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Posted - 2012.06.26 21:34:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote:The problem with stupid people is that they don't realize they're stupid.
"The" problem? I don't think I agree with that. I'll agree that it is one of the problems, but I'm certain we can all agree that failing to recognize their own condition is a second place prize behind having the condition itself. (Sorry for the stilted language; I'm trying to avoid repeating the insult while still agreeing with the sentiment.)
I'm uncertain if this is an appropriate place to ask this (if not, please be gentle with your rebukes), but can someone (CCP or ISD) please explain the CCL volunteer interviewing & vetting process? I would have imagined that prior moderation experience (with *evidence*) be required. If so, then is someone looking into how that interview/vetting failed to screen out the apparent non-performing volunteer(s)?
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Posted - 2012.06.27 16:14:00 -
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CCP Navigator wrote:Of course, you can continue to berate a couple of green recruits who made an error, which we have apologized for. These guys will retain our support and we will help them improve.
Not sure if you can ever forgive and forget but mistakes happen.
Serious question: have the "couple of green recruits" apologized and asked for forgiveness? If not, it's rather presumptuous to assume that forgiveness will be provided where none is sought.
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Posted - 2012.06.27 16:23:00 -
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CCP Navigator wrote:Of course, you can continue to berate a couple of green recruits who made an error, which we have apologized for. These guys will retain our support and we will help them improve.
Not sure if you can ever forgive and forget but mistakes happen.
MailDeadDrop wrote:Serious question: have the "couple of green recruits" apologized and asked for forgiveness? If not, it's rather presumptuous to assume that forgiveness will be provided where none is sought.
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Crunchie Attuxors wrote:To be fair, while I agree, CCP Guard and CCP Phantom both provided apologies. And the ISD Admiral (Forget his name) also apologized. But it is true, the ISDs in question should ask for apologies if they want the community to forgive them.
Fair points. I have no complaint with Guard, Navigator, Phantom, or the ISD Admiral. But an "apology-by-proxy" is a faint substitute for the genuine article.
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Posted - 2012.06.27 18:26:00 -
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ISD Eshtir wrote:My name is Eshtir and as you said correctly, i am the Vice Admiral of the CCL team and i am responsible for the CCL volunteers  (how can you not know this  )
I am old and my memory isn't what it used to be. I'll go out on a limb and suggest the same holds true for Crunchie. 
ISD Eshtir wrote:I am sorry to mention it, but this is turning into a witch hunt and that is not what i wish for my volunteers. People ask for apologies, yet carry out the witty remarks about said ISD in other threads, their forum signatures and in posts.
I think the sniping and biting comments (*) are a reflection of the lack of respect that those players have for those ISD volunteers. If you want those to cease then you'll need to address the lack of respect. (Note: I'm not meaning to imply that you must, or even should, concern yourself with the sniping, only trying to highlight the reasonable interpretation.)
ISD Eshtir wrote:Will the training effort be doubled and be way more indepth? Yes!
Since this thread is about the future of the CCL, and since you're talking about changes to the training of ISD volunteers, would it be appropriate for you to detail how they were originally trained and how you are changing the training to better prepare them? Perhaps the community has some insights into the training.
ISD Eshtir wrote:Will you believe my words? Probably not, but i will let my actions speak for me. Though that will take some time.
You're sounding a little defensive. If my posts have you feeling that way, I apologize. I was not directly impacted by the incidents and only have a clinical interest in discussing how to move forward from them.
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Were either of you grievously wronged by their actions? They have nothing to apologize for, definitely not because a couple of players demand it.
In my experience, an apology is appropriate when a mistake has been committed, regardless of the impact of that mistake. YMMV.
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(*) As English is perhaps not your first language, allow me to offer a more precise description than "witty". Witty implies humor with an absence of malice. Those remarks in the other threads you mention seem to have some malice behind them, so "biting comment" or "sniping" is a better description.
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Posted - 2012.06.27 18:32:00 -
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ISD Tyrozan wrote:I look back at some of my actions and find that I wish I could retract them.
Bertrand Russell wrote:One of the painful things about our time is that those who feel certainty are stupid, and those with any imagination and understanding are filled with doubt and indecision.
Consequently, that you feel "doubt and uncertainty" about your prior acts speaks well of you.
In more vernacular: thanks for manning-up.
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Posted - 2012.08.30 14:34:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:Lets imagine that you knew of actual bad things, what would be more productive...presenting the same evidence that convinced you to the people responsible, or starting a thread about it without including any evidence?
Let's make your strawman a bit more real. Let's assume that starting a thread about it gets the powers-that-be involved in a day or two, while submitting a petition (in late July) gets them involved in a month or two. Which do *you* think is more effective?
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Posted - 2012.09.27 15:20:00 -
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I know next to nothing about the "behind the scenes" machinations of the "report post" flag. Does it send reports to senior CCL people when the flagged post is one from ISD? If not, can it be altered to do so? I'm thinking that doing a "report post" on ISD posts that I disagree with might provide an effective feedback on the quality of their ISD members' moderation.
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