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Fearr Dorchaa
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Posted - 2010.02.17 14:25:00 -
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No, not that thing that involves renting two women for the night, sorry to disappoint. I'm referring to the use of two chars on two accounts for PeeVeePee at the same time, what do people advocate as a good mix (I know, I know its all situational) but as a general rule? I'm thinking a tasty recon tag team like Pilgrim + Falcon (might even go Blackbird + Arby to start off so I don't potentially f**k up and lose 400 mils worth the first time I make a balls of it and die) given the loverly mix of Ewar + neut + mix of drones and both can use Cov Ops Cloak.
You can fit a probe to either without gimping their fit so probing plexers and the like out should still be possible.
At the same time maybe bomber + prober falcon would be even better as I have more dps and only lose about 40 mill on a dead sb but then sb's are so paper thin if I get anything wrong it's an insta dead sb
For the most part I like to pick my fights so expect lots of ratter/plexer ganking.
Thoughts/advice?
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GavinGoodrich
Ungrouped Guns
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Posted - 2010.02.18 03:38:00 -
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Edited by: GavinGoodrich on 18/02/2010 03:40:02
Edited by: GavinGoodrich on 18/02/2010 03:39:08
One screen or two? Don't do anything fancy without a second screen.
I'm on one screen, and yeah I've boxed recons before. Typically it ended up horribly. Anything fragile, without tons of buffer to allow you good response times is asking for trouble. Obviously that kind of rules two inties out. I'm sure some people can pull it off, but I've never seen it to date.
Mixing things that require a different line of reflexes (I.E. A Basilisk and a Falcon) means you'll get ****-poor reaction time on ships that require a lot of finesse.
A pair of RR BS's amongst a fleet of the same, or simple gank-fit, cheap cruisers, is easy to do. A Covops/recon scout alt is fairly common for many FC's I've met (Gobbins is notorious for that).
You gonna be with friends doing this? A pair of guardians/basis/scims/onieros would be fun to do with two screens. Easy to manage...one gets shot--tab over to the other and rep it. Keep either one perma-locked for simplicity.
*edit* Lowsec or 0.0? A HIC alt is actually fairly easy to manage, and you can fit them for some decent DPS to help with the gankage. Keep at range or orbit 500 on something big, turn on guns/mwd as needed, tab over to the other and focus on that.
8edit edit* I suck at editing.
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K1RTH G3RS3N
Haunted House
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Posted - 2010.02.18 05:40:00 -
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solo wardec corps and use the second toon as a probing cov-ops frig pilot not in your corp (doesnt stand out) to watch what your targets are doing, find them, probe them, create a warp to point.
scimitar/oneiros alt... use crazy gank battleship.
command link alt giving you massive bonuses.
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Amarr Supremacist
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Posted - 2010.02.18 06:12:00 -
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Dramiel + SB combo. Runs camps and has great DPS.
- Intigo
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Ambo
I've Got Nothing
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Posted - 2010.02.18 08:38:00 -
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Salvage alt to clean up after you make a mess. 
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Konco R
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Posted - 2010.02.18 12:06:00 -
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This is something I'd love to get answer to too.
ATM I have an alt with a cov ops frig and he's training for a HIC atm.
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Fearr Dorchaa
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Posted - 2010.02.18 14:03:00 -
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Thanks for the feedback - I should have specified, this will be in 0 sec in popular ratting/plexing systems and will require the following skillsets, Probing, Ganking (I wont have 10 minutes to bring a raven down do decent DPS required), Running bubble camps, probably long periods of observing enemy bubbles and their make up, Pointing (rather obviously) and holding BS's and BC's at belts and in plexs, being able to afk safely for longish periods to get rattters/plexers used to your presence.
I will be doing this on one screen running 2 clients at the same time, its a powerful agming PC though so hopefully it will be well able for the job without lagging out
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Shinjo Bajahnhosuu
Blood Money Bootcamp
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Posted - 2010.02.19 00:48:00 -
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Edited by: Shinjo Bajahnhosuu on 19/02/2010 00:50:55
I come down on the side of those who suggest using the alt primarily for scouting/scanning/warpin. Trying to maintain situational awareness during combat on two characters is really difficult. While I'm sure it's possible it will be a very expensive skill to acquire since you'll want to be flying at the very least a T2 CovOps (so you can warp cloaked) ... these can run somewhere between 20-30 mil after you fit it out (especially if you go with Sisters).
