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Myz Toyou Bite Me inc Exhale. 121	Posted - 2012.06.29 09:51:00 - [1] - Quote Hello TwoStep, lots of us WH dwellers had high hopes in you when we listened to your words on TS regarding Self Destruction mechanics and you mentioning that this would be on your agenda. I think by now it is clear and proven by several threads that the majority of players in and out of WH space think that SDing under agression & inside a forcefield is retarted and should be looked into by CCP. Did you had the chance to get that already on CCPs table cos this: [ 2012.06.28 23:46:16 ] (notify) Thanatos belonging to craftmc self-destructs. needs to stop or nees to generate a record of the event other then the log record.
joes Bazooka Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 16	Posted - 2012.06.29 10:00:00 - [2] - Quote TBH i wish they would hurry up and release the CSM minutes in full pretty soon.
Efraya DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale. 101	Posted - 2012.06.29 10:52:00 - [3] - Quote inb4 Arguments about bringing more DPS... Get it fixed son! WSpace; Best space.
Seifer Al'Masy Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy 8	Posted - 2012.06.29 11:51:00 - [4] - Quote I like to think that people are crying badly while they see their own ships SDing.......
Bane Nucleus The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost 126	Posted - 2012.06.29 12:01:00 - [5] - Quote Honestly, I have no issue with the mechanic of self destructing. But when you have caps involved in a fight, and they SD, there is no record of them being lost due to being in battle. Sure, we didn't give it the killing blow, but it blew up BECAUSE of our aggression. As such, just show it on the damn km as a SD and everyone will be happy. More importantly, I am making salmon steaks on the grill for dinner today. Alliance Diplomat, Recruiter
joes Bazooka Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 16	Posted - 2012.06.29 12:08:00 - [6] - Quote Bane Nucleus wrote: Honestly, I have no issue with the mechanic of self destructing. But when you have caps involved in a fight, and they SD, there is no record of them being lost due to being in battle. Sure, we didn't give it the killing blow, but it blew up BECAUSE of our aggression. As such, just show it on the damn km as a SD and everyone will be happy. More importantly, I am making salmon steaks on the grill for dinner today. I never really liked Salmon.
Cybus Max Bite Me inc Exhale. 4	Posted - 2012.06.29 12:15:00 - [7] - Quote It should be same as logoffski if your aggressed you can't SD for 15 mins and you can't SD in a POS ( or you can't SD in bubbles???)
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings 251	Posted - 2012.06.29 13:13:00 - [8] - Quote Bane Nucleus wrote: Honestly, I have no issue with the mechanic of self destructing. But when you have caps involved in a fight, and they SD, there is no record of them being lost due to being in battle. Sure, we didn't give it the killing blow, but it blew up BECAUSE of our aggression. As such, just show it on the damn km as a SD and everyone will be happy. More importantly, I am making salmon steaks on the grill for dinner today. +1 Leave SD alone. But when under agression it should show the SD as having dealt the killing blow on the killmail. I bet far fewer would SD if it was going to show the lossmail anyhow. And doubly so if it showed the fact that you self destructed.
Ayeson Hard Knocks Inc. 41	Posted - 2012.06.29 13:15:00 - [9] - Quote Cybus Max wrote: It should be same as logoffski if your aggressed you can't SD for 15 mins and you can't SD in a POS ( or you can't SD in bubbles???) I like where this idea is going...but maybe a shorter timer... Also obligatory bring moar deeps comment Ask me about Rengas-dar, HRDKX's Most recent, groundbreaking, game-changing, wormhole-collapsing research endeavour.
