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Obsidian Hawk
Free Galactic Enterprises FREGE
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Posted - 2010.02.09 02:45:00 -
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But I have a decent article why. Development of Incarna
Cheers.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.02.09 03:24:00 -
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isn't that also when dust comes out 
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.02.09 03:26:00 -
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I really doubt that we'll see Incarna even as soon as this December. Normally by now they'd have released some info on the spring/March expansion. I think that the next expansion for mid year will be pretty empty of content.
They'll probably make a huge deal about T3 frigs, but they'll end up being redundant and not really have much of an impact on the game at all, similar to how EAS frigs are currently.
We'll probably see little progress in the development of a better mining system, better production and invention, resource management, the development of lowsec space, the reduction of highsec as an easy and completely safe source of ISK, the continued use of local as an intel tool.
The game will continue to slow in it's progression. It'll continue to grow, but at a slower and slower pace with each step being more conservative than the last, particularly when it comes to PVP changes. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr Onei Robotics
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Posted - 2010.02.09 03:41:00 -
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I'll be pretty shocked if Incarna doesn't come out this winter actually.
My guess has always been winter 2010 and I made that guess 3 years ago, if it really doesn't come by then well i'll be a more than little upset.
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Ryhss
Caldari The Templar Navy SRS.
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Posted - 2010.02.09 03:58:00 -
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I hope Incrapa keeps getting pushed back. This is my sig, stop reading. |

Arci Arratece
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Posted - 2010.02.09 04:04:00 -
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Incarna isn't getting pushed back, thay said it'd be out in December, June is Planetary Interaction and Dust, then Incarna comes after that. We've known that since fanfest, welcome to November.
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NEMESIS SIN
0Zunu
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Posted - 2010.02.09 04:04:00 -
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Edited by: NEMESIS SIN on 09/02/2010 04:05:57 I think that the real issue with Incarna is that the ways it can break the game, and make it really suck, are far to many to count.
In a game where people won't even undock during a wardec, go to low sec, or engage in PVP unless there are overwhelming odds in their favor--a station only expansion of EVE Online that would make it so you would never have to touch a spaceship again--could be a real issue for this game.
Implementing such a thing needs to be done very delicately, if CCP wants to maintain the "spaceship sandbox" MMO that they have been pitching. Could you imagine if a good % of EVE Online hardly every undocked, or only undocked half the time?
What becomes of places like Jita, wardecs, and 0.0 pew pew, if people can just dock, gamble and look at strippers while the real game is trying to happen outside?
Its kind of a big deal, and it has nothing to do with the technological development needed to implement it. We could Have WOW-like characters walking in stations right now if CCP wanted it.
All that being said, Dominion created epic, fleet blob killing lag. Imagine what bugs Incarna could bring to the tabele. 
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Sader Rykane
Amarr Onei Robotics
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Posted - 2010.02.09 04:07:00 -
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Originally by: NEMESIS SIN Edited by: NEMESIS SIN on 09/02/2010 04:05:34 I think that the real issue with Incarna is that the ways it can break the game, and make it really suck, are far to many to count.
In a game where people won't even undock during a wardec, go to low sec, or engage in PVP unless there are overwhelming odds in their favor--a station only expansion of EVE Online, that would make it so you would never have to touch a spaceship again--could be a real issue for this game.
Implementing such a thing needs to be done very delicately, if CCP wants to maintain the "spaceship sandbox" MMO that they have been pitching. Could you imagine if a good % of EVE Online hardly every undocked, or only undocked half the time?
What becomes of places like Jita, wardecs, and 0.0 pew pew, if people can just dock, gamble and look at strippers while the real game is trying to happen outside?
Its kind of a big deal, and it has nothing to do with the technological development needed to implement it. We could Have WOW-like characters walking in stations right now if CCP wanted it.
All that being said, Dominion created epic, fleet blob killing lag. Imagine what bugs Incarna could bring to the tabele. 
How is not having Incarna more likely to make me undock during a wardec?
If I'm outnumbered and being station camped I'm not going to undock just because I can't go gamble and play Eve-Dressup... I'll just go replay Mass Effect again.
Your argument isn't valid.
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NEMESIS SIN
0Zunu
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Posted - 2010.02.09 04:10:00 -
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I like how the scared little carebear picked out only the wardec part of everything I just said, and ignored everything else. 
Don't worry spinning in station is about to become allot more fun.
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Pesky LaRue
Minmatar Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
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Posted - 2010.02.09 04:22:00 -
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Originally by: NEMESIS SIN I like how the scared little carebear picked out only the wardec part of everything I just said, and ignored everything else. 
Don't worry spinning in station is about to become allot more fun.
You make it sound like your post was filled with didactic diatribes but it seemed to boil down to the point that he addressed.
You are saying that having an actual avatar will make people less likely to undock - and perhaps you're correct, for many I'm sure it will - but you're saying that once Incana is in, people who have been wardec'd and don't want to fight will have entertainment within EvE, rather than logging out.
If you're in the habit of wardecing high-sec carebear corps then yes, Incana probably won't be in YOUR favour, but perhaps if you would wardec people who WANT to fight, that won't be so much of an issue?
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Frenden Dax
Dax Acquisitions
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Posted - 2010.02.09 04:33:00 -
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Incarna is a fluff expansion.
I'd much rather see revisions to existing content than I would be able to run around playing Second Life in EVE. So many things are in need of tweaks or improvement. Mining, POS, manufacturing (especially T1, needs more complexity), lowsec, vanilla T1 loot drops, PVE content (boring, very small selection of things to do, etc) and so on.
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.02.09 04:34:00 -
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Originally by: Sader Rykane
If I'm outnumbered and being station camped I'm not going to undock just because I can't go gamble and play Eve-Dressup... I'll just go replay Mass Effect again.
Oh man I hope the strippers in Eve are much better than the ones in Mass Effect. :-/
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |

