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highonpop
Void.Tech
Fatal Ascension
120
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Posted - 2012.06.28 14:37:00 -
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Dust is supposed to be 100% free right? And not be able to purchase anything that would give you a 'tangible' edge over someone else. ie pay-to-win.
The mercenary pack gives you +50% exp and special weapons... and you have to pay for it. For the record, I am probably going to get it. But it just seems like pretty bad PR already and the game isnt even out yet...
Is this just for the BETA? Or it is intended to kick in when the game comes out? I guess that would be the deciding factor if this is breaking the "NO pay-to-win" promise.
Read First Dev Post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88362&find=unread
My post was probably full of typos. I don;t care... |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
581
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Posted - 2012.06.28 14:51:00 -
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Will that extra SP help shoot someone in the head...maybe, will it help command a squad of players and outflank an enemy at an objective and take it which actually wins a match... not likely.
With payed for things be tradable on the player marketplace and be bought for isk... mmm. |
Danfen Fenix
125
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Posted - 2012.06.28 15:24:00 -
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Not to mention the booster only lasts 30 days
& not to mention weapon stats arn't shown there. How do you know if they're any stronger or weaker? 
Either way, if I buy it I'm not planning on using the booster. Instead, I think it'll be better to wait until I can sell it off to some other sap who can't earn their SP the usual way, and make me richer  |
Gillia Winddancer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2012.06.28 16:42:00 -
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highonpop wrote:Dust is supposed to be 100% free right? And not be able to purchase anything that would give you a 'tangible' edge over someone else. ie pay-to-win.
The mercenary pack gives you +50% exp and special weapons... and you have to pay for it. For the record, I am probably going to get it. But it just seems like pretty bad PR already and the game isnt even out yet...
Is this just for the BETA? Or it is intended to kick in when the game comes out? I guess that would be the deciding factor if this is breaking the "NO pay-to-win" promise.
Breaking promises? It's been known since day 1 that the micro-transactions will contain stuff like this. |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger
Ev0ke
272
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Posted - 2012.06.28 17:00:00 -
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autoaim for aurum would be pay to win
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
475
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Posted - 2012.06.28 17:44:00 -
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You don't need the skill booster to be competitive. You could just play more than the other guy, and do as well.
FuzzWork Enterprises
http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/
Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
181
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Posted - 2012.06.28 17:57:00 -
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highonpop wrote:Dust is supposed to be 100% free right? And not be able to purchase anything that would give you a 'tangible' edge over someone else. ie pay-to-win.
The mercenary pack gives you +50% exp and special weapons... and you have to pay for it. For the record, I am probably going to get it. But it just seems like pretty bad PR already and the game isnt even out yet...
Is this just for the BETA? Or it is intended to kick in when the game comes out? I guess that would be the deciding factor if this is breaking the "NO pay-to-win" promise.
'Special' weapons doesn't mean better, it means slightly different.
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. |
Threshner
Fleetworks
Soldiers Of New Eve
0
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Posted - 2012.06.29 01:51:00 -
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I can't say much but all i can say is please wait and when the beta goes open make sure you do your research about how the system works. There are things i can't talk about that would really help in this topic but that will have to wait til open beta. Just take my advice and wait they did a decent job with the system as i can tell now.
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Whar Target
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.06.29 02:44:00 -
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Let me tell you what it is..
The guy with the 40+ hour/week job, family, house...spends a little bit of money to get 50% more SP.
The kid who lives with his parents plays for free all day and night. He still gets far more SP in a day than family guy, but spends all of his time on the game.
The AUR stuff is not really a big deal, its just another time advantage.
Edit: and let's not forget the programmers get to feed their kids and the all day basement dwelling duster gets new content once in a while. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
393
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Posted - 2012.06.29 03:01:00 -
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And did you know that in EVE you can buy a Plex and use it to buy some learning implants, which speeds up your training time.
Therefor EVE is play to win.
