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SgtStoltz
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.02.14 22:01:00 -
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I was looking to become a carrier/mothership pilot but something i need to know first, if you lose a carrier, dread, mothership etc, do alliances pay for you to get new ones with modules?
If so which ones?
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.02.14 22:07:00 -
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I have never seen an alliance/corp *actually* reimburse loses, even when they had a loss reimbursement program. Your best bet is to become buddy buddy with the prominent FCs so that when they scoop loot off of a battlefield you get some assigned your way.
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Plex shoppa
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Posted - 2010.02.14 22:40:00 -
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Edited by: Plex shoppa on 14/02/2010 22:42:04
Its pretty well know several bigger alliance did this tho, PL used to have pure alliance owned capital fleet and reimbursted titans ect. After their recent loss of space/ moons it might not be the chase anymore tho.
Think NC did this aswell. Evolution run pure commie corp stile, so even tho u prob aint directly reimburst there either, atleast u get a new capital handed out most of the time.
Correct me if Im wrong or forgotten other alliances.
But its still not normal/standard to have 100% reimburstment for capitals.
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Dirk Mortice
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Posted - 2010.02.14 23:38:00 -
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Plenty of the large alliances offer capital replacement, especially for dreads, provided you lose them doing something useful - losing your carrier while ratting is just stupid and you'll just get laughed at
I doubt you'll find anybody willing to replace motherships though. They're useful but alliances have better things to do with 15b+, like fit out 10 people with dreads.
Also, some advice. Looking for an alliance based on the fact that they'll pay for your losses is just stupid. Find somebody you fit with. Also, if an alliance realises all you want is ship reimbursements, you'll be out on your ass
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SgtStoltz
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.02.14 23:47:00 -
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Lol i was under the impression that alliance bought supercaps for those they knew could use them well, or am i mistaken?
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Market Bandit
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Posted - 2010.02.15 00:28:00 -
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 Originally by: SgtStoltz
Lol i was under the impression that alliance bought supercaps for those they knew could use them well, or am i mistaken?
Basically you want multi-billion handouts?
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Calrissias
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Posted - 2010.02.15 02:00:00 -
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Originally by: Market Bandit
Originally by: SgtStoltz
Lol i was under the impression that alliance bought supercaps for those they knew could use them well, or am i mistaken?
Basically you want multi-billion handouts?
Obama gives them out, why not alliances?
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SenshiMaru
Fleet of Doom
Phoenix Virtue
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Posted - 2010.02.15 06:01:00 -
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Originally by: Calrissias
Originally by: Market Bandit
Originally by: SgtStoltz
Lol i was under the impression that alliance bought supercaps for those they knew could use them well, or am i mistaken?
Basically you want multi-billion handouts?
Obama gives them out, why not alliances?
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Carmine Terriv
Caldari
Rage of Inferno
Burning Ambition
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Posted - 2010.02.15 08:00:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Mortice
Plenty of the large alliances offer capital replacement, especially for dreads, provided you lose them doing something useful - losing your carrier while ratting is just stupid and you'll just get laughed at
I doubt you'll find anybody willing to replace motherships though. They're useful but alliances have better things to do with 15b+, like fit out 10 people with dreads.
Also, some advice. Looking for an alliance based on the fact that they'll pay for your losses is just stupid. Find somebody you fit with. Also, if an alliance realises all you want is ship reimbursements, you'll be out on your ass
This, mostly.
But honestly, being with friends is nice and all, but when one bad night leaves you out on the curb without your precious carrier, you'll be thankful for reimbursement.
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Jebidus Skari
Unorganised Crime
Retribution.
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Posted - 2010.02.15 09:22:00 -
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Edited by: Jebidus Skari on 15/02/2010 09:23:11
Sometimes alliances do offer replacements, but only if lost in actual fleet battles. However alot actually buy the cap ship through alliance funds, and is effectively an alliance asset, you then 'borrow' it during ops, and if its still alive you giv eit back after.
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Carniflex
StarHunt
Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.02.15 09:37:00 -
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Most bigger alliances have replacement programme for capitals lost for the glory of alliance. That usually means you were flying it in the alliance sanctioned operation under FC who has clearance for capitals ops in the alliance. Details may vary from alliance to alliance.
Supercapital replacement is less likely, as they are not that cost effective and for alliance it is better to have 50 dreads than one titan.
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.02.15 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Carniflex
Most bigger alliances have replacement programme for capitals lost for the glory of alliance. That usually means you were flying it in the alliance sanctioned operation under FC who has clearance for capitals ops in the alliance. Details may vary from alliance to alliance.
Supercapital replacement is less likely, as they are not that cost effective and for alliance it is better to have 50 dreads than one titan.
All kinds of alliances have "replacement programs" for all kinds of things - from battleships to HACs or whatever. The most common caveat is that you have to have been flying under a sanctioned FC... but you know what? I haven't seen a ship reimbursement happen since 2006 without you being the alliance leader's or FC's best bud.
