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Cattegirn
Gallente Rampant SR
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Posted - 2010.02.08 17:00:00 -
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My corporation is a fairly "green" PVP training and noob-friendly group that just started out a few months ago. Many of our members are joining without knowing even how to setup a gate tackle and we generally only fly T1 frigates and cruisers with cheap modules fitted.
Nemesis Nation in their own words: "carries serious clout within the Gallente militia, with influences spanning both Empire and null-sec." They have POS's and fly T2 and T3 ships. They are far, far out of our league, to say the least. :)
On 2010 01 28 I recieved this evemail:
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Nemesis Nation From: Ti'jitsu Sent: 2010.01.28 22:59 To: Cattegirn,
Rampant SR,
Unless the sum of 1 Billion ISK is paid to Dermot Douglas within 48 Hours, Nemesis Nation will annihilate your corporation.
That is all.
Ti'jitsu High Commander Nemesis Nation
To my corp members, Ti'jitsu sent the following:
Quote: Pilot of Rampant SR, This mail is to inform you that Nemesis Nation's goal in this war is the complete destruction of Rampant SR as a corporation. We will use every means and asset at our disposal to insure Rampant SR ceases to function as individuals or as a corporation. Now with that being said i am willing to give you all an opportunity for a different future. I offer you the chance to join the Nation in a limited conscript role until such time as your loyalty to the Nation has been proven. You will be required to assist in Nemesis's goal of the destruction of Rampant and once this has been achieved you will attain "Recruit" status within the Nation and your future in EVE and the Nation will begin. I urge you all to consider this as an important opportunity to be apart of something much greater. You are all welcome to contact me at anytime to discuss this. But i urge you to make your decisions quickly and chose well, your future in EVE is waiting.. Ti'jitsu High Commander Nemesis Nation
I am happy to say that none of our members in the past two weeks has joined Nemesis Nation! 
I think we've been doing alright. http://rampant.eve-kill.net
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Cattegirn
Gallente Rampant SR
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Posted - 2010.02.08 17:05:00 -
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Today I received the following offer:
Quote: From: Suun Ablehart Sent: 2010.02.08 04:09 To: Cattegirn,
Cattegirn,
As you can see from the events in the last few weeks, and the killboards, Nemesis Nation carries serious clout within the Gallente militia, with influences spanning both Empire and null-sec. We don't take unannounced aggression lightly, and have hunted down Rampant SR pilots with deadly calm. To that end, Rampant SR has lost many ships, equipment, and economic ability due to the fact that your corporation cannot engage in normal operations due to the war.
That being said, we in Nemesis Nation tend to see ourselves as a benevolent force, teaching new pilots all aspects of New Eden. We have formed and molded new pilots, hammered them into weapons that carry deadly force. I have made sure that even our industrialists and mission runners are capable PvP pilots. Rampant SR will find it hard-pressed to even carry a war against our industrialists, much less our solid PvP core. In Nemesis Nation, everyone is a soldier; everyone fights.
We have ground Rampant SR's abilities to a halt, disabled most economic opportunities for Rampant SR to carry on an effective war with rather minimal losses to our own side, and pretty much, will go as far as dismantle Rampant SR's ability to exist as a corp, as you can see by the exodus of pilots from Rampant SR in recent times. If you think Virginia Corporation is a tough foe, they would be considered a joke compared to Nemesis Nation.
I have heard Rampant SR's groaning and cracking from her pilots themselves. They do not wish to extend this war. They want to learn to become more effective. To this end, the leadership of Nemesis Nation is willing to make an offer to Rampant SR to save your entity from sure destruction. We see potential in Rampant SR's pilots, and the corporation in general if taught well. This offer will allow Rampant SR to exist peacefully beside Nemesis Nation, and we will train Rampant SR to be effective. I see that you have much love and loyalty to this entitity that you've created, so it is my hope that you will take this offer to thwart further hostilities.
You will accept one of our Directors into Rampant SR, and assign all shares of the company to myself. If need be, you will need to create new shares, then assigning them to me so that I am the majority shareholder. You will also make our Director one of Rampant SR's directors. We in Nemesis Nation wil then be the protector, benefactor, and teacher of Rampant SR. Through the guidance of our Director, we will help you make Rampant SR into a more effective force, Cattegirn. As such, when we have the shares of Rampant SR, we will have a vested interest in making sure that Rampant SR grows and prospers under our watch.