OMG THIS SECRET MUST BE MADE KNOWN ALL OVER THE INTERNETS!!!!
I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Gevlin
Universal Might
DSM FOUNDATION
166
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Posted - 2012.06.29 03:02:00 -
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special weapons etc are side grades.
The Goons are Coming, The Goons are Coming
Jita the April 28, Hulk a geddon April 29 for a month.
The Best Tears are the Geifer's Tears.
just hope the new crime watch system is in place by then.... oh the chaos will rain!!! |
Lilliana Stelles
Mindstar Technology
Executive Outcomes
70
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Posted - 2012.06.29 07:26:00 -
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For all we know those "special weapons" could be purely cosmetic.
Also, perhaps they could be sold on the marketplace like PLEX/NEX item? I see nothing about them being account bound. |
Jett0
Surface Warfare
The 99 Percent
148
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Posted - 2012.06.29 11:56:00 -
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Seems a bit of a grey area...
Honestly, I don't like it. The kid spending many hours playing is probably going to be the same one buying XP upgrades, as he's more invested in the game. And if the skills work like EVE's, more XP means higher skills means better modules.
On the other hand, this might just be CCP's "gift" to the beta testers for all we know.
Occasionally plays sober |
Lord Okinaba
25
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Posted - 2012.06.29 15:09:00 -
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A lot of in denial people around these parts... |
Kail Toronus
Appetite 4 Destruction
1
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Posted - 2012.06.29 15:26:00 -
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Unless characters in beta aren't being wiped, why would you pay for anything during a beta phase? If you've got that much money to flush down the toilet, send it my way.
Not that I have any clue on if beta characters are being kept or not, but most betas do a complete wipe before launch. So spend that money all you want, you'll get exactly nothing to show for it in the long run; unless beta characters are being kept in which case beta characters will already be WAY ahead of anyone else coming in at or after launch. |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
584
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Posted - 2012.06.29 15:59:00 -
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Kail Toronus wrote:Unless characters in beta aren't being wiped, why would you pay for anything during a beta phase? If you've got that much money to flush down the toilet, send it my way.
Not that I have any clue on if beta characters are being kept or not, but most betas do a complete wipe before launch. So spend that money all you want, you'll get exactly nothing to show for it in the long run; unless beta characters are being kept in which case beta characters will already be WAY ahead of anyone else coming in at or after launch.
1. Anything bought in the PSN store is reinversed after every wipe. Aur and item packs.
2. They plan on keeping names. SP/isk/items are wiped at launch then items from 1. Are reaplied. |
MunnyRabbit
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.06.29 18:18:00 -
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Lord Okinaba wrote:A lot of in denial people around these parts...
A lot of people who are not in the beta and have no clue what is in the works. |
Davek Konner
Cornucopia Ltd.
0
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Posted - 2012.06.29 18:49:00 -
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MunnyRabbit wrote:Lord Okinaba wrote:A lot of in denial people around these parts... A lot of people who are not in the beta and have no clue what is in the works.
QFT  |
highonpop
Void.Tech
Fatal Ascension
122
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Posted - 2012.06.29 20:12:00 -
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Gillia Winddancer wrote:highonpop wrote:Dust is supposed to be 100% free right? And not be able to purchase anything that would give you a 'tangible' edge over someone else. ie pay-to-win.
The mercenary pack gives you +50% exp and special weapons... and you have to pay for it. For the record, I am probably going to get it. But it just seems like pretty bad PR already and the game isnt even out yet...
Is this just for the BETA? Or it is intended to kick in when the game comes out? I guess that would be the deciding factor if this is breaking the "NO pay-to-win" promise. Breaking promises? It's been known since day 1 that the micro-transactions will contain stuff like this.
It was said day 1 that micro-transactions would be for cosmetic things that did not give you any advantage in the game.
