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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
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Posted - 2012.06.29 00:16:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Would you be so kind as to point out where Jada said you guys have high taxes?
I also appreciate how you grouped many people into one lump sum and assume we all have the same idea even though I have already stated that we should have either stayed at our current position or go straight to socialized healthcare.
Same un-spoken myth, every damned time--doesn't need to be said anymore  Thanks, I'll be sure to keep in mind that you prefer to just put words in mouth as you go along.
We aim to please!
In irae, veritas. |
Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.06.29 00:22:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Thanks, I'll be sure to keep in mind that you prefer to just put words in mouth as you go along.
Free speech is under rated. Ve vill be cutting da vocal cords and installing speaker in your mouth.
Hold still Herr Dietrich this von't hurt a bit. Doctor Alara MengeleStorm vill be done with ya in a moment. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.29 00:39:00 -
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Jada Maroo wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:I like my private awesome health care. My longest wait time to see a specialist is about an hour  I've lived in places with socialized medicine and a trip to the doctor is an all day event. It's good to be in the upper 10% of the population  Agreed! No way am I taking part in any health care exchange. I don't want some plebeian coverage designed for the unwashed masses.
Why do they even need it? Don't they breed fast enough to replenish their numbers anyway? |
Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
231
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Posted - 2012.06.29 00:54:00 -
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Master Gotama wrote:personally as an employed, tax paying citizen, i don't like paying for freeloaders to get their healthcare at my expense.
And I don't like having my tax money spent on prisons, unnecessary military advancement, or business subsidisation
Unfortunately for us both there isn't a 'Where would you like your tax dollars spent?' field at the end of the tax form.
There should be a rather awesome pic here |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2012.06.29 01:00:00 -
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If it helps any, RomneyCare in Massachusetts is working. The people, the employers and the insurances companies seem to like it.
http://www.factcheck.org/2011/03/romneycare-facts-and-falsehoods/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/study-romneycare-is-making-massachusetts-healthier/2011/08/25/gIQA524T7R_blog.html
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2012/01/20/romney-care-massachusetts-healthcare-reform/
Personally, I'm looking forward to Obama publicly congratulating Romney on how well RomneyCare is working for the citizens of Massachusetts.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics
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Posted - 2012.06.29 01:12:00 -
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I'm sure there are a lot of things they do in Massachusetts that the people of Massachusetts like. Those people are welcome to live there. |
Nachteule Kohen
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Posted - 2012.06.29 01:23:00 -
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it seems like the yanks that do not want free health care never got sick or aren't sick. when you get old you'll most likely need it, that's why a lot of americans flee to canada in their older days. (canada isn't the only country with free health care)
americans need to realize the world isn't a shopping mall and you don't need an abundance of wealth in order to buy everything sold... most people are fine with just a desk/computer/kitchen/bathroom and a bed. but americans seem to think life means owning 2 cars, 2 bathrooms, 3 consoles and the list goes on... then when your economy slows down you cry because you can't afford the latest trends.
it's much more relaxed in canada, especially europe, you don't see people going on shopping sprees like its mandatory requirement in order to fit in society...
what about people who are mentally ill, disabled? can't you be nice enough to pay more taxes to help your surroundings so they can have lives as well? just because you haven't been hospitalized yet doesn't mean you're special. an accident can happen randomly and that's when your life will change.
if life revolved around lucky individuals who's lives never has been cursed by health care needs, the population of earth would decrease, since it would all be like africa.
the problem with americans is that they are selfish and "unique". they emphasize on the word "I". "I PAY TAXES" no you *******, we pay taxes. WE. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.29 01:29:00 -
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Nachteule Kohen wrote:it seems like the yanks that do not want free health care never got sick or aren't sick. when you get old you'll most likely need it, that's why a lot of americans flee to canada in their older days. (canada isn't the only country with free health care)
americans need to realize the world isn't a shopping mall and you don't need an abundance of wealth in order to buy everything sold... most people are fine with just a desk/computer/kitchen/bathroom and a bed. but americans seem to think life means owning 2 cars, 2 bathrooms, 3 consoles and the list goes on... then when your economy slows down you cry because you can't afford the latest trends.
it's much more relaxed in canada, especially europe, you don't see people going on shopping sprees like its mandatory requirement in order to fit in society...
what about people who are mentally ill, disabled? can't you be nice enough to pay more taxes to help your surroundings so they can have lives as well? just because you haven't been hospitalized yet doesn't mean you're special. an accident can happen randomly and that's when your life will change.
if life revolved around lucky individuals who's lives never has been cursed by health care needs, the population of earth would decrease, since it would all be like africa.
the problem with americans is that they are selfish and "unique". they emphasize on the word "I". "I PAY TAXES" no you *******, we pay taxes. WE.
