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Sasha Erivic	Posted - 2010.02.05 19:04:00 - [1] I have been thinking that it would be great to add a few more T1 frigs and Cruisers to each race? T2 and even T3 is great and have been welsome in the various expansions for the game but I also think that it is time to add more T1 ships. With existing T1 frigs and cruisers there setups have been done to death. I would love maybe 2 new frigs, 2 new cruisers and 2 new battlecruisers to be added to that game. This would really shake up the game and make it even more attractive to new players. What you guys think? Sasha
Iaoth	Posted - 2010.02.05 19:14:00 - [2] Take it one step further............make the new T1 ships only able to be flown by the characters native race. No cross training possibilities. That would be something that would make things stand out a bit.........as it is now, its all really just a homogeonous blob, anyone can fly anything. Make racial choice mean something other than the stats on a birth certificate. ( I hate the idea that some filthy slave matari can get behind the controls of one of our glorious ships....its just wrong )
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2010.02.05 19:19:00 - [3] New ships are only available though available use and roles, trying to add new ships without these roles has not been a good idea, which is why every ship I have designed has been fullfilling little niches that been overlooked. Currently Frigates can fufill every current subcaptiol role aside from gang booster, cosmos platform (no ship as roled into this, however its possible every ship can do this) and logistics. Cruisers have no interceptor role, however its mostly part of the 'assault' platform. They to also do not have a gang booster or a cosmos platform, the logistics is partially covered. Cruisers with a gang role isnt nessecary thats overstepping into battlecruiser boundries. Which is that classes niche and doesnt need to be stepped on remotely close sized ships. Frigates however can benifit from all three being added however the chances are well see them interated as tech 2 ships not tech 1s as your asking. So in order for us to get any new tech 1s well have to invent new combat systems and new roles to make this involves making new mechanics overall which is MASSIVE work more work than adding new ship models. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 27JAN10
DJ Obsidian New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2010.02.05 19:22:00 - [4] ibt move to suggestions forum.
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2010.02.05 19:25:00 - [5] I dont think this qualifies for FnI there its more of a complaint than an idea. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 27JAN10
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.02.05 19:26:00 - [6] Originally by: Nova Fox I dont think this qualifies for FnI there its more of a complaint than an idea. more of an idea, but seriously lacking detail.
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2010.02.05 19:30:00 - [7] got plenty of room for more tiers of destroyers BC and probably squeeze one more out of battleships. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 27JAN10
Kyra Felann Gallente	Posted - 2010.02.05 20:01:00 - [8] Originally by: Iaoth Take it one step further............make the new T1 ships only able to be flown by the characters native race. No cross training possibilities. That would be something that would make things stand out a bit.........as it is now, its all really just a homogeonous blob, anyone can fly anything. I kind of agree with this idea. I like that EVE is very flexible and that you're not locked into a certain thing when you make your character, but it would be nice if race meant something besides your picture. I'd rather see a small bonus to flying your own race's ships--just enough to encourage it instead of encouraging cherry-picking various ships from the four main factions. As for the main topic, I agree with this also. I think more ships would definitely be a good thing. I'd also like to see more ships not designed by the four main factions, like ships designed by various corporations. Things like science vessels, exploration ships, dedicated salvage barges, etc, would be nice. Look at ORE ships for an example. I don't see why virtually all ships are designed by one of the four main governments or their affiliated corporations rather than independent corporations just designing their own ships to suit various needs.
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2010.02.05 20:45:00 - [9] Limiting anything to race is silly, as is a percentage boost to 'racial' cruiser types, however small it is. Flexibility and freedom good, limiting or defining characters based on what was/will be an arbitrary charcreation choice bad Re: OP, I don't see much need for new fancy ships, and I don't think anyone would be swayed by it. I would like to see tech1/2 frigates and destroyers given some combat usefulness and other love, which i think really would benefit new players _____________________ Horrors! Demons in the deep!
KaarBaak Minmatar Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2010.02.05 20:53:00 - [10] Originally by: Chaos Incarnate Limiting anything to race is silly, as is a percentage boost to 'racial' cruiser types, however small it is. Flexibility and freedom good, limiting or defining characters based on what was/will be an arbitrary charcreation choice bad Re: OP, I don't see much need for new fancy ships, and I don't think anyone would be swayed by it. I would like to see tech1/2 frigates and destroyers given some combat usefulness and other love, which i think really would benefit new players This same discussion comes up in every MMO at some point...should race matter. Those that want their 2oz fairy paladin to tank for a group. Those that want special bonuses for flying ships designed by their own races. Basically people who want there to be an impact of choice...and those that argue 'balance' issues and cry when their Caldari pilot doesn't get the 10% energy turret bonus in his Executioner. Balance = blandness. Blandness = mass appeal Mass appeal = $$$ "Anyone can do anything." Has there ever been a bigger break from reality than that statement? Just because it's a sandbox doesn't mean everything has to be the same. Genuine pilot diversity would be a welcome change...though I will say that it will NEVER happen...just as it's never happened in every other game. KB KB My blogs: Tastes Like Chicken EvE Meta-Gaming
Gladys Pank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.02.05 20:56:00 - [11] What utility gap do you think these ships need to fulfil? gas harvesting cruiser? you need to put more thought into this suggestion really. ~ Soar Like a Penguin
Atropos Kahn Caldari Solarflare Heavy Industries Blade.	Posted - 2010.02.05 20:57:00 - [12] Um... Electronic Attack Frigs.. Lots - o - fun...
