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Benri Konpaku	Posted - 2010.02.09 16:03:00 - [31] Originally by: NEMESIS SIN Emoraging stuff about people not playing the game his way. Wrong. EVE is a sandbox game, in space. And because of that whatever you think EVE should be like is irrelevant for the rest of us. We'll just take whatever CCP adds to the game and enjoy it as we see fit. So deal with it.
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.09 16:08:00 - [32] Originally by: NEMESIS SIN EVE is a space game It may be that to you, but it ceased to be it to CCP some 3–4 years ago, maybe more. EVE is simply the capsuleer part of a larger Sci Fi simulator (as they like to call it), and it's not even the central part of that simulation. Nor are capsuleers limited to their space ships within that universe. The central part of it all isn't even a game – it's a bunch of data connections that tie all of New Eden together. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Hoodat Bee	Posted - 2010.02.09 16:18:00 - [33] I don't mind people being able to walk around in stations so long as I can run in and shoot them in the face. I mean, imagine the hilarious situations that would ensue! A bunch of people are putting on a fashion show when ninja gunmen run in and shoot everyone in the face, only to be gunned down themselves by station cops. As an ebil person, I practically creamed my pants just thinking about how funny that would be. Plus, the whole thing seems designed around putting out machiminia. In which case, I'd really appreciate it if CCP either had a wide diversity in settings or allowed players to create their own sets. How can you do a space noir flick without seedy bars and dirty apartments.
Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.02.09 16:28:00 - [34] Edited by: Grimpak on 09/02/2010 16:28:11 there is only one thing that I am eagerly expecting in Incarna, and that's the tac-room. rest is cosmetic, albeit still welcome to me. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Aurora IV	Posted - 2010.02.09 16:38:00 - [35] Quote: I don't mind people being able to walk around in stations so long as I can run in and shoot them in the face. I mean, imagine the hilarious situations that would ensue! A bunch of people are putting on a fashion show when ninja gunmen run in and shoot everyone in the face, only to be gunned down themselves by station cops. As an ebil person, I practically creamed my pants just thinking about how funny that would be. Thats all im really looking for. If I can't do that then meh, other people can have fun playing dress up, ill pass. But If I can run around like a ****** shooting people in the face, even if I can only shoot war targets, then this will be the best expansion ever.
Wacktopia Dark Side Of The Womb	Posted - 2010.02.09 16:48:00 - [36] Edited by: Wacktopia on 09/02/2010 16:48:45 If I see that WIS picture of the chick in the red spacesuit from three years ago again I think I'm gonna puke. Walking in Sta... Amula.... Incarna.... whatever it's called is a CCP running joke - these tease us with it every year but they'll never do it haha. ---------------------- They're angry there was damage done to their ship.
NEMESIS SIN 0Zunu	Posted - 2010.02.09 17:17:00 - [37] Edited by: NEMESIS SIN on 09/02/2010 17:24:53 Originally by: Benri Konpaku Originally by: NEMESIS SIN Emoraging stuff about people not playing the game his way. Wrong. EVE is a sandbox game, in space. And because of that whatever you think EVE should be like is irrelevant for the rest of us. We'll just take whatever CCP adds to the game and enjoy it as we see fit. So deal with it. Here you go Obviously you have not read much into EVE's real life (as in out of game) history. What CCP's wants out of EVE, right down to the gigantic Titan filled blobs that Dominion created, is very clear and not up for much interpretation. As is what they want to see come from Incarna. This is not what "I want", all you have to do is read a little to see the history of how this game has, and will continue to evolve. As far as this "Evil griefer EMO rage thing", Incarna will, without a doubt, create new ways to get people like you to cry, smack talk, and whine in local. So if I am indeed a "big mean griefer" then people like me will not be very disappointed. So deal with it. Also: Originally by: NEMESIS SIN From what I have read, this is why CCP had waited so long to release it. They were trying to figure out how it could best tie into the world that they had created. In the end I am confident they will do it well and it will be an awesome expansion, however, I believe this will be the case ONLY because they waited so long to implement it, and because they took enough time to really think about how it will effect the EVE universe as a whole. Reading comprehension FTW?