We actually haven't had to adjust much at all since the war started. We continue to operate in the same region and at the same trade hubs. We have not lost any pilots as a result of Nemesis Nation's hostilities.
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This is the one of two choices you have at this point. One is to follow the route I have outlined above, as I am the pragmatic Director in Nemesis Nation and carry much clout with our CEO. The other is eventual destruction via our Director of War, Ti'jitsu. I don't think I need to stress that our Director of War would be willing to mobilize all our forces to hunt Rampant SR down, no matter where your entity goes, be it elsewhere in Empire or null-sec. He also reserves the right to mobilize our other entities that are not involved in Gallente militia, so Rampant SR will never be safe unless you make the right decision, which is to come under my wing and protection. If you are to come under my jurisdiction, I would be willing to either negotiate the ending of the war with Virginia Corporation, or perhaps just exterminate them if they prove to continue to be hostile.
I think the choice now is rather obvious.
Does anyone have any advice?
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Diana DeVil
Gallente GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.02.08 17:13:00 -
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Wait until they forget to pay their sov bill and take all their space. 
On a more helpful (totally unhelpful) level, they're already adjusting the terms of their offer, at this rate they'll be offering you money to stop killing them within the week!
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Damien Klesk
Gallente Antiquated. Art of Defiance
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Posted - 2010.02.08 17:34:00 -
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Edited by: Damien Klesk on 08/02/2010 17:35:02 Ask in c&p, I'm sure there are loads of people who would dec these guys for some easy kills
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Nicholas Barker
Caldari Black Nova Corp IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.08 17:35:00 -
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pro propaganda machine he's got going there. ------
0800-LAG-A-NODE
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Admiral Pelleon
Caldari White Shadow Imperium
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Posted - 2010.02.08 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Damien Klesk Edited by: Damien Klesk on 08/02/2010 17:35:02 Ask in c&p, I'm sure there are loads of people who would dec these guys for some easy kills
Damnit someone's on to me. ________
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Ekon Bor
Amarr Van Diemen's Demise
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Posted - 2010.02.08 19:26:00 -
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Edited by: Ekon Bor on 08/02/2010 19:29:04 Sounds like a total **** to me... so the guys is (he says) murdering you, but he wants you to sign up because he sees potential? I remember getting one a a year or two back where a CEO said "I have three Australians and they are bored in their own timezone because no one else in on. You are Australian corp, therefore, I say, you must all join or I will destroy you all". Oddly we declined...
"Join my corp or I'll kill you" is a pretty common threat in eve from second rate CEOs who can't get sufficient recruits to tolerate them for long (which is not to say they are second rate pvp'ers, just second rate people). But seeing as they're already backing down on their initial demands I'd let it run. They can't be getting paid for this, there aren't a lot of people who can be assed killing t1 frigs in t2 ships forever, and if it's not seriously losing you people or hampering your operations, you can probably label it good training. Not to mention if they're BSDs in fw you'd think they'd have better things to do.
That said, it's also a good reason to do your research properly before you wardec someone.
*EDIT - at the risk of stating the obvious, it goes without saying that if you were to make one of them a director, they'd nick all you have by way of isk etc. Or at least I would. Then I'd shoot a few of you and **** off. Just my 2 isk worth.
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Cattegirn
Gallente Rampant SR
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Posted - 2010.02.08 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ekon Bor Edited by: Ekon Bor on 08/02/2010 19:29:04 They can't be getting paid for this, there aren't a lot of people who can be assed killing t1 frigs in t2 ships forever, and if it's not seriously losing you people or hampering your operations, you can probably label it good training. Not to mention if they're BSDs in fw you'd think they'd have better things to do.
That said, it's also a good reason to do your research properly before you wardec someone.
*EDIT - at the risk of stating the obvious, it goes without saying that if you were to make one of them a director, they'd nick all you have by way of isk etc. Or at least I would. Then I'd shoot a few of you and **** off. Just my 2 isk worth.
I agree with all of this. It's possible they don't actually intend to do as they say, but would like me to think so... just in case I caved. I don't know... ultimately it was an own goal for getting on their radar but hopefully we can come out the better from it.
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Lunas Whisper
Minmatar The Centurions Eternus Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.08 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ekon Bor Edited by: Ekon Bor on 08/02/2010 19:29:04 Sounds like a total **** to me... so the guys is (he says) murdering you, but he wants you to sign up because he sees potential? I remember getting one a a year or two back where a CEO said "I have three Australians and they are bored in their own timezone because no one else in on. You are Australian corp, therefore, I say, you must all join or I will destroy you all". Oddly we declined...