But using the second account simply for probing and creating a warp-in can be quite effective. Once you have the warpable on a target you can either warp your combat main directly, or warp in your scout and try to assess the situation while still cloaked, and then have your main warp to your alt. But that's where I'd leave it, don't bother pointing with your alt ... those ships are made of tissue paper. You'll lose a few targets this way but it will be much cheaper. In fact, I don't even fit a point on my CovOps alt because I know I'll be tempted to use it.
Anyway, my 2c. I'm sure others will have a higher threshold for risk here and will tell you it's worth doing.
Edit: forgot to say that even on my fairly high-end system I find that alt-tabbing between clients on the same box is a lot smoother when I run in widowed mode instead of full screen. The client I'm alt-tabbing to seems to respond much more quickly after the alt-tab.
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Ephemeron
Retribution Corp.
Initiative Associates
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Posted - 2010.02.19 01:33:00 -
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 Originally by: Fearr Dorchaa
I will be doing this on one screen running 2 clients at the same time, its a powerful agming PC though so hopefully it will be well able for the job without lagging out
If you can afford a powerful gaming computer, you can afford a 2nd monitor
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Meowizer
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Posted - 2010.02.19 03:39:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron
If you can afford a powerful gaming computer, you can afford a 2nd monitor
But I don't have room for another 28" monitor. 
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Carniflex
StarHunt
Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.02.19 06:50:00 -
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Originally by: Meowizer
Originally by: Ephemeron
If you can afford a powerful gaming computer, you can afford a 2nd monitor
But I don't have room for another 28" monitor.
A different monitor sitting next to it would look silly.
If you have good big screen as your 'main' then running 2 clients in windowed mode 'side by side' with small overlap is pretty reasonable, as you will need smaller movements to switch between those clients and can even escape the alt-tab alltogehter. Second monitor is usually not sitting in the focus of your view so it's easier to miss something in there. I usually run third / 4th account on the second display and they are doing stuff that does not need alot of attnetion. Things like afkhauling in empire (NPC's corp alts for the wartimes) or cloaking in some nearby system and I galnce at them every once in a while to see if someone is trying to sneak up on me.
You can also nowdays drag most stuff around in your eve screen, so just configure one of your accounts as 'left' and another one as 'right' window, so that all the important stuff is visible even if 'focus' is on the other guy.
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Scylara
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Posted - 2010.02.19 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron
Originally by: Fearr Dorchaa
I will be doing this on one screen running 2 clients at the same time, its a powerful agming PC though so hopefully it will be well able for the job without lagging out
If you can afford a powerful gaming computer, you can afford a 2nd monitor
I love this logic, who can argue with this guy.
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Fearr Dorchaa
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Posted - 2010.02.19 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron
Originally by: Fearr Dorchaa
I will be doing this on one screen running 2 clients at the same time, its a powerful agming PC though so hopefully it will be well able for the job without lagging out
If you can afford a powerful gaming computer, you can afford a 2nd monitor
Well, now that you mention it i have 2 19" LCD screens lying around that im not using for anything, would it be possible to run the two clients side by side using the same desktop PC - i'm assuming this could be done but i never thought about it
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Gladys Pank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.02.19 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Fearr Dorchaa
Originally by: Ephemeron
Originally by: Fearr Dorchaa
I will be doing this on one screen running 2 clients at the same time, its a powerful agming PC though so hopefully it will be well able for the job without lagging out
If you can afford a powerful gaming computer, you can afford a 2nd monitor
Well, now that you mention it i have 2 19" LCD screens lying around that im not using for anything, would it be possible to run the two clients side by side using the same desktop PC - i'm assuming this could be done but i never thought about it
I run 2 accounts on 2 screens, from the same client. If you have extra HDD space you can copy the client to a second location to save on setting up each clients screen settings each log in but it makes no performance improvement to do so.
