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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.02.01 17:10:00 -
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Please don't reply to this thread until I have reserved 3 posts. once 3 posts are reserved I will edit in all the new sleeper info
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.02.01 17:16:00 -
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reserved
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.02.01 17:21:00 -
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CCP Dropbear
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Posted - 2010.02.01 18:18:00 -
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It may not make sense at first.
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Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Caldari
Tietokone-Uirusu
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Posted - 2010.02.01 21:29:00 -
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 Originally by: CCP Dropbear
It may not make sense at first.
Yes it does. 
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Daniel L'Siata
Gallente
Orbital Refining Enterprise
EDGE Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.02 12:47:00 -
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The CCP post pretty much confirmed there was substance here. And yes, it makes sense...this should be interesting indeed.
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Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Caldari
Tietokone-Uirusu
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Posted - 2010.02.02 16:42:00 -
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I love semantics. "The Mirror", for instance. What type of mirror is this in reference to? Hmm.
Indeed.
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Evanda Char
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.02.02 21:02:00 -
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Told you so :P
<3 Vitrauze Project
-Eva-
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Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Caldari
Tietokone-Uirusu
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Posted - 2010.02.02 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Evanda Char
Told you so :P
<3 Vitrauze Project
Did you now? I think you're getting a little ahead of the evidence.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.02.09 07:06:00 -
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We ran three Core Garrison sites last night and found no new information.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.02.16 22:38:00 -
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I believe I have now been though every class 5 site. I tried to use Salvager, hacking gear and archaeology gear on most sites: Nothing.
So far the story makes zero sense. Talocans are apparently sleepers is about all I have made out. Talocans/Sleepers where researching lots of stuff like Terran artefacts and there was some sort of virus problem or quarantine areas for test subjects. There is no indication the Virus was anything to do with Terran stuff or if indeed it was a deadly Virus. Perhaps the quarantine areas are for test subjects.
The sleepers where differently researching there ancestry and Terren stuff. If I was to guess it would be there cryogrenics research with mutagen research was to come up with a way to sleep in a long voyage back to Earth space. Sleepers/Talocan did not die out but left on a trip home. But I cannot prove that. There AI perpetuation tech would be the drones to both keep them alive on the trip home and the same tech that keeps the sleepers sites in wormhole space.
Unless I have missed some vital bit of information is just doesn't make sense at all yet.
My next task is to put all the text into one document to read though all in one go. Perhaps that way will shed some light. Anyone else got other ideas?
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KaiserSoze434
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Posted - 2010.02.17 01:32:00 -
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I have a few. Going to be a long post because I'm a super nerd. I'm addressing the items listed in your pictures in the order you have them posted in your last link. I may be totally off, but I think this is MUCH more compelling than you're seeing.
1st screenshot-
1.1-3.3 Digital backup library (Fluff)
3.4-3.5 Terran Artifacts (Self explanatory. They were studying them.)
4.1 Theories of the EVE gate (Self explanatory. Studying the EVE gate. The backstory states the original EVE gate was a naturally occurring wormhole. They were interested in wormhole phenomena)
5.1 Talocan Technology (The Talocan are NOT the sleepers as far as I can tell. In the skill database the skill sleeper tech refers to sleepers as masters of virtual reality, neural interfacing and cryotechnology. The same database lists the Talocan as masters of spatial manipulation and hypereuclidian mathematics.)
6.1 - 6.9 Emergent ideologies (Emergence refers to complex systems and patterns arising out of many simple interactions. An ideology is a set of aims and ideas that directs one's goals, expectations, and actions.)
So from this screenshot we can reasonably surmise that the Sleepers were masters of VR, cryotech, and neural interfacing. That they were possessed Terran artifacts and presumably had some interest in their Terran roots. That they were knowledgeable and interested in natural WH phenomena that they had begun to at least theorize on their attributes and origins. That they were studying recoverd Talocan tech, which likely involved spatial manipulation and hypereuclidian mathematics. Hypereuclidian mathematics is a wild read, but it seems to me from googleling that this would be a reference to spatial calculations progressing far beyond 3 dimensions. We can also surmise from the final entry's inclusion in this archive that the things they were learning along the above lines had begun to alter their views of everything. All of the information the Sleepers were gaining about their origins, WH phenomena, and spatial manipulation and high level calculation of spatial relationships was leading to complex ideologies emerging within their own society and understanding. "Ideologies" is what is said, not "Ideology" so it can be assumed that there were different/conflicting ideologies developing at once. Their goals, expectations, and actions were changing based on what they were learning along the above lines.
