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![Halete Halete](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1204245927/portrait?size=64)
Halete
Echoes of Korgoth Initiative
204
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Posted - 2012.07.04 05:54:00 -
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Doing it wrong.
He had charges left in his cargo, you're not supposed to shoot at an ancil fit if the DPS would overwhelm the rate the boosters can cycle. Dirty heretical mud-child, reporting in. // Throwing one's hands up in the air and crying 'cal-matar nonsense!' seems to be the new dismissive these days when someone is being neither relevant or dignified. |
![Axium Cog Axium Cog](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1846919480/portrait?size=64)
Axium Cog
Grand Solar Trinity Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
20
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Posted - 2012.07.04 07:23:00 -
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i havnt flown them so im rather intrigued to hear how they ACTUALLY work. I was under the impression that the cap booster supplemented the cap requirement of the module, i.e. the larger charge would let you use it practically for free, but you dont get many cycles before reload, while the smaller means you have to have some cap stability in order to get the benefit, but you can run it for longer.
either way, i killed a guy with one the other day, and it was quite an interesting fight. even if its not perfect just yet i do like the changeup from the buffer/alpha paradigm(or meta as my friend likes to call it), makes those active tank SP useful again, or at least tries to.
i for one am looking forward to see where this new line of modules goes from here |
![Kilabi Kilabi](https://images.evetech.net/characters/943519734/portrait?size=64)
Kilabi
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.07.04 07:46:00 -
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Shade Millith wrote:
You wouldn't have had any more luck if the Maelstrom was normally shield boosting.
The fits have -
Far less EHP - Subject to alpha even worse than normal SBing fits No Capbooster - Suject to neuting Require150+ more CPU (ASB's require 200 CPU each). - Fits are VERY tight, and require fitting mods, removing damage
Its not "far less" ehp, its just "less" (-invul). But stop saying bullshit, if you are not ten or with dedicated fits, or something like that, you wont alpha them. And im speaking about small gang/solo metagame.
As it tanks without cap, if you wanna KILL them, neuting is not the question. And finally, compromises to do with fittings are not so hard.
Stop EFT warrioring and go on field with this *****.
ASB Mael/Rokh, are far better about tank than normal active shield tanks (T2 ones), and can tank even longer. |
![Bouh Revetoile Bouh Revetoile](https://images.evetech.net/characters/755604880/portrait?size=64)
Bouh Revetoile
The Rough Riders Ares Protectiva
32
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Posted - 2012.07.04 17:40:00 -
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Kilabi wrote: ASB Mael/Rokh, are far better about tank than normal active shield tanks (T2 ones), and can tank even longer.
Yes, standard active tank is too weak and in dire need of a buff to be on par. |
![Copine Callmeknau Copine Callmeknau](https://images.evetech.net/characters/672157052/portrait?size=64)
Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
251
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Posted - 2012.07.04 18:03:00 -
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Kilabi wrote:Shade Millith wrote:
You wouldn't have had any more luck if the Maelstrom was normally shield boosting.
The fits have -
Far less EHP - Subject to alpha even worse than normal SBing fits No Capbooster - Suject to neuting Require150+ more CPU (ASB's require 200 CPU each). - Fits are VERY tight, and require fitting mods, removing damage
Its not "far less" ehp, its just "less" (-invul). But stop saying bullshit, if you are not ten or with dedicated fits, or something like that, you wont alpha them. And im speaking about small gang/solo metagame. As it tanks without cap, if you wanna KILL them, neuting is not the question. And finally, compromises to do with fittings are not so hard. Stop EFT warrioring and go on field with this *****. ASB Mael/Rokh, are far better about tank than normal active shield tanks (T2 ones), and can tank even longer. Maybe YOU should stop EFT warrioring or lay off the crack pipes, cause it's clearly affecting your brain function. Since when you need 10 ships to break through 50k EHP? If you just want to oneshot these off the field you can do it with 4-5 tornado's.
If you want to kill it with a two man gang you do it with one heavy dps ship and one alpha ship. Hit it with the alpha when it's shields crash down to like 10%, you'll plow through all the armour and some of the struct in one volley. That's on a goddamn battleship. Any smaller T1 ship with ASB is trivial to kill with tornado
It's called tactics, maybe you should try them instead of crying like a ***** to CCP cause you can't solo maelstroms any more.