Myz Toyou Bite Me inc Exhale. 126	Posted - 2012.06.29 13:32:00 - [10] - Quote Derath Ellecon wrote: Bane Nucleus wrote: Honestly, I have no issue with the mechanic of self destructing. But when you have caps involved in a fight, and they SD, there is no record of them being lost due to being in battle. Sure, we didn't give it the killing blow, but it blew up BECAUSE of our aggression. As such, just show it on the damn km as a SD and everyone will be happy. More importantly, I am making salmon steaks on the grill for dinner today. +1 Leave SD alone. But when under agression it should show the SD as having dealt the killing blow on the killmail. I bet far fewer would SD if it was going to show the lossmail anyhow. And doubly so if it showed the fact that you self destructed. I have no problem with SDing as an ingame feature, just create an KM when it happens under agression.
Klarion Sythis Bite Me inc Exhale. 21	Posted - 2012.06.29 13:33:00 - [11] - Quote Derath Ellecon wrote: Bane Nucleus wrote: Honestly, I have no issue with the mechanic of self destructing. But when you have caps involved in a fight, and they SD, there is no record of them being lost due to being in battle. Sure, we didn't give it the killing blow, but it blew up BECAUSE of our aggression. As such, just show it on the damn km as a SD and everyone will be happy. More importantly, I am making salmon steaks on the grill for dinner today. +1 Leave SD alone. But when under agression it should show the SD as having dealt the killing blow on the killmail. I bet far fewer would SD if it was going to show the lossmail anyhow. And doubly so if it showed the fact that you self destructed. Well that's not really leaving it alone, is it? However, that would be a spot on solution for most. It's not about the loot.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings 251	Posted - 2012.06.29 13:43:00 - [12] - Quote Klarion Sythis wrote: Leave SD alone. But when under agression it should show the SD as having dealt the killing blow on the killmail. I bet far fewer would SD if it was going to show the lossmail anyhow. And doubly so if it showed the fact that you self destructed. Well that's not really leaving it alone, is it? However, that would be a spot on solution for most. It's not about the loot.[/quote] Well, it is leaving the mechanics of self destruct alone (unlike other options, like you cannot SD under agression, or cannot for 15min if agressed). It is only change the after effects of self destruct, namely getting a killmail out of it.
Godfrey Silvarna Stargates and Smuggler Barons 19	Posted - 2012.06.29 13:50:00 - [13] - Quote Griefing griefers by griefing yourself harder than they do is a valid way to say **** you. There just should be a record of you griefing yourself. YARR!
Malception Cosmology Deadly Unknown 2	Posted - 2012.06.29 13:52:00 - [14] - Quote Not being a KM wh02e, myself, I don't care if someone SDs in a POS as long as I get to 2ap3 their WH and pillage their women. That being said, I am in agreement with everyone who has said there should be some sort of SD tag on KMs of ships that are self destructed. It might also help if an unremovable "little b!7ch" tattoo was affixed to the foreheads of avatars that SD ships while under aggression. -Mal
Kalel Nimrott Wishful Desires Inc. Armada Assail 17	Posted - 2012.06.29 13:59:00 - [15] - Quote Perhaps not taking out the SD but that it shows in record as a taint, SD < lost fighting
Mia Restolo Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 54	Posted - 2012.06.29 14:19:00 - [16] - Quote SD should produce a km for the last person who shot them while the aggression timer is still active. SD in the middle of a battle should still count as a kill. SD in a POS force field shouldn't give you a KM just for being in the system, it effectively denies the enemy assets and trolls them into whining about it on the forums.
Lyrka Bloodberry Spybeaver 85	Posted - 2012.06.29 14:28:00 - [17] - Quote Somebody has to say it: "Waaah! I want people to see how long my epeen is! But I cannot, when somebody selfdestructs! Waaahh! So change the mechanic, because my epeen is so long! Look at my epeen! It's so long! Look at it!" And of course nobody, who posted in this thread is a KM wh***. Yeah, sure you aren't... But don't get me wrong: I think it's okay, when CCP takes a look at the mechanic. It's not that there were any bugs or broken machanics in this game which are more important to be looked at. Spybeaver
Myz Toyou Bite Me inc Exhale. 126	Posted - 2012.06.29 15:18:00 - [18] - Quote Lyrka Bloodberry wrote: Somebody has to say it: "Waaah! I want people to see how long my epeen is! But I cannot, when somebody selfdestructs! Waaahh! So change the mechanic, because my epeen is so long! Look at my epeen! It's so long! Look at it!" And of course nobody, who posted in this thread is a KM wh***. Yeah, sure you aren't... But don't get me wrong: I think it's okay, when CCP takes a look at the mechanic. It's not that there were any bugs or broken machanics in this game which are more important to be looked at. So whos your main in that list I post in the top ?
