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Celestine Santora
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Posted - 2010.02.20 03:12:00 -
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Originally by: Tulisin Dragonflame
Originally by: Mr Ravenblade Edited by: Mr Ravenblade on 16/02/2010 23:17:20 As a newer player who can not yet fly the "big ships" like the titan or capitals, how can I best make a real difference, create change, or otherwise have an effect in eve?
The marketing to become a capsuleer always chooses to talk about how one person can make a difference, do extraordinary things, take on the world, etc.. but I really do not see a lot of that being *allowed* by the social elements because they see new players as worthless due to this lack of skills. The further budgetary constraints created by the sheer cost of many of the "good ships" and the skill books that enable them further complicates this issue.
So how am I supposed to do big things in eve, make an impact, etc, without working in a ore belt for 3 years to get the isk and the skills to fly capitals?
Edit: No this is not a troll, I honestly want to know what I can DO to be not only the most useful, but also make a real impact like the game marketing says is possible.
CCP actually likes to emphasize the butterfly effect a single player can have on a highly interconnected world. It isn't about you gunning down a hundred ships by yourself, but rather influencing the big picture in your own small way.
Lets say a month-old player fits up a rifter. He goes out to lowsec and finds a cruiser speeding along towards its destination. In a hurry, the cruiser just attempt to pass through the system, but the rifter tackles it and tries to kill it. The cruiser turns on Newbie McRifter and kills him (not saying that'll always happen, but it does in this case).
That cruiser was rushing to the aid of a nearby friendly freighter full of PoS fuel. Due to the delay, he didn't make it in time to support his gang, and a cascade of fail befalls the freighter's defense, causing it to die.
The freighter was on the way to a station that was about to run out of fuel.
The station was about to finish building a super capital ship.
The super capital ship was about to be deployed into a large fleet to defend an entire region from an enemy alliance.
But for the newbie rifter, the region was lost.
An improbable scenario, to be sure, but a demonstration of how one "takes on the world" in their own way. Every action you make has impacts that make ripples across the universe.
And the newbie never realizes any of this and gets discouraged because he got blown up
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.02.20 03:48:00 -
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heh, Idle has gotten many new members by blowing people up and them saying hey I want to join that corp.
probably the most epic of all was Manko ransomed a guy, hey I'll let you go if you decide to join my corp. that was bout 2.5 years ago, the guy ransomed is still around.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2010.02.20 12:13:00 -
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Getting blown up can be the best way to learn.
If you talk with the guy who blew you up instead of whining or trash talking him - he may be happy to give you some pointers on what you did wrong. I had some guy flip one of my cans and decided to take him on. He blew me up and I hunted him down - and then asked him some questions which he was more than happy to answer so I really learned a lot from the experience.
EVE is a PVP game. You don't have to specialize in PVP but - PVP is there, it is always there. Every time you undock - you are subject to non-consensual PVP. Whether you are hauling, missioning, mining or anything else - you can end up in direct PVP with someone in some way or another. There is no PVP server or safe areas. Some areas are safer than others ... but that's about it.
For me - I came from a shooter - so I was used to killing and being killed. That was all we did. Other people come from less brutal games and then they get all outraged when someone blows them up.
EVE is a challenging game. There's nothing like taking on another player who is as smart as you are and as eager to stay alive as you are. PVE just does not compare. Because EVE is the way it is - you need to learn how to exist in it's environment and establish good survival habits. Even if what you're doing isn't primarily a PVP activity - you need to be aware of what can happen and make taking precautions against what other players can do part of your SOP. There are some things you might do a thousand times without need - and then - something happens and all the precautions you took can save your ass.
If you don't want to do that, if you get lazy and slip up - then don't cry about it when you get blown up. It is part of the game that you can be attacked any time, any place outside a base and you need to be aware of that. Keep your situational awareness up, know what other players can do - and be as ready for it as you can be.
If you don't want to play in that kind of environment - then EVE just may not be the game for you.
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Apoctasy
Deskira Industries G String University
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Posted - 2010.02.22 01:17:00 -
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Eve is not an instant gratification game where you begin to do epic things immediately.
As such, when you do manage to do something cool (like in the stories you have undoubtedly read), it feels that much cooler because you worked so hard for it.
Yes, it takes time.
One thing is for sure; there are not many opportunities to 'make an impact' in the relative safety of highsec, unless you are some kind of crazy market guy. Find a pvp corp and move to lowsec or 0.0 where the risks and rewards are much greater. Newer players can be extremely useful with tackling and such.
Fitting a rifter (best pvp frig) with a warp disruptor/scrambler + web takes like a few hours of skill training, and you will be most welcome in any small-mid sized gang.
From there on, it is simply a matter of enjoying the game and killing others, while rising in your corporation or alliance until the day you yourself end up holding an officer position in a corp or alliance and help change Eve.
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Starnap
Wham.
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Posted - 2010.02.22 12:41:00 -
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As a new player you're not likely to make a huge difference by joining someone else's corp.
Best way to make an impact is to form a corp that is different. Innovative ideas aren't easy to come by I guess, but things like Noob Mercs, Red v Blue and I'm sure lots of others I don't know about could have been started by any noob.
Get a group together, have an interesting idea for playing in a different way, persevere at that, grow bigger and better. It's not hard to become quite well known locally by doing this.
