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Pottsey
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Posted - 2010.02.01 17:10:00 -
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Please don't reply to this thread until I have reserved 3 posts. once 3 posts are reserved I will edit in all the new sleeper info
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2010.02.01 17:16:00 -
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2010.02.01 17:21:00 -
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2010.02.09 07:06:00 -
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We ran three Core Garrison sites last night and found no new information.
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2010.02.16 22:38:00 -
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I believe I have now been though every class 5 site. I tried to use Salvager, hacking gear and archaeology gear on most sites: Nothing.
So far the story makes zero sense. Talocans are apparently sleepers is about all I have made out. Talocans/Sleepers where researching lots of stuff like Terran artefacts and there was some sort of virus problem or quarantine areas for test subjects. There is no indication the Virus was anything to do with Terran stuff or if indeed it was a deadly Virus. Perhaps the quarantine areas are for test subjects.
The sleepers where differently researching there ancestry and Terren stuff. If I was to guess it would be there cryogrenics research with mutagen research was to come up with a way to sleep in a long voyage back to Earth space. Sleepers/Talocan did not die out but left on a trip home. But I cannot prove that. There AI perpetuation tech would be the drones to both keep them alive on the trip home and the same tech that keeps the sleepers sites in wormhole space.
Unless I have missed some vital bit of information is just doesn't make sense at all yet.
My next task is to put all the text into one document to read though all in one go. Perhaps that way will shed some light. Anyone else got other ideas?
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2010.02.17 08:09:00 -
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KaiserSoze434 said "5.1 Talocan Technology (The Talocan are NOT the sleepers as far as I can tell. In the skill database the skill sleeper tech refers to sleepers as masters of virtual reality, neural interfacing and cryotechnology. The same database lists the Talocan as masters of spatial manipulation and hypereuclidian mathematics.)"
KaiserSoze434 I really like what you posted but you need a little of the history not just the info at the database. Those skills you are referring to are about Talocan and Sleepers in Empire space years before wormholes opened up. There was no, well little indication they worked together until wormhole space (*). As for wormhole space indeed Sleepers and Talocan are often together in. Also last night I found my first Talocan ship. It has had sleeper loot inside and the special loot was a Talocan hull section mistakenly indentify as a derelict structure the with text on that says ancient sleeper hull fragments. blah, blah blah, uncover the secret to sleeper hull designs. Basically tons of reference's to being sleepers in Talocan ships.
* http://www.eve-search.com/thread/734344/page/1#14 I posted this theory a while back on how the Talocan, sleepers and 2 other old race merged into one race. Even back then there was hints the Talocan and Sleepers where working together. Recent evidence backs this up more.
As for the quarantine there is more then what I posted. Other sites mention a quarantine. I need to dig up the info.
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2010.02.17 08:19:00 -
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The Yan Jung nation possessed self repairing buildings that use nano tech with power sourceÆs that last over 1000Æs years without fuel. So I still believe they are linked to the Sleepers and they are hints the Yan Jung left for the middile kindom which I think at first was wormhole space then they moved on again.
"The Yan Jung and Talocan raceÆs where very advance in Spatial manipulation, Hypereuclidean Mathematics, advanced gravitronic technology and force field theories. Hypereuclidean Mathematics or Hyper euclidean Mathematics is sometimes used when talking about Hyper cubes and other space dimensions beyond 4. Add this with advanced gravitronic technology and force field theories and you have the basics for non-linear teleportation without the use of wormholes,"
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2010.02.17 11:07:00 -
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Forgotten Frontier Quarantine Outpost class 3
" "You have entered a quarantine area. This region is infected. Leave now. Violation of the quarantine will result in -".
"-missiles are armed , ready to-"
A Talocan site guarded by sleepers.
There is also a Quarantine Area in a class 5 which for some reason I don't have the text recorded.
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2010.02.21 18:14:00 -
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The Sleepers could be in the New Eden Galaxy. A Galaxy is a big place and New Eden is only a very small fraction of the full Galaxy. There are also Sleeper sites in the known part of New Eden space.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.03.01 07:49:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 01/03/2010 07:50:05
Anslo said " Ok Pottsey I need to dispel your idea about this middle kingdom BS."
So let me get this right. I think The Yan Jung left for the mysterious middle Kingdom with the first stop off point being their colonized systems in faraway places. Faraway place possibly referring to wormhole space, they moved on again from the faraway place. You're saying the Middle Kingdom is there original home on Earth.
How does you saying there original home on Earth is China prove me wrong or make what I am saying BS?
You have not dispelled my idea the Yan Jung left for the middle kingdom. You gave a location for the middle Kingdom, a place the Yan Jung are trying to get to: Back home. That does not make what I say BS.
So it looks like the Yan Jung, Sleepers and Talocan where all trying to get back home and I often suspected all 3 worked together. Two have which have now been confirmed petty much to worked together. I think 3 or 4 of the old race's teamed up or became 1 race to try and get back to Earth 1000's of years ago. Along the way they ended up in wormhole space.