Gnaw LF AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse 102	Posted - 2012.06.29 15:27:00 - [19] - Quote Cybus Max wrote: It should be same as logoffski if your aggressed you can't SD for 15 mins and you can't SD in a POS ( or you can't SD in bubbles???) No, not it shouldn't. Self Destruct is there to prevent time griefing, where you get pointed, bubbled and re-aggressed to keep you there indefinitely. Thats the whole point of SD, if you get caught by assholes who are ok with idling for an hour or more while preventing you from playing the game. Everyone should have the ability to SD whenever the **** they want, except that a KM should be generated if the player was aggressed. CCP does not even have to make a lot of changes, just add Self Destruct as an involved party to the KM with the amount of damage that resulted from SDing. Simple.
Godfrey Silvarna Stargates and Smuggler Barons 19	Posted - 2012.06.29 15:39:00 - [20] - Quote Lyrka Bloodberry wrote: Somebody has to say it: "Waaah! I want people to see how long my epeen is! But I cannot, when somebody selfdestructs! Waaahh! So change the mechanic, because my epeen is so long! Look at my epeen! It's so long! Look at it!" And of course nobody, who posted in this thread is a KM wh***. Yeah, sure you aren't... But don't get me wrong: I think it's okay, when CCP takes a look at the mechanic. It's not that there were any bugs or broken machanics in this game which are more important to be looked at. You are saying this as if e-peen lengthening was a bad thing, and having an e-peen large enough to swat the Jita station to the sun with is not the only way to win EVE. I disapprove of your message.
Kyle Ward Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 148	Posted - 2012.06.29 16:04:00 - [21] - Quote Every time a cap self destructs, I smile. The Sandbox, you're playing it wrong!
Eternal Error Exitus Acta Probant 60	Posted - 2012.06.29 17:34:00 - [22] - Quote I can agree with preventing SDing inside a bubble, but see no reason to prevent SDing while aggressed.
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost 67	Posted - 2012.06.29 18:01:00 - [23] - Quote Gnaw LF wrote: Cybus Max wrote: It should be same as logoffski if your aggressed you can't SD for 15 mins and you can't SD in a POS ( or you can't SD in bubbles???) No, not it shouldn't. Self Destruct is there to prevent time griefing, where you get pointed, bubbled and re-aggressed to keep you there indefinitely. Thats the whole point of SD, if you get caught by assholes who are ok with idling for an hour or more while preventing you from playing the game. Everyone should have the ability to SD whenever the **** they want, except that a KM should be generated if the player was aggressed. CCP does not even have to make a lot of changes, just add Self Destruct as an involved party to the KM with the amount of damage that resulted from SDing. Simple. Yeah. It's the loss of records that drives me crazy; if someone wishes to scuttle their ship to deny the enemy assets, that's fine.
Bane Nucleus The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost 139	Posted - 2012.06.30 13:28:00 - [24] - Quote I couldn't give two *** about showing the fit of the SD'd ship. I just want the battle report to show it was there and that is was lost due to our aggression. Alliance Diplomat, Recruiter**
Malken The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost 45	Posted - 2012.06.30 14:15:00 - [25] - Quote just the fact that you are able to blow a ship up inside the shields of a pos is wrong. add KM when under agression timer and stop SD in pos shields. wanna blow your ship up then go out of shields and take it like a real man, in the face smiling. Gÿ+/ /Gûî / \
Klarion Sythis Bite Me inc Exhale. 21	Posted - 2012.06.30 14:32:00 - [26] - Quote Malken wrote: just the fact that you are able to blow a ship up inside the shields of a pos is wrong. add KM when under agression timer and stop SD in pos shields. wanna blow your ship up then go out of shields and take it like a real man, in the face smiling. I'm undecided on the SDing inside of shields part of the issue. If SDing can't happen, then invasions could become very profitable. This could push people into bigger alliances (or coalitions) with bigger fleets and exacerbate the escalation problem we've been seeing. Either there's relative peace or World War Wormhole. It might also drive people to fight rather than SDing their entire WH, but if they're already at that point, it would probably be a massacre rather than a fight.