"Join my corp or I'll kill you" is a pretty common threat in eve from second rate CEOs who can't get sufficient recruits to tolerate them for long (which is not to say they are second rate pvp'ers, just second rate people). But seeing as they're already backing down on their initial demands I'd let it run. They can't be getting paid for this, there aren't a lot of people who can be assed killing t1 frigs in t2 ships forever, and if it's not seriously losing you people or hampering your operations, you can probably label it good training. Not to mention if they're BSDs in fw you'd think they'd have better things to do.
That said, it's also a good reason to do your research properly before you wardec someone.
*EDIT - at the risk of stating the obvious, it goes without saying that if you were to make one of them a director, they'd nick all you have by way of isk etc. Or at least I would. Then I'd shoot a few of you and **** off. Just my 2 isk worth.
This times two. United we stand, divided we fall. |

Imogen Filiotov
Amarr Hounds of Helll Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.02.08 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Lunas Whisper
Originally by: Ekon Bor Edited by: Ekon Bor on 08/02/2010 19:29:04 Sounds like a total **** to me... so the guys is (he says) murdering you, but he wants you to sign up because he sees potential? I remember getting one a a year or two back where a CEO said "I have three Australians and they are bored in their own timezone because no one else in on. You are Australian corp, therefore, I say, you must all join or I will destroy you all". Oddly we declined...
"Join my corp or I'll kill you" is a pretty common threat in eve from second rate CEOs who can't get sufficient recruits to tolerate them for long (which is not to say they are second rate pvp'ers, just second rate people). But seeing as they're already backing down on their initial demands I'd let it run. They can't be getting paid for this, there aren't a lot of people who can be assed killing t1 frigs in t2 ships forever, and if it's not seriously losing you people or hampering your operations, you can probably label it good training. Not to mention if they're BSDs in fw you'd think they'd have better things to do.
That said, it's also a good reason to do your research properly before you wardec someone.
*EDIT - at the risk of stating the obvious, it goes without saying that if you were to make one of them a director, they'd nick all you have by way of isk etc. Or at least I would. Then I'd shoot a few of you and **** off. Just my 2 isk worth.
This times two.
+1
Also, put one of ur alt in their corp and give pos pw's to ppl.
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Nicholas Barker
Caldari Black Nova Corp IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.08 21:35:00 -
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Looking at your killboard, you've lost more ships, but you've lost less in value.
It's actually costing them more money to do this than it is you, only need to compare it against how much money you make. ------
0800-LAG-A-NODE
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Secundus Velari
Gallente Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate On the Rocks
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Posted - 2010.02.08 22:28:00 -
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Heh, he seems awefully full of himself. It goes without saying that if you invite a director and give him rights they will screw you over in a big way, you dont want that. Best thing you can do is to keep flying large gangs of cheap throwaway ships, if you manage to catch them outnumbered and outgunned they have more to loose than you if you end up in the same situation. Hell its a learning experience so tell you peeps to hang in there and make the best of it.
There is the option of paying off a merc corp if you want to really mess with them but that will cost you.
Goodluck!
PS. your name seems familiar, have you played other games under the nick Cattagon?
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Cattegirn
Gallente Rampant SR
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Posted - 2010.02.08 23:09:00 -
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Edited by: Cattegirn on 08/02/2010 23:16:48 I've been asked to post the following:
Zarchilles "We at the Northern Coalition have declared war on Nemesis Nation. We are appalled at what you have done. We have thousands of pilots and if you would like to end the war you will pay 2b (billion) ISK to Rampant SR."
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Arpad Elo
Gallente Rampant SR
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Posted - 2010.02.08 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Nicholas Barker pro propaganda machine he's got going there.
Well this is weird. These guys claimed that the eve mails they have sent us are not public (to members of their corp). That was my first guess as to the purpose of exaggeration in their mails (unless they thought that we would be just somehow confused by it).
Re: adjusting the terms for them to pay us. :) Um, I don't think these guys mind running a negative isk war, strategically speaking, the only thing it would do is put a little bump on their killboard, which isn't a big deal. :)
Anyways, I'm pretty puzzled by the continued focus but... whatever. Um, /popcorn? Oh wait, I got killed, nvm screw popcorn. :)
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Cattegirn
Gallente Rampant SR
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Posted - 2010.02.08 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: Secundus Velari
Goodluck!