Obsidian Hawk Free Galactic Enterprises FREGE	Posted - 2010.02.09 18:17:00 - [38] I smell a lot of whine comeing from here. Maybe some cheese will help. Anyway the point of this article was to show how ccp is doing incarna. They are not using the game community to design it. They are using modelers, fashion designers, they are using everything to make incarna but game developers. Did no one read the article in my op, or did you guys just see the word incarna and go into immediate whine and rant mode. Now kids go read the article and discuss what this means as game development and the inpact this will have. Did they do this for dust also? how similar are the engines for dust and incarna? etc you know crap like that.
Droog 1 Black Rise Inbreds	Posted - 2010.02.09 18:27:00 - [39] I havn't left my ship for 5 years. To me, Incarna (walking in stations) will be interesting for about 5 minutes. At least it will help with load on the server though.
NEMESIS SIN 0Zunu	Posted - 2010.02.09 18:32:00 - [40] Edited by: NEMESIS SIN on 09/02/2010 18:35:30 Yes I read it. "Rather than hiring level designers, character modelers and texture artists, they made the bold move of looking outside the games industry for talent. They hired fashion designers to create realistic clothes for the EVE setting, with unique styles for each race. Rather than level designers who could create spaces suitable for use in an FPS game, they hired architects to create realistic spaces with realistic human usability in mind." To me this is referencing how pretty they are trying to make it, and how they are going about making it visually stunning. It has nothing to do with how it ties into the grand scheme of EVE's game mechanics as a whole. I am however discussing the impact it could have on the game, and I am referencing others things that I have read and watched regarding Incarna. What does the link your provided mean to you?
Kyra Felann Gallente	Posted - 2010.02.09 18:46:00 - [41] Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Did no one read the article in my op Yeah, we read it a while ago. That info is about a year old. People are treating this as a whine thread because the info is old and the fact that Incarna is not coming this summer has been known since Fanfest, which was a few months ago. So this thread is kind of pointless, so people use it to whine about how Incarna doesn't fit into their idea of EVE. I for one am looking forward to it very much, and I don't expect it until this winter at earliest.
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.09 18:52:00 - [42] Originally by: NEMESIS SIN Obviously you have not read much into EVE's real life (as in out of game) history. What CCP's wants out of EVE, right down to the gigantic Titan filled blobs that Dominion created, is very clear and not up for much interpretation. Right back at ya' big fella'. You see, if you had read up on what CCP wants out of EVE, you'd know by now that it's not meant to be a "space game", or even that precious old "internet spaceships" – it's meant to grow into a complete sci-fi world. You're quite right: they've been very clear about what it is, and it's not what you're describing. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.02.09 19:20:00 - [43] What makes you think they will ever release Incarna? It's been in the works and pushed back for years now :P Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Mire Stoude The Undesirables	Posted - 2010.02.09 19:31:00 - [44] Deja Vu... Is this 2008?