Just be sure to set the second screen to be using the second output on your card (becomes clear on the graphics options screen)
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Ormagon Soulshatter
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Posted - 2010.02.19 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Fearr Dorchaa
Originally by: Ephemeron
Originally by: Fearr Dorchaa
I will be doing this on one screen running 2 clients at the same time, its a powerful agming PC though so hopefully it will be well able for the job without lagging out
If you can afford a powerful gaming computer, you can afford a 2nd monitor
Well, now that you mention it i have 2 19" LCD screens lying around that im not using for anything, would it be possible to run the two clients side by side using the same desktop PC - i'm assuming this could be done but i never thought about it
the is very possible simply check to see if ur videocard can support 2 screens if so it should already have 2 screen jacks in the back or an adapter could be bought at pretty much any computer store plug in both screens right click desktop enter setting blah blah blah im usinh a 37inch lcd hd tv screena nd a 19 inch junkscreen for chatting w\epic stuffs
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Fearr Dorchaa
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Posted - 2010.02.20 00:03:00 -
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hmmm, just checked and my gfx card has two hdmi outputs.
not to be inappropriate but im getting very hot and bothered thinking about playing with two clients side by side :D
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Joe Censored
Unknown-Entity
Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.20 00:20:00 -
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Edited by: Joe Censored on 20/02/2010 00:21:41
Edited by: Joe Censored on 20/02/2010 00:20:53
My experience with 2 accounts at the same time in PVP is flying an ECM ship like a falcon becomes troublesome with multiple PVP targets. An ECM ship needs to try to lay down jams on multiple targets simultaniously, maintain range, and escape when under a real attack BEFORE an enemy inty gets you tackled, instead of just putting DPS on primary and keeping in tackle range like so many other ships, so you end up needing more attention to that ECM toon. That causes problems for your alt you aren't watching as much as you should.
And do duel screen or don't bother.
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Lenara Bos
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Posted - 2010.02.20 14:37:00 -
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I've been trying to get 2 clients going at the same time, 2 separate installs, but whenever I try and log in with the second it tells me eve doesn't like me logging into more than one account at a single time and stops me. Any help?
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Matarella
Serenity Ascension
On the Rocks
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Posted - 2010.02.20 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Lenara Bos
I've been trying to get 2 clients going at the same time, 2 separate installs, but whenever I try and log in with the second it tells me eve doesn't like me logging into more than one account at a single time and stops me. Any help?
then your running trial on 1 of them. you wont be able to log in multiple times on the same IP on difrent accounts then. both accounts need to be full account.
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Alsyth
Night Warder
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Posted - 2010.02.22 19:13:00 -
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For small gang pvp I have a Drake on my main and a covops on my alt (with combat probes).
I think I'll stick to either :
-something tanky and not hard to manage on the main, and a recon/logistic on the alt
-or something harder to manage on the main (recon, fast HAC...) and a covops on the alt.
Just don't take two ships that requires micro-management and fast response time, or it will end up badly.
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Torn Slightly
Minmatar
Nephite Tribe
The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2010.02.24 00:25:00 -
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I run dual windowed accounts sometimes. The second account always seem to crash at inopportune moments. May be this happens less with dual monitors...
When I do run them, missiles and drones are easier to manage for dps (Turrets require more positional management). I run them mostly together for missions. If I were to take them to pvp, one would have to be a probe / sb as it gets hectic managing two (My windows overlap though ;).
As has already been said, paper-thin ships are much more of a liability in this case.
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Millimage
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.02.24 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Gladys Pank
I run 2 accounts on 2 screens, from the same client. If you have extra HDD space you can copy the client to a second location to save on setting up each clients screen settings each log in but it makes no performance improvement to do so.
You don't actually need two copies to run with different settings. EVElopedia explains how to accomplish this with junctions here.
The one thing that will wreck your dual monitor performance (if you're running two clients) is positioning the windows so that one spills over to the other screen. This will drop your fps to about 5. But only the 3d rendered content does this, window frames etc. won't matter. EVEMon seems to position my windows correctly, but YMMV.
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