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Chainsaw Plankton
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Posted - 2010.02.20 06:23:00 -
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politics yay!
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Nebulous
Minmatar
Salvage Junkies
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Posted - 2010.02.20 06:28:00 -
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 Originally by: Alchemist's Alt
I agree with everything you said, but chances are you will get flamed to death now, shame really I did write a huge reply but yeah it screwed up eitherway I agree despite people saying freedom they are far from it, fortunately the ones who are aware on how things work get far.
At the end of the day that is all that matters, you can only try to educate people, they can either listen or keep making the same mistakes, luckily there are a lot of people about (although the minority) that have some humanity left and we will continue to fight the true fight against tyrany, rights violations and brainwashing.
People spend their lives in a bubble that the powers that be have put them in to, when someone comes along who is not stuck mentally in that bubble or try to bring other people out of that bubble, it causes a knee jerk reaction for them to lash out (thats the flaming you are seeing), it is a mixture of jealousy and denial.
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Nebulous
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.02.20 08:05:00 -
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Originally by: jason hill
we have roughly 40 million willing peeps that would heed the call .
Why would any sane person take up arms in support of a government that is persecuting its people and trying to re-write their constitutional rights? Are people blind to what the UK government are doing? Every new statute they bring out is yet another nail in the coffin of our rights, they actually defend themselves by implying that a normal statute can repeal a constitutional one.
The 'Metric Martyrs' judgment (sections 62 and 63):
"We should recognise a hierarchy of Acts of Parliament: as it were "ordinary" statutes and "constitutional statutes". The special status of constitutional statutes follows the special status of constitutional rights. Examples are the Magna Carta, Bill of Rights 1689, The Act of Union � Ordinary statutes may be impliedly repealed. Constitutional statutes may not".
Because people are slowly but surely waking up to these ****s of our rights, our government is attempting to re-write our constitutional rights, which to even attempt such a thing is "treason", so yes lets worry about a rock a few miles off the Argentinian coast.
lets all go defend the Falkland islands, in the meantime the people back home can continue to be fined, thrown in jail and have their stuff stolen from them because they committed a crime that is not actually a crime.
Those 40 million people would be better turning their attentions onto our government itself, demanding that they stop raping our rights to a fair trial, to recognise our individual soveriegnty and the return to the only true law of the land "common law".
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Heavens Gate Consortium
Dead Reckoning Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.20 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Nebulous
Originally by: Magnus Nordir
Yeah, you see this is where you're wrong. Just because you believe something and wish it were true doesn't make it so. You have to either back your assertion up with facts, or do something about it to make it true. Neither of which your kind seem to be too fond of doing. Please continue to delude yourself privately instead of spewing your mental diarrhoea on other people's debates.
I know the facts Magnus, thats what makes me different to you, you can only think within the boundaries of what you have been spoonfed, again I do not blame you for this, I just feel sorry for you.
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Erm, it's not quite enough to say you have facts, you actually have to tell us what they are, and explain why they back up your position. That's how debates work. This is little more than a flame-war.
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Vogue
Mercurialis Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.20 18:58:00 -
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The Argentinian economy is in bad shape. They have gone from one financial crisis to another. In the past few years it has improved a bit. The Argentinian politicians really crave a chance to get in on possible oil extraction around the Falkland isles and get some petrodollars.
As a partisan Brit the Argie's should get nowt.
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Rowdy Yates
Caldari
Redneck Rangers
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Posted - 2010.02.20 19:32:00 -
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The people of Argentina are evil and should be punished.
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Vogue
Mercurialis Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.20 20:27:00 -
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Lol. I have nothing against Argentinian individually. Argentinians are best spending their time on elimanating the high level of corruption than listening to their emo government rattle sabres about the Falkland Islands. They have a educated population and lots of natural resouces and could get themselves on a consistent path of growth like Brazil has.
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Nebulous
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.02.20 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Vogue
Argentinians are best spending their time on elimanating the high level of corruption
That is something they have in common with the UK then.