Jagga Spikes Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2010.02.09 19:32:00 - [45] they have no choice. CCP has to keep improving and expanding EVE, or someone will take them off throne. ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2010.02.09 19:54:00 - [46] Originally by: NEMESIS SIN Edited by: NEMESIS SIN on 09/02/2010 18:35:30 Yes I read it. "Rather than hiring level designers, character modelers and texture artists, they made the bold move of looking outside the games industry for talent. They hired fashion designers to create realistic clothes for the EVE setting, with unique styles for each race. Rather than level designers who could create spaces suitable for use in an FPS game, they hired architects to create realistic spaces with realistic human usability in mind." To me this is referencing how pretty they are trying to make it, and how they are going about making it visually stunning. Yes, it will loot very pretty when run on their offline Dev-computers. Once on TQ, it will end in huge lag, so that the players will have to use the lowest graphic settings to be able to move around at all. The current avatar MMOs start having lag issues if you get like 50-60 people at one place, as you have more stuff to process than Eve-ships (character animation, clothing etc. imagine if every ship had a unique outfit, face details and animation for each action). Now think of Eve, where there is no shard division, you might get like 200+ people in one of the major stations (somewhere in or near Jita) - this can't go well.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2010.02.09 20:03:00 - [47] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba The current avatar MMOs start having lag issues if you get like 50-60 people at one place, as you have more stuff to process than Eve-ships (character animation, clothing etc. imagine if every ship had a unique outfit, face details and animation for each action). Now think of Eve, where there is no shard division, you might get like 200+ people in one of the major stations (somewhere in or near Jita) - this can't go well. Scotty the makeup boutique proprietor has put you in a queue for access to LE SKUNKS MAKEUP SHOP. You are currently 8th in line. (o)
MsValentineWiggin	Posted - 2010.02.09 20:16:00 - [48] It could be that Incarta is already in the game, but with Dominion lag it won't load grid until winter 2010. Originally by: NEMESIS SIN [ if people can just dock, gamble and look at strippers while the real game is trying to happen outside? Gambling & Strippers > most things While obviously not the majority of time played, but if you consider alts for Station trading, price checks, waiting in station while main grinds rep, datacore farming, etc. - a very sizable minority of character slots contain pilots that don't undock much. The upside is that one of the big moneymakers (literally since they allow 2-way RMT) in Second Life was selling genitalia and fetish gear. Potentially whole new product lines for industrialists. The downside is that the EVE people who whine about their ship needing a buff are really going to whine about needing a buff for their pen1s. Please remember that CCP is a corporation, not a person. When some employee makes a casual internet posting that a strategy is XXX, over the years that employee could have left the company or promoted or w/e; the new person making the decision might have a different idea. Plus, the marketplace changes. Five years ago, I would have predicted a better PS3/XBox360 ratio and would never have believed near the success of FaceBook and Twitter. Apple went from not being a phone company to having 50% greater profits than Nokia and delivering 98% of smartphone apps. Companies have to adapt their strategies to a changing world.
NEMESIS SIN 0Zunu	Posted - 2010.02.09 20:28:00 - [49] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: NEMESIS SIN Obviously you have not read much into EVE's real life (as in out of game) history. What CCP's wants out of EVE, right down to the gigantic Titan filled blobs that Dominion created, is very clear and not up for much interpretation. Right back at ya' big fella'. You see, if you had read up on what CCP wants out of EVE, you'd know by now that it's not meant to be a "space game", or even that precious old "internet spaceships" û it's meant to grow into a complete sci-fi world. You're quite right: they've been very clear about what it is, and it's not what you're describing. Ok, provide link big fella. Unless your referring to CCP's comments on how they want EVE to encompass, pretty much, all of the sci-fi world. In which case, that does not mean that they do not want the bulk of EVE Online to be primarily an internet spaceships game. But if indeed, there is a link somewhere out there with DEVs clearly saying that is what they want instead, I will read it, and accept that I am mistaken. So enlighten me with some linkage.
Hakaru Ishiwara Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.02.09 20:30:00 - [50] And the player-based, overcrowded elevator bug testing methodology will proceed as follows: 1) 100 players stand outside the elevator door and scratch their left butt cheek; attempt to enter the elevator upon prompting. 2) 100 players already in the elevator /emote rage and pump fists. 3) Report back client-side frames per second and what happened as a result of scratching one's butt cheek. 4) GMs shut down the test, censor the QA engineers and state: "Working as intended."
Benri Konpaku	Posted - 2010.02.09 20:46:00 - [51] Originally by: NEMESIS SIN So enlighten me with some linkage. There's no need to because no one cares about changing your mind. In my case I was just informing you of the situation (out of pure good-will, because I'm a saint) so you stopped emoraging. But the truth is even CCP can't control what players will do with the content they add to the game (see blobs) so even if you were right -which you are definitely not- it wouldn't change the fact that people will play the content as they see fit no matter how much you smack talk on local outside the station. So start dealing with it already.
