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Ivoto
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Posted - 2012.06.28 15:31:00 -
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The Affordable Care Act was upheld today by the U.S Supreme cout 5-4 with Chief Justice Roberts giving the key 5th vote.
Articles:
[url]http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/28/supreme-court-upholds-individual-mandate-obamacare-survives/[/url]
[url]http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/28/12457822-supreme-court-upholds-health-care-law?lite[/url]
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18630837
What a slippery slope this is! |
Master Gotama
Black Sky Hipsters
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Posted - 2012.06.28 15:34:00 -
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nice, now i don't have to pay for those that use our health care system without coverage. |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
479
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Posted - 2012.06.28 15:55:00 -
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I still say this is the wrong way to handle this. I believe it was Switzerland that went down the same path before ending up with the socialized health care and quite frankly you'd think we would learn from their mistakes. The first blatant loophole that I've seen (and correct me if this has changed lately) is that insurance companies can no longer refuse people with obvious issues, BUT, there is no apparent ceiling as to what they can charge. I've already seen a bit of that myself when I received a email from the main office telling me that my coverage was too low and they'll be upping it automatically. I'm sorry what? Should I be expecting that often? Why did you give me the options if you are just going to be changing them anyways?
We should have either left it at private healthcare or gone straight over to socialized health reform (which we will most likely do after several years of being raped). But we didn't, and it just seems to be yet another let down in a series of many in the last decade. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.28 17:15:00 -
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Yeah America! woo!  |
Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.06.28 17:48:00 -
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Democrats want to kill a bunch of people before they are born and take care of the rest who make it.
Republicans want everyone to be born and then have disease make up the difference.
Politics =/
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Viktor Fyretracker
Emminent Terraforming
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Posted - 2012.06.28 17:51:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Democrats want to kill a bunch of people before they are born and take care of the rest who make it.
Republicans want everyone to be born and then have disease make up the difference.
Politics =/
There i$ no politic$ like the Bu$ine$$ of American Politc$.
*Dollar signs used on purpose to show how government really works.  |
Ivoto
Root.
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Posted - 2012.06.28 18:32:00 -
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too lazy to make my links work.
Personally I dont like Barry and Co. mandating that I need health insurance |
Genei
Wolfsbrigade
Lost Obsession
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Posted - 2012.06.28 18:47:00 -
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Confirming that the US is a socialist country and this is just one more sign. A big sign.
Seriously, I just hope that the state move for nullification or the congress starts the repeal process. |
Master Gotama
Black Sky Hipsters
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Posted - 2012.06.28 18:52:00 -
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personally as an employed, tax paying citizen, i don't like paying for freeloaders to get their healthcare at my expense. |
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.28 19:12:00 -
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It is interesting how Supreme Court did it. They said that it is a tax. What is one of the things that Democratic Party known for? It is known for making more taxes. So in 2010 Democrat president and Democrat Congress passed a tax.
Life is short and dinner time is chancy
Eat desert first! |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
479
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Posted - 2012.06.28 19:22:00 -
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Master Gotama wrote:personally as an employed, tax paying citizen, i don't like paying for freeloaders to get their healthcare at my expense.
Boohoo princess. I hate to break it to you but you still are, considering that you seem to think that your tax money is still yours after you hand it over to the government.
I am really going to blow your mind by telling you that you are paying for others healthcare through your insurance as well. What, you thought they just kept your monthly payment set aside for your rainy days? |
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
112
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Posted - 2012.06.28 19:24:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:Master Gotama wrote:personally as an employed, tax paying citizen, i don't like paying for freeloaders to get their healthcare at my expense. Boohoo princess. I hate to break it to you but you still are, considering that you seem to think that your tax money is still yours after you hand it over to the government. I am really going to blow your mind by telling you that you are paying for others healthcare through your insurance as well. What, you thought they just kept your monthly payment set aside for your rainy days?
Sheesh, dude! No need to brutalize poor school girls.
Life is short and dinner time is chancy
Eat desert first! |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.06.28 19:39:00 -
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Master Gotama wrote:personally as an employed, tax paying citizen, i don't like paying for freeloaders to get their healthcare at my expense.
