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Aevlar	Posted - 2010.02.19 22:24:00 - [1] High 8x Heavy Launchers with Scourge Precision Heavy Missiles Medium Heat Amp T2 Kinetic Amp T2 2x Mag Amp T2 2x Large Shield Extenders T2 Low 3x Shield Power Relay T2 Ballistic Control System T2 Rigs 2x Large Core Defence Field Purger T1 Large Bay Loading Accelerator T1 Well basically I have to beat that in a T1 frigate, not sure how im going to but ive basically got some decent support skills I can use neuts mwds and decent missile skills. Could get torpedoes within the time limit for our duel but not sure it would help, we will fight within 10 days so any help appreciated.
Tagami Wasp Caldari Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.02.19 22:32:00 - [2] Originally by: Aevlar High 8x Heavy Launchers with Scourge Precision Heavy Missiles Medium Heat Amp T2 Kinetic Amp T2 2x Mag Amp T2 2x Large Shield Extenders T2 Low 3x Shield Power Relay T2 Ballistic Control System T2 Rigs 2x Large Core Defence Field Purger T1 Large Bay Loading Accelerator T1 Well basically I have to beat that in a T1 frigate, not sure how im going to but ive basically got some decent support skills I can use neuts mwds and decent missile skills. Could get torpedoes within the time limit for our duel but not sure it would help, we will fight within 10 days so any help appreciated. WTB Drake with 8x HML. You don't win unless you get support. His drones+missiles will wear you down and you will not even make a dent to his shield. ------------ +15% to railguns' dmg modifier -reduce Spike optimal bonus to 70% +10% to Caldari railboats PG
Smabs	Posted - 2010.02.19 22:33:00 - [3] Um, sorry to say it but there isn't a t1 frigate that can break that tank. Even if it was just buffer tanked you still wouldn't be able to do it.
Aevlar	Posted - 2010.02.19 22:36:00 - [4] Originally by: Tagami Wasp Originally by: Aevlar High 8x Heavy Launchers with Scourge Precision Heavy Missiles Medium Heat Amp T2 Kinetic Amp T2 2x Mag Amp T2 2x Large Shield Extenders T2 Low 3x Shield Power Relay T2 Ballistic Control System T2 Rigs 2x Large Core Defence Field Purger T1 Large Bay Loading Accelerator T1 Well basically I have to beat that in a T1 frigate, not sure how im going to but ive basically got some decent support skills I can use neuts mwds and decent missile skills. Could get torpedoes within the time limit for our duel but not sure it would help, we will fight within 10 days so any help appreciated. WTB Drake with 8x HML. You don't win unless you get support. His drones+missiles will wear you down and you will not even make a dent to his shield. Sorry my fail 7 :p and he wont have any drones, just wondering if it can be done at all. =/
Tagami Wasp Caldari Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.02.19 23:19:00 - [5] No way. Unless you can get you hands on some GM weapons (can I haz them afterwards?). ------------ +15% to railguns' dmg modifier -reduce Spike optimal bonus to 70% +10% to Caldari railboats PG
Aevlar	Posted - 2010.02.19 23:26:00 - [6] Originally by: Tagami Wasp No way. Unless you can get you hands on some GM weapons (can I haz them afterwards?). Well ofcourse once im done blowing up the world they are urs.. lol but the question then is, what would be required to blow that ship up? Solo that is.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.02.20 00:35:00 - [7] Originally by: Aevlar Originally by: Tagami Wasp No way. Unless you can get you hands on some GM weapons (can I haz them afterwards?). Well ofcourse once im done blowing up the world they are urs.. lol but the question then is, what would be required to blow that ship up? Solo that is. For starters, you'll need >300dps. And a way to survive heavy missile bombardment long enough to chew through 57k hitpoints. Unfortunately, a cruiser will also be taking a lot of punishment from heavy launchers + dronebay - around 450dps. A frigate will be taking somewhere nearer 100 from the drones, So practically speaking, you're talking about a less crap Drake fit than that, or another BC. You might manage in a HAC.
nalcomis	Posted - 2010.02.20 02:01:00 - [8] well you have the advantage of knowing both what type of damage he's doing (kinetic) and what he's weakest to (explosive for both shield and armor). start from there, and then spend a billion isk fitting a t1 frigate with all faction mods :) since he's got such a huge advantage though, and if it's like a duel for isk or something, i'd tell him to shove his precision missiles and just use regular scourge missiles. is he going to warp out, forcing you to fit a scrambler?
nalcomis	Posted - 2010.02.20 02:11:00 - [9] also, this is an interesting challenge to me. you know he's not using drones. you know your cap is safe. what race are you flying? did you get drunk and make this bet with him?
