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ddr800
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Posted - 2010.02.11 00:00:00 -
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Edited by: ddr800 on 11/02/2010 00:03:30 Edited by: ddr800 on 11/02/2010 00:01:49 Suicide ganking shouldn't pay out insurance on death when your killed by concord you shouldn't get insurance pay-outs. This gives suicide Gankers the ability to lose a few ships and still come out head while only killing one.
An example video i found these guys lost 5 ships and still came out ahead because of the lost of implants and such on a pod kill, while the gankers only lost ships they insured
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rixYN76A3Mw&feature=rec-fresh+div-r-2-HM
I know some of you are just going flame like faqs, i would say more agree suicide ganking shouldn't pay out insurance and the majority gets what they want. Ether Agree or disagree I don't really give dam what you think about me or am interested in hearing your flame faq post.
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randomname4me
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Posted - 2010.02.11 00:02:00 -
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posting in suicide ganking shouldn't pay out insurance thread number 53472854.
Originally by: CCP Navigator Thread has degenerated into nothing but spam.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2010.02.11 00:03:00 -
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Que someone saying "In real life the police like, totaly dont let you get insurance payments like, if you were to ram raid a shop or something"
SKUNK (o)
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AdmiralJohn
The Unknown Bar and Pub Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.11 00:05:00 -
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This is a new and insightful idea! If only someone else had though of this before!
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.11 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: ddr800 Suicide ganking shouldn't pay out insurance on death when your killed by concord you shouldn't get insurance pay-outs.
Why not?
Quote: This gives suicide Gankers the ability to lose a few ships and still come out head while only killing one.
First of all, by very definition, they lose all ships, not "a few". Second of all, so what? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Catherine Frasier
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Posted - 2010.02.11 00:08:00 -
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Edited by: Catherine Frasier on 11/02/2010 00:13:40
Originally by: ddr800 flame faq post.
Are there actually a FAQs about flames or was that just a bit of censor-skirting homophobia?
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: ddr800 Suicide ganking shouldn't pay out insurance on death when your killed by concord you shouldn't get insurance pay-outs.
Why not?
Depends, are you asking for the internal consistency (in-game) reason or the game balance reason. There is a valid answer in both areas.
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ddr800
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Posted - 2010.02.11 00:12:00 -
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Aye, its such an original idea... maybe if we give ccp bloody ears they will listen. I will try it out,
"I dedicate this one to you space ganking monkey man..".
You should ram the bank with your car in attempt to steal from it and then claim the insurance after your arrested...
"men of pure genius...."
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Gladys Pank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.02.11 00:20:00 -
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Pathetic ~ Soar Like a Penguin |
egot istical
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Posted - 2010.02.11 00:23:00 -
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awww.... someone *****ing about suicide ganks.... u angry cuz u lost something in hulkageddon? hope it was expensive
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Catherine Frasier
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Posted - 2010.02.11 00:29:00 -
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Edited by: Catherine Frasier on 11/02/2010 00:29:52
Originally by: egot istical awww.... someone *****ing about suicide ganks.... u angry cuz u lost something in hulkageddon? hope it was expensive
I have never, ever been suicide ganked. I still think it needs to be changed.
Some people care more about the game as a whole than about what they happen to be doing at the moment, although you probably find that difficult to imagine.
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Ricelord
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Posted - 2010.02.11 00:30:00 -
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If they wanted to fix suicide gank insurance, they would have done it ages ago.
They don't want to fix it. They find it fun, refreshing, and original. Working as intended.
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ddr800
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Posted - 2010.02.11 00:30:00 -
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Actually no to date I have lost 0 ships to suicide ganks, that's generally the case when you have over 45m sp, This isn't personal unlike some of you homo sapiens want it to be, its based on the game defying logic and reason. hulkageddon was laughable the day you want to lose 5 battleships to take out my hulk go for it, till then stick to newbs bottom feeders.
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Gladys Pank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.02.11 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: ddr800 Aye, its such an original idea... maybe if we give ccp bloody ears they will listen. I will try it out,
Maybe if you paid attention in the relevant forum sections, this has been taken to the developers by the CSM, and the general conclusion is they are looking to remove insurance, just as you ask.