Really now, with the proliferation of capitals these days do you really expect the situation there to be any better than for BS if it even in fact is any better? Yeah. I guess the really hilarious part is that every corp/alliance I've joined has heard some variant of this story and all of them ensure me that Things Are Different Here. Uh-huh.
-Liang
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.15 14:50:00 -
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It differs per type of alliance.
The "elite few" in 0.0 alliances make quadrabazillions of isk on moon mining for which they need protection. So IF they'd want me to protect their moongold income (which is what hiring more people into your corp/alliance essentially is) then they'd better somehow make it worth my while.
So if, on a official OP, I lose my ship they had better replace it for me or offer me one at a decent discount. Most people in these sort of alliances are milked and used, mostly without realising it. It's kinda like "save my income but don't bother me with your boring problems and issues".
Other alliances don't do a lot of that moon crap and just want to shoot stuff, in those cases it's "everyone for himself, if you like pewpew stay and fight, if you need to make money go figure it out, if you moan gtfo". Which is understandable, it's pure pvp based, no one is skimming from the top (really) so sort out your own problems.
Then there's a few alliances who do it decently/properly, who do replace ships lost and/or have a realistic replacement program. It takes more effort to do it that way and the leaders actually look out for their member's interests (gasp) but on the whole, to me at least, it makes for a better, closeknit corp/alliance.
So in short to the OP; it depends but they're not here to pay for epeen thirst to fly big/expensive stuff and then lose it in a stupid/non-sanctioned way.
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John Orr
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Posted - 2010.02.15 15:24:00 -
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If you are looking at a full replacement I would look at other ships as I personally don't know a single Alliance that will do that, the best you can look for is a substantial return on your loss, something like 500 mill to full replacement of hull with you paying out for mods, rigs, fighters and drones.
You may well think this is unfair but meh, you chose to take the ship in to combat so you live with the consequences and truth be told once you get the cash / hull you are in nullsec so you should be able to rat for the remainder quite easily and be back in a fully fitted carrier / dread before you know it.
Not a single alliance will replace a super carrier. If you lose one of those and ask for a full replacement of the hull (let alone mods) you will get laughed at.
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Carniflex
StarHunt
Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.02.15 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Carniflex
Most bigger alliances have replacement programme for capitals lost for the glory of alliance. That usually means you were flying it in the alliance sanctioned operation under FC who has clearance for capitals ops in the alliance. Details may vary from alliance to alliance.
Supercapital replacement is less likely, as they are not that cost effective and for alliance it is better to have 50 dreads than one titan.
All kinds of alliances have "replacement programs" for all kinds of things - from battleships to HACs or whatever. The most common caveat is that you have to have been flying under a sanctioned FC... but you know what? I haven't seen a ship reimbursement happen since 2006 without you being the alliance leader's or FC's best bud.
Really now, with the proliferation of capitals these days do you really expect the situation there to be any better than for BS if it even in fact is any better? Yeah. I guess the really hilarious part is that every corp/alliance I've joined has heard some variant of this story and all of them ensure me that Things Are Different Here. Uh-huh.
-Liang
I have seen capital replacements work in my alliance as our corporation has lost it's fair few in the territorial dance. With basic insurance the isk is kinda so so enough to replace the ship + fit if you did not have faction stuff on it. The small print about needing capital cleared FC is to avoid situations where some jackass organizes capital op and manages to lose it all. Then again most corporations provide their own capitals as we don't have alliance level capital part as far as I'm aware. Safer that way - one bad apple can't make a run for it that way with 100 dreads under his belt.
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Hiroshima Jita
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Posted - 2010.02.16 00:43:00 -
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Edited by: Hiroshima Jita on 16/02/2010 00:43:56
Our alliance reimburses dictors and logistics if they follow specific criteria.
They can't be failfit.
They can't be lost do to the pilot doing a fail. (For example failjumping a gate into an enemy fleet and dying a horrible death when the fc says to hold.)
They have to be operating under a recognized FC.
We end up reimbursing something like 500mil/week.
Our wallet couldn't stand up to reimbursing capitols from a serious cap fight. Maybe before Dominion the territories we now hold would've done it but now...
We have a system for providing cheap caps to alliance members but its a little bit arcane and probably favors people who are close to the alliance leader.
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Jotobar
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Posted - 2010.02.16 01:49:00 -
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some do, we do, gotta be fleet fit and call to arms specificly asking you to bring one though.
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Noun Verber
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.02.16 07:11:00 -
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Don't join any of Liangs alliances then if you want reimbursement
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Asuka Smith
Gallente
Noir.
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Posted - 2010.02.16 07:34:00 -
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The best part of this thread is that any corporation rich or powerful enough to replace capitals will be doing an eve-search before accepting the guy into it, and seeing a thread like this "Hi, I'm new, and I'm a mooch" is a great way to get accepted.
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