Duncan MacPherson Minmatar Avatars of Ore TransWarp Ventures	Posted - 2010.02.05 20:57:00 - [13] Originally by: Iaoth Take it one step further............make the new T1 ships only able to be flown by the characters native race. No cross training possibilities. That would be something that would make things stand out a bit.........as it is now, its all really just a homogeonous blob, anyone can fly anything. Make racial choice mean something other than the stats on a birth certificate. ( I hate the idea that some filthy slave matari can get behind the controls of one of our glorious ships....its just wrong ) Specifically why my main flagship is an Apoc. Just to shove it in the nose of my old oppressors.
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2010.02.05 21:54:00 - [14] Originally by: KaarBaak This same discussion comes up in every MMO at some point...should race matter. Those that want their 2oz fairy paladin to tank for a group. Those that want special bonuses for flying ships designed by their own races. Basically people who want there to be an impact of choice...and those that argue 'balance' issues and cry when their Caldari pilot doesn't get the 10% energy turret bonus in his Executioner. It's not just balance issues; it's forcing a new player (or old players retroactively) to make an important character decision literally right as they're starting the game and have no idea what's going on. It's obviously common, but it seriously needs to DIAF. It's the equivalent of having to choose what type of car you're going to drive for the rest of your life at age 4 Quote: Balance = blandness. Blandness = mass appeal Mass appeal = $$$ Imbalance is bland, it leads to FotMs and carbon copy ship fits/character builds. Balance promotes characters choosing what they learn to prefer, rather than what's "best". Quote: "Anyone can do anything." Has there ever been a bigger break from reality than that statement? Just because it's a sandbox doesn't mean everything has to be the same. Everything's not the same. Pick a random group of PvP pilots and their skills and character focus will be plenty varied; their choice of ships are different, character skills are varied, as well as skillpoint levels and specializations. You can do anything you'd like eventually, but Quote: Genuine pilot diversity would be a welcome change...though I will say that it will NEVER happen...just as it's never happened in every other game. There is pilot diversity, it's just not based on absurd things like which race's character portraits/backstory you found coolest however many days ago _____________________ Horrors! Demons in the deep!
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.02.05 22:22:00 - [15] Originally by: Chaos Incarnate Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 05/02/2010 21:58:31 Originally by: KaarBaak This same discussion comes up in every MMO at some point...should race matter. Those that want their 2oz fairy paladin to tank for a group. Those that want special bonuses for flying ships designed by their own races. Basically people who want there to be an impact of choice...and those that argue 'balance' issues and cry when their Caldari pilot doesn't get the 10% energy turret bonus in his Executioner. It's not just balance issues; it's forcing a new player (or old players retroactively) to make an important character decision literally right as they're starting the game and have no idea what's going on. It's obviously common, but it seriously needs to DIAF. It's the equivalent of having to choose what type of car you're going to drive for the rest of your life at age 4 luckily you can train into other ships in eve. every race having the same number of ships in every class is just -_-; boring! amarr needs a torp bs, gallente could use a bc worth a damn, Minmatar should have quite a bit of stolen amarr tech, think they would have a webbing tracking disrupting recon or something. laser drone boat maybe (yea okay I just want a laser drone boat, I talked about it before)?
Lead Six	Posted - 2010.02.05 22:39:00 - [16] Outstanding idea actually. Diversify the market, give more variety and everyone that plays can use immediately. -LS
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.05 22:44:00 - [17] Originally by: Sasha Erivic I also think that it is time to add more T1 ships. Filling what roles? No role = no point. Quote: This would really shake up the game and make it even more attractive to new players. How so? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Seishi Maru The Black Dawn Gang	Posted - 2010.02.05 23:29:00 - [18] Beign cool and being awesome are 2 excelent roles.
