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Msgerbs
Gallente
Imperial Assualt Guild
Raikiri Assasins
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Posted - 2010.02.01 05:07:00 -
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What's the best gallente ship for a class 3 wormhole that won't cost 130mil just for the ship? (Meaning no hype) Mega is too low tank, domi is too low DPS without drones, any BC will get ass****d.
It seems from my perspective that gallente are basically boned when it comes to wormholes. Or am I merely setting the DPS/tank bar too high?
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.02.01 05:57:00 -
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after insurance hypes are what like 10mil maybe?
I'd say more but not familiar with wormhole living.
ps, sentries have rather high hp, even more with the domi bonus. plus as soon as they get shot you should be able to right click scoop. I doubt a domi would be that bad.
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Gareshor
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Posted - 2010.02.01 09:01:00 -
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Go with the domi. Sleepers do target drones, but generally if you launch and scoop relatively rapidly they get "bored" with drones and won't try to target them as much. Additionally, light drones generally are small and fast enough that they can tank when focus fired allowing you to order them back. If you go for a stationary strategy where you launch sentries, you should never really have issues with drones dying, and sentries do insane DPS in PvE. Although I haven't personally observed it myself(I don't work with a large group of players), but I've heard that when large amounts of drones are launched, the sleeper AI will deem trying to disable all of them too difficult, and will largely ignore them.
On top of all of this, the Domi is pretty cheap, and has some pretty fantastic tanking ability. Using it completely alone in W-space probably isn't a great idea, but doing anything in C3 alone without a T2/T3 ship or a drake is a bad idea. Gallente really aren't as screwed over as everyone makes them out to be. You just need to be watching your drones and be ready to scoop and redeploy them. If you do that, drones are great in w-space.
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Celia Therone
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Posted - 2010.02.01 11:13:00 -
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If you're doing class 3 sites that have a lot of webifiers then your fast light drones will frequently pop before they get home and wont do enough damage to beat remote repair if present. You can engage at range to draw the frigates out of rr range, but it can still be expensive in drones if things go badly and you're also starting to see warp scramblers so use caution.
That said I haven't been that unhappy with the dominix but you pretty much have to be next to what you want to hit with mobile drones.
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Garresh
Minmatar
Hole Patrol
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Posted - 2010.02.02 17:56:00 -
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Well for starters, you shouldn't be using T2 drones, but should have a supply of hundreds and hundreds of T1 drones. You should always use warriors, and their chance of survival will increase. Sentries are ideal, though. They're amazing. |
Krikx
Gallente
Forgotten Gods
Fear Th3 Vampires
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Posted - 2010.02.02 18:13:00 -
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Edited by: Krikx on 02/02/2010 18:15:17
You can do what I did. I am a Gallente pilot with heavy drone skills and great armor tanking skills.
Steps:
1) Spent 1 week moving into WH hub. Getting ships in and getting all setup.
2) Joined corp member in a class 2 or 3(don't remember exactly) with my armor tanked Myrm. Corpmate had Drake.
3) Warped out several times because I couldn't take the dmg. His drake held up w/o problem.
4) Spent more time recalling drones then fighting.
5) Left with my head held low.
6) Spent a few days getting all my ships out of WH space.
7) Started training for t2 sentries and passive shield tank Myrm.
8) Quit carring about WH and moved to 0.0
Lessons learned. Gallente are less then ok for WH space. T2 Sentires are spectactular for PvE. My Ishtar now has a great passive setup as well. Never looked back I like my new home and still love my drone boats.
Edit:
I heard a rumor that EW draws a lot of hate from sleepers so there are reports of people dropping a jammer on their drone boat just to make the sleepers mad and keep agro off the drones. May work with Target painters as well. I never verified, I just jumped ship.
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Akuma Tsukai
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.02.02 20:18:00 -
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TP will help but dont count on it too much. With sentries u can do C2/3 easy, after that sleepers become maniaks for drones.
As to OP, for C3 solo choices are limited to T3 cruiser, drake and myrm. Pick your poison or be smart and either find a friends or C2.
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aetherguy881
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.02.03 01:12:00 -
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People are too afraid of losing their drones. Yes they shoot at them, but this isn't normal mission running. It may be a hassle to pull your drones in more than once, but they provide plenty of extra DPS that makes the sites much more do-able.
Ever thought of flying an ishtar in there?
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Krikx
Gallente
Forgotten Gods
Fear Th3 Vampires
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Posted - 2010.02.03 16:23:00 -
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Ishtar doesn't seem that great for sleepers.
I can get about a 650dps passive tank with all lvl 5's. You still run into a drone problem. Only difference now with the ishtar you don't have room for the Omni's in the mid slot for extra tracking like you do in a Domi. I'm not sure how well the Garde 2's will hit sleepers without the tracking.
Then your left with Heavy 2's again, which once webbed are never going to make it back to you in time before they pop. You don't have an AB because of the passive fit to orbit with the drones.
The 650dps tank might be enough for 3's with the reduced sig radius and orbiting the drones to increase the tracking penalties. You're much smaller and faster then a drake then....but sleepers like to web a lot.
Plus the T2 hull is costly to replace if you aren't paying attention well enough to scan.
Over all I ssay if you want to solo WH's train for Drake. If you want to make crazy amount of isk in WH, train for RR Domi and get a good corp that does 5 and 6's.
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Krikx
Gallente
Forgotten Gods
Fear Th3 Vampires
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Posted - 2010.02.03 16:34:00 -
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 Originally by: aetherguy881
People are too afraid of losing their drones. Yes they shoot at them, but this isn't normal mission running. It may be a hassle to pull your drones in more than once, but they provide plenty of extra DPS that makes the sites much more do-able.
Ever thought of flying an ishtar in there?
Oh and it's not about being afraid to lose them. If you are flying a drone boat they are your only or primary DPS. They aren't just extra DPS that make it go faster.
With travel time you are actually able to do DPS maybe half the time pulling them in constantly. That is why so many drone users use Sentrys for sleepers, the DPS is better then and they can be pulled bakc in quickly. Losing a couple of drones not only cost you money but depending on what your drone bay looks like it could mean a lot less DPS too.
I recently got disconnected in a anomaly and by the time I logged back in I had 3 less Garde 2s because they got popped. Because of my setup I didn't have replacements for the Garde's so that cut my DPS by almost 300. So I had to go back to station to replace them. No granted it was my choice to fit that way but it's an example of the drones being more then just extra DPS. thats the equiviant of a drake losing 4 of it's launchers.
And do not take this as a drone user whine post. I don't think sleepers or drones need changed one bit. I love my drones for other aspects of the game and would rather be gallentte for many things instead of Caldari. I just know sleepers aren't something my ships shine at. No big deal, just learn to adapt. |
cutlerhammer
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Posted - 2010.02.05 19:19:00 -
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Ive been using a domi in c3 wh for months. Along side a abbadon, domi can perma tank 2 reps. On top of that have highs with rr, energy transfer. The only time it gets primaried is in the last spawn, 2bs, 4 cruiser class, due to we think the sleepers primary the highest dps or ecm ship, they take no notice what so ever of my drones T2 ogre's.
So they do have a use!! its cheap, it can rr or salvage, whilst having 5 heavys killing, whilst it can tank all c3 sites. Yes it is a pain solo, cos they do kill your drones
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