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2010.03.08 07:08:00 -
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Another major find all the below text is a copy and past from Asbalon Jade who made a post on our corp forum where we talk about the story.
http://asbalon.as.funpic.de/Bilder/Eve/drones/info.jpg
My eyes pop out and sure enough.. a zoom in reviels its true nature:
http://asbalon.as.funpic.de/Bilder/Eve/drones/live.jpg
Its without a doubt a sleeper cruiser, in Kspace, infecting empire drones to build... something
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2010.06.01 07:50:00 -
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Lancashirian said " What system was this in k-space?"
Sorry I don't remember. It was mission 50 in the last mission in the Blood-Stained Stars Epic arc. If you could find to guides on that arc they should say what sector it's in.
I was just going over our old Sleeper screenshot and spotted this one I forget to post months back. It looks pretty important to me http://asbalon.as.funpic.de/Bilder/Eve/New/2010.02.20.15.54.53.jpg taken by Asbalon Jade my wormhole friend.
Anyone know any real good wormhole corps I could join?
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.06.24 19:36:00 -
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The Zephyr is not Jove and I found no extra info by using it. Although it does make gathering info easier.
There is a Jove shuttle but the Zephyr is a Sisters of Eve Shuttle
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.07.08 07:16:00 -
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Salria Usenheart said "Jove 1st Empire ruled for 9000 years before they edited themselves too much and destroyed their basic instincts"
Something unknown that the Elders did collapsed the 1st Jove empire that lasted 9000years. It was the 2nd Jove empire that edited themselves too much and destroyed their basic instincts. We are now on the 3rd Jove empire.
Salria Usenheart said "The backstory on sleepers states that they were part of the human corporations that came through the eve gate before it was destroyed and like the Jove survived that closing well, and expanded in the time before the 4 player races took to the stars."
Please show a link to that, I don't recall it at all and if its correct is very interesting. I have a large collection of all sleeper lore so I would like to add that bit in.
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2010.07.28 20:10:00 -
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CCP Dropbear thanks for that post. Now I need to reread back and figure out which theory I said I didn't like but was plausible.
Well if I was wrong, I was wrong, time to go back and trace some steps. Without re reading the thing that sticks in my mind the most is the power source from the sun. I remember saying something like that was plausible but I didn't like it.
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2010.07.28 20:31:00 -
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CCP Dropbear said " Auwnie Morohe said it. Pottsey said it too, but didn't like the theory because it's plausible yet boring (bluntly paraphrasing here)."
I believe Dropbear was referring to this post http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1314015&page=1#27
Where my fanboyism of the Yan Jung race overrode the common sense answer of the sun.
I really need to a find a good wormhole corp. Its killing me not being able to continue research ideas.
So certain sleeper sites are storage sites for solo power. But what is that power used for. Is it just to keep the basics running or something else. I believe the solo power is more than just to keep life support and the basics running.
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2010.07.28 20:47:00 -
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Gouzu Kho said " a google search gave this picture: oruze"
They could be solar collectors or solar wings for movements. Imagine there is some sort of electronic net or as the sun rays go between the beams they interact with something.
At a long shot I would guess Sleepers and most likely the Talocan are Jove. When the 1st Jove Empire splintered these two factions did not fully or not at all reunite with the rest of the Jove when Miko Bour united the Jovian forming the 2nd empire. We have already seen Sleepers and Talocan share the same buildings (in that the same building are listed as Sleeper in one place and Talocan in another) and Talocan ships have Sleeper hulls. I am 92% convinced both the Sleepers and Talocan are the same race just different groups or from different timeframes. There are other indications of sleepers being Jove. Most likely as we are looking at Jove from over 3000+ perhaps 8000+ years ago we do not recognise the style as today's Jove.
Now the quarantine could be the Jovian Disease but I thought the Jovian Disease was the downfall of the 2nd Joe empire and the indicting are the Sleepers and Taolcan are from when the 1st Jove empire splintered.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKwDmvCiTEw in HD has some great positions of the site in question.
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2010.07.28 20:58:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 28/07/2010 20:59:14
For many Jovians their race is in the twilight of their greatness. Ever since the fall of the first empire the Jovian society have been in a slow, steady decline. Most blame the Jovian Disease for this and believe that the Jovians can only hope to turn the tide once a cure for the disease has been found. The Stasis People are Jovians that voluntarily go into cryo-stasis for decades or centuries, hoping that when they wake a bright and better world will greet them."[/i]
That sounds a lot like the Sleepers who are a race in habitation. Add that with the all the minor Jove reference's in buildings over different sites and the Oruze Construct which looks like that Jove Shuttle and it's a decent chance the Sleepers are the Stasis People.
Although I posted this before. I think it could be usefull to post again in this thread.
When did the second Jove Empire collapse?"
Short answer around 17261 to 17562 was when the 1st Jove empire collapse.