Mikael Mechka	Posted - 2010.02.05 23:53:00 - [19] What about a secondary racial ewar cruiser? The bonuses would need to be smaller than those of the recon counterparts, but having the bonuses only apply to the race that designed it would make things more interesting. Secondary ewar seems far more popular all round anyway so it shouldn't upset many people. So the minnies could get a cruiser with a web range bonus. Amarr would get a like a rudementary nos/neut ship. Gallente would get a ship with slight disruptor/scram range bonus. (I can see this being used WAAAAY more than any damp ship actually fitting damps). Caldari can get... oh... errm... extra ECM range as opposed to ECM strength of the blackbird? :S Not sure. Another thought is "ships of the line" with bonuses only applying when the ship is in a gang (making the ships fleet only ships rather than solo ships)? What about logistic frigates? Just throwing some ideas about. ------------------------------------------------- Originally by: Lana Torrin I just reported you for being informative in a troll thread. Please leave.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.02.05 23:57:00 - [20] Originally by: Seishi Maru Beign cool and being awesome are 2 excelent roles. probably the best point in this thread
Jorgun Beta Caldari Whimmy Wham Wham Wozzle	Posted - 2010.02.06 00:22:00 - [21] From a backstory standpoint, the thing I never understood is why faction ships were usable by the other faction. if I am in the Caldari militia,I think my higher-ups would frown on using a navy domi. freedom of choice is good and all that, but I would like the fact that I chose Caldari to mean something besides the fact I look like a zombie. __________________________ Landari Omega > Set up a PoS in a Class 4 Wormhole? No Problem! Build Capital Ships? No Problem! Killing Tech 2 Cruisers? PROBLEM
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.02.06 00:27:00 - [22] Originally by: Jorgun Beta From a backstory standpoint, the thing I never understood is why faction ships were usable by the other faction. if I am in the Caldari militia,I think my higher-ups would frown on using a navy domi. freedom of choice is good and all that, but I would like the fact that I chose Caldari to mean something besides the fact I look like a zombie. they didn't pay for it, why would they care?
Shawshanke	Posted - 2010.02.06 01:14:00 - [23] Originally by: Gladys Pank What utility gap do you think these ships need to fulfil? gas harvesting cruiser? you need to put more thought into this suggestion really. Its simple, we need firgs and cruisers with monkey launcher bonuses.
Salmeria GoonFleet	Posted - 2010.02.06 02:25:00 - [24] I really agree with this! There should be a lot of t1 frigates and cruisers, even if some are similar to each other. There really aren't that many ships in this and game and some new t1 ships would be cool. Plus it would give you guys more models to base new pirate and t2 ships off of! :)
Salmeria GoonFleet	Posted - 2010.02.06 02:44:00 - [25] I really agree with this! There should be a lot of t1 frigates and cruisers, even if some are similar to each other. There really aren't that many ships in this and game and some new t1 ships would be cool. Plus it would give you guys more models to base new pirate and t2 ships off of! :)
Usagi Toshiro Amarr PoliCratton Technologies	Posted - 2010.02.06 20:04:00 - [26] Edited by: Usagi Toshiro on 06/02/2010 20:06:24 Undocks, drops a can that says "What about custom ship paint jobs?", Redocks to avoid podding." Edit* I enjoy the ships that require 2 ship racial skills to fly, like the Ashimmu. I'd like to see more frigates or even a destroyer or two with these requirements and abilities.
Scout Ops Red Federation	Posted - 2010.02.06 20:34:00 - [27] WTB a T2 Drake... no, Tengu is not T2 Drake...
Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.02.06 20:39:00 - [28] Originally by: Nova Fox got plenty of room for more tiers of destroyers BC and probably squeeze one more out of battleships. are there tier4 frigates and cruisers? I forgot would be nice to introduce ships up to tier4. also, the industrial scene is weak. I mean gallente have 5, but minmatar have 3, and the others only have 2. and amarr has two because they had to introduce the sigil hull for the prorator. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Neesa Corrinne Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2010.02.06 20:55:00 - [29] Originally by: Chaos Incarnate Limiting anything to race is silly, as is a percentage boost to 'racial' cruiser types, however small it is. Flexibility and freedom good, limiting or defining characters based on what was/will be an arbitrary charcreation choice bad Re: OP, I don't see much need for new fancy ships, and I don't think anyone would be swayed by it. I would like to see tech1/2 frigates and destroyers given some combat usefulness and other love, which i think really would benefit new players I think a tiny boost for flying the ships associated with your race is hardly silly and would promote less FOTM pilots. If you get a bonus for your native ship classes, no matter how small, then the game is more likely to have a better cross section of races than currently. I mean, how many thousands of Achura exist because the base stats were 100% better than any other races stats... oh wait, you're Achura yourself, so you're a min/maxxer too. How many Achura PVP'ers do you see actually flying Caldari? Not that many I'd wager. People grabbed the race for the crazy good PVP stats and then moved right into the PVP FOTM ships, which has swapped from Gallente to Minmatar to Ammar and back to Minmatar in the space of two years. Someone is bound to say that this will just promote FOTM races instead of ships, but I'm going to head that one off at the pass now: I really don't think that all the 03-08 players are going to suddenly start over just because of a slight racial boost, and the FOTM ship changes with every single patch for the past two years so having FOTM races wouldn't do anyone any good by the time the character has enough SP to be decent.