Now consider that the only way to sleeper space are WH's. WH's that inexplicably just began to open and close one day and still do on a daily basis with clear patterns being seen. Notice that the Sleepers colonized many systems, but no sort of stargate has ever been found. It is possible, given what we no know the Sleepers were studying it is entirely possible that the current WH phenomena are NOT natural, but are the method the Sleepers used for transportation. If true then the only possible explanations I see for the new WH activity is that they're generated by some remnant of Sleeper transportation systems on autopilot OR the WH's are occurring as part of an intelligent plan. The Sleepers' mastery of cryotech, VR, and neural interfacing combined with study of spatial manipulation and complex dimensions indicates that it is at least possible that the Sleepers are not in fact gone or dead, but hidden right in front of us.
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KaiserSoze434
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Posted - 2010.02.17 01:56:00 -
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The medical enclave is a little easier. Emergency, triage, and stasis are pretty self explanatory. The stasis entry is a little compelling as it comes before the quarantine sectors. Stasis could conceivably be a part of hyper-advanced medicine, or it could be relevant specifically to this facility. Notice that the triage section is large in comparison to the emergency and stasis fields followed by 4 quarantines that are also labeled in an interesting way.
Its possible that this set up is designed to indicate a linear process. Patients get treated in emergency, triaged (a large triage entry indicates a LOT of patients), moved to stasis (maybe for processing?), and then placed in quarantine based on some sort of attribute. Notice that quarantine sector C appears to be significantly bigger than the others. Having a final quarantine sector X is interesting too. A-C sectors seem to indicate a possible progression of a condition, with the majority of patients warranting C sector. Breaking from that nomenclature might indicate that sector X was for cases that were very atypical or bizarre.
It has been mentioned that the Sleeper's may have been affected by a virus. I'd like to point out that you don't just quarantine things infected by a virus or biological danger. You quarantine anything that is dangerous and contagious. We know that the Sleepers were masters of cryotech, neural interfacing, and VR. We can also make an educated guess from the archive directory that the Sleepers where undergoing multiple shifts in their understanding and goals. Perhaps they were quarantining dangerous ideologies and/or neural connections with a dangerous entity?
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KaiserSoze434
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Posted - 2010.02.17 02:19:00 -
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I've got nothing for the oruze enclave. Maybe a subject people or race? They seem to be heavily involved in power generations or possibly large scale stellar engineering. The rest of the entrys seem pretty generic except for a few.
-Deanimation genealogy research library. Kind of reads like they had so many people in stasis that they had to research their relations when they woke up.
- Multiple ancestry research. Multiple human racial ancestors or human + alien ancestors?
-Mixed intelligence displays. Sounds like displays for 2 or more different kinds of intelligence. Human and AI maybe? Alien?
- Non natural teleology. WOW. Teleology is the study of design and purpose. Study of the design and purpose of something not natural.
- Virtual mutation. Sounds like AI, virtual machines, and/or connections mutating. This could be a big deal considering the Sleepers were big on neural interfacing.
- Emergent systems design. Its a huge entry. They were apparently very interested in pulling all of the things they were studying into some sort of hyper-complex system.
- Artificial intelligence perpetuation technology. Adds an interesting level to the idea that something they built/discovered got away from them.
-Interstellar surveillance task force. Gives credence to the idea that the Sleepers were/are watching us.
Really compelling stuff.
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AdmiralJohn
The Unknown Bar and Pub
Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.17 03:36:00 -
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I think the above poster is on the right trail, but is thinking too literally.
Emergent ideologies
I think the key term here is "emergent". The reference to complexities stemming from simple interactions probably relates to the wormhole systems, which were intentional. I say they are intentional from a small reference in this chronicle:
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Nor could they know that the ancient race which had placed them there possessed not only a vision beyond the grasp of today's science, but also the technological advancement necessary to realize its potential.
which references the isogen deposits. Likely, they were studying the pattern of wormholes that such a reaction would create.