I support eugenics |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
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Posted - 2012.06.29 01:39:00 -
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Nachteule Kohen wrote:it seems like the yanks that do not want free health care never got sick or aren't sick. when you get old you'll most likely need it, that's why a lot of americans flee to canada in their older days. (canada isn't the only country with free health care)
americans need to realize the world isn't a shopping mall and you don't need an abundance of wealth in order to buy everything sold... most people are fine with just a desk/computer/kitchen/bathroom and a bed. but americans seem to think life means owning 2 cars, 2 bathrooms, 3 consoles and the list goes on... then when your economy slows down you cry because you can't afford the latest trends.
it's much more relaxed in canada, especially europe, you don't see people going on shopping sprees like its mandatory requirement in order to fit in society...
what about people who are mentally ill, disabled? can't you be nice enough to pay more taxes to help your surroundings so they can have lives as well? just because you haven't been hospitalized yet doesn't mean you're special. an accident can happen randomly and that's when your life will change.
if life revolved around lucky individuals who's lives never has been cursed by health care needs, the population of earth would decrease, since it would all be like africa.
the problem with americans is that they are selfish and "unique". they emphasize on the word "I". "I PAY TAXES" no you *******, we pay taxes. WE.
I also appreciate how you have decided to lump a large sum of people into one group and describe how we all think as one hive mind. |
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
112
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Posted - 2012.06.29 01:53:00 -
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Ok. Let us start something productive here. I bet 10 isk that this law will be repealed. Who wants to take my bet?
Life is short and dinner time is chancy
Eat desert first! |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics
755
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Posted - 2012.06.29 01:56:00 -
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Nachteule Kohen wrote:it seems like the yanks ...
the problem with americans is that they are selfish and "unique". they emphasize on the word "I". "I PAY TAXES" no you *******, we pay taxes. WE.
I always find it funny with foreigners with funny accents think their opinions matter in American domestic politics.  |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
663
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Posted - 2012.06.29 01:58:00 -
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I will never understand the logic behind handing over the health of a nation to a group of people who see you as a way to make a profit. Decent levels of healthcare should be available to everyone.
Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Agaetis Byrjun Endalaust
The Corporation of Noble Sentiments
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Posted - 2012.06.29 02:02:00 -
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funny to see how hard is for many so-much-civilized US fellas to understand they still like to live in a medieval era where if you cant afford buying a castle, an armor, a horse and a sword so you deserve to die. Ah yeah, it's called "capitalism" up there LoL
and of course being (trying to at least) responsable for anyone else is called "socialism"
freaking smartass doods!
open your eyes!! make a trip, visit the world, READ SOMETHING!!! social health care is a reality all over the world since the concept of democracy was born!! And I didn't say "democracies" but "concept of democracy". When democracies were born, the so-called social healthcare was an obvious consequence.
spoken like a true european civilized man, who pay taxes and has free health care! Of course I'm also free to have all the private assistance I can pay for. Unbelievable eh? So many socialists still alive and most of all (mentally) healthy
_________________________ just because you're paranoid it doesn't mean they're not after you |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
1605
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Posted - 2012.06.29 02:02:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:I will never understand the logic behind handing over the health of a nation to a group of people who see you as a way to make a profit. Decent levels of healthcare should be available to everyone.
Everyone who cares enough about their health. I say obese people shouldn't have any healthcare because they're fat |
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
112
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Posted - 2012.06.29 02:06:00 -
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Agaetis Byrjun Endalaust wrote:funny to see how hard is for many so-much-civilized US fellas to understand they still like to live in a medieval era where if you cant afford buying a castle, an armor, a horse and a sword so you deserve to die. Ah yeah, it's called "capitalism" up there LoL
and of course being (trying to at least) responsable for anyone else is called "socialism"
freaking smartass doods!
open your eyes!! make a trip, visit the world, READ SOMETHING!!! social health care is a reality all over the world since the concept of democracy was born!! And I didn't say "democracies" but "concept of democracy". When democracies were born, the so-called social healthcare was an obvious consequence.
spoken like a true european civilized man, who pay taxes and has free health care! Of course I'm also free to have all the private assistance I can pay for. Unbelievable eh? So many socialists still alive and most of all (mentally) healthy
Have you looked at the debt level of PIIGS and Cyprus lately?