NEMESIS SIN 0Zunu	Posted - 2010.02.09 21:43:00 - [52] I don't think that comment was directed towards you, it is evident you don't read much at all from your bad posting. But never stop posting!! BTW I was under the impression that CCP is fond of blobs. They have said flat out, more then once, that they love it when 1,000 people converge in a single fight. However, on that note, now that we have established the fact that I am unimportant, and not worth responding to, I challenge you to cease responding to me in this thread. Thx and goodbye. Mwaa!!! <3 Now, would anyone like to actually talk about the potential effects of Incarna VS the present game environment. And include content that does not involve lag? I have actually presented an opinion, though many of you here somehow have discerned that I was staking a claim that Incarna would kill wardecing cearbear nooblets in Empire. I never said any such thing.
Daemonspirit Redhawk Tribal Trust	Posted - 2010.02.09 21:44:00 - [53] Don't care about Incarna, couldn't care less when its released or any problems it causes. Incarna = irrelevant to me. Anyone who intends to engage in any activity involving incarna = gbtw. Thanks. ôEveryone has a right to be stupid; some people just abuse the privilege.ö
AdmiralJohn The Unknown Bar and Pub Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.09 22:06:00 - [54] NEMESIS SIN, you are bad at trolling. I'm sorry I had to be the one to break it to you
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.02.09 22:25:00 - [55] Originally by: Kessiaan Edited by: Kessiaan on 09/02/2010 04:40:14 I fully support CCP taking their time and doing it right, so long as it's worth the wait. Ambulation (or Walking in Stations or whatever the hell we're calling it now) has the potential to be the single most expansive addition to EvE ever (and possibly the whole MMO genre) if it's done right. I've been saying that since I started playing this game in 2007 and I'll keep saying it until it finally comes out. I really don't care if someone's wartargets suddenly have options other than 'undock and run for it' or 'go play something else for a while'. I hate station games, I think most people do. Exactly. Incarna is absolutely necessary for EVE - and CCP - to survive and grow in scope in the years to come. I am at a loss as to how people can be blind to the long term potential of Incarna. It is probably the single most important expansion EVE will ever get. The possibilities are almost limitless, as anyone with the least imagination can easily see. In the long term, EVE needs more things to do.
Elise Randolph The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.02.09 22:27:00 - [56] Originally by: Obsidian Hawk They are not using the game community to design it. Because that really worked out well for Dominion.
Daemonspirit Redhawk Tribal Trust	Posted - 2010.02.09 23:03:00 - [57] Originally by: MalcanisExactly. Incarna is absolutely necessary for EVE - and CCP - to survive and grow in scope in the years to come. I am at a loss as to how people can be blind to the long term potential of Incarna. It is probably the single most important expansion EVE will ever get. The possibilities are almost limitless, as anyone with the least imagination can easily see. In the long term, EVE needs more things to do.[/quote Unimaginitive and Blind, reporting in! ôEveryone has a right to be stupid; some people just abuse the privilege.ö
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.09 23:06:00 - [58] Originally by: NEMESIS SIN Ok, provide link big fella. Any of the larger fanfest presentations from the last two years. '09 is on their youtube channel, '08 is in the download section on your left. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Nadarius Chrome Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2010.02.09 23:06:00 - [59] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Sader Rykane If I'm outnumbered and being station camped I'm not going to undock just because I can't go gamble and play Eve-Dressup... I'll just go replay Mass Effect again. Oh man I hope the strippers in Eve are much better than the ones in Mass Effect. :-/ -Liang Duke 3d. "Shake it baby..."
Belysia	Posted - 2010.02.09 23:24:00 - [60] Incarna really is not very important to current players or gameplay. It is however very important to bring in new players and is certainly a welcomed feature. I wonder how much clothes are going to cost? After all we are capsuleers normal person would have the amount of funds we have.

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