But hey don't listen to me, it's not like I've lost half a dozen ASB fit ships already or anything Fracking idiot There should be a rather awesome pic here |
![Simi Kusoni Simi Kusoni](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91190298/portrait?size=64)
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub Like I Give A F--K
1420
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Posted - 2012.07.04 18:59:00 -
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Halete wrote:Doing it wrong. He had charges left in his cargo, you're not supposed to shoot at an ancil fit if the DPS would overwhelm the rate the boosters can cycle. I must admit, I do fit a hakim's gyro on my reaper.
Shhh, its a top sekrit fit.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
![Generals4 Generals4](https://images.evetech.net/characters/254041729/portrait?size=64)
Generals4
964
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Posted - 2012.07.04 19:32:00 -
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Rhatar Khurin wrote:It's rather fun flying a merlin with 3 of the beasts attached to it..
Please tell me how many competent pilots you can pop with such a stupid fit. -Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |
![Kilabi Kilabi](https://images.evetech.net/characters/943519734/portrait?size=64)
Kilabi
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.07.04 20:46:00 -
[68] - Quote
Copine Callmeknau wrote:Kilabi wrote:Shade Millith wrote:
You wouldn't have had any more luck if the Maelstrom was normally shield boosting.
The fits have -
Far less EHP - Subject to alpha even worse than normal SBing fits No Capbooster - Suject to neuting Require150+ more CPU (ASB's require 200 CPU each). - Fits are VERY tight, and require fitting mods, removing damage
Its not "far less" ehp, its just "less" (-invul). But stop saying bullshit, if you are not ten or with dedicated fits, or something like that, you wont alpha them. And im speaking about small gang/solo metagame. As it tanks without cap, if you wanna KILL them, neuting is not the question. And finally, compromises to do with fittings are not so hard. Stop EFT warrioring and go on field with this *****. ASB Mael/Rokh, are far better about tank than normal active shield tanks (T2 ones), and can tank even longer. Maybe YOU should stop EFT warrioring or lay off the crack pipes, cause it's clearly affecting your brain function. Since when you need 10 ships to break through 50k EHP? If you just want to oneshot these off the field you can do it with 4-5 tornado's. If you want to kill it with a two man gang you do it with one heavy dps ship and one alpha ship. Hit it with the alpha when it's shields crash down to like 10%, you'll plow through all the armour and some of the struct in one volley. That's on a goddamn battleship. Any smaller T1 ship with ASB is trivial to kill with tornado It's called tactics, maybe you should try them instead of crying like a ***** to CCP cause you can't solo maelstroms any more. But hey don't listen to me, it's not like I've lost half a dozen ASB fit ships already or anything Fracking idiot Stop being stupid and read what i write Quote: if you are not ten OR with dedicated fits .
Go alpha an ASB cyclone or a drake with your nado and let me laugh ya "fracking idiot".
I forgot that everyone keep an alpha alt just in case of fighting this new fits when solo making. And your solution is awesome "Well, if you want to kill them, bring one more".
Oh, btw i forgot to say it, but now you can tank sentries in AS thanks to this new modules, but i guess you will find it normal too.
AND FOR GOD SAKE IT IS NOT ABOUT ME, IT IS ABOUT NOT RUINING THE METAGAME! |
![Lin-Young Borovskova Lin-Young Borovskova](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90850267/portrait?size=64)
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
418
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Posted - 2012.07.04 20:50:00 -
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Halete wrote:Doing it wrong. He had charges left in his cargo, you're not supposed to shoot at an ancil fit if the DPS would overwhelm the rate the boosters can cycle.
Welp, looks more like a guys shooting his alt ship or some afk one and claim "godness e-peen", even a blind guy can see this km is a fluke. brb |
![Copine Callmeknau Copine Callmeknau](https://images.evetech.net/characters/672157052/portrait?size=64)
Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
252
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Posted - 2012.07.04 20:56:00 -
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Kilabi wrote:Copine Callmeknau wrote:Kilabi wrote:Shade Millith wrote:
You wouldn't have had any more luck if the Maelstrom was normally shield boosting.