Life is short and dinner time is chancy
Eat desert first! |
Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
231
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Posted - 2012.06.29 02:09:00 -
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Jada Maroo wrote:Nachteule Kohen wrote:it seems like the yanks ...
the problem with americans is that they are selfish and "unique". they emphasize on the word "I". "I PAY TAXES" no you *******, we pay taxes. WE. I always find it funny with foreigners with funny accents think their opinions matter in American domestic politics.
That doesn't make them wrong ^^
There should be a rather awesome pic here |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics
755
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Posted - 2012.06.29 02:10:00 -
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Caleidascope wrote:Ok. Let us start something productive here. I bet 10 isk that this law will be repealed. Who wants to take my bet?
I think Republicans can hit 60 Senate seats.
My only worry is that all our hopes are now on the shoulders of the guy who thought up Obamneycare to begin with which is hilariously tragic. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
1606
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Posted - 2012.06.29 02:16:00 -
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Copine Callmeknau wrote:Jada Maroo wrote:Nachteule Kohen wrote:it seems like the yanks ...
the problem with americans is that they are selfish and "unique". they emphasize on the word "I". "I PAY TAXES" no you *******, we pay taxes. WE. I always find it funny with foreigners with funny accents think their opinions matter in American domestic politics. That doesn't make them wrong ^^
I'm pretty sure it does |
Agaetis Byrjun Endalaust
The Corporation of Noble Sentiments
9
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Posted - 2012.06.29 02:19:00 -
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Quote:Have you looked at the debt level of PIIGS and Cyprus lately?
so, when you should be looking at your own ass you look at the other side of the world. That's indeed a good way to let the chinese buy some more of YOUR national debt mawhuwahah
_________________________ just because you're paranoid it doesn't mean they're not after you |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
663
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Posted - 2012.06.29 02:19:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:I will never understand the logic behind handing over the health of a nation to a group of people who see you as a way to make a profit. Decent levels of healthcare should be available to everyone. Everyone who cares enough about their health. I say obese people shouldn't have any healthcare because they're fat
Well, perhaps those who don't have any medical condition that causes them to be fat, maybe. I have to wonder, if the people I see complaining about other people having "free" healthcare weren't able to pay for their own healthcare, if for some reason they found themselves destitute, would they still have the same attitude?
Constitution of The United States of America wrote:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics
755
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Posted - 2012.06.29 02:24:00 -
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Copine Callmeknau wrote:
That doesn't make them wrong ^^
Well, it does actually, since they don't know what they're talking about. If they want to be nanny state socialists and have socialized medicine, fine. That's why I don't live in Europe.
But we're not talking about socialized medicine. Obamacare forces every American to enter a contract with a private health insurer under threat of tax penalty. I will repeat this for the slow. Every American must, by government dictate, give money to private health insurers.
As a libertarian/conservative, the notion that the government could force me into any contract is something I find offensive. In fact, they can't, which is why they can only penalize you if you refuse. But that is still force.
Regardless, I have to wonder why any leftist or Eurosocialist would support Obamacare or even argue against its opponents. I would think socialists would be as disgusted by it as conservatives are.
But, they're not, because Obama supported it. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
1606
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Posted - 2012.06.29 02:28:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Well, perhaps those who don't have any medical condition that causes them to be fat, maybe. I have to wonder, if the people I see complaining about other people having "free" healthcare weren't able to pay for their own healthcare, if for some reason they found themselves destitute, would they still have the same attitude?
Well that problem will solve itself fast |
Agaetis Byrjun Endalaust
The Corporation of Noble Sentiments
9
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Posted - 2012.06.29 02:30:00 -
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Quote:Every American must, by government dictate, give money to private health insurers.
sorry for the slow reasoning, but could it be because hospitals are held by privateers in the US? Who eventually will have (read: must) offer their services "for free" in some situations? Just wondering, but I feel there's some secret mechanics under that terrible injustice you have to face.
