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SweetBellic	Posted - 2010.02.07 12:38:00 - [1] Edited by: SweetBellic on 07/02/2010 12:39:05 I've owned this account since 2003 and I've always tried to get into the game time and time again. I hear a news story on an MMO site and think it is the perfect time to commit to the game. However the reality of EVE is whenever I try to PVP, I just get killed in seconds and theres no way for me to learn. When you've lost the ship you spent weeks mind numbingly grinding ISK for, you just think what is the point? I've tried to get my friends into the game but they're all too scared to go out into non safe space and end up staying in 0.5+ and getting bored. I've tried factional warfare but it might as well be called gate camping 2.0. Whenever I watch the Alliance Tournament, it gets me into the game again. The PVP there has rules and it is fun because you can't get owned by some gate camper and his 10 accounts. I'd love to just be able to get a few of my mates and do some 2 vs 2 or whatever in an inbuilt Arena like system. Not only would it be fun but it would build our confidence up in PVP and allow us to venture out to non safe space. Right now theres no way to learn without having a horrible time being owned by people who have been out there for years. I would really love something like this to be in EVE. People say to you to join a corp that does it, the reality of that is you have to wait around for a week for them to organised it. Most likely you'll never find a good corp because I've been searching for years and never found one.
000Hunter000 Gallente Missiles 'R' Us	Posted - 2010.02.07 12:45:00 - [2] I used to have this idea for a hi sec PVP combat arena. 2 ships enter, 1 ship leaves. There could be a few rules like podkill or no podkill and people could bet on the outcome. I think this could be a serious boost to hi sec and personally i think hi sec could use some lovin, that has nothing to do with mining or missioning. ________________________________________________
lljkDeathscythe Carebear Poachers plc	Posted - 2010.02.07 12:49:00 - [3] Edited by: lljkDeathscythe on 07/02/2010 12:51:03 I wholeheartedly agree. People whinge about WOW arena and such but it does one thing that lacks in eve: the ability to logon and get instant pvp, no hassle. I think an arena style mode in EVE would be better than wow too, owing to the quite well balanced pvp we have. RVB does not count, flying in groups of 100 2 week old rifters is not pvp. It would be really cool to have titles and awards just like wow. For the vast majority of EVE community, 0.0 is just a borefest where we are all cannon fodder for egotistical alliance leaders. Not to mention it is totally not casual friendly.
N'tek alar Minmatar	Posted - 2010.02.07 12:49:00 - [4] Originally by: SweetBellic Edited by: SweetBellic on 07/02/2010 12:39:05 I've owned this account since 2003 and I've always tried to get into the game time and time again. I hear a news story on an MMO site and think it is the perfect time to commit to the game. However the reality of EVE is whenever I try to PVP, I just get killed in seconds and theres no way for me to learn. When you've lost the ship you spent weeks mind numbingly grinding ISK for, you just think what is the point? I've tried to get my friends into the game but they're all too scared to go out into non safe space and end up staying in 0.5+ and getting bored. I've tried factional warfare but it might as well be called gate camping 2.0. Whenever I watch the Alliance Tournament, it gets me into the game again. The PVP there has rules and it is fun because you can't get owned by some gate camper and his 10 accounts. I'd love to just be able to get a few of my mates and do some 2 vs 2 or whatever in an inbuilt Arena like system. Not only would it be fun but it would build our confidence up in PVP and allow us to venture out to non safe space. Right now theres no way to learn without having a horrible time being owned by people who have been out there for years. I would really love something like this to be in EVE. People say to you to join a corp that does it, the reality of that is you have to wait around for a week for them to organised it. Most likely you'll never find a good corp because I've been searching for years and never found one. If you're trying to learn how to pvp effectively in a ship that takes you weeks of grinding to replace you're doing it wrong. Just saying. ------------------------- I'm not shirtless damnit!
