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Bagehi
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Posted - 2010.02.08 22:25:00 -
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What do you expect from a giant rust bucket? That said, OP is correct in that the Hel does not follow the same trend as other super carriers.
However, considering the Hel has the second most shields and the second least armor, it should logically be shield tanked. Unless of course we are broaching the topic of capital shield tanks not being on par with capital armor tanks again.
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Posted - 2010.02.09 18:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
The Hel is quite expensive, and its high slots will generally be dedicated to things that definitely aren't RR. Thus, it ought to lose the RR bonus and gain something more useful. I don't know exactly what - drone speed?
Wins my vote. Those bombers are slow. Minmatar ditch useful things like dps and uniform tank so they can make things faster (better agility, top speed, and alpha strike for quick kills). Even their drones are faster across the board. It should follow that their focus would be to give their fighters the ability to actually get in range to attack MWD BS and their bombers the ability to get to launch range faster.
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Posted - 2010.05.19 20:34:00 -
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Edited by: Bagehi on 19/05/2010 20:37:42
Originally by: Numinos
i actually havent thought about going passive shield and armor tank the same time. Ure right that pushes it up to 24mio ehp. but u need all slots pressed full with complex stuff to reach only 2/3 of the nyx. the nyx on the other hand has still all its medslots free for caprecharge or EW or whatever.
Please show us this 35m EHP Nyx. I'm guessing it has 2+b isk of implants in the head plus faction/complex modules. Following this line of thinking can spawn EFT Warrior fits like this:
[Hel, Holy Hel]
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System x4
Damage Control II
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field x2
Pith X-Type Ballistic Deflection Field
Pith X-Type Photon Scattering Field x2
Pith X-Type Heat Dissipation Field
Pith X-Type Explosion Dampening Field
Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing
Large Core Defence Field Extender II
Large Core Defence Field Extender II
Large Core Defence Field Extender II
(with a shield mind link, ZET3000, KVA2000, KYA2000)
36+m EHP, a passive shield regen of about 4400 HP/sec, and a cap recharge similar to a Nyx with 3 cap rechargers.
The Nyx ends up with much less HP/sec, less EHP, much more cap use (Nyx has to use cap to get HP/sec), for 2 spare mid slots over the Hel. The Hel, in fact, has more flexibility than the Nyx (it can use all mid+low slots for bigger tank or substitute mid slots for other uses).
Again, EFT Warrior fits (which are usually not far off from how people fit a 15+b isk ship that can't be insured). The Hel is a tougher nut to crack than the Nyx.
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Bagehi
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Posted - 2010.06.28 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Kristina Kirtchner
The real desbalance are in the form which the supercarrier bonus are applied on each race:
Nyx: damage bonus apply on fightersbombers;
Aeon: Masive tank boost on armor resistances;
Wyrven: Masive tank boost on shield resistanes;
Hel: bonus of remote reps identical to a carrier.
Whit fleet combat fit, Hel can cap estable operate only two reps remotes.
In other words:
1 Nyx = damage done like 8 Thanatos
1 Aeon/Wyrvern = Tank like 15 carriers;
1 Hel = remote rep like 2 nid or 1 siege carrier;
Hels reps bonus need a rebalance fix acoording her supercarrier status.
Reps Range?
Amount of hp repaired?
Caps bonus to operate rep remote modules?
Tanks habilities arent the real problem if this fail bonuses will be fix.
This seems like an accurate assessment. Because the bonuses are still based on the module, not the ship (like the other races' s-carriers), the bonuses do not scale up like those of the other races' s-carriers.
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