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ShadowandLight
Amarr Hammer Of Light Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2010.02.20 13:36:00 -
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Apparently per one of my corp mates, he watched GM Incognito enter Z-R system and helped UK get a TCU to online and work.
AM had tried half a dozen times to get the same bug to fix it's self to no avail. As people already know, we also tried originally to get a new alliance to online TCU's as well, but I personally couldnt even get the TCU to START on-lining.
There was a few times i know of personally that AM had TCU's go through the timer 100% and then offline. If you are going to fix a bug, why fix it for the attacker and not the defender.
Oh wait, i know.... In D-G you kept the node alive so AAA/UK pilots who already loaded system could keep shooting the people who never loaded at all. Then we all died in a fire 2 hours after logging off. I see where this is going.
If Incognito was looking to troubleshoot the problem, fine. But at least 2 bugs prevented AM ( or the new alliance ) from even attempting to hold sov. Showing up and "giving" the sov / station to UK is biased at best. Oh, and btw.... ANSWER MY PETITIONS
Id like some answers please.
[13:24:45] haz bro > funny thing was the dev forced the tcu online [13:24:52] haz bro > and it glitched again [13:25:34] haz bro > then uk onlined it again after that timer passed the glitch was gone
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 13:43:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 20/02/2010 13:44:08
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/Z-RFE3
I'm sorry to point out the obvious, but this whole thing started because of your crazy decision to drop all your sov in the middle of a war. It was never going to end well.
Also, we fully captured the stations and the systems before the TCU offlining bug first appeared (it happened to us first, your initial sov drop was deliberate). It then happened to you ONCE in this system - it's there in black and white in Dotlan.
Don't try and play the devhax card, it just smacks of being a sore loser.
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Eddie Gordo
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 13:44:00 -
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Threads talking about specifics of petitions or naming individual GM's tend to get locked. Dont expect this thread to stay open.
Also, i'd imagine they looked at the Ushra'khan TCU as it was the only one currently anchored and onlining in the system. Infact tha one was onlined about 4 times by Ushra'khan before it stayed on. 3d- must be on about #6 by now.
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ShadowandLight
Amarr Hammer Of Light Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2010.02.20 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 20/02/2010 13:44:08
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/Z-RFE3
I'm sorry to point out the obvious, but this whole thing started because of your crazy decision to drop all your sov in the middle of a war. It was never going to end well.
Also, we fully captured the stations and the systems before the TCU offlining bug first appeared (it happened to us first, your initial sov drop was deliberate). It then happened to you ONCE in this system - it's there in black and white in Dotlan.
Don't try and play the devhax card, it just smacks of being a sore loser.
So its your position that when GM's fix an issue that helps you its fine. Yea i'd take that position too.
The fair thing would have been to give both sides 24-48 hours notice that the sov issue has been fixed and made the system neutral. Then the playing field would have been level and both sides given a chance to fight for it.
But no..... i expect this responce from an alliance / coalition that metagames. Now your metadeving... nice
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Tagami Wasp
Caldari Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 14:01:00 -
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Here, have my tin foil hat, it really works.
You made a bad decision. We walked in an took the system from you. Then held it for 3 days in a row. Your TCUs never onlined before they were destroyed. Both stations were captured. U'K TCUs onlined repeatedly, then dropped. A bug concerning retaining U'K sov in these two system was reported and then fixed. You then cry foul.
Let me parse it for you. You lost sov due to own choices. You clicked the disband button yourself. We never dropped sov on our own. Your problem was player's choice, our problem was code malfunction. Do you now understand the difference in the 2 cases? ------------
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Eddie Gordo
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: ShadowandLight
Oh wait, i know.... In D-G you kept the node alive so AAA/UK pilots who already loaded system could keep shooting the people who never loaded at all. Then we all died in a fire 2 hours after logging off. I see where this is going.
I didnt take that bit in fully when I read first time..
Are you seriously suggesting that GMs intervined and made it so UK/AAA could turkey shoot you? More to the point, are you accusing them of foul play and then expecting them to listen to anything you have to say??
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Fear Not
Caldari The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 14:03:00 -
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Aegis Militia trying to claim they originally lost sov because of this bug despite all the facts.
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Karazack
Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 14:05:00 -
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Even if it was true that you had trouble getting your TCUs to online (no way to really know I guess as failed attempts to click "online" on a TCU dont show in the logs the same way the random sov drops we experienced do, which are well documented) it would not have made a difference as our forces were in control of the systems in question well before the 8h online time would have elapsed and would undoubtedly have been able to dispatch of your onlining TCUs in time.
No offense, but this "tcu wouldnt online" claim of yours could be seen as a simple attempt to cover up the mess you got your alliance in in the first place by deliberately dropping sov during your little coup d'etat by riding piggyback on the actual bug that affected us first and foremost.
As for you saying you experienced the actually documented bug with the tcu dropping offline randomly as well, I can confirm that, you did, in Z-R, once.