Talocan and Sleepers
Judging by how the sites are often found mixed together, I surmise that the two races were cooperating on this project. The Talocan were likely developing the methods to make a passage to Earth feasable (via instigating a Eve-type wormhole) and the Sleepers developing a "sleeper ship" to facilitate moving an entire colony of people. This leads to the next point:
Medical Stuff
I think the medical parts represent not a hospital so much as an "assembly line". Talocan / Sleeper colonists are put into cryo via Sleeper technology, and the third largest building is where the cryo-ed colonists are kept until the sleeper ship departs for Earth.
The Other Stuff
De-animation is research into reanimating people from the sleeper ship. The other things play into that.
The Journey
My opinion is that the Talocans could only approximate the location of their super-wormhole, hence the creation of the sleeper ship. The colonists on the ship would all be in cryo, so evidently an advanced AI would be needed to deal with any dangers that were encountered back in the Milky Way. They devolved the systems to the point of near-sentience, so that it could adapt and protect the colonists on the journey. The interstellar task force was designed to do the scouting of the Milky Way / wherever the ship(s) landed.
Why Quarantine?
I don't think the quarantine was to protect the outside from whatever was at the sites. Much as astronauts today are quarantined before going into space to prevent sickness in close spaces, the colonists were sequestered from the outside during cryo so as to prevent a disease from making its way onto the sleeper ship.
All in all, this is just a wild guess. However, I feel that this properly ties together all the threads, and appeals to my sense of adventure at the same time 
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KaiserSoze434
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Posted - 2010.02.17 06:30:00 -
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Originally by: AdmiralJohn
I think the key term here is "emergent". The reference to complexities stemming from simple interactions probably relates to the wormhole systems, which were intentional. I say they are intentional from a small reference in this chronicle:
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Nor could they know that the ancient race which had placed them there possessed not only a vision beyond the grasp of today's science, but also the technological advancement necessary to realize its potential.
which references the isogen deposits. Likely, they were studying the pattern of wormholes that such a reaction would create.
Thats a good point, but it doesn't cover the inclusion of ideologies in the directory. I certainly agree that the cataclysmic event that preceded the WHs appears intentional, and many solar events having a cosmic effect certainly counts as emergence. However, I just can't get around the specific use of the term ideology, which implies some sort of belief system or operative philosophy. The reference seems to go beyond the use of emergence in intergalactic spatial engineering.
Originally by: AdmiralJohn
Talocan and Sleepers
Cooperation and sleeper ship premise
I just don't see any evidence of that. A single entry in an archive about Talocan technology doesn't imply active cooperation to me, just interest and study. The sleeper ship concept seems really counterintuitive. Even if it was a given that the Sleepers wanted to return to Earth, which it isn't, why build a giant cryogenic ship if your goal is to engineer a giant WH to get there instantaneously? Cryo-ships are for people who are way below the level the Sleepers would have been at, if they did have some sort of technology to generate WHs.
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Medical Stuff
I doubt it, as the Talocan/Sleeper collaboration just doesn't seem plausible to me. However, the idea that the quarantine was to protect or sequester something is compelling though. Unfortunately medical assembly lines for routine or semi-routine procedures do not begin with "Emergency" and "Triage". If the medical directory does indeed indicate a process then the first two steps indicate that something was going very wrong. I hadn't considered it until your idea, but it seems really plausible that the quarantine was for the Sleepers that were still unaffected. That would explain the vanished society with no sign of violence.
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De-animation is research into reanimating people from the sleeper ship. The other things play into that.
That just doesn't make sense. de-animation is not reanimation. As a matter of fact they're exact opposites.
Not buying the sleeper ship idea. Once you have WHs popping up there are way easier ways to find what you're looking for. The quarantine addition you made is really good though. I really get the feeling that the Sleepers were engineering something that got away from them. I can buy the idea that the Talocan made the superweapon/WH catalyst, but I don't think they did it for the reason you've stated (find earth). The chronicle you linked states that the reaction involved isogen-5 both within and outside New Eden placed by an ancient society. If they already had the ability to distribute isogen-5 across those distances in a precise configuration to cause some kind of resonance effect when the weapon was used the idea that it was to make a super WH is moot. Whoever placed the isogen-5 was apparently advanced WAY beyond the need to create a random superwormhole in a random location and then hope to find it.