_________________________ just because you're paranoid it doesn't mean they're not after you |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
1606
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Posted - 2012.06.29 02:32:00 -
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Damn government also makes me pay for car and motorcycle insurance and says I have to wear a helmet when riding my bike  |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics
756
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Posted - 2012.06.29 02:33:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Constitution of The United States of America wrote:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
That's cute how you can use Wikipedia while trying to debate something you know nothing about. I will teach you.
"With respect to the two words 'general welfare,' I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." --James Madison
But surely, you know more about the intent of the Framers than James Madison. |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
482
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Posted - 2012.06.29 02:33:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:I will never understand the logic behind handing over the health of a nation to a group of people who see you as a way to make a profit. Decent levels of healthcare should be available to everyone. Everyone who cares enough about their health. I say obese people shouldn't have any healthcare because they're fat Well, perhaps those who don't have any medical condition that causes them to be fat, maybe. I have to wonder, if the people I see complaining about other people having "free" healthcare weren't able to pay for their own healthcare, if for some reason they found themselves destitute, would they still have the same attitude? Constitution of The United States of America wrote:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
No I'm pretty sure its the 3 big macs a day and never leaving the sofa that is making them fat. |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics
756
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Posted - 2012.06.29 02:40:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Damn government also makes me pay for car and motorcycle insurance and says I have to wear a helmet when riding my bike
The federal government doesn't! Because it can't. Although it probably can now. At the very least, it could say "you must have car insurance or face a tax penalty" or "you must have a dental plan or pay the IRS." Literally, under today's decision, you could be penalized for not buying HBO if some crazy Congress and President dictated it. |
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
112
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Posted - 2012.06.29 02:42:00 -
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Agaetis Byrjun Endalaust wrote:Quote:Every American must, by government dictate, give money to private health insurers. sorry for the slow reasoning, but could it be because hospitals are held by privateers in the US? Who eventually will have (read: must) offer their services "for free" in some situations? Just wondering, but I feel there's some secret mechanics under that terrible injustice you have to face.
I used to work for a hospital in US. The hospital was organized and registered as a nonprofit organization. Those are not just words, it is legal status. Anyway. It was turning up profit regularly. It was making so much profit, they had to spend it on stuff, like sponsor local baseball stadium. They recently finished building their new hospital complex, several buildings, and are sponsoring a pharmacy school. They just keep making money... even though they are a nonprofit organization.
Here is their not for profit explanation thingy: http://www.parkview.com/About/Pages/NotForProfit.aspx
Life is short and dinner time is chancy
Eat desert first! |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
482
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Posted - 2012.06.29 02:44:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Damn government also makes me pay for car and motorcycle insurance and says I have to wear a helmet when riding my bike
No helmets up here yet! But with the way people drive you may as well put on the neck brace before you leave the house. Oh but its so nice to hear the distant roar of 50 bikes on the freeway again. |
Eddie Monaghan
The Generic Pirate Corporation
Fusion.
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Posted - 2012.06.29 04:27:00 -
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I've a friend that has already seen changes as a result of this. His Doctors Office called him and informed him they will no longer be accepting ANY insurance whatsoever and will only accept cash, check, or credit card as payment. Now that we HAVE to buy/carry insurance, Insurance will skyrocket. This will result in people and employers that would rather pay the fines than pay the 10x cost of Insurance today. This will cause Insurance Companies to go out of business and we'll be forced to rely on Government Health Care, which from my experience with Veterans Affairs I can honestly tell you first hand that it's crap. 6 months to get an appointment. Shove tons of meds at you and never treat the problem. They're rude, snide, condescending, and will flat out tell you that something is your problem, not theirs when you need something.
I once went in for an appointment to address neck and back pain from a serious accident in Iraq (Bradley Fighting Vehicle drivers hatch whapped me on the head, making me an inch shorter than when I got to Iraq in 2004). Before I got a single word out, I was called a druggie and told to get out of his Office. I'd never met this doctor before. I don't like pain killers, so I was there to inquire about massage therapy to help manage pain. By the way, the Government doesn't recognize massage, if they are paying for it, as a legitimate medical need.
Government Health Care is huge rooms with rows and rows of beds and 3 nurses, for you to wait in for medical care.
I'm afraid this is no longer the Country I Pledged my Oath to April 21 1997. We'll see, maybe The People will wake up and protest the things our Government does. One can hope, after all, it's all I have. |
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