Das Governator The Republican Party	Posted - 2010.02.20 02:36:00 - [10] Freaking hard to fit.... but a daredevil can have 59dps tank vs kinetic and take only 39.85 dps from the drakes missiles (your velocity has not been considered, so probably about 90% of that dmg actually). Also dishes out 352 DPS (both 3% dmg implants). However, the drakes tank is better against kin/therm than it is vs omni. At lvl 5 skills that drake setup has 481 dps tank, but is only stable for 19m 55s.... so if you have the ammo maybe you can break it. If you got the skills to make the tank, than you may as well buy a daredevil and try it out. Mag Stab II Mag Stab II Basic Mag Stab MAPC F-S9 Regolith Deflection Shield Induction F-S9 Regolith Deflection Shield Induction Medium Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I Light Neut II Light Neut II Small YF-12a SB Anti-kin reinforcer core defense field purger core defense field purger Everything is cheap except the daredevil. You could get two monopoly mag stab's, throw a burst aerator on, get 5% dmg implants and get 397 dps. If his skills are less than perfect you might be able to take him down. But it sounds like your skills aren't that awesome However, for a cheap and easy draw just get in this tristan: MAPC Mag Stab II Nano Medium F-S9 Extender Medium F-S9 Extender F-S9 Kin Hardener Electron Blaster Electron Blaster Small YF-12A SB Salvager I Small Core Defense Field Purger Small Core Defense Field Purger Small Anti-Kin Hardener You'll tank him all day, as will he you. IMO that's as good as defeat as it's frig vs. BC.
Amalinze Tehkat Out of Order Cult of War	Posted - 2010.02.20 03:05:00 - [11] Tbqfh, it can't be done in a frigate. That said, in non-duel land, he would never ever ever be able to catch any frigate at all. Get a malediction, orbit at 100 km and ask why it is he can't seem to beat you...stupid bet, imho. NONONO wait, best idea ever. Fit a Curse with EM drones, and load the highslots with 1 neut, and 4 assault launchers throwing defender missiles! Neut him down so his hardeners turn off, and use defenders to stop the incoming DPS. Without any need for TD's, you can fit a decent shield tank. ****, that might actually work. mighty lolfit for the win.
Aevlar	Posted - 2010.02.20 03:15:00 - [12] Originally by: nalcomis well you have the advantage of knowing both what type of damage he's doing (kinetic) and what he's weakest to (explosive for both shield and armor). start from there, and then spend a billion isk fitting a t1 frigate with all faction mods :) since he's got such a huge advantage though, and if it's like a duel for isk or something, i'd tell him to shove his precision missiles and just use regular scourge missiles. is he going to warp out, forcing you to fit a scrambler? Well actually its a friendly duel, me wanting to blow his battlecruiser to pieces mostly. And him being overconfident. Tho i shouldn't have said that i can do it in a T1 Frigate but meh, i would buy a daredevil but lack of money. Honestly i'd spend all the money i had on this to win but.. i only have 13 million and from the looks of it im not going to win. =/ Tho i will be back and i will find a cruiser fit to beat him or maybe a destroyer.. :p and hes not using the active hardeners hes using passive ones..
Kail Storm Caldari Dark Taboo	Posted - 2010.02.20 05:53:00 - [13] Just wait till you get a Torp raven to kill him...With his huge sig radius and lack of Nuet use a Active tanked BS like XL torp Raven or hell a Brohk [Blaster rohk] would be great....But almost every races BS is a drakes downfall but it can handle most any ships there are that are sub BS. Either a BS a T3 lol or a Prayer to a really good priest If you run, You`ll only die tired :)
Eldern Minderhost	Posted - 2010.02.20 07:42:00 - [14] "when the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support" bring some friends in hound stealth bombers to 'fill' that explosive hole of his.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.02.20 10:45:00 - [15] Originally by: Amalinze Tehkat Fit a Curse with EM drones, and load the highslots with 1 neut, and 4 assault launchers throwing defender missiles! Neut him down so his hardeners turn off, and use defenders to stop the incoming DPS. Without any need for TD's, you can fit a decent shield tank. ****, that might actually work. mighty lolfit for the win. What hardeners? Those are passive resists mods.