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation	Posted - 2010.02.07 12:50:00 - [5] I play this other MMO, which has an arena system. If CCP ever implement an arena system, I will sell all my charaters in the Toon Bizzare, liquidate all my assets and sell the pile of ISK that would result for yankee dollars. Then use them to pay for the subscriptions to the already mentioned game. I hope I have made myself clear.
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2010.02.07 12:53:00 - [6] OP: Check out link in my sig. It might be your cup of tea. ________________________________________ New Eden Gladiators - Do you have what it takes?
Sytoru Hiroshyma Enemy of the State	Posted - 2010.02.07 12:55:00 - [7] Just two things I'd suggest to the OP. 1) Learn to pew pew in tech 1 frigs. Cheap as chips after insurance. 2) Join Red Vs Blue. Pretty much instant action within three systems and a non-aggression pact outside of those for when you need/want to carebear it up.
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Research and Manufacturing Corp.	Posted - 2010.02.07 12:58:00 - [8] test server ----- 'In Eve, as in real life, if you are bored it's your own fault.'
Chloe Ordimus	Posted - 2010.02.07 12:59:00 - [9] Originally by: lljkDeathscythe Edited by: lljkDeathscythe on 07/02/2010 12:51:03 RVB does not count, flying in groups of 100 2 week old rifters is not pvp. It would be really cool to have titles and awards just like wow. For the vast majority of EVE community, 0.0 is just a borefest where we are all cannon fodder for egotistical alliance leaders. Not to mention it is totally not casual friendly. RVB DOES count. You can organise 1 vs 1 do anything in there. If 100 vs 100 Rifter gangs isn't your thing, then do all the other things you can do in RVB. If you want a tournament, CCP won't implement it. YOu have to do it off your own back. It's a sandbox. God dammit it's as easy as stealing from another's can to get a fight in high sec. Why can't you guys organise that?
kano donn	Posted - 2010.02.07 13:00:00 - [10] Originally by: lljkDeathscythe Edited by: lljkDeathscythe on 07/02/2010 12:51:03 It would be really cool to have titles and awards just like wow. No. you would loose what is eve completely. Also if you go pew pew and never win, its not because you suck at pvp, its because you 1)in your fleet your FC sucks. or 2) you have not done it enough.(t1 frig + low sec + 2 friends = yarrr piracy)

Solar Blade	Posted - 2010.02.07 13:01:00 - [11] Originally by: Banana Torres I play this other MMO, which has an arena system. If CCP ever implement an arena system, I will sell all my charaters in the Toon Bizzare, liquidate all my assets and sell the pile of ISK that would result for yankee dollars. Then use them to pay for the subscriptions to the already mentioned game. I hope I have made myself clear. Its not the end of the world if they add a way to fight by set rules.
lljkDeathscythe Carebear Poachers plc	Posted - 2010.02.07 13:11:00 - [12] If they implemented arena nobody is forcing you to use it. So go back to camping some backwater gate in 0.0.
Kazang Wrecking Shots	Posted - 2010.02.07 13:32:00 - [13] Originally by: 000Hunter000 I used to have this idea for a hi sec PVP combat arena. 2 ships enter, 1 ship leaves. There could be a few rules like podkill or no podkill and people could bet on the outcome. I think this could be a serious boost to hi sec and personally i think hi sec could use some lovin, that has nothing to do with mining or missioning. This in theory is a good idea, even though I don't want arena type combat in eve I know a lot of people do. However High-sec is not for this kind of deathmatch gameplay. It should be restricted to low and null, betting on the deaths of 100 of virtual people does isn't something I would like see happen in empire becasue for one it makes no sense from a storyline point of view and there needs to be more things to get people into low and null sec. Outlaw "havens" where deathmatches, duels to the death and general corporate sponsored violence is condoned would be quite cool. However it needs to be a fluid non-artificial thing. No ladders and turning it into some kinda of ***ty "e-sport" if it retained the character of an eve fight, which is akin to bar brawl or full out war not a game of cricket, then it could work and even get support from all the "arena" combat haters. Kazang*
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Research and Manufacturing Corp.	Posted - 2010.02.07 13:34:00 - [14] Originally by: lljkDeathscythe If they implemented arena nobody is forcing you to use it. So go back to camping some backwater gate in 0.0. But what you and the OP want is already there. It's called the 'test server'. Go use it. ----- 'In Eve, as in real life, if you are bored it's your own fault.'