Extra EXP is an advantage, especially when you take into account skilling for vehicles/weapons/etc. If me and you play the same game and get the same #of kills, deaths, captures, etc. I get more EXP than you because I paid for it. So I can upgrade myself faster than you. I have a tactical advantage over you because I paid for it.
This is NOT supposed to be a part of our universe. Eve or Dust.
Read First Dev Post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88362&find=unread
My post was probably full of typos. I don;t care... |
Threshner
Fleetworks
Soldiers Of New Eve
0
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Posted - 2012.06.29 20:42:00 -
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Ima just stop reading the public dust 514 forums until open beta lol or at least until more information is allowed on the whole "pay to win" topic to be public. |
Logan LaMort
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
1267
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Posted - 2012.06.30 12:51:00 -
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Dust 514 is definitely not pay to win, the items in the Merc Pack give a marginal advantage over the free gear you're issued with by default, but a day's worth of gaming will give you enough ISK and SP to invest in much better gear.
Also when the game is released, like NeX stuff, any AUR purchased items can be sold on the marketplace for ISK, you do not have to pay a penny of real money for Dust to stay equally competitive.
AUR items give slight advantages over the same tiered ISK equivalents but they come with major drawbacks, such as hugely increased fitting requirements. E.g You could fit two ISK bought shield extenders on your dropsuit but only one AUR shield extender.
AUR stuff is mainly for the impatient or those that work most of the time. They allow you to get slightly better stuff faster, or skill up a little more than you would... but the difference is really minimal. At the end of the day, Dust is a team game and matches are won by team work and FPS skill, not by the equipment you're using. It's a lot like using Tech 2 or faction ships in EVE, they help but they can still die in a fire against good players.
That's my experience anyway, I haven't checked out the really high end AUR stuff but I'm impressed with how balanced it seems to be right now. Personally I just use militia gear, which is the basic of the basic... I still get plenty of kills with it though. |
Kattrina Incandenza
Incandenza Incorporated
8
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Posted - 2012.07.02 06:03:00 -
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I'm angry! I need to yell at people who have opinions different than mine!
I don't know if there is a way to tell how it is working. I would tend to tell you that if you have access to the beta to look at the statistics of the weapons in question and say "Does this give someone an advantage?" If so, "Is it large or even noticeable, situational, etc?" Now keep in mind that CCP does have to make money off of this game somehow, so really you should complain if it is clearly unfair.
Now, I did think it was a little curious how you can pay your way into a beta for a F2P game. |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
631
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Posted - 2012.07.02 06:26:00 -
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Lord Okinaba wrote:A lot of in denial people around these parts...
those of us in the beta don't seem to be worried.
I have faith CCP will do it right. |
Jack Paladin
Solar Storm
Intrepid Crossing
216
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Posted - 2012.07.02 12:20:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:Lord Okinaba wrote:A lot of in denial people around these parts... those of us in the beta don't seem to be worried. I have faith CCP will do it right.
Agreed to this. |
TEABO BAGGINS
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.07.02 14:49:00 -
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The only ppl worried have probly not played much FPS. Min/maxers maybe take 2 extra shots to kill, and have 2 extra bullets in their clips, or something to that effect. Its like being good enough at EVE to pay with plex- your having someone else pay the bill for you. IF your good enough at FPS the bonuses they buy shouldn't matter to you. If your so worried about it fork over the money yourself... ffs you could afford to buy a PS3.. |
a newbie
tech-legion
AAA Citizens
5
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Posted - 2012.07.02 18:54:00 -
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highonpop wrote:Dust is supposed to be 100% free right? And not be able to purchase anything that would give you a 'tangible' edge over someone else. ie pay-to-win.
The mercenary pack gives you +50% exp and special weapons... and you have to pay for it. For the record, I am probably going to get it. But it just seems like pretty bad PR already and the game isnt even out yet...
Is this just for the BETA? Or it is intended to kick in when the game comes out? I guess that would be the deciding factor if this is breaking the "NO pay-to-win" promise.