Kyra Felann
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.02.09 04:36:00 -
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Guess what? EVE may not be a game about unicorns as originally thought, but may in fact be about spaceships. Here is an article that explains why.
Who thought it'd be out this summer? They said at FanFest that the next expansion would be planetary interaction and after that would be Incarna. So unless you think they're going to release them in spring and summer instead of summer and winter, Incarna should be coming out this winter.
But thanks for pointing out that something that no one thought would happen (Incarna coming out this summer)is in fact, not going to happen. We're all quite relieved.
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Captain Mastiff
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Posted - 2010.02.09 04:37:00 -
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Least it will bring a whole new level to ship spinning, Avatar spinning!
I think it will be a good change, it will allow for a greater range of players to join as the lack of an avatar is an issue with them. I think the more players the better.
For the comment about war decelerations, to be honest I hate station humping and the vast majority of it takes place in high sec. It is not the bear that won't undock is the issue its the bear that sits outside waiting for an easy kill and won't engage in a less safe environment and whom usually does the vast majority of smack is the issue.
Having an Avatar will give me something else to do when I'm completely out numbered, I could actually stay logged on Eve rather than using my alt to check if its clear and if not logging both accounts off and playing some Team Fortress 2 or BF2.
Unfortunately, this Incarna just looks exactly like Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic the similarities between the inside of buildings looks is uncanny. However I can imagine it will only look good on a max'd out PC and by the time it comes out the system requirements will be much higher than they are now. Otherwise you'll be just watching a bunch of wondering turds mindlessly bumping off each other as they hit their MicroRunDrive.
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Kessiaan
Minmatar Final Agony
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Posted - 2010.02.09 04:39:00 -
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Edited by: Kessiaan on 09/02/2010 04:40:14 I fully support CCP taking their time and doing it right, so long as it's worth the wait.
Ambulation (or Walking in Stations or whatever the hell we're calling it now) has the potential to be the single most expansive addition to EvE ever (and possibly the whole MMO genre) if it's done right. I've been saying that since I started playing this game in 2007 and I'll keep saying it until it finally comes out.
I really don't care if someone's wartargets suddenly have options other than 'undock and run for it' or 'go play something else for a while'. I hate station games, I think most people do.
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MrBinary
Minmatar Binary Systems
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Posted - 2010.02.09 04:44:00 -
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Bring on the new content CCP...never mind the min-maxers.
To the poster worrying about others spending their paid dime in station, on planet, whatever or wherever...why do you care so much about how others play their game? They don't care about yours.
Yes there will be players who decide to spend alot of their time exploring the new content...there will always be those still piloting starcraft.
And making the insinuation that CCP will ruin THEIR game with any of the new content is foolish banter at best...they have continually improved this game from day one.
"[ 2004.05.20 20:11:42 ] Hodal Xibur > Die MrBinary" |

Tribunia
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Posted - 2010.02.09 04:54:00 -
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Originally by: NEMESIS SIN ...What becomes of places like Jita, wardecs, and 0.0 pew pew, if people can just dock, gamble and look at strippers while the real game is trying to happen outside?...
The real game? The real game is what people wants. If you want to be shootin stuff, theres nothing stopping you as like minded abound and plenty, but only if you go looking for them instead of wardecing carebears.
Right? 
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.02.09 05:17:00 -
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The funny part is how I bet the guys that now go "boo, walking in station, who the hell needs it" and "lame, why play a female avatar" will be among the first to create new female avatars and dress'em up into many different clothing styles just to oogle their curves 
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Beginner's ISK making guide | Manufacturer's helper | All about reacting _
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.02.09 05:36:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T The funny part is how I bet the guys that now go "boo, walking in station, who the hell needs it" and "lame, why play a female avatar" will be among the first to create new female avatars and dress'em up into many different clothing styles just to oogle their curves 
Who has to create a new female avatar? 
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |

Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar Cat's Cradle
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Posted - 2010.02.09 05:40:00 -
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Just fix the ****ing bugs and forget about adding more content (which will introduce more bugs anyway).
CCP = Cant Code Properly  ___________________________________________________ CSM - Bring back Medium Shader! |

Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.02.09 05:41:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren Who has to create a new female avatar? 
Not us, that's for sure 
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Beginner's ISK making guide | Manufacturer's helper | All about reacting _
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.02.09 06:22:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Liang Nuren Who has to create a new female avatar? 
Not us, that's for sure 
I won't I'll just peak at you two 
SCREENSHOTS CAN!?!?
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James Tritanius
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Posted - 2010.02.09 06:24:00 -
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Let's hope CCP doesn't pull a Blizzard...
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.02.09 07:00:00 -
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Originally by: NEMESIS SIN Edited by: NEMESIS SIN on 09/02/2010 04:06:54 I think that the real issue with Incarna is that the ways it can break the game, and make it really suck, are far to many to count.
In a game where people won't even undock during a wardec, go to low sec, or engage in PVP unless there are overwhelming odds in their favor--a station only expansion of EVE Online that would make it so you would never have to touch a spaceship again--could be a real issue for this game.
Implementing such a thing needs to be done very delicately, if CCP wants to maintain the "spaceship sandbox" MMO that they have been pitching. Could you imagine if a good % of EVE Online hardly every undocked, or only undocked half the time?
What becomes of places like Jita, wardecs, and 0.0 pew pew, if people can just dock, gamble and look at strippers while the real game is trying to happen outside?
Its kind of a big deal, and it has nothing to do with the technological development needed to implement it. We could Have WOW-like characters walking in stations right now if CCP wanted it.
All that being said, Dominion created epic, fleet blob killing lag. Imagine what bugs Incarna could bring to the tabel. 
Welcome to the world of station trading. 
You are really upset that someone can do his things without ever undocking. fun.
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.02.09 07:09:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
I won't I'll just peak at you two 
SCREENSHOTS CAN!?!?
Absolutely. I'm thinking of a $5/month subscription fee, all you can eat kind of thing. 
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |

NEMESIS SIN
0Zunu
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Posted - 2010.02.09 14:49:00 -
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Edited by: NEMESIS SIN on 09/02/2010 14:50:55 As usual the carebear crowd chimes in with their already prepared responses to why they should be able to avoid any kind of unfavorable interactions in PVP based game, with thousands upon thousands of subscribers on the same server.
So fine... I shall reword it for the children.
EVE is a space game, its been based as a space game and sold as a space game. In station avatars are fun yes, but if you deny that the potential is there for it to unbalance the EVE environment, you are being short sighted, and well, rather ignorant.
Whenever I read about EVE's creation, it always reads of an inspiration that is based on the idea of a massive spaceship game. Making EVE also about what happens when your not inside of a spaceship, is the biggest deviation from CCP's original concept in the history of this game.
I am not saying it will kill the wardecing of noob corps, as I am not saying that CCP will not implement it well (once they tweak all the bugs out) what I am saying (for those of you who have reading comprehension problems) is that if Incarna is not implemented with the proper savvy and planning, it could drastically effect the way we play EVE Online--and not necessarily in a positive way.
From what I have read, this is why CCP had waited so long to release it. They were trying to figure out how it could best tie into the world that they had created. In the end I am confident they will do it well and it will be an awesome expansion, however, I believe this will be the case ONLY because they waited so long to implement it, and because they took enough time to really think about how it will effect the EVE universe as a whole.
Does that make more sense now crybabies?
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Awesome Possum
Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2010.02.09 14:54:00 -
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IMO the only thing that should be allowed while docked is picking up goods from a station.
Everything else should happen undocked.
And the station should autoboot you after 15-20mins docked.
internet spaceships ♥
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Magnus Nordir
Caldari Nordir Industries
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Posted - 2010.02.09 14:58:00 -
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Edited by: Magnus Nordir on 09/02/2010 14:59:02 See the fanfest videos.
Summer 2010 - Planetary interaction Winter 2010 - Dust 514 Soon(TM) - Incarna --------------------------- Only those who surrender are lost |

JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2010.02.09 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Nooma K'Larr
CCP = Cant Code Properly 
Truth hurts
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Genya Arikaido
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Posted - 2010.02.09 15:50:00 -
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Just remember when CCP pulled the fast one on us and unveiled Dust 514 in what seems to be a VERY playable state.
Incarna has only *really* been delayed thanks to the need to redesign it's purpose a few times as EVE itself has evolved. It's coming very soon...and yes, I know I left off the Ö.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad.
Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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