The 2nd Jove empire collapse somewhere between 500 and 3000 years ago.
As for why the first empire collapsed no one knows apart from its something the Elders did.
Now for the long answer. Before you start reading please note I based all my data from AD 23236 (YC 0) For those that are unaware the current date is YC 112 or 23348. So my numbers might be off by a few years. For example if the lore says the 2nd Jove empire was founded 500 years ago without a reference to the current date I assume the date that info was posted was AD 23236 (YC 0).
I cannot pinpoint times precisely but the Jove First Empire was founded a few centuries after the Eve gate shut. That puts the timeline around 8261 to 8562 depending on precisely what a few centuries means. I assume it means between 200 and 500. The empire lasted 9000 years. Putting us around 17261 to 17562 for when the 1st empire collapsed.
The 2nd empire was united more than 3000 years ago by Miko Bour." More then" usually in the content of years like that only means a little over 3000. But we don't know what year that was a reference from. Assuming it is from the year AD 23236 The 2nd Empire formed around 20216 possibly a few 100 years before. (out of interest the The Society of Conscious was also funded 3000 years ago right at the same time as the new empire)
So we have a 2654 ish year gap with a possible 2nd dark age or timeframe of bad times for the Jove. The way the 2nd empire was united by one Jove is to me suggesting the Jove had splintered into groups since the 1st empire. Perhaps not all groups united. With backs up some peoples theory's of the Sleepers being Jove.
The 3rd Empire was funded half a millennium ago around 22736. We don't know how long the 2nd Jove empire lasted or how long the collapse was between and 2nd and 3rd empires. But logically the 2nd Jove empire collapsed somewhere between 500 and 3000 years ago as it cannot have collapsed before the 2nd empire was funded and it must have collapsed before the 3rd empire was funded. We do know the 2nd Jove empire was devastation of the Jovian Disease
For those interested "The Heaven constellation was the home of the First and Second Jovian Empires, both larger and grander than their current Third Empire."
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2010.07.28 21:08:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 28/07/2010 21:14:49
EDITED In the correct quote
"Emergent system development is said to have been an early focal point in Jovian software design, where they hoped to create an atmosphere in which an advanced system could self-assemble its own consciousness and thus ôemergeö as a sentient being. What became of these projects remains unknown, although the Jovians appear to have abandoned these pursuits many millennia ago in favor of something more tangible and containable."."
If the Sleepers /Stasis people are from the First Jove empire they would be from many millennia ago. Then perhaps when the 1st Jove empire splintered the Jove sleeper group kept the emergent research. Or perhaps the Sleeper drones are the abandoned pursuits from many millennia ago.
I would theorise that the Sleeper network is meant to be a massive computer network AI that is meant to self-assemble its own consciousness via an Emergent system design. All powered by the sun giving it as much time as it needs to developed. With the long team goals of finding a cure and awakening the stasis people it creators in a manner of speaking. Each sleeper site is sort of a node and we see massive amounts of data being sent from site to site just like a massive network AI. Drones are sort of like the cells and antibodies keeping the body (network) working.
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2010.07.28 21:46:00 -
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Gouzu Kho said "Why should it be about finding a cure ?"
It doesn't have to be about a cure and you could well be right. But I assume the Sleepers are the Jove Stasis People. The Jove Stasis people hope to wake up in a bright better world free of the Jovian Disease. Assuming the sleepers are the Stasis People it makes more sense to me if the Sleepers created the Emergent system design to form its own consciousness to find them a cure then the consciousness of the universe.
I assume this Sleeper network was created after the 1st Jove empire or near its end. When the 2nd Jove Empire collapsed the Jove had to abandon the network as they no longer had the numbers or ability to maintain the network. Perhaps not even the resource's or technology anymore due to lost tech.
The Sleeper network is a massive project they were forced to abandon in my mind.
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Posted - 2010.07.28 22:54:00 -
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Istvaan Shogaatsu said " On the other, it could be a subtle hint of early Jovian (Sleeper?) influence on the Amarr. Suns and eclipses... circles and rays."
Didn't someone post someplace that early Amaar scriptures sound like an advance space faring race landed on the planet. The way the scriptures sounded was how a none space race would describe a spaceship landing and taking off.
Another thing of interest mentioned in the Jove channel was the Zephyr is solar powered or solar wind powered. The sleepers seem to have a high focus on the sun and they do not shoot the Zephrye.
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Posted - 2010.07.29 08:55:00 -
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Nikilaiki Ruutarhara said "I'm also sorry, but I don't believe that there will be anything happening in-game beyond "oh look new pop ups", and even then, It's not worth the months of brainstorming to find out my original hypothesis is correct."
That's one bit I partly agree with. Unless there is hidden information or something very clear we are all missing then we will not form a single theory. I have to admit I am enjoying "At this point in time it's about all of you guys working together, developing theories, and developing consensus about them. "
But I do not believe we will get past the 3rd point based on current data. The data we need is hidden in so much static and noise like Nikilaiki said that I do not see us players forming a single theory or developing a consensus.