SoC Darkord Minmatar Silentium Mortalitas Mortal Destruction	Posted - 2010.02.06 21:01:00 - [30] I didn't see a post about it in the thread, but if there is one I appologise. Somewhere in the fan fest vids or in a blog after there is mention of T3 frigates to be introduced in the next or following expansions. Just thought I would throw that in there :) As for more T1, there really is no point... maybe a logi BC but I can't think of anything else that could be added.
Cors It's A Trap	Posted - 2010.02.06 21:26:00 - [31] I'd rather the devs look at the stats, and find the 1 frig per race that isn't being used, and "retire" it from the game. They'd instantly become collector items, and allow CCP to deploy a NEW frigate with NEW models, that's balanced for current game play. I know the cost of modeling is high on a per hour basis, but it really WOULD make eve feel more "real". Ships being retired because their role is taken by a newer ship. It's quite logical.
Jim Raynor Caldari Sinister Corporation	Posted - 2010.02.06 21:33:00 - [32] Originally by: Cors I'd rather the devs look at the stats, and find the 1 frig per race that isn't being used, and "retire" it from the game. They'd instantly become collector items, and allow CCP to deploy a NEW frigate with NEW models, that's balanced for current game play. I know the cost of modeling is high on a per hour basis, but it really WOULD make eve feel more "real". Ships being retired because their role is taken by a newer ship. It's quite logical. Should I start collecting Bantams now? ------ I'll make a sig later.
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2010.02.06 21:35:00 - [33] Originally by: Neesa Corrinne I think a tiny boost for flying the ships associated with your race is hardly silly Yes, it is silly. In-game terms, all the eve races are human, the differences are cosmetic and societal, neither of which has any alteration on your brain's ability to push the buttons and pull the levers. Out of game terms, we don't need characters herded along specific paths based on their charselect choice, the freedom to train is fine just the way it is Quote: and would promote less FOTM pilots. If you get a bonus for your native ship classes, no matter how small, then the game is more likely to have a better cross section of races than currently. No, it's going to have a worse cross-section. People will roll whatever has the leetest ships when they made their character, rather than now where players can actually choose their characters based on backstory and aesthetics, which is about as close to random as you can get Quote: I mean, how many thousands of Achura exist because the base stats were 100% better than any other races stats... oh wait, you're Achura yourself, so you're a min/maxxer too. My current character happens to be a 1.2m SP trading and leet posting alt with 20 charisma, but nice swing at the ad hominem; my mains are a brutor and a deteis Quote: How many Achura PVP'ers do you see actually flying Caldari? Not that many I'd wager. People grabbed the race for the crazy good PVP stats and then moved right into the PVP FOTM ships, which has swapped from Gallente to Minmatar to Ammar and back to Minmatar in the space of two years. Someone is bound to say that this will just promote FOTM races instead of ships, but I'm going to head that one off at the pass now: I really don't think that all the 03-08 players are going to suddenly start over just because of a slight racial boost, and the FOTM ship changes with every single patch for the past two years so having FOTM races wouldn't do anyone any good by the time the character has enough SP to be decent. It will lead to FOTM races, just not for the vets. New players will be directed in corp chats and by friends who already play to roll whatever's 'the best' at that point in time, just like what happened with the Achura. Heck, it'll probably still be caldari that'll be fotm, considering most everyone does missions at some point and Caldari ships have only been the best at that since...forever? Sure, there'll be some jumping around on what's best patch to patch from PvPers, but they'll probably still pick what's best at the time and hope it won't be nerfed _____________________ Horrors! Demons in the deep!
XIII'th	Posted - 2010.02.06 22:13:00 - [34] Edited by: XIII''th on 06/02/2010 22:13:58 More t1 frigates? What for? There are a lot of t1 frigates and only few really playable with Rifter on top of it. Instead of adding more ships make existing ones usable, let every frigate be good, not only Incursus, Rifter, Punisher... Cruisers are OK as they are, no need for more, but third BC for every race would be nice, but to be honest I have no idea what for :)
Lunewraith Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2010.02.06 23:03:00 - [35] Edited by: Lunewraith on 06/02/2010 23:04:08 Only new ships I could care about would be faction/pirate Battlecruisers. We got plenty of choices and roles sub-BC. and dessies, yes.

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