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Vogue
Mercurialis Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.20 21:07:00 -
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Edited by: Vogue on 20/02/2010 21:11:16
No. The UK is 17th on the corruption perception index where Argintina is 106th. The higher the position the less corruption.
Wikipedia: Corruption Perception Index
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Nebulous
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.02.20 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: Vogue
No. The UK is 17th on the corruption perception index where Argintina is 106th. The higher the less corruption.
Wikipedia: Corruption Perception Index
Hmm, problem is that A.) How do you define corruption, and B.) how do you measure that corruption.
For me the fact that our government (and the governments before them) in the UK are and have been slowly but surely crushing our constitutional rights, is corruption enough for me and it is a massive problem if it goes on much longer, they are turning our rights into revocable privileges.
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Stratio
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 21:31:00 -
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Half my ancestors were fighting the other half of my ancestors in WWI. We're better off cooperating than killing each other.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.02.20 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Nebulous
Originally by: Vogue
No. The UK is 17th on the corruption perception index where Argintina is 106th. The higher the less corruption.
Wikipedia: Corruption Perception Index
Hmm, problem is that A.) How do you define corruption, and B.) how do you measure that corruption.
Read the linked wiki page. It's explained there.
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For me the fact that our government (and the governments before them) in the UK are and have been slowly but surely crushing our constitutional rights, is corruption enough for me and it is a massive problem if it goes on much longer, they are turning our rights into revocable privileges.
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That's not corruption, it's just incompetence. I think they genuinely believe it's for the good of the country, without realising they're assembling the perfect system for someone with more malign motives to come along and abuse later. Remember: never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence.
For an example of corruption, look at the so-called "expenses scandal". But compare that to the country's economic woes, and it fades into insignificance.
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Nebulous
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.02.20 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly
That's not corruption, it's just incompetence. I think they genuinely believe it's for the good of the country, without realising they're assembling the perfect system for someone with more malign motives to come along and abuse later. Remember: never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence.
Well I'd say this is a difference of opinion, I believe they know what they are doing and that they also know it is wrong, the main reason it is corrupt is that they use tricks to get around the system to steal your money and stuff, ever wondered how they get to seize peoples cars when they have no insurance or license etc? It is because they are not actually taking "YOUR" car, they are merely taking back their own property, that is why they call you a registered keeper on the log book, so they keep ownership of the vehicle, that within itself is blatant trickery.
Registration of anything transfers superior ownership to the entity accepting the registration. Once an item has been registered, you are no longer the OWNER. (even though you have paid for it and/or are paying for it)
When you buy a car you enter into a contract (when you fill in the log book), the contract must by law offer full disclosure, this however does not happen, you are not made fully aware of their intentions by only being a registered keeper, that as far as i'm concerned is behaving in a corrupt manner, I refuse to believe that anyone who uses tricks to rob people of their rights, money and property are doing it with best intentions.
It is all very well thought out, incompetance is when someone leaves sensitive documents in the back of a taxi. (but thats a different story)
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Vogue
Mercurialis Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.20 22:32:00 -
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Its one thing to have many laws and statutes in a country. But to enforce them properly and correctly needs oversight, checks and balances. Otherwise corruption could ferment. Which needs a a judiciary independent from politicians, police, business and crime. And oversight bodies for the police, finance practice, real estate, etc.
There are many countries like Mexico and Greece where there is an entrenched rich class that considers it the norm to evade taxes and to develop preferential relationships with government officials. The rich continue to prosper but the poor and middle class are severly disadvantaged. Mostly because their is little or no independent oversight.
In the USA there is 'pork barrel' which is appropriation of government spending for localized projects where the politician seekin the money represents. Some see this in order with a politicians perrogative to best serve his\hers constituents. Others say this is corruption if it is not competetivly awarded.
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Posted - 2010.02.21 05:23:00 -
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Discussions on real life politics and religion are not allowed.
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