The problem is we have no way to know which theory is correct and not enough information to prove or disprove many of the theory's. Until we get more information we players will all back different theory's or players like me and others will post wildly different theory's and have no idea which is the correct one. Right now there is no way for us players will gain consensus about one single theory. The biggest problem is not knowing which ideas are right and which are wrong.
On the whole I am enjoying this but I do feel a bit stalemated right now. All we are doing is coming up with different ideas on the same data. As much fun as this is, is also makes more noise and means less chance of forming a single consensus. I just hope there is more info hidden in game.
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Posted - 2010.07.29 09:30:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 29/07/2010 09:31:41
This is just a wild theory I am putting out there more for fun as its unlikely to be correct.
What if the Sleepers caused the Eve wormhole to collapse. The Sleepers who could be the Stasis Jove who where working on an Emergent system development. There whole Sleeper network forms one giant VR/network. What if the minds of the people in the VR network, mixed in with the Emergent system development and drone AI's formed one consciousness. The whole sleeper network self-assemble its own consciousness from the minds of the people in habitation plugged into VR, from the drones Emergent design and the sleeper sites Emergent design. This consciousness explosion mixed with the Eve gate which turned the wormhole into a giant vassal for the consciousness.
This is why the wormhole is described as getting angry lashing out and destroying the Jove ship. It is also why the Jove say the Eve gate is not what everyone thinks it is.
The Eve wormhole is one giant consciousness and this is why the Jove abandoned Emergent design research. (Yes I know the timelines do not match for this to be true, unless the wormhole/consciousness goes though time)
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Posted - 2010.07.29 09:58:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 29/07/2010 09:59:53
Nikilaiki Ruutarhara said "So, the Big Bad = the Society of Conscious Thought, AKA The Order, AKA The Enheduanni? I'm sure there's more evidence out there, and more pieces of the puzzle, but I'm fairly certain I'm on the right track here."
I like most of your theory apart from the bit about the Society of Conscious Thought being the Enheduanni.
Your idea does seem like the type of thing I could see the Society of Conscious Thought doing but there are a few problems. The first is, I do not think the Society of Conscious Thought are old enough at 300 years. But this is easily be solved by saying they are much older being a secretive shadow organisation before being public funded corp 300 years ago. Very plausible so that problem solved.
But two next problems that are harder to explain away. The Society of Conscious Thought would have to have technology so advance the rest of t Jove cannot even understand how it could work, let alone develop it. Possible, they might have found some old terrain tech, we know they search for old artefacts but it feels very unlikely to me.
But the big problem in the chronicles End of the world series. What I believe to be the Enheduanni worked directly against the Society of Conscious Thought interests. When the wormholes where created wasn't it the Society of Conscious Thought who tried to get hold of the terrain weapon? But what I believe to be the Enheduanni blow up the weapon and Isogen 5 causing the wormholes completely ruining the Society of Conscious Thought plan? That's a harder one to explain away. Perhaps infighting with the Enheduanni?
Nikilaiki Ruutarhara said " I wonder, have they infiltrated all the Empires, including the Jove?"
The Society of Conscious Thought having strategically placed individuals and influencing the names we give to the old race's is very plausible. Well they did it with the Jove with a shadow government and they did it with the Sisters of Eve. Who's to say they have not done it with everyone else. It fits them and I would be more surprise if they had not tried it with other governments.
Nikilaiki Ruutarhara said "What we're seeing is the Society of Conscious Thought's ultimate goal. Apotheosis."
I like the idea that they stumbled across the Sleeper network and realised it could be used for there ultimate goal. They want the network for themselves but need a plan.
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Posted - 2010.07.29 10:38:00 -
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Auwnie Morohe said " So who is going to be the first one there?
1 Talocan cruiser BPO for me please Mr Sleepyhead. "
In the unlikely event there is a reward I hope it's not just for the person who comes up with the final theory. But for everyone that contributed a notable amount. Like dropbear said before it's not something one single person can do by them self.
Although I am pretty sure many of us here are not doing this for a reward. To me it does not matter who is the first one there. Only that we contributed ideas that helped the final idea.
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Posted - 2010.07.30 08:56:00 -
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Henri Rearden said "-missiles are armed, ready to -"
About this, CCP Jasonitas said: Who said that's Sleeper stuff? Looks like Talocan structures to me."
Both the Sleepers and Talocan are looking more and more the same. You have a building labelled as Talocan then an identical building labelled as Sleeper. You have Sleeper hulls and Sleeper loot inside Talocan ships and buildings. You have Sleeper drones guarding Talocan buildings.
There must be a difference between Talocan and Sleeper. My believe is both are the same race from different time points.
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Posted - 2010.07.31 19:31:00 -
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There are hints the Takmahl turned into the Blood Raiders. They also only date back 1000 to 2000 years making them relatively young compared to the Jove or Yan Jung.
