISK, but gain some morality in the fact that they donated to a charitable cause. Some people are thinking that because some players have to buy a second plex to activate it for play time, that CCP is somehow gaining $15... Think of them as separate transactions (Because they are), and you'll realise you're very wrong. Lets go through the monetary gains and losses... Player A, the plex buyer. Player B, the donator and plex buyer. CCP, the charitable company. Player A buys two plex's, $15 each. CCP gains $30. Player B wants to donate to Haiti and buy one for himself. Player B sends ISK to Player A to purchase those plex's. Player B loses ISK, Player A gains isk. Player B sends a plex to CCP so they can donate to Haiti. CCP lose $15. So at the end of it all. CCP have the single purchase that would have originally occurred, so they're not up, nor down. The only person to gain anything, is Player A, through normal business. The only person to lose anything, is Player B, he lost ISK. So, all CCP is doing is allowing people with TONS of ISK to donate in an otherwise rough financial environment. And to those saying they don't want to see this in a game - get your heads out of the hole in the ground. This isn't fairy-tale land. Immoral twits. ---
Malaban Knox	Posted - 2010.02.03 16:50:00 - [84] @Grez: You got it exactly right In my previous post I didn't want to imply that CCP are making a profit from this. Of course they don't. What basically happens is that you return the previously purchased PLEX (by you or another player) to CCP, and instead of giving you a refund (which I'm pretty sure they wouldn't normally do anyway ), they donate the money. Neither loss nor gain for them.
soulkiller3 Minmatar Explosive Production Corp	Posted - 2010.02.04 13:45:00 - [85] Why does people find this hard to understand? As for CCP doing this I approve ever little helps.
Yblarbo Janks Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.02.05 17:07:00 - [86] Years ago, when I was playing Ultima Online the Asia Tsunami really touched me, and overnight I started collecting gold in Ultima Online, and donating the money to Red Cross. It was such a huge success I had some help setting up a website (gamerscharity.com, which is now down thanks to some hackers) and the Ultima Online community ended up donating just over $10,000 to Red Cross. The success of the website wanted me to keep it going, however Ebay pretty much shut it down when disallowed all virtual-item sales. I actually had a few people ask me if I was going to try and do it again with what happened in Haiti in Eve Online, however I simply didn't have the free time to try, so never bothered to contact anyone at CCP to try and work something out. Thanks for doing this and keeping the spirit alive by virtually helping those in need. Janks aka "Crazy Joe" from Gamerscharity Janks is a natural sex object. When he ask the ladies for sex, they object!
Yblarbo Janks Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.02.05 17:18:00 - [87] On the topic of tax deductions, basically back in Gamerscharity nobody could give me their gold/items/etc and claim a deduction - I was not a charitable organization. CCP is NOT a charitable organization. However when I SOLD the items, then donated to Red Cross I could claim a deduction...and before you scream Foul keep in mind I also had to claim INCOME on what I sold - so claimed on my income taxes an extra $10,000 then it washed out with $10,000 deduction. Janks is a natural sex object. When he ask the ladies for sex, they object!
Professor Dargo	Posted - 2010.02.05 18:02:00 - [88] ONLY A FOOL GIVES AID TO FOOLS. Don't do it!
justin666	Posted - 2010.02.05 19:20:00 - [89] this is the time when carebears shine and refuse to make a donation....shame on u....ya i trolled (first strike)
johnnytwocombs	Posted - 2010.02.06 11:28:00 - [90] I would help if I hadn't spent isk replacing my moros which was destroyed due to lag. I never even had the opportunity to turn a hardner or armour repper on. Customer services is a contradiction in terms. They had no interest in the case, even in spite of the overwhelming evidence supporting my case they just kept spouting on about policies and not getting involved in fleet fights. By the look of it we are all being scammed by ccp as they don't provide the service that we pay for. I will make my donation through my credit card to a source that is reputable and accountable for where the money goes. Have fun the best you can everyone red or blue, until ccp sorts the problems out.



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