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2010.02.07 13:42:00 - [15] Edited by: Maximillian Bayonette on 07/02/2010 13:43:02 Originally by: Kazang This in theory is a good idea, even though I don't want arena type combat in eve I know a lot of people do. However High-sec is not for this kind of deathmatch gameplay. It should be restricted to low and null, betting on the deaths of 100 of virtual people does isn't something I would like see happen in empire becasue for one it makes no sense from a storyline point of view and there needs to be more things to get people into low and null sec. Outlaw "havens" where deathmatches, duels to the death and general corporate sponsored violence is condoned would be quite cool. However it needs to be a fluid non-artificial thing. No ladders and turning it into some kinda of ****ty "e-sport" if it retained the character of an eve fight, which is akin to bar brawl or full out war not a game of cricket, then it could work and even get support from all the "arena" combat haters. What's wrong with death-matches in high sec? It's not really death matches anyway, as the intro tells us, we're all immortal. Concord allows corporate wars, why wouldn't they allow organized fights for money from a storyline perspective? /Edit: Note, I'm not advocating arenas. I'm advocating player organized tournaments. ________________________________________ New Eden Gladiators - Do you have what it takes?
Glengrant TOHA Heavy Industries TOHA Conglomerate	Posted - 2010.02.07 14:23:00 - [16] Edited by: Glengrant on 07/02/2010 14:24:03 Looked for a good corp for yearsand never found one? There's something wrong with your criteria or method - it aint that hard. It's a sandbox. Nothing keeps you from getting together with others to organise a tourny. Corps have done that internally forever. Likewise pilots had duels since the beginning. Further pvp in T1 frigs and destroyers is cheap and fun. --- Save the forum: Think before you post. ISK BUYER = LOSER EVE TV- Bring it back! Laptop, NVidia7900GS, Ubuntu 8.04, WINE
Serpents smile	Posted - 2010.02.07 14:59:00 - [17] Originally by: SweetBellic whenever I try to PVP, I just get killed in seconds and theres no way for me to learn. When you've lost the ship you spent weeks mind numbingly grinding ISK for, you just think what is the point? 1 - if you cannot immediately replace your ship and its fitting then don't fly it. 2 - If you're new at PvP use trow away frigates, destroyers, don't put all your isk into 1 ship, it will pop anyway. Just keep this in your head, the moment you jump into 0.0/ low sec your ship is toast. You're flying on borrowed time the moment you leave high sec. Know nothing about FW since its very bad for your factional standings. When it comes to friends, maybe time to find some new ones with a bit more temper, or join red vs blue. EVE university also teaches you how to PvP. Originally by: SweetBellic Whenever I watch the Alliance Tournament, it gets me into the game again. The PVP there has rules and it is fun because you can't get owned by some gate camper and his 10 accounts. Join a corp that is in a alliance and has some space of its own (while it lasts see goons) Or move away from the area's with the gate camps, lots of space is still empty. Jump in a WH. Originally by: SweetBellic I'd love to just be able to get a few of my mates and do some 2 vs 2 or whatever in an inbuilt Arena like system. Not only would it be fun but it would build our confidence up in PVP and allow us to venture out to non safe space. A- Join a corp so you can shoot your mates. Heck you can even pod them if you fancy that. B- Jettison 2 cans, put 1 ammo in it take from each others can, you're now both flagged pew away. C- Somehow I get the impression you just look for excuses not to PvP. Originally by: SweetBellic Right now theres no way to learn without having a horrible time being owned by people who have been out there for years. That is wrong, the ONLY way to learn it is by DOING IT! Stop shying away from it. Originally by: SweetBellic I would really love something like this to be in EVE. People say to you to join a corp that does it, the reality of that is you have to wait around for a week for them to organised it. Most likely you'll never find a good corp because I've been searching for years and never found one. Once again I get the impression you've never given it your best shot. If by some fluke you really fail at finding a right corp, create one yourself. Then again, I !think! last thing you want to do is PvP the way its build into EVE. You want consensual PvP, fair odds 1 on 1, etc. etc. That is not how this MMO works.