I assume the Sleepers and Talocan are also as old as the Jove and Yan Jung and my instinct says the Talocan are older then Sleepers but I cannot prove that.
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Posted - 2010.08.02 08:40:00 -
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Helena Ianikova said "Let's take a simple proposition; Both the Talocan and Sleeper structures are dead. There is no life. Why is that?"
Many of the sites are far from dead and very much active. As for people we do not know as we are limited by the game engine and cannot check if the habitation pods have people in or not. Some do not appear to have people but are active like "Although entirely functional and intact, the only signs of life within are electrical currents and the eerily constant transfers of data." others could have people we just don't know. For every dead site we find we find an alive site but have no way of checking insite the buildings. Is it right to say the Sleepers are dead? Are we really sure they dead and not inside the working sites?
Helena Ianikova said "-Did they run out of fuel for said drives?"
No they did not run out of fuel because they are using said drives to create Spatial Rift and jump around even all the way to empire space. If the drives are 1 jump between empire and wormhole space they have over a 1000 light year range. That means the Sleeper empire could be alive out there anyway. There could be a massive 100 star system or bigger empire we have not found. 1000light year range jump drive is massive. What if they made 3 jumps, what if that's not even the longest range? A Sleepers empire could be hiding way out of our known range just like the Jove move away from there space.
Helena Ianikova said "-Mode of transport is assumed to be a combination of acceleration gates."
We know they are nomads. So if they built acceleration gates leading to a new system all we are seeing are the old abandoned gates. With no reason to go back to old systems perhaps we are just seeing old unused leftovers. Not a dead race.
Asbalon Jade "Pottsey, maybe you can remember? I only know it was you opening the cans back then."
I don't remember the site name but do remember something like you described. I remember thinking at the time it looked like a reactor failed and blow up. But it could well have been a war.
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Posted - 2010.08.02 09:09:00 -
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What we really need to know and should be easy to find out but isn't as the game will not let us. Are the sleepers humans still inside the sites? Are the habitation pods active with alive humans inside? Are the habitation pods empty? Are the buildings full of dead body's? Are there zero body's at the sites?
These are major questions which answers a lot and should be easy to find out. Yet we have no way of knowing.
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Posted - 2010.08.02 10:24:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 02/08/2010 10:25:52
Helena Ianikova " Pottsey: The thing is, your main assumption here is that the Sleepers are behind the wormholes."
I am not sure they are behind the current wormholes we use. But I have seen sleeper drones directly create spatial rift's which are effectively mini temp wormholes and travel via them. They appear to have mastered wormholes and can create small temp wormholes as needed. That would also explain how they got from empire to wormhole space before todays random wormhols opened.
I didn't recognise the name from that story and didn't realise they bought the drones to empire. But still once the drone escaped its created its own wormholes to travel by. The question is did it make it back to sleeper space? I see now that the drone didn't make it from Wspace to empire by itself like I thought.
Helena Ianikova said " Also, if the Sleepers are using the wormholes, why aren't there invasions of K-space taking place?"
That's something that is planed or being thought about according to Eon.
Helena Ianikova said "Most of the warp-in messages say something to the effect of "this shows a pattern regarding the demise of the Sleepers".
Not sure about most I only counted 3 at a quick glance. Are those pop's out of game facts given to us and so are 100% correct. Or are they assumption by people in game so might be wrong?
The pops don't really make any sense if you think about them. They are important but what are they? Where are they coming from?
" Data is eternal, immortal, immutable. Even when the engineers and intelligence behind its creation are gone, information, facts, and knowledge never die. Throughout this deadspace pocket, information lives and breathes, whispering hidden meanings through conduits and cables. Serene though it may be, there are forces at work û mechanical by nature, artificial in existence, enlightened by unnatural choice û that do not want information to be shared. They are unsleeping guardians protecting the universeÆs slumbering god, knowledge."
For example who is saying that? Is that what's recorded in my ships database from previous in game visitors? Is it an out of game observer giving the info? Like a story teller mentioning something the characters in the story do not knew?
Perhaps Dropbear could clear this up. If it's like a story teller mentioning something the characters in the story do not knew then we have some facts like the Sleeper race is dead. If on the other hand its something like recording from older empire visitors it could well be wrong. If it is a recording in our database's from SoE or SOCT I don't trust it one bit.
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Posted - 2010.08.03 11:53:00 -
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Helena Ianikova said "You believe the wormholes are static? Is there proof of this?"
Static wormholes are used to describe those wormholes systems that have a static rule and always following that rule. For example you might live in a C3 wormhole that has a static C5 wormhole. That means every time the static wormhole close's and a new one opens it leads to a C5. You will still get none static wormholes in the system but the static wormhole will follow the rule like clock work.
There is 100% at least two types of wormholes. Random wormholes and static wormholes.