Anyone else wondering about the drone angle? A good amount of the Sleeper directories mention AI proliferation and things like that. IIRC the chronicle where hte superweapon is introduced has it surrounded by rogue drones, and the Sleeper defenses are basically extremely advanced drone AIs (as far as we know).
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.02.17 08:09:00 -
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KaiserSoze434 said "5.1 Talocan Technology (The Talocan are NOT the sleepers as far as I can tell. In the skill database the skill sleeper tech refers to sleepers as masters of virtual reality, neural interfacing and cryotechnology. The same database lists the Talocan as masters of spatial manipulation and hypereuclidian mathematics.)"
KaiserSoze434 I really like what you posted but you need a little of the history not just the info at the database. Those skills you are referring to are about Talocan and Sleepers in Empire space years before wormholes opened up. There was no, well little indication they worked together until wormhole space (*). As for wormhole space indeed Sleepers and Talocan are often together in. Also last night I found my first Talocan ship. It has had sleeper loot inside and the special loot was a Talocan hull section mistakenly indentify as a derelict structure the with text on that says ancient sleeper hull fragments. blah, blah blah, uncover the secret to sleeper hull designs. Basically tons of reference's to being sleepers in Talocan ships.
* http://www.eve-search.com/thread/734344/page/1#14 I posted this theory a while back on how the Talocan, sleepers and 2 other old race merged into one race. Even back then there was hints the Talocan and Sleepers where working together. Recent evidence backs this up more.
As for the quarantine there is more then what I posted. Other sites mention a quarantine. I need to dig up the info.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.02.17 08:19:00 -
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The Yan Jung nation possessed self repairing buildings that use nano tech with power sourceÆs that last over 1000Æs years without fuel. So I still believe they are linked to the Sleepers and they are hints the Yan Jung left for the middile kindom which I think at first was wormhole space then they moved on again.
"The Yan Jung and Talocan raceÆs where very advance in Spatial manipulation, Hypereuclidean Mathematics, advanced gravitronic technology and force field theories. Hypereuclidean Mathematics or Hyper euclidean Mathematics is sometimes used when talking about Hyper cubes and other space dimensions beyond 4. Add this with advanced gravitronic technology and force field theories and you have the basics for non-linear teleportation without the use of wormholes,"
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.02.17 11:07:00 -
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Forgotten Frontier Quarantine Outpost class 3
" "You have entered a quarantine area. This region is infected. Leave now. Violation of the quarantine will result in -".
"-missiles are armed , ready to-"
A Talocan site guarded by sleepers.
There is also a Quarantine Area in a class 5 which for some reason I don't have the text recorded.
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Mephiston Lucius
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Posted - 2010.02.17 19:28:00 -
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ccp created worm holes they needed some new "hostile" "things" gave a little bit story and left it like that..
supposedly there was lots of "npc corps" researching them..
nothing came out of it..
seems to me after expansion they just "lost" interest on wh's..
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Gerard Deneth
Caldari
Pavlov Labs GmBH
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Posted - 2010.02.21 11:48:00 -
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One more thing that occured to me reccently was "where is this other galaxy that the sleepers are in?"
We know that there are two galaxies that are/were colonized: New Eden, and The Milky Way. The sleepers aren't in New Eden, so are they in The Milky Way, or in some third galaxy? If it is a third, then why did they go there? Is it partway to the Milky way, an outgrowth of their research into the EVE gate in order to perhaps get home? Did some unknown catastrophie hit them in this new galaxy, or is the Sleeper Galaxy the Milky Way, and we are dealing with the remmnants of a lost terran civilization? In which case, why are the planets devoid of all life...
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.02.21 18:14:00 -
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The Sleepers could be in the New Eden Galaxy. A Galaxy is a big place and New Eden is only a very small fraction of the full Galaxy. There are also Sleeper sites in the known part of New Eden space.