Im willing to bet that any cancer treatment will cost more than the money you have payed into your insurance pot. |
Master Gotama
Black Sky Hipsters
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Posted - 2012.06.28 20:22:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Master Gotama wrote:personally as an employed, tax paying citizen, i don't like paying for freeloaders to get their healthcare at my expense. Im willing to bet that any cancer treatment will cost more than the money you have payed into your insurance pot.
thus the need to have more healthy people covered. i'm not really sure what point you're trying to make, are you? |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics
755
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Posted - 2012.06.28 20:53:00 -
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The only silver lining is that this guarantees a charged Republican electorate and vastly improves the odds of electing Romney. As a country we should never bank our liberty on the opinion of nine justices - they are bound to fail us eventually as they did today. I look forward to its legislative repeal.
That said, Obama has already laid down the precedent for Romney simply choosing to ignore the law's enforcement, the same way Obama had chosen not to enforce laws (immigration, etc) other laws he simply didn't want to.
Romney has all the justification he needs to tell states and individual Americans to ignore it until it's repealed, and that so long as he is president they can do so. Which is a pretty nifty reelection technique. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
1601
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Posted - 2012.06.28 21:26:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Democrats want to kill a bunch of people before they are born and take care of the rest who make it.
Republicans want everyone to be born and then have disease make up the difference.
Politics =/
Can't we have both? Abortions AND diseases!
And everybody's happy |
Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.28 22:25:00 -
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Chief Judas John "Dredd Scott" Roberts: trolling his own political party since 6-28-12
Seriously. If the moderate of the supreme court says he thinks the whole thing should have been overturned, a majority of the states agree, and almost 70% of the population wanted at least the individual mandate gone, maybe the court should have thought a little harder before voting.
The purpose of hi sec isn't to eliminate PvP but to weed out the dumb pvpers.
My Blog-á (feedback welcome) |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
439
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Posted - 2012.06.28 23:33:00 -
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I'm glad I live in a civilised country where healthcare is seen as a right protected by law, not a "privilege." 
Nine-day stay in hospital last summer-- it did, and will, cost me exactly zero. And I've never in my life had, nor yet needed private insurance.
In irae, veritas. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
439
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Posted - 2012.06.28 23:35:00 -
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Ivoto wrote:too lazy to make my links work.
Personally I dont like Barry and Co. mandating that I need private, for-profit health insurance
Just clarified that a little for ya, there, bru.
In irae, veritas. |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics
755
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Posted - 2012.06.28 23:37:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Nine-day stay in hospital last summer-- it did, and will, cost me exactly zero. And
You pay no taxes then? Unemployed? Because that's the only way you're paying zero. What is it with you people who seem to think just because you don't directly pay the service provider that the service is free? You think those doctors and nurses are volunteers? |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
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Posted - 2012.06.28 23:44:00 -
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Jada Maroo wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Nine-day stay in hospital last summer-- it did, and will, cost me exactly zero. And
You pay no taxes then? Unemployed? Because that's the only way you're paying zero. What is it with you people who seem to think just because you don't directly pay the service provider that the service is free? You think those doctors and nurses are volunteers?
This usual tripe is informed by the usual assumption by Americans that taxes in Canada are outrageously high. They are not, especially compared to a lot of places in Europe or UK. Yes, I pay taxes. The difference compared to the GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD(TM) is really not that much, in exchange for a whole lot more, and that my taxes actually go to help finance running the country instead of arms-manufacturers.
And I've been unemployed a number of times over the last 4 years during which I paid no taxes--because I made no money, and that included the time of my little "detour" to hospital--and I was still 100% covered.
Change your mentality, Yanks--becoming ill or injured is not a "crime" that must be "punished."
In irae, veritas. |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics
755
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Posted - 2012.06.28 23:45:00 -
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My own personal plan for dealing with Obamacare: assure that we are under 50 employees and if not fire as many as it takes to get there (we're more like 30, but I need to see what all qualifies as an employee).