Problem is this is a new topic on the subject which raises absolutely nothing new, is horribly unresearched and is in the wrong place on the forum. ~ Soar Like a Penguin |
randomname4me
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Posted - 2010.02.11 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: ddr800 Actually no to date I have lost 0 ships to suicide ganks, that's generally the case when you have over 45m sp, This isn't personal unlike some of you homo sapiens want it to be, its based on the game defying logic and reason. hulkageddon was laughable the day you want to lose 5 battleships to take out my hulk go for it, till then stick to newbs bottom feeders.
Regardless of your losses why should someones method of game play be removed from the game? Just because you don't like it? Is it because its ridiculous when compared to real life? Do i need to tell you how dumb that is or have you figured that out? If it is because you see it as game play with no risk? In that case I ask, Have you ever ratted sec status back from -5 or below? I'd say its a good penalty for a game play tactic that can be so easily countered by intelligent potential gank victims.
Originally by: CCP Navigator Thread has degenerated into nothing but spam.
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Xtover
Suicide Kings
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Posted - 2010.02.11 01:11:00 -
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Edited by: Xtover on 11/02/2010 01:11:47
Originally by: randomname4me
Originally by: ddr800 Actually no to date I have lost 0 ships to suicide ganks, that's generally the case when you have over 45m sp, This isn't personal unlike some of you homo sapiens want it to be, its based on the game defying logic and reason. hulkageddon was laughable the day you want to lose 5 battleships to take out my hulk go for it, till then stick to newbs bottom feeders.
Regardless of your losses why should someones method of game play be removed from the game? Just because you don't like it? Is it because its ridiculous when compared to real life? Do i need to tell you how dumb that is or have you figured that out? If it is because you see it as game play with no risk? In that case I ask, Have you ever ratted sec status back from -5 or below? I'd say its a good penalty for a game play tactic that can be so easily countered by intelligent potential gank victims.
Depends, throwaway alts are still used (even though it's an exploit)
these two are throwaway alts, and the loss should be petitioned and the main char likely banned (they posted the KM in the description.... stupid idea if you're exploiting):
Name: Mohamad Jigad Security: -1.5 Corp: University of Caille Alliance: NONE Faction: NONE Ship: Catalyst Weapon: Catalyst Damage Done: 255
Name: Muhamad greee Security: -0.9 Corp: University of Caille Alliance: NONE Faction: NONE Ship: Catalyst Weapon: Catalyst Damage Done: 136
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Catherine Frasier
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Posted - 2010.02.11 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: randomname4me Regardless of your losses why should someones method of game play be removed from the game? Just because you don't like it?
No, actually, that's not it at all. First, this is not a request to "remove" suicide ganking from the game. Secondly it's not because "we don't like it". The request is to modify the financial mechanics of insurance and suicide to make it more balanced and less open to abuse.
Originally by: randomname4me Is it because its ridiculous when compared to real life?
That's nearly a part of it. In addition to being an unbalanced game mechanism it also makes no sense within the structure and story of the game. It's ridiculous not compared to "real life" but because it violates internal consistency, "game life".
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Ticarus Hellbrandt
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Posted - 2010.02.11 01:50:00 -
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insurance from suicide actualy keeps the trit price up.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.02.11 01:56:00 -
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This is the first thread I've ever seen on this subject matter. Why hasn't anyone ever mentioned this before???
Originally by: a51 duke1406 The girls just dont understand that sunday is pvp night, not cuddle on the couch watching tv night.
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Usagi Tsukino
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.02.11 02:21:00 -
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Edited by: Usagi Tsukino on 11/02/2010 02:26:39
Originally by: Le Skunk Que someone saying "In real life the police like, totaly dont let you get insurance payments like, if you were to ram raid a shop or something"
SKUNK
That actually seems like something that would be between you and your insurance company. Personally, I pay the extra $10 a month for the Grand Theft Auto: Vice City coverage, so I'm covered.
Originally by: ddr800 You should ram the bank with your car in attempt to steal from it and then claim the insurance after your arrested...
If I get blown up by a US Navy Missle Cruiser I don't spawn in the hospital of my choice either. What's your point?
Originally by: ddr800 Actually no to date I have lost 0 ships to suicide ganks, that's generally the case when you have over 45m sp, This isn't personal unlike some of you homo sapiens want it to be, its based on the game defying logic and reason. hulkageddon was laughable the day you want to lose 5 battleships to take out my hulk go for it, till then stick to newbs bottom feeders.