The fits have -
Far less EHP - Subject to alpha even worse than normal SBing fits No Capbooster - Suject to neuting Require150+ more CPU (ASB's require 200 CPU each). - Fits are VERY tight, and require fitting mods, removing damage
Its not "far less" ehp, its just "less" (-invul). But stop saying bullshit, if you are not ten or with dedicated fits, or something like that, you wont alpha them. And im speaking about small gang/solo metagame. As it tanks without cap, if you wanna KILL them, neuting is not the question. And finally, compromises to do with fittings are not so hard. Stop EFT warrioring and go on field with this *****. ASB Mael/Rokh, are far better about tank than normal active shield tanks (T2 ones), and can tank even longer. Maybe YOU should stop EFT warrioring or lay off the crack pipes, cause it's clearly affecting your brain function. Since when you need 10 ships to break through 50k EHP? If you just want to oneshot these off the field you can do it with 4-5 tornado's. If you want to kill it with a two man gang you do it with one heavy dps ship and one alpha ship. Hit it with the alpha when it's shields crash down to like 10%, you'll plow through all the armour and some of the struct in one volley. That's on a goddamn battleship. Any smaller T1 ship with ASB is trivial to kill with tornado It's called tactics, maybe you should try them instead of crying like a ***** to CCP cause you can't solo maelstroms any more. But hey don't listen to me, it's not like I've lost half a dozen ASB fit ships already or anything Fracking idiot Stop being stupid and read what i write Quote: if you are not ten OR with dedicated fits . Go alpha an ASB cyclone or a drake with your nado and let me laugh ya "fracking idiot". I forgot that everyone keep an alpha alt just in case of fighting this new fits when solo making. And your solution is awesome "Well, if you want to kill them, bring one more". Oh, btw i forgot to say it, but now you can tank sentries in AS thanks to this new modules, but i guess you will find it normal too. AND FOR GOD SAKE IT IS NOT ABOUT ME, IT IS ABOUT NOT RUINING THE METAGAME! Fine whatever just remove all tanking from the game so I can solo everything in a noobship because I'm too lazy to think of a new strategy There should be a rather awesome pic here |
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![Kilabi Kilabi](https://images.evetech.net/characters/943519734/portrait?size=64)
Kilabi
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.07.04 21:04:00 -
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In pure 1v1, there is NO STRATEGY, if well played, it just wins against most of other active tanks. |
![Internet Lawyer Steve Internet Lawyer Steve](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91968217/portrait?size=64)
Internet Lawyer Steve
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
41
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Posted - 2012.07.04 21:08:00 -
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When something new comes out why do some people scream "NERT IT, ITS OP" instead of trying to find a game mechanic that will beat it.
I must be on the wrong forum, this isnt eve, this is WOW in space.
Internet Lawyer Steve and Associates,
Bringing Justice to New Eden, One post at a time... |
![Kilabi Kilabi](https://images.evetech.net/characters/943519734/portrait?size=64)
Kilabi
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.07.04 21:11:00 -
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Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:When something new comes out why do some people scream "NERT IT, ITS OP" instead of trying to find a game mechanic that will beat it.
I must be on the wrong forum, this isnt eve, this is WOW in space.
It seems that you didnt try to find a strategy to counter it, because in 1v1, it seems that there is not.
If i created this topic, is because i tried to "find a game mechanic to beat it".
NB : I dont consider "bringing more people" as a game mechanic.
If you didnt thought about the problem dont post, thank you. |
![Internet Lawyer Steve Internet Lawyer Steve](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91968217/portrait?size=64)
Internet Lawyer Steve
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
41
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Posted - 2012.07.04 21:14:00 -
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Kilabi wrote:Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:When something new comes out why do some people scream "NERT IT, ITS OP" instead of trying to find a game mechanic that will beat it.
I must be on the wrong forum, this isnt eve, this is WOW in space.
It seems that you didnt try to find a strategy to counter it, because in 1v1, it seems that there is not. If i created this topic, is because i tried to "find a game mechanic to beat it". NB : I dont consider "bringing more people" as a game mechanic. If you didnt thought about the problem dont post, thank you.
I am confused in your response to my post. Could you please re-write that in English then translate it into English.
Tia. Internet Lawyer Steve and Associates,
Bringing Justice to New Eden, One post at a time... |
![Kilabi Kilabi](https://images.evetech.net/characters/943519734/portrait?size=64)
Kilabi
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.07.04 21:16:00 -
[75] - Quote
Sorry, english is not my native language, please make an effort too, what i wrote seems to be understandable even if its bad english. |
![Klown Walk Klown Walk](https://images.evetech.net/characters/281740904/portrait?size=64)
Klown Walk
Fat People Lag IRL
97
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Posted - 2012.07.04 21:18:00 -
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Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:When something new comes out why do some people scream "NERT IT, ITS OP" instead of trying to find a game mechanic that will beat it.
I must be on the wrong forum, this isnt eve, this is WOW in space.