Hauling Hal	Posted - 2010.02.20 11:23:00 - [16] Edited by: Hauling Hal on 20/02/2010 11:23:32 I've used my caldari char's skills, as I don't know how good/bad your opponent is. His weakest resist is Explosive in both Shield and Armour and he has 43,800 effective Explosive HP. His passive regen at 100% shield is 284, which means that at 25% shield he will have a recharge of 710. i.e. Depending on his skills, you need more than 710 DPS to be able to break his tank. At all level 5, this becomes 900 DPS. He can fit a much better tank if he wanted to. 3 x LSE, 2 x Invuln, 1 x Mag Amp. Remember, Invulns give a bonus even when turned off, so you can cycle them if low on cap, but running 2 Invulns with 3 SPRs will last over an hour and one of you will be bored by then...
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.02.20 11:38:00 - [17] Originally by: Hauling Hal Edited by: Hauling Hal on 20/02/2010 11:23:32 I've used my caldari char's skills, as I don't know how good/bad your opponent is. His weakest resist is Explosive in both Shield and Armour and he has 43,800 effective Explosive HP. His passive regen at 100% shield is 284, which means that at 25% shield he will have a recharge of 710. i.e. Depending on his skills, you need more than 710 DPS to be able to break his tank. At all level 5, this becomes 900 DPS. He can fit a much better tank if he wanted to. 3 x LSE, 2 x Invuln, 1 x Mag Amp. Remember, Invulns give a bonus even when turned off, so you can cycle them if low on cap, but running 2 Invulns with 3 SPRs will last over an hour and one of you will be bored by then... I believe you misunderstand shield regen. There's actually almost no recharge at 99% shield. Take shield HP, divide by recharge time, and multiplying by 2.4 will give you the _peak_ regen, which is then multiplied out by resistances. That's exactly the calculation EFT performs when it's giving your shield tank numbers, so on this ship it's: 295 omni. 230 explosive, 361 kinetic, 271 thermal, 319 EM. Invulns are ok, but don't mix well with SPRs in a PvP context - their cap drain make you very sensitive to neutralizers. Actually, SPRs in a PvP context are just plain horrible anyway, and you should never use them.
VCBee 2fast2furious GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO	Posted - 2010.02.20 12:48:00 - [18] The only way to kill that drake (prety much any drake, really) in a T1 frigate would be to fit a cyno so you can drop a carrier on him. Otherwise.. heh, not a chance.
GankuVerymuch	Posted - 2010.02.21 03:51:00 - [19] I know it isn't T1 sorry, but this might get it done. Will take longer than 10 days though. The range on the torps with decent skills may outreach his missiles also [Manticore,jam and slam] 3x 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher (Caldari Navy Juggernaut Torpedo) Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Phased Monopropellant I Hydrazine Boosters BZ-5 Neutralizing Spatial Destabilizer ECM 2x Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
el Sabor	Posted - 2010.02.21 04:44:00 - [20] Get a sig tanking frigate with an active tank. Do the 1v1 at the safe spot. Scramble him and don't let him go until he surrenders.
Aevlar	Posted - 2010.02.21 08:56:00 - [21] Originally by: GankuVerymuch I know it isn't T1 sorry, but this might get it done. Will take longer than 10 days though. The range on the torps with decent skills may outreach his missiles also [Manticore,jam and slam] 3x 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher (Caldari Navy Juggernaut Torpedo) Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Phased Monopropellant I Hydrazine Boosters BZ-5 Neutralizing Spatial Destabilizer ECM 2x Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I Thats actually what im training for at the moment, ive given up on beating him in a T1 Frigate but i still feel the need to beat him, quite clearly i understand that unless i literally jump a capital ship on him.. i wont win i loled at that

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