I have this beta pack and I can tell you without disclosing any information, the items in game are not better than those you can purchase for isk. They are basically a Meta level item you would find in EVE, just you have the option of buying them with Aurum instead of isk.
Basically, your paying to buy items with low skill requirements. That is all. The Dragonfly suit is a sniper suit, and to be blunt if your are shot with most weapons point blank your dead in a flash. The Submachine gun is a pistol slot weapon you can equip on all classes. This again, is a meta related item, and it has a near equivalent that will require restocking.
So please, stop calling this a Pay 2 Win. Yet again it is someone who has not actually gotten INTO the game stating as much, and people who are IN the game have to state, again, it is NOT P2W.
You do not get HANDED points. You still have to be active and useful to get any use out of your 30-day skill point booster. You do nothing, you get nothing. |
highonpop
Void.Tech
Fatal Ascension
122
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Posted - 2012.07.02 20:01:00 -
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Jack Paladin wrote:Herping yourDerp wrote:Lord Okinaba wrote:A lot of in denial people around these parts... those of us in the beta don't seem to be worried. I have faith CCP will do it right. Agreed to this.
I am in the BETA as well. And I'm pumped for the game.
But its bad PR to say its not pay-2-win and then make it possible to purchase (with IRL $$$) a skill booster. IF the skill point booster was bought with ISK there I would have never even made this thread.
Read First Dev Post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88362&find=unread
My post was probably full of typos. I don;t care... |
highonpop
Void.Tech
Fatal Ascension
122
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Posted - 2012.07.02 20:03:00 -
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a newbie wrote:highonpop wrote:Dust is supposed to be 100% free right? And not be able to purchase anything that would give you a 'tangible' edge over someone else. ie pay-to-win.
The mercenary pack gives you +50% exp and special weapons... and you have to pay for it. For the record, I am probably going to get it. But it just seems like pretty bad PR already and the game isnt even out yet...
Is this just for the BETA? Or it is intended to kick in when the game comes out? I guess that would be the deciding factor if this is breaking the "NO pay-to-win" promise. I have this beta pack and I can tell you without disclosing any information, the items in game are not better than those you can purchase for isk. They are basically a Meta level item you would find in EVE, just you have the option of buying them with Aurum instead of isk. Basically, your paying to buy items with low skill requirements. That is all. The Dragonfly suit is a sniper suit, and to be blunt if your are shot with most weapons point blank your dead in a flash. The Submachine gun is a pistol slot weapon you can equip on all classes. This again, is a meta related item, and it has a near equivalent that will require restocking.
So please, stop calling this a Pay 2 Win. Yet again it is someone who has not actually gotten INTO the game stating as much, and people who are IN the game have to state, again, it is NOT P2W. You do not get HANDED points. You still have to be active and useful to get any use out of your 30-day skill point booster. You do nothing, you get nothing.
Im in the BETA.
If i can pay with my real money to get extra skill points, then I'm paying to get a better character than you. its not that hard of a concept.
If me and you are on the same team. Get the same k/d, capture the same amount of stuff. I GET MORE EXP THAN YOU BECAUSE I BOUGHT IT WITH REAL $$$.
That is a p2w scenario.
Had the skill boost been bought with isk it is not p2w
Read First Dev Post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88362&find=unread
My post was probably full of typos. I don;t care... |
Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
115
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Posted - 2012.07.02 20:22:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:Lord Okinaba wrote:A lot of in denial people around these parts... those of us in the beta don't seem to be worried. I have faith CCP will do it right.
Yep, as someone in the Beta I agree with you completely. So far CCP have stayed true to their word, you can NOT purchase an advantage on the battlefield.
I say it's time to lift the NDA. There are now 1000's in the Beta as opposed to 100's. Let us playing the game come kill all this negativity with facts. |
Mashie Saldana
Veto.
Veto Corp
545
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Posted - 2012.07.02 21:28:00 -
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WTB aimbot for AUR.
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