The important point however is that you suffered from the bug after U'K had already experienced it in both systems 3D and Z-R and therefore you experiencing it also is irrelevant as if sov mechanics had worked properly the sov would have been locked to U'K already making it impossible to online your TCU in Z-R in the first place.
Imho U'K have won sov in 3D and Z-R fair and square at least two times, call me biased, but neutral observers might want to look at the sov logs in dotlan which document the sov drop U'K experienced and clearly show we experienced it first in both systems as well as killboard record which document killed TCUs as well as system dominance to a degree and draw their own conclusions.
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Vanderie
Amarr Ignatium. Aggressive Dissonance
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Posted - 2010.02.20 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: ShadowandLight
Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 20/02/2010 13:44:08
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/Z-RFE3
I'm sorry to point out the obvious, but this whole thing started because of your crazy decision to drop all your sov in the middle of a war. It was never going to end well.
Also, we fully captured the stations and the systems before the TCU offlining bug first appeared (it happened to us first, your initial sov drop was deliberate). It then happened to you ONCE in this system - it's there in black and white in Dotlan.
Don't try and play the devhax card, it just smacks of being a sore loser.
So its your position that when GM's fix an issue that helps you its fine. Yea i'd take that position too.
The fair thing would have been to give both sides 24-48 hours notice that the sov issue has been fixed and made the system neutral. Then the playing field would have been level and both sides given a chance to fight for it.
But no..... i expect this responce from an alliance / coalition that metagames. Now your metadeving... nice
I find it funny that you guys are complaining about this when you were the ones who didn't even understand that by dropping your corp from alliance you'd lose sov; I don't think you're the best judge of what a game mechanic is. As for 'metadeving'; really? I would bet every ISK I have that if the situations were reversed you'd be laughing at someone who said you were 'metadeving'; you dropped Sov via your own mistakes, U'K capitalized on it and then the bugs started happening.
You took advantage of it (not saying you necessarily knew what it was; I'd have taken advantage too) and killed the TCU and the system has been ping-ponging ever since. U'K had their TCU online prior to the bug happening, so unless I am very mistaken they should have their TCU online by right, and the GM/Dev was just helping to make it work like he should.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2010.02.20 14:10:00 -
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That is pretty funny, especially since UK lost sov over and over there since a couple days now due to that bug.
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 14:23:00 -
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Edited by: Borza Slavak on 20/02/2010 14:23:32 We should prob not use our new T2 BPOs for a while either guys. Don't want to make people suspicious.
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ShadowandLight
Amarr Hammer Of Light Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2010.02.20 14:23:00 -
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Edited by: ShadowandLight on 20/02/2010 14:24:26 As i stated before, we tried and tried and tried to get sov up in these systems using either a game mechanic CCP said would work ( at 1st ) , transfering sov to corp then to alliance
then we tried anchoring new TCU's with the new alliance but those wouldnt even start to online.
So in the grand scheme of things
AM owned sov, tried transferring it - fails tried anchoring new TCU's with new alliance - fails UK tries - fails Demios tries - fails UK tries x 2 - wins with the devs
Sov Log for Z-R
2010-02-19 23:31:03 today Ushra'Khan Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude 1 2010-02-19 02:01:18 2010-02-19 23:31:02 - - - 2010-02-19 01:07:48 2010-02-19 02:01:17 Ushra'Khan Universal Army 1 2010-02-18 08:02:55 2010-02-19 01:07:47 - - - 2010-02-18 07:02:52 2010-02-18 08:02:54 Aegis Militia Demio's Corporation 1 2010-02-17 22:14:36 2010-02-18 07:02:51 - - - 2010-02-17 21:45:03 2010-02-17 22:14:35 Ushra'Khan Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude 1 2010-02-15 18:14:40 2010-02-17 21:45:02 - - - 2010-02-14 07:51:43 2010-02-15 18:14:39 Aegis Militia Hammer Of Light 1 2009-12-01 13:44:53 2010-02-14 07:51:42 Aegis Militia Aegis Militia Holdings 1
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Myz Toyou
Minmatar APOCALYPSE LEGION
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Posted - 2010.02.20 14:24:00 -
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Maybe some more hours praying to your God would do the trick, he seems not please with your devoutness the last weeks.
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Skaarl
Caldari The BlackHand Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.02.20 14:25:00 -
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every UK person here is also intentionally failing to mention CCP's failure right at the outset, which led to the whole problem. CCP's failure to do the maintenece on downtime they always do, which led to the issues with eggs not building, outposts not upgrading, and alliances not forming is what created this problem. everything was in place for a smooth transition, when CCP screwed the pooch it suddenly turned into a scramble as the people who weren't supposed to be involved suddenly had to be found, phoned etc, which gave uk the extra several hours which they needed to figure out what was going on.
the failure here was on CCP's part, if the systems end up in UK's hands due to CCP's incompetence, and after the DG fight where they are still denying ANY involvement whatsoever (and yes ive had GM's tell me NOTHING was done in