Then I'm going to have a sit down with our employees and basically tell them this: we can drop all your coverage and pay the penalties because it is cheaper than actually paying for the health plan and you can bring home more of your money and just pay your own meager penalty to go without coverage and buy it when you actually need it... or you can enjoy paying more for less under Obamacare. |
Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.06.28 23:45:00 -
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Jada Maroo wrote:Because that's the only way you're paying zero. What is it with you people who seem to think just because you don't directly pay the service provider that the service is free? You think those doctors and nurses are volunteers?
No but a lot less of that money is going to the middlemen.
Healthcare costs per capita and percentage of the GDP.
1 United States 7,960 17.4
6 Canada 4,363 11.4
Cheaper per person and overall. Meanwhile the US manages to have more then our entire population uninsured while costing more.
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Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics
755
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Posted - 2012.06.28 23:56:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Change your mentality, Yanks
I don't have to, actually. That's why nations exist. Not every nation needs to do the same as all others. Just as not every state in the United States needs to do the same. The court also said, as I understand it, that the government cannot penalize states that refuse to implement Obamacare by withholding Medicare funds. This may well mean that some states - which I believeTexas will be one of - will simply tell Obama and Justice Roberts what they can go do with themselves.
I've no intention of seeing the healthcare system in the US mimmick the UK or Canadian systems and my vote and political donations will continue to push against it. At least, once Romney wins the presidency, I can take heart in the fact that everyone gets an immediate waiver from this constitutional atrocity. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
1602
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Posted - 2012.06.28 23:56:00 -
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I like my private awesome health care. My longest wait time to see a specialist is about an hour
I've lived in places with socialized medicine and a trip to the doctor is an all day event. It's good to be in the upper 10% of the population  |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics
755
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Posted - 2012.06.28 23:59:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:I like my private awesome health care. My longest wait time to see a specialist is about an hour I've lived in places with socialized medicine and a trip to the doctor is an all day event. It's good to be in the upper 10% of the population
Agreed! No way am I taking part in any health care exchange. I don't want some plebeian coverage designed for the unwashed masses. |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
480
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Posted - 2012.06.29 00:05:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Jada Maroo wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Nine-day stay in hospital last summer-- it did, and will, cost me exactly zero. And
You pay no taxes then? Unemployed? Because that's the only way you're paying zero. What is it with you people who seem to think just because you don't directly pay the service provider that the service is free? You think those doctors and nurses are volunteers? This usual tripe is informed by the usual assumption by Americans that taxes in Canada are outrageously high. They are not, especially compared to a lot of places in Europe or UK. Yes, I pay taxes. The difference compared to the GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD(TM) is really not that much, in exchange for a whole lot more, and that my taxes actually go to help finance running the country instead of arms-manufacturers. And I've been unemployed a number of times over the last 4 years during which I paid no taxes--because I made no money, and that included the time of my little "detour" to hospital--and I was still 100% covered. Change your mentality, Yanks--becoming ill or injured is not a "crime" that must be "punished."
Would you be so kind as to point out where Jada said you guys have high taxes?
I also appreciate how you grouped many people into one lump sum and assume we all have the same idea even though I have already stated that we should have either stayed at our current position or go straight to socialized healthcare. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
439
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Posted - 2012.06.29 00:05:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:I like my private awesome health care. My longest wait time to see a specialist is about an hour I've lived in places with socialized medicine and a trip to the doctor is an all day event. It's good to be in the upper 10% of the population
Never happened to me, even in hospital.
Besides, the option for private care is freely available here.
In irae, veritas. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
439
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Posted - 2012.06.29 00:11:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Would you be so kind as to point out where Jada said you guys have high taxes?
I also appreciate how you grouped many people into one lump sum and assume we all have the same idea even though I have already stated that we should have either stayed at our current position or go straight to socialized healthcare.
Same un-spoken myth, every damned time--doesn't need to be said anymore
In irae, veritas. |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
481
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Posted - 2012.06.29 00:14:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Would you be so kind as to point out where Jada said you guys have high taxes?
I also appreciate how you grouped many people into one lump sum and assume we all have the same idea even though I have already stated that we should have either stayed at our current position or go straight to socialized healthcare.
Same un-spoken myth, every damned time--doesn't need to be said anymore
Thanks, I'll be sure to keep in mind that you prefer to just put words in mouth as you go along. |
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