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Meredith Midnight
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Posted - 2010.02.22 19:00:00 -
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Quote: If you talk with the guy who blew you up instead of whining or trash talking him - he may be happy to give you some pointers on what you did wrong. I had some guy flip one of my cans and decided to take him on. He blew me up and I hunted him down - and then asked him some questions which he was more than happy to answer so I really learned a lot from the experience.
Ya know, alot of people say this. And the only answer i get is 'l2play noob' or of similar responses when I ask the person who got the better of me (no it wasn't riddled with tears/smack, it was a serious question answered with an elitist reply). It was one of the main reasons why I find pvp so boring. (Fortunately some people on the forums helped me out on what exactly what traversal was).
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Ard UnjiiGo
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2010.02.23 00:29:00 -
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Edited by: Ard UnjiiGo on 23/02/2010 00:35:43
Originally by: Meredith Midnight
Quote: If you talk with the guy who blew you up instead of whining or trash talking him - he may be happy to give you some pointers on what you did wrong. I had some guy flip one of my cans and decided to take him on. He blew me up and I hunted him down - and then asked him some questions which he was more than happy to answer so I really learned a lot from the experience.
Ya know, alot of people say this. And the only answer i get is 'l2play noob' or of similar responses when I ask the person who got the better of me (no it wasn't riddled with tears/smack, it was a serious question answered with an elitist reply). It was one of the main reasons why I find pvp so boring. (Fortunately some people on the forums helped me out on what exactly what traversal was).
Be curious to know where you were when this happened. High sec, low sec or 0.0?
Been in low-sec myself since my second day. In all that time, I've never seen or heard of a low-sec pirate giving that type of a response to a nonsmacky victim asking genuine questions.
Edit and on topic: Sometimes you make an impact by just being an anonymous drone.
One of the downsides (depending on your perspective) for a sandbox game like EVE compared to a themepark game is that most of the time, most of the players are not being told they are "Epic Heroes".
It's a harsh, unforgiving, cutthroat world and survival combined with even modest success is an impressive accomplishment that will, generally, go unheralded. If you are having fun and continuing to both challenge yourself and feel challenged, then likely you are having an impact since we are all interconnected here in ways that players in other MMOs are not.
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Tason Hyena
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.02.23 02:33:00 -
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One lowsec player ganked my hauler and actually gave me money for the loss since i was "so noob" as he put it. I think the problem though is that they don't talk to your period, lowseccers pod you when they can. "Pirates" are kind of a joke to us, because we never see them, we just see gankers.
As for the OP, pick something you like, good luck.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.02.23 03:58:00 -
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oh and you want to make an impact eh?
I'd go into the banking business!
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dtyk
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Posted - 2010.02.23 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Tason Hyena One lowsec player ganked my hauler and actually gave me money for the loss since i was "so noob" as he put it. I think the problem though is that they don't talk to your period, lowseccers pod you when they can. "Pirates" are kind of a joke to us, because we never see them, we just see gankers.
You do NOT get podded outside 0.0 unless you run into a smartbombing gatecamp AND have bad luck. Ot if you do something very stupid, but that doesn't count.
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Tarhim
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.02.23 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: dtyk
You do NOT get podded outside 0.0 unless you run into a smartbombing gatecamp AND have bad luck.
Not really.
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Mobius Fierce
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Posted - 2010.02.23 23:54:00 -
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Find other players with similar/complementary interests and work together. Do not join a corporation that has mandatory anything. If you like PvP there are a several corps out there that will supply free frigates for newbies to fight and die gloriously in while you learn the ropes.
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Tason Hyena
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.02.24 00:25:00 -
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Dtyk, "pod you when they can." Sometimes they can, people are human. In any case, pod or not, I'm not hanging around in a lowsec system chatting with someone who blew up my ship. Nothing productive in it.
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dtyk
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Posted - 2010.02.24 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: Tason Hyena I'm not hanging around in a lowsec system chatting with someone who blew up my ship. Nothing productive in it.
Perhaps that is why you will get blown to pieces the next time, too.
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Meredith Midnight
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Posted - 2010.02.24 05:36:00 -
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Edited by: Meredith Midnight on 24/02/2010 05:39:20
Originally by: Ard UnjiiGo Be curious to know where you were when this happened. High sec, low sec or 0.0?
0.0 and lowsec, but mainly gallente/caldari lowsec areas. Did the whole 'bring 20 frigs to lowsec and sacrifice them to the PVP god, and he'll bestow upon you wisdom' and all i got was a lot of ganks, missed opportunities and uneventful roams. Like the other poster said, most of them pop you and not say a word. But the ones where it was actually close and the guy was in structure goes 'lol noob' (edit)after asking him how i could have done better(/edit), then it just makes the whole experience even more boring.
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Tarhim
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.02.24 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Tason Hyena In any case, pod or not, I'm not hanging around in a lowsec system chatting with someone who blew up my ship. Nothing productive in it.
Well, in my experience it is quite productive. You have to be in safe place just in case, tho.
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Miss Understated
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Posted - 2010.02.24 16:21:00 -
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Here's how I've made my impact, because I'm low on skill points but I'm having fun.
I've found 2 systems where I can become an ammo supplier while I also run missions. I create the ammo from materials I get from refining drops that I get. I've calc'd out the prices that I could get from selling/buying said materials in Jita. I've priced the ammo to make a slightly better profit from selling said ammo rather than selling mats in Jita. I make enough ammo to keep myself supplied and sell the excess to the market.
A few Industry levels, Production Efficiency levels...Time Research a few ammo BPO's and I'm having fun and impacting my local combat economy.
Good times!
Hope this helps...fly safe O7
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