Ivvor is correct in saying there are vague patterns. Wormholes are split into regions and you are more likely to get a wormhole that leads into the same wormhole region then another. one of the C4 homes I had always had 1 wormhole to a C3 and around about 8 times out of 10 empire exists where to Amaar space.
I also tended to bump into the same few C3 wormholes time and time again (I book marked every wormhole system I went into). When we moved to a C6 wormhole we choose it as it has a static C5 wormhole. We also found we bumped into the same cycle of C5 wormholes.
In short most well established wormhole corps are aware of static wormholes. We make major use of them.
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Posted - 2010.08.03 12:00:00 -
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A map of wormhole space http://mikrolahti.fi/~wolf/whtcmap.png
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Posted - 2010.08.03 15:06:00 -
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There are further patterns to wormhole space. Exits to empire are more likely in the lower class wormholes while high class tend to be 0.0 exits with middle class low sec. Statics to empire would most likely only be found in C1s and other low class wormholes. I am not aware of any static wormholes jumping more than 1 class but that doesn't mean there are not any. I mean if I am in a C5 the static would either be 1 down to C4 or 1 up to C6. Anyway know of statics that jump two classes of wormhole, say a C4 with a static cC6?
There are statics from both lower class systems to high class and the other way around.
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Posted - 2010.08.03 15:23:00 -
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Pretty sure a while back one of the devs said Oruze is not a Russian word. Oruze means home/storage. In the case of sleepers storage of solar energy.
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Posted - 2010.08.04 10:08:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 04/08/2010 10:09:03
Umega said "Is there any known reason for how the Jovian managed to rise up so quickly and go onward, relatively unscathed, after the EVE Gate 'collapse'? How did they manage, and every other settlement did not? How is it that settlements with 8000-AD tenchnology dive right back into stone ages, where did their ships and technology they brought go while one of them seemingly manage to either remain stable or excel (Jovian)?"
" every other settlement did not" is not really correct the Yan Jung also survived around as well as the Jove. I believe somewhere it was mentioned the Jove where further away from the Eve gate so the eve gate shock wave didn't hurt them as much. They were also better planets with more infrastructure so could replace lost equipment easier, could farm for food unlike other planets. But I cannot find this. In fact I cannot find where is said the Eve gate shut and a shock wave damaged surrounding systems. I am sure that was in the lore years back. All I can find are reference to all the planets in the Eve system being destroyed. I am sure it was an event similar to when wormholes opened. The Eve gate system planets where destroyed and as shockwave effected nearby systems. Anyone else remember this?
dane IV said " Was it the sleepers that collapsed the eve gate, etc."
The Eve gate collapsed naturally. It was always known it would collapse. The lore says it was a race against time and it wasn't the Wormhole that caused the problems.
There is one bit of lore and the story I bet many people forgot or are not aware off. From the first box manual.
"ItÆs 7700 AD and the human race has been colonizing their galaxy for 4000 years. It seems like the Golden Age of space faring is never going to end. Then a massive natural wormhole is discovered, leading to an unknown sector of the universe. This portal held endless possibilities of a new beginning for civilization, and was hence dubbed ôEVE.ö Lured by the promise of free settlements, entrepreneurs and independent organizations poured through the wormhole to stake their claims in this new land.
Scientists warned that the wormhole would close again within a few decades. Racing against time, construction began on a manmade
"Suddenly, the scientistsÆ worst fears were realized and the wormhole closed. Nonetheless, construction continued and the gates of EVE opened and operated perfectly for seven decades. Disaster struck once again. An unexplained phenomenon engulfed the Gates of EVE, rendering them inoperable. Restoration efforts proved futile due to the malevolent magnetic storm perpetually surrounding the gates. The results were swift and devastating. The fledgling settlements found themselves cut off from the old world, on which they were still heavily dependent.
Lack of oxygen, water and food had a catastrophic effect on the colonies and only the strongest managed to survive and reproduce. Scientific knowledge and high-tech industry dwindled with each generation. Tools and materials once taken for granted diminished and disappeared. Of the surviving colonies, several small, independent factions and states were formed. For thousands of years, these scattered groups lived and grew in isolation from each other. Environmental differences led to evolutionary changes, making each group distinct in appearance and behavior. Ultimately, five of these colonies emerged to become the major empires that hold the balance of power in the world of EVE today."
In short the wormhole shutting was expected. 70years later was when the gates stopped working. Another nice bit of lore
"Extremely bright and powerful electromagnetic turbulence emits from the EVE gate, as it is commonly called. This turbulence seems to originate from within the gate, so it is believed that the gate is actually open and the electromagnetic storms are coming through from wherever the gate is linked to."
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Posted - 2010.08.04 10:18:00 -
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Some interesting facts. When we got the new Eve site we lost of lot of the old lore which never got copied over. Stuff like we are in the Milky Way. This is from the old website.