He posts like a WoW player so he probably is one. pvp is not about 1v1, never will be. |
![Kilabi Kilabi](https://images.evetech.net/characters/943519734/portrait?size=64)
Kilabi
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.07.04 21:22:00 -
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Klown Walk wrote:Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:When something new comes out why do some people scream "NERT IT, ITS OP" instead of trying to find a game mechanic that will beat it.
I must be on the wrong forum, this isnt eve, this is WOW in space.
He posts like a WoW player so he probably is one. pvp is not about 1v1, never will be. Really? If you like to gank people (who doesnt?) and dont have the balls to make some solo sometimes thats your problem. But some people like it, thank's to respect them.
And im not a Wow player, at all.
Hope someone will find drugs against stupidity, it seems to be contagious. |
![Internet Lawyer Steve Internet Lawyer Steve](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91968217/portrait?size=64)
Internet Lawyer Steve
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
41
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Posted - 2012.07.04 21:24:00 -
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My first post in this thread was directed at the OP.
Internet Lawyer Steve and Associates,
Bringing Justice to New Eden, One post at a time... |
![Lin-Young Borovskova Lin-Young Borovskova](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90850267/portrait?size=64)
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
418
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Posted - 2012.07.04 21:29:00 -
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Kilabi wrote:Klown Walk wrote:Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:When something new comes out why do some people scream "NERT IT, ITS OP" instead of trying to find a game mechanic that will beat it.
I must be on the wrong forum, this isnt eve, this is WOW in space.
He posts like a WoW player so he probably is one. pvp is not about 1v1, never will be. Really? If you like to gank people (who doesnt?) and dont have the balls to make some solo sometimes thats your problem. But some people like it, thank's to respect them. And im not a Wow player, at all. Hope someone will find drugs against stupidity, it seems to be contagious.
If you are looking for internet e-honourable fights and bushido/whatever aikido warrior honour code of war, then you play the wrong game. Choose your fights and when you loose, suck it up man up, try to understand what you did or didn't who lead to your defeat. This is a PVP space ship game promoting group actions and large fleet fights, like it or not, it's the way it is. Deal with it.
brb |
![Kilabi Kilabi](https://images.evetech.net/characters/943519734/portrait?size=64)
Kilabi
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.07.04 21:29:00 -
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Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:My first post in this thread was directed at the OP.
So what made you change your mind? |
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![Kilabi Kilabi](https://images.evetech.net/characters/943519734/portrait?size=64)
Kilabi
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.07.04 21:30:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Kilabi wrote:Klown Walk wrote:Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:When something new comes out why do some people scream "NERT IT, ITS OP" instead of trying to find a game mechanic that will beat it.
I must be on the wrong forum, this isnt eve, this is WOW in space.
He posts like a WoW player so he probably is one. pvp is not about 1v1, never will be. Really? If you like to gank people (who doesnt?) and dont have the balls to make some solo sometimes thats your problem. But some people like it, thank's to respect them. And im not a Wow player, at all. Hope someone will find drugs against stupidity, it seems to be contagious. If you are looking for internet e-honourable fights and bushido/whatever aikido warrior honour code of war, then you play the wrong game. Choose your fights and when you loose, suck it up man up, try to understand what you did or didn't who lead to your defeat. This is a PVP space ship game promoting group actions and large fleet fights, like it or not, it's the way it is. Deal with it. Thats what i already do, but ty...
That till doesnt explain why a new module should make older ones useless. |
![Copine Callmeknau Copine Callmeknau](https://images.evetech.net/characters/672157052/portrait?size=64)
Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
252
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Posted - 2012.07.04 21:44:00 -
[82] - Quote
Kilabi wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Kilabi wrote:Klown Walk wrote:Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:When something new comes out why do some people scream "NERT IT, ITS OP" instead of trying to find a game mechanic that will beat it.
I must be on the wrong forum, this isnt eve, this is WOW in space.