Post with your main, see how long it takes for that to change. ---
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XXSketchxx
Gallente Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2010.02.11 02:27:00 -
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well now that you made this thread they definitely should do it _____________________________________________
-Sketch, Certified Pharmacist
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M0rkar
Amarr Universal Mayhem
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Posted - 2010.02.11 02:33:00 -
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i agree with the op
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Catherine Frasier
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Posted - 2010.02.11 02:53:00 -
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Originally by: Usagi Tsukino If I get blown up by a US Navy Missle Cruiser I don't spawn in the hospital of my choice either. What's your point?
The point is that pod pilots are an extrapolation of regular human beings with advanced technology. There is no technology or development in the game environment to justify the ridiculous insurance system in place. In fact I can't even imagine anything that would logically justify or explain it within the context of the game.
Originally by: Usagi Tsukino Post with your main, see how long it takes for that to change.
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion
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Posted - 2010.02.11 03:04:00 -
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The logs show nothing.
Working as intended.
HTFU
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Taedrin
Gallente The Green Cross DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.02.11 03:15:00 -
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Originally by: Usagi Tsukino
If I get blown up by a US Navy Missle Cruiser I don't spawn in the hospital of my choice either. What's your point?
Wait... you mean people don't normally do this?
Crap. I have a lot of explaining to do. ----------
Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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politikiL
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Posted - 2010.02.11 03:49:00 -
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Quit paying your subscription, that's the only way to make them possibly change this. Whining on the forums won't do anything. Also, should you decide to quit playing in this vain attempt, can I have your stuff? |
Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.02.11 03:57:00 -
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Originally by: ddr800 This gives suicide Gankers the ability to lose a few ships and still come out head while only killing one.
That was kind of the point, otherwise you wouldn't really have much suicide-ganking going on at all, and EVE would be far more boring.
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Tulisin Dragonflame
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Posted - 2010.02.11 04:26:00 -
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Edited by: Tulisin Dragonflame on 11/02/2010 04:27:55
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: ddr800 This gives suicide Gankers the ability to lose a few ships and still come out head while only killing one.
That was kind of the point, otherwise you wouldn't really have much suicide-ganking going on at all, and EVE would be far more boring.
The problem isn't the concept as much as it is the current costs that make it so easily viable. I can accept that officer modules can never ever safely leave a station because someone might commit 500 million ISK worth of suicide in an attempt to grab some 1 billion ISK modules, but when you can lower that cost to nearly nothing you no longer need something expensive flying around to be worth ganking, just something in general.
It also breaks immersion, and while RP happy goodtimes shouldn't be a primary goal of game developers, things that break the facade so blatantly should indeed be looked at. This goes even further for suicide alts that are simply meant to be recycled after doing the deed, but alts have always been one of the spots where EVE's real-world allegory is rough on the edges.
Edit: Also, suicide ganking has no impact on EVE's boredom-factor for me. I'd probably have more fun if it was removed, but I can recognize that it is a playstyle some enjoy. All it means to me is that high-value modules are for selling and never using.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.02.11 04:35:00 -
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Originally by: Tulisin Dragonflame The problem isn't the concept as much as it is the current costs that make it so easily viable.
The problem is too many miners sell their junk way too cheap, which leads to incredibly cheap ships, which leads to the current situation where at least occasionally it's actually profitable to buy and self-destruct battleships. Mass suicide-ganking of miners can make mineral prices go up, which makes suicide-ganking less attractive. And so, the negative feedback cycle of life is complete
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.02.11 05:42:00 -
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how does killing a pod make them come ahead?
implants aren't lootable
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Catherine Frasier
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Posted - 2010.02.11 12:01:00 -
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Edited by: Catherine Frasier on 11/02/2010 12:02:47
Originally by: politikiL Quit paying your subscription, that's the only way to make them possibly change this. Whining on the forums won't do anything.
Apparently the CSM (who voted to look into this matter) disagrees with you. Apparently CCP also disagree with you as the mechanics of suicide ganking and Concord response have been changed more than once, trying to find balance. I don't see anything to indicate the current system has suddenly become inviolable, in fact there's every indication that yet another tweak is coming.
Edit: Link
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