"The next big step was the advancement of Warp technology into Jump drives. The first version only allowed very short jumps within the same solar system, but later versions allowed ships to jump between systems without the aid of a Jump gate. This sped up expansion considerably, and by the 28th century, humans had established settlements in hundreds of systems, dozens of which were fully fledged colonies. By then, however, the expansion process was becoming increasingly difficult due to bureaucracy. Almost every solar system within jump range had already been bought or leased long before actual colonization began, and many of those wishing to settle in a new world had to wait years to fulfil their dreams.
Things took an unexpected turn for the better, however, with the discovery of a natural wormhole near the system of Canopus. Although their existence had long been the subject of speculation, this was the first natural occurrence of the phenomenon ever seen. Probes sent into the wormhole showed not only that it was stable, but led to a solar system almost at the other end of the Milky Way
A decision was made to build Jump gates at each end of the wormhole, as only specially reinforced ships were able to use the wormhole itself. Furthermore, scientists predicted that it would close in a few decades, so men and equipment were ferried to the other side, setting up bases in the new system it created, which was soon christened New Eden.
Because of the distance between them, the two Jump gates at each end of the wormhole had to be massive. The largest single structures ever built by man, they took over 200 years to construct, despite the great wealth of the human race at this time. The gates were called EVE. As it had been decreed that the new world would be free for everyone to settle on a first-come, first-served basis, this meant hundreds of independent organizations began exploring and settling it as soon as it opened
The wormhole had closed while EVE was still under construction. At first, this did not appear to affect EVE at all, and continued to work as planned for the next 70 years. But then disaster struck. An unexplained phenomenon engulfed EVE, creating a severe magno-gravity disturbance which made it inoperable and reduced the prosperous New Eden system to rubble. Although EVE still exists, any ship foolish enough to go near it is destroyed by the malevolent gravity storms.
The effects of EVE's closure were sudden and dramatic. All the bases and settlements in the world of EVE, which had largely been dependent on the industrial infrastructure of the New Eden system or even that of the old world, now found themselves cut off and isolated by the catastrophe. As most of the colonies had only been settled a few years or decades previously, very few of them were self-sufficient. One by one they died out, killed off by a lack of oxygen, water and food. The few who survived slowly lost their knowledge and hi-tech industries, because they lacked the tools to replenish and maintain them."
Although alter versions of the website changed it to[i]" Things took an unexpected turn for the better, however, with the discovery of a natural wormhole near the system of Canopus. Although their existence had long been the subject of speculation, this was the first natural occurrence of the phenomenon ever seen. Probes sent into the wormhole showed it was stable and it led to a solar system in an unknown galaxy. This could be a far-flung region of our own Milky Way galaxy, or a galaxy at the other side of the universe, or even another dimension or parallel universe."
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Posted - 2010.08.04 10:23:00 -
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Another thing to think about. I get the impression a lot of people think wormholes are new. But as race's we have been creating artificial wormholes for a long time. A star gate are an artificial wormhole that's been created and made stable via the building. Jump Drives and jump portals are the creation of temp wormholes to travel.
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Posted - 2010.08.05 15:56:00 -
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Helena Ianikova said " So, what's the answer?"
42...no...wait, that answer was retired.
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Posted - 2010.08.06 21:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Pottsey
This is just a wild theory I am putting out there more for fun as its unlikely to be correct.
What if the Sleepers caused the Eve wormhole to collapse. The Sleepers who could be the Stasis Jove who where working on an Emergent system development. There whole Sleeper network forms one giant VR/network. What if the minds of the people in the VR network, mixed in with the Emergent system development and drone AI's formed one consciousness. The whole sleeper network self-assemble its own consciousness from the minds of the people in habitation plugged into VR, from the drones Emergent design and the sleeper sites Emergent design. This consciousness explosion mixed with the Eve gate which turned the wormhole into a giant vassal for the consciousness.
This is why the wormhole is described as getting angry lashing out and destroying the Jove ship. It is also why the Jove say the Eve gate is not what everyone thinks it is.
The Eve wormhole is one giant consciousness and this is why the Jove abandoned Emergent design research. (Yes I know the timelines do not match for this to be true, unless the wormhole/consciousness goes though time)
Following on from this idea along with posts 68, 72, 75. I was talking to Eventy One who didn't like my theory at first but he found more evidence to back it up. Not enough to prove it right but it's looking more likely.
Unsullied are a group of Jove from I believe a long time ago.
"Genetic engineering has through the centuries transformed Jovian society in every aspect imaginable. Many Jovians believe that enough has been done. The Unsullied is a group of Jovians that have rejected further generic experiments and instead adopt conventional methods to deal with sickness and old age. They are advocates of cyber-implants and want to use machines instead of genes in the search for better life."