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Daniel L'Siata
Gallente
DaneTek
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Posted - 2010.02.22 11:20:00 -
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So far, the most interesting thing here has been the Qarantine Site text...perhaps the Sleepers were not into Cryogenics as a way to get back to the Milky Way (Speaking of which, I'm throwing myself onto the "Wormholes were created to get back to Earth side"). Perhaps they were escaping a disease? Having a few thousand AI's to look after you while asleep is hardly a bad idea in addition. A massive disease or similar event would also explain the distinct lack of life in Wormhole systems.
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Mephiston Lucius
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Posted - 2010.02.23 18:04:00 -
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well we lived in Class 5 Wh like 4 month and deal with c3-c4 nearly all kind sites i didnt get any impression about some "Earth" gate production or anything similar..
they got some plague and tried to contain it but some of them failed / at one site there was a recorded msg cant remember full context but its says "all hope lost... something something help to those who left behind.." so i'm sure it was some plague cripled talocans.. and they tried to run to Wh space with helps of sleepers /sleepers good at virtual realty.. so i think maybe they tried to go in cryogen with virtual realty support.. so their bodies frozen but stay their mind connected ofc its a wild guess thats all
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Mielono
Caldari
SWARTA
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Posted - 2010.02.23 18:56:00 -
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Could they all be alive inside the sleeper database... cryogenic sleep plus vr realm plus thousands of self sustaining machines. Some of the devices that we get out of the sleepers make absolutely no sense, perhaps they are hoping that the wormhole network will connect to something someday and they are prepping everyone to be sent in one bang once they find a way through.
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Koro Sarum
Amarr
G-Force Enterprises
Looney Toons.
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Posted - 2010.02.28 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: Mielono
Could they all be alive inside the sleeper database... cryogenic sleep plus vr realm plus thousands of self sustaining machines. Some of the devices that we get out of the sleepers make absolutely no sense, perhaps they are hoping that the wormhole network will connect to something someday and they are prepping everyone to be sent in one bang once they find a way through.
The first part of what your saying makes me think of the Ascent to Transcendence from Alpha Centauri which I personally believe is similar to that happened to the sleepers
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Anslo
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2010.03.01 00:32:00 -
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Ok Pottsey I need to dispel your idea about this middle kingdom BS.
Ok, so we all pretty much know that the Yan Jung were Chinese based simply on their
1) name
2) the utensil relics, aka CHOPSTICKS
Let me teach you a little Chinese :)
China in actual chinese is 中国(zhong guo).
中 means middle, zhong
国 means kingdom, guo
中国=middle kingdom...
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THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT CHINA PEOPLE. Jesus....
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.03.01 07:49:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 01/03/2010 07:50:05
Anslo said " Ok Pottsey I need to dispel your idea about this middle kingdom BS."
So let me get this right. I think The Yan Jung left for the mysterious middle Kingdom with the first stop off point being their colonized systems in faraway places. Faraway place possibly referring to wormhole space, they moved on again from the faraway place. You're saying the Middle Kingdom is there original home on Earth.
How does you saying there original home on Earth is China prove me wrong or make what I am saying BS?
You have not dispelled my idea the Yan Jung left for the middle kingdom. You gave a location for the middle Kingdom, a place the Yan Jung are trying to get to: Back home. That does not make what I say BS.
So it looks like the Yan Jung, Sleepers and Talocan where all trying to get back home and I often suspected all 3 worked together. Two have which have now been confirmed petty much to worked together. I think 3 or 4 of the old race's teamed up or became 1 race to try and get back to Earth 1000's of years ago. Along the way they ended up in wormhole space.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.03.08 07:08:00 -
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Another major find all the below text is a copy and past from Asbalon Jade who made a post on our corp forum where we talk about the story.
http://asbalon.as.funpic.de/Bilder/Eve/drones/info.jpg
My eyes pop out and sure enough.. a zoom in reviels its true nature:
http://asbalon.as.funpic.de/Bilder/Eve/drones/live.jpg
Its without a doubt a sleeper cruiser, in Kspace, infecting empire drones to build... something
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Lancashirian
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Posted - 2010.06.01 02:33:00 -
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What system was this in k-space? |
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