PS. your name seems familiar, have you played other games under the nick Cattagon?
Thank you! I feel like a very little fish in a big pond right now.
I haven't used the nick in any other games, no. Most of the other games I play are strategy/wargames and they are offline.
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Nikko Forte
Amarr Rampant SR
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Posted - 2010.02.09 00:19:00 -
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Everyone hold please!!!
Talks are in progress.
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Zerrazick
Caldari The Maverick Navy IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.09 00:49:00 -
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catt: you are cool. I say KI LL THEM!!!!!
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Gyala Frey
Gallente Cryogenic Operations Distorted Percepts
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Posted - 2010.02.09 01:09:00 -
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Holy Crap! What happened to CAOD? I see constructive responses, respectful discourse, and useful feedback.
HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN?
fake edit: Well done people. Nice to see there is more than just a universe of ******* out there. |

Ti'jitsu
Gallente Nemesis Nation
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Posted - 2010.02.09 01:26:00 -
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Forum Propaganda Wars are always delightful.
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Aegis Osiris
Gallente Peanut Factory BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.02.09 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: Ti'jitsu Forum Propaganda Wars are always delightful.
Even when you personally come off looking like a feminine hygiene product? 
If the comment about the NC is true, then your boys are gonna look pretty funny wearin' your ass as a hat  
Enjoy your propaganda....
I like violet more then pink.
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Erikel
Gallente Cosmic Odyssey BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.02.09 01:42:00 -
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We're kinda bored atm, maybe we should wardec Nemesis Nubcakes as well.
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Ti'jitsu
Gallente Nemesis Nation
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Posted - 2010.02.09 02:03:00 -
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Im pretty sure Northern Coalition has other things to worry about currently. But if they want to come down here, we are already at war with FW and other corporations whats another 1000 pilots from NC.
What exactly does it mean when someone calls you cheeky? im not up on my british lingo
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stewieni
Caldari Unknown Soldiers Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.02.09 03:11:00 -
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take that 1 bill wanted, and hire mercs!
Not that i have any love for NC, i hope too **** they do deck NN
keep us posted 
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UVPhoenix2
Gallente Brotherhood of Heart and Steel Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2010.02.09 03:41:00 -
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Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers.
I know how you feel. Material of this nature affect us all in different ways. What you need to do is learn from this. And this is just my sig. |

Salmeria
Gallente GoonFleet Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2010.02.09 03:54:00 -
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Edited by: Salmeria on 09/02/2010 03:54:00 Nemesis Nation sounds like a terrible corp and thats coming from a corp that can't even pay sov bills properly
"Join us or die" sounds like a terrible declaration, I mean really???
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Ekon Bor
Amarr Van Diemen's Demise
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Posted - 2010.02.09 04:31:00 -
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Originally by: Gyala Frey Holy Crap! What happened to CAOD? I see constructive responses, respectful discourse, and useful feedback.
HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN?
fake edit: Well done people. Nice to see there is more than just a universe of ******* out there.
It's because he also posted a link in C&P. Gankers & Thieves are just generally nice people 
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Angelhunter
Gallente Black Nova Corp IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.09 05:27:00 -
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Good read, and good luck Rampant. From the looks of the killboard you are more then holding your own against these FW heavyweights, keep it up!
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Swalesey
Minmatar Prosperity Through Violence
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Posted - 2010.02.09 11:51:00 -
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Stories like this are what make eve awesome. kick them in the nuts dude!
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Swalesey
Minmatar Prosperity Through Violence
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Posted - 2010.02.09 12:06:00 -
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Edited by: Swalesey on 09/02/2010 12:06:45
Originally by: Swalesey Stories like this are what make eve awesome. kick them in the nuts dude!
EDIT:Checking them out on bc, it's hard to find a kill with less than 15 people on it, and even harder to find one with a nemesis pilot anywhere near top damage dealer. so that's probably why there failing to get to grips with you guys. No help from the millita in high sec :)
FAIL EDIT: Why would they put the quote button right next to the edit button. WHY! :P
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ChaeDoc II
Gallente Capital Construction Research
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Posted - 2010.02.09 15:22:00 -
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This is a Gallente FW corp? lol.
Ask them how they're doing against the Caldari.
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