Joran Jackson The Red Circle Inc. 25	Posted - 2012.06.30 14:54:00 - [27] - Quote Klarion Sythis wrote: Malken wrote: just the fact that you are able to blow a ship up inside the shields of a pos is wrong. add KM when under agression timer and stop SD in pos shields. wanna blow your ship up then go out of shields and take it like a real man, in the face smiling. I'm undecided on the SDing inside of shields part of the issue. If SDing can't happen, then invasions could become very profitable. This could push people into bigger alliances (or coalitions) with bigger fleets and exacerbate the escalation problem we've been seeing. Either there's relative peace or World War Wormhole. It might also drive people to fight rather than SDing their entire WH, but if they're already at that point, it would probably be a massacre rather than a fight. What's the worst that could happen? People come and get massacred instead of sitting in their POS throwing their isk into the sun. At least a fight happens. People come and try to alpha something in siege or triage before they are cleaned up. Or they come outside the POS and SD their capitals then which will generate killmails. I see only good things.
Cybus Max Bite Me inc Exhale. 5	Posted - 2012.06.30 16:40:00 - [28] - Quote Gnaw LF wrote: Cybus Max wrote: It should be same as logoffski if your aggressed you can't SD for 15 mins and you can't SD in a POS ( or you can't SD in bubbles???) No, not it shouldn't. Self Destruct is there to prevent time griefing, where you get pointed, bubbled and re-aggressed to keep you there indefinitely. Thats the whole point of SD, if you get caught by assholes who are ok with idling for an hour or more while preventing you from playing the game. Everyone should have the ability to SD whenever the **** they want, except that a KM should be generated if the player was aggressed. CCP does not even have to make a lot of changes, just add Self Destruct as an involved party to the KM with the amount of damage that resulted from SDing. Simple. this is a much better idea Gnaw as one thing i didn't consider, especially with no SD'ing in a POS it would make evicting small groups very profitable and would lead to a big depopulation in w-space or peopel being forced to merge into largers groups which will just make other issues in w-space alot worse
G0hme Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire 11	Posted - 2012.06.30 23:09:00 - [29] - Quote Its gonna be hard to find a common ground on SDing when and where. Does it seem reasonable that you can SD inside a POS without the POS taking damage from the explosion? No not really. And why are you able to initiate SD when the forcefield harmonics disallows you from doing anything else? (lock targets, change pos pw etc.) Argueing that evicting smaller corps would suddenly become profitable? Well move to C1-C4 as C5-C6 has no room for 5man farmer corps anyway, hence the ability to move around Capitals as you see fit. SDing while aggressed should produce a KM, no doubt about it. This should have been added yesteryear. I would also like to see scaling SD timers. Sub-BS 1min - BS 2min - Capitals 5min - Supers 10mins. Furthermore, SDing should kill your pod aswell, if your pod is tied to the overall stats and effects of your ship then the SD sequence should be aswell. Eject and the timer stops, go down with the ship and lose your pod. This could also be considered a compromise towards SDing inside a POS as you will lose 1 pod pr ship you SD. Shook Eelm's hand at Fanfest 2012
Messoroz AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse 256	Posted - 2012.07.01 04:01:00 - [30] - Quote If you guys in Exhale didn't blob every jew you saw with a 80 man blue fleet, maybe they wouldn't self destruct. Why should they bother wait as suffer as they are bored to death by your blob?

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