That to me sounds like the Sleepers mixed with Emergent system development and the drones. I believe that group of Jove with the Stasis People Jove from the 1St empire are the Sleepers and/or Talocan's.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1261656&page=3#68
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1261656&page=3#72
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1261656&page=3#75
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Posted - 2010.08.08 08:30:00 -
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Auwnie Morohe said "And those Sansha people hanging around in Jove space were just testing their new implants. "
I missed this myself till it was pointed out on the Jove channel. It wasn't any old Jove system but the Jove capital system the Sansha were hanging about. Apparently according to the map a large amount of ships have been destroyed before the screenshot was taken suggesting a large fight took place and with the Sansha being the only ships on show after the fight I assume they won.
Being the Jove capital system is confirmed. The 2nd fact is unconfirmed.
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Posted - 2010.08.10 08:46:00 -
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Wyke Mossari said " Jove Space is the normal space of the CCP Staffers, including the content team. Past events triggered the creation of the over sight dept and procedures that prevent staffers just spawning stuff."
Actually no. Jove space is normally left alone. The space of CCP staffer, GM's and the like is Polaris space to the right of Jove space. Polaris space also being where the PvP tournaments are hold.
3-C1ER is outside the CCP staff area and being the Jove capital system I think it was chosen for a reason.
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Posted - 2010.08.13 08:16:00 -
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Auwnie Morohe said "Seem like everybody is on vacation. "
Well I cannot speak for the others but I for one have hit a dead end. Not found new information for a while. I have a theory that covers everything from who and why but without more information I cannot disprove or prove it (The Jove, Sleeper theory). To top it off I have not found an active wormhole corp to join during my time zone.
With the current information there is no way we are a user base are going to form consensus about one single theory. So unless there is something major we are all missing to still be found in game I personally don't believe we will make much more progress.
I am not giving up, but short of finding time to read the newest novel and hoping a clue is in there I am out of ideas for now.
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Posted - 2011.01.15 10:33:00 -
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Talocan are a nomad civilisation and old derelict ships that have been stripped down would be pretty normal in that type of situation. It's mostly the Talocan moved on and left what was not worth salvaging.
The more intresting question is why do Talocan ships have a Sleeper hull and Sleeper parts inside. That added with the Talocan Culture exchange buildings I don't think the two civilisations were at war.
" Imaur's conclusion - The sleepers are intercepting capsuleers at the moment of transmission and copying them. Either for analysis or integration into drones."
Or more likely the Sleeper drone(s) in empire space that opened portals managed to jump back to Wspace and report all data back to the Sleeper drones.
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Posted - 2011.01.27 07:28:00 -
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The AI stuff in the first few posts was just roleplay.
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Posted - 2011.02.12 09:54:00 -
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Umega wormholes are split into regions/groups. There is a high chance any wormholes will either link to another wormhole in the same group or link/dump you into the same region of K-space.
One of my old wormhole homes would almost always dump you into the same Amarr region. We found though cycling the wormholes we often bumped into the same other wormhole systems.
There is differently a pattern but it's not regularly enough to predict.
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Posted - 2011.02.15 17:25:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 15/02/2011 17:26:05
Princess Unicorn said ôCome to think of it why are the Talocan in w-space at all and why do they leave so many damn ships lying around....and why do the sleepers not clear them away if they are so interested.!ö
The Talocan are migrant culture. One would assume they stop, gather resources, build, then move on. A society like this would every so often abandon old obsolete ships and gear. When we find Talocan ships they are normally if not always gutted and striped down to the bare bones. Just what you would expect for a race leaving behind old junk thatÆs not worth taking with them.
Although one could argue the ships are stripped down as the Sleepers did it. Perhaps the Sleepers donÆt clear them away as its space junk they donÆt care about. Perhaps the sleepers have already been inside the ships and taken what they think is useful. Then again its perfectly possible the Talocan stripped and abandoned obsolete ships. Then the Sleepers came across the ships and took stuff and then we come across the ships and take the hull.
The only thing we are 100% sure on is the Sleepers are studying Talocan ships.
There is also the idea both the Talocan and Sleepers are the same race only from different times.
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Posted - 2011.05.11 06:31:00 -
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Have you all seen the, ask a dev a question thread? where they promise to answer everything although I guess the answer can be we cannot say yet. But still it could be worth asking lots of lore questions. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1508536
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Posted - 2011.07.07 07:40:00 -
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/role-play mode (but the photo bit is real in Eon)
I hope you don't mind Asbalon Jade I should have really asked you before. But when I published the 2nd part of my scientific paper based on our work and trips in wormhole space I included a picture from our trip inside the sleeper structures. For those interested the well known Eon mag has a photo from when Asbalon Jade and I broke into one of the Sleeper chambers. Although for some reason the publisher decided not to include Asbalon's sunset mirror photos.
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Posted - 2011.07.18 08:12:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 18/07/2011 08:15:05
DidnÆt the Jove destroy the gates in the war 150 years ago? Not that recently. (Note: date from memory, might be worth someone double checking). As far as I recall the gates got destroy before the capsuleer era. EDIT: Just looked it up, the war and the gates getting blown up was about 125 years ago.
No leading theory has been agreed on. The problem is there isnÆt enough data to make one theory more leading over another.
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