He posts like a WoW player so he probably is one. pvp is not about 1v1, never will be. Really? If you like to gank people (who doesnt?) and dont have the balls to make some solo sometimes thats your problem. But some people like it, thank's to respect them. And im not a Wow player, at all. Hope someone will find drugs against stupidity, it seems to be contagious. If you are looking for internet e-honourable fights and bushido/whatever aikido warrior honour code of war, then you play the wrong game. Choose your fights and when you loose, suck it up man up, try to understand what you did or didn't who lead to your defeat. This is a PVP space ship game promoting group actions and large fleet fights, like it or not, it's the way it is. Deal with it. Thats what i already do, but ty... That till doesnt explain why a new module should make older ones useless. They aren't useless Any cap-stable active tank of sufficient strength will beat an ASB fit in a 1v1,
Not that 1v1's happen evar
Maybe if you think having more people isn't a 'valid game mechanic' you should be playing a SINGLEPLAYER sci-fi game? Maybe one not marketed on the basis of epic fleet battles with hundreds of ships? There should be a rather awesome pic here |
![Kilabi Kilabi](https://images.evetech.net/characters/943519734/portrait?size=64)
Kilabi
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.07.04 22:06:00 -
[83] - Quote
I dont know what to do about you, really. I could prove you that any ASB fit would beat any regular T2 active shield tank on sisi if you want. Even if as you said may be this fight wont happend.
May be it could proove you that ASB is far better than regular shield tanks... |
![Simi Kusoni Simi Kusoni](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91190298/portrait?size=64)
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub Like I Give A F--K
1420
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Posted - 2012.07.04 23:04:00 -
[84] - Quote
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Halete wrote:Doing it wrong. He had charges left in his cargo, you're not supposed to shoot at an ancil fit if the DPS would overwhelm the rate the boosters can cycle. Welp, looks more like a guys shooting his alt ship or some afk one and claim "godness e-peen", even a blind guy can see this km is a fluke. Of course its a fluke, guy didn't even shoot back. I would say he was afk but he started moving at one point, so I really have no idea what he was doing ![Big smile](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile-big.png)
I was just posting it to troll OP, and because its vaguely amusing ![P](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_p.png)
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
![Copine Callmeknau Copine Callmeknau](https://images.evetech.net/characters/672157052/portrait?size=64)
Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
254
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Posted - 2012.07.05 08:27:00 -
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Kilabi wrote:I dont know what to do about you, really. I could prove you that any ASB fit would beat any regular T2 active shield tank on sisi if you want. Even if as you said may be this fight wont happend.
May be it could proove you that ASB is far better than regular shield tanks... Feel free to mail me in game and we'll set it up. There should be a rather awesome pic here |
![Alexis Du'Volle Alexis Du'Volle](https://images.evetech.net/characters/2002653993/portrait?size=64)
Alexis Du'Volle
Anshar Incorporated
0
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Posted - 2012.07.05 09:07:00 -
[86] - Quote
Anyone else think OP lost his shinies to an ASB Cyclone? |
![Nikolai-Dante Nikolai-Dante](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91002639/portrait?size=64)
Nikolai-Dante
University of Caille Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.07.05 09:11:00 -
[87] - Quote
To the op Stop crying.......if you cant beat them , join them !...........or uninstall. |
![Bouh Revetoile Bouh Revetoile](https://images.evetech.net/characters/755604880/portrait?size=64)
Bouh Revetoile
The Rough Riders Ares Protectiva
33
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Posted - 2012.07.05 10:06:00 -
[88] - Quote
Yeah, an active tank is now better than a buffer tank for solo. Crazy thing ! But that's what it should have always been in fact... So yes, standard active tank should be buffed to be on par with ASB. Capacitor active tank should be the counter to ASB. Capacitor active tank are not effective enough right now because you need all your slot to achieve the effectiveness of the ASB. |
![Lin-Young Borovskova Lin-Young Borovskova](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90850267/portrait?size=64)
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
428
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Posted - 2012.07.05 10:19:00 -
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Bouh Revetoile wrote:Yeah, an active tank is now better than a buffer tank for solo. Crazy thing ! But that's what it should have always been in fact... So yes, standard active tank should be buffed to be on par with ASB. Capacitor active tank should be the counter to ASB. Capacitor active tank are not effective enough right now because you need all your slot to achieve the effectiveness of the ASB.
Please no, stop talking about active tanking and capacitor because I get little bit upset about my active armor reps ![Lol](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_lol.png)
brb |
![Arnst Atram Arnst Atram](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90860816/portrait?size=64)
Arnst Atram
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.07.05 12:01:00 -
[90] - Quote
The only one even worth using the the XL, the rest are tremendously bad unless you have 5 or more Mids, and if you have that many mids your ship is big enough to fit an XL anyway (Or you're flying a Caracal for some reason). As far as I'm concerned it's nice to have more options than "Armour brick tank" and "Kitey nano shield crap". Huzzah for diversity. |
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