Ak'athra J'ador Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2010.02.07 15:19:00 - [18] Edited by: Ak''athra J''ador on 07/02/2010 15:20:27 IF it is done it should be done in low sec low sec needs some loving! besides, this really doesn't seem like an empire thing. it looks a lot more like something pirates would organise. so implement a tournament system. one that does not need to be run by the devs, but is completely automatised and ran by the game. now they said Incarna is going to be a sort of pirate expansion (well and the walking part), where you will track down dark figures (NPCs) from eves underworld. so why not have some pirate NPCs organising tournaments in low sec? if you make the system completely automatised then you can have people going (and I mean actually walking here ) up to the pirate bookies and organisers in some pirate station in low sec and sign up for an illegal tournament. I am sure people might disagree but doesn't this sound like eve? participating in an illegal tournament organised by a pirate faction for isk and glory? no arena, no instancing, no emo rage quitting of five accounts. you could even add rewards in form of LP from said factions, but they would need to be lower then the ships worth, so people don't just fight themselves. and then you get people moving into these systems so they can get instant pvp. you get a demand for a market and people start moving stuff in and trading. and then you have people in low sec and pirates come praying for those traders. sounds like eve to me. would this be a fair enough compromise?
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.02.07 15:30:00 - [19] Make corp called Free PvP, make up some rules, set up some safe spots to avoid too many eyes, blow each other up, do not make noise in local, kick all who do not follow the rules, practice, practice, practice. Once you get your first war deck, then have some different fun. Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! ≡v≡
Grath Telkin Amarr The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.02.07 15:38:00 - [20] Originally by: Slade Trillgon Make corp called Free PvP, make up some rules, set up some safe spots to avoid too many eyes, blow each other up, do not make noise in local, kick all who do not follow the rules, practice, practice, practice. Once you get your first war deck, then have some different fun. Slade Probably one of the better suggestions given that will literally grant everything you want. You set bookmarks labeled "arena" at safes, and warp you and the other corp member/s there, fight, rinse repeat till your ready. Sorry, CCP aren't going to do things to entice you to stay in Empire, they want you OUT of empire as has been stated in a hundred places by a hundred dev faces.

Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.02.07 18:28:00 - [21] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 07/02/2010 18:29:56 Originally by: Grath Telkin Probably one of the better suggestions given that will literally grant everything you want. You set bookmarks labeled "arena" at safes, and warp you and the other corp member/s there, fight, rinse repeat till your ready. Sorry, CCP aren't going to do things to entice you to stay in Empire, they want you OUT of empire as has been stated in a hundred places by a hundred dev faces. Thank you. o7 I even forgot to put in there that if you really want to make it friendly the #1 rule should be to stop, the "entry level duels," once one of the pilots reaches hull. Or, in other words, you loose the match when your ship hits structure not when your pod shows up. Once the older pilots get use to seeing there ships hit structure and start making more isk running missions, they can set up higher level/ advanced "arenas" where you can start taking it all the way to get use to loosing ships and then having to replacing them. Definitely start out with frigates and move on as your comfort level advances. Once you advance from 1v1 in frigates you could move onto 2v2 and change how the rules work in that scenario. As a CEO it may take some bookwork to keep track of safe spots and their designated battle rule set, but you have the tools and you should use them. I mean you practically have the tools to do whatever you want. I do not want to imply that the OP is younger then I, but I do feel that the following suggestion would have great repercussions. I believe that pen and paper role-playing (P&P) needs to be introduced to the worlds primary education systems. What way is better to teach at a young age, how to think outside the box, with relatively zero consequences? Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! ≡v≡
Kalnov Gallente Problematique Inc.	Posted - 2010.02.07 20:23:00 - [22] Originally by: Banana Torres I play this other MMO, which has an arena system. If CCP ever implement an arena system, I will sell all my charaters in the Toon Bizzare, liquidate all my assets and sell the pile of ISK that would result for yankee dollars. Then use them to pay for the subscriptions to the already mentioned game. I hope I have made myself clear. I don't play the game he's referring to, but I agree with this otherwise. The thing about Eve PvP isn't so much the loss of items or shooting, it's the build up before. Imagine, if you will, that you had no job. Playing video games all day gets boring. It's the job that causes the video games to be so awesome. Do you remember how good food or water can taste if you need them? Nothing is better than the first drink of water when you finish an exercise. It's the lack of perfection that makes things so gratifying. What I'm saying is that without the hard to find pvp, pvp will become boring. You'd just have to fly to the arena system and start shooting, no effort given. You won't place any value on pvp, so you take pvp for granted and therefore you start to not want to play at all. I'm not even mentioning that this game isn't balanced for 1v1 combat. Nobody would ever fly a Gallente frigate in frigate 1v1. They're just so bad at that. On the other hand, they excel in roaming 0.0 shooting interceptors. I actually have credible evidence that this game isn't designed for 1v1. http://www.shipsofeve.co,/soe4/text.php?type=soe4&id=domination You'll notice that the round 1's have a nice smattering of all the factions. Round 2 has barely any gallente. I don't think round 3 has any. Let's not even go into the hilarious fact that I was the only finalist not in a merlin. Time to stop typing, I'm sure the OP is a troll anyway.
Orb Lati Minmatar ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.07 20:58:00 - [23] Actually CCP have indicated they might have a idea on how to implement the OPS request which was mentioned in the incarna (WIS) video. There was mention of an in game gambling with walking in stations where gamblers could bet on the outcome of ship battles. Now if CCP can implement a system where combatants sign up with a third party who organizes and enforces a pre-agreed battles (duels) / FFA battle rings. Where contract systems hold entry fees and winnings to be awarded on battle completion. Where observers can hook into camera drones at the battle site from station terminals, placing bets on the outcome, either using in game tools or player created gambling bookies etc. So long as they dont do "virtual" environments for combat, so long as actual ships are destroyed then the above system will be great. "We worship Strength because it is through strength that all other values are made possible"
Dodgy Past Amarr Debitum Naturae	Posted - 2010.02.07 23:59:00 - [24] I do have some sympathy for the OPs issues, but at the same time the challenge of getting your foot through the door makes your achievements so much sweeter. It also means those rare pilots who manage to PvP successfully from almost day one have a right to be very proud. Devaluing what others have done in order to make your own path easier goes against the grain of Eve. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- you seem determined to turn it into ******* Hollyoaks for neckbeards.
Viginti Tres Enterprise Shipyards Ltd. Kobayashi-Maru	Posted - 2010.02.08 00:17:00 - [25] I've been trying to get into PvP on my alt, and I've made some, very limited progress. I know the risk element is what makes EVE so thrilling, so much more exciting than other MMO's, but there's a time and a place. I need to be quite drunk to be willing to risk my 300m ISK fit, and sometimes I'd rather just go and have a bit of low-cost fun in a Rifter or something. I know, I can go and find another Rifter that wants to fight blah blah, but... in my experience at least, the enemy always has something up his sleeve; be it gatecamps, traps in roid belts, unfair fits... whatever. Sometimes I'd like to come onto EVE for an hour or so and just say: 1v1, T1 fitted Rifters, **ing fight. No bull, just fight. I've yet to find a way of doing that without risking a **load, be it ships or implants or whatever. So yes, I think an Arena would be awesome. You could bet on fights, challenge players and do whatever you want. It just makes sense.
Adamant Stehl State Protectorate	Posted - 2010.02.08 03:07:00 - [26] /signed Before all else, be armed. Niccolo Machiavelli
Ryhss Caldari The Templar Navy SRS.	Posted - 2010.02.08 03:14:00 - [27] Originally by: 000Hunter000 I used to have this idea for a hi sec PVP combat arena. 2 ships enter, 1 ship leaves. There could be a few rules like podkill or no podkill and people could bet on the outcome. I think this could be a serious boost to hi sec and personally i think hi sec could use some lovin, that has nothing to do with mining or missioning. Good idea. I liiiike it! This is my sig, stop reading.
Tagami Wasp Caldari Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.02.08 03:27:00 - [28] When I joined Ushra'Khan in Curse I could barely fly a Kestrel on this character. When I got my 1st Merlin, I was excited. I spend a year in Caracals following HACs in roams (and dying. LOL). At the beginning all I could do was scout and tackle. Then I could add some dps to my gang. Now I still scout and tackle, but with better ships. Or add dps to the gang. And that's what I did. PvP is the mentality and the will to engage. I still enjoy flying Merlins, and will often do so, sometimes solo, sometimes in gang. Remember, if you don't ask her out, she won't dance with you. So stop asking for her to put out and work for it, that's the beauty of EvE. ------------ Railgun performance required fix: - +15% railgun damage modifier - +10% PG for Caldari railgun ships
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.02.08 04:32:00 - [29] The whole reason EVE PvP is the best is because there are no rules and no arenas. No really. In EVE you can bait and trap and use a lot of different tactics in order to snare your enemy and get him to fight on your terms instead of his. Arenas and battlegrounds do not have this. You simply approach/orbit and shoot. You are taking out a lot of the strategy and beauty of EVE PvP. Not to mention, EVE is not based on 1v1 combat instead ships are mostly based on roles to be used in a group. This idea is fail and will always be fail. If you want 1v1s then use can aggro mechanics that are already included in the game. Tournaments can be easily created by players. You are lazy and just want CCP to do all the work for you and you do not want any risk involved. If you don't want risk then don't play EVE. Originally by: Jim Raynor EVE needs danger, EVE needs risks, EVE needs combat, even piracy, without these things, the game stagnates to a trivial game centering around bloating your wallet with no purpose.
Neesa Corrinne Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2010.02.08 07:26:00 - [30] Edited by: Neesa Corrinne on 08/02/2010 07:30:54 Originally by: Banana Torres I play this other MMO, which has an arena system. If CCP ever implement an arena system, I will sell all my charaters in the Toon Bizzare, liquidate all my assets and sell the pile of ISK that would result for yankee dollars. Then use them to pay for the subscriptions to the already mentioned game. I hope I have made myself clear. Butt. Door. Buh bye now. Less concurrent users means less lag anyhow. Originally by: Vaal Erit The whole reason EVE PvP is the best is because there are no rules and no arenas. No really. In EVE you can bait and trap and use a lot of different tactics in order to snare your enemy and get him to fight on your terms instead of his. Arenas and battlegrounds do not have this. You simply approach/orbit and shoot. You are taking out a lot of the strategy and beauty of EVE PvP. Not to mention, EVE is not based on 1v1 combat instead ships are mostly based on roles to be used in a group. This idea is fail and will always be fail. If you want 1v1s then use can aggro mechanics that are already included in the game. Tournaments can be easily created by players. You are lazy and just want CCP to do all the work for you and you do not want any risk involved. If you don't want risk then don't play EVE. Oh, I didn't realize that all other forms of PVP in EVE would instantly dry up the second that an arena is introduced. Thanks for enlightening us on that point. Oh, and I had better not catch you peeking at the alliance tournament this year, cause by your reasoning it's just pushing orbit and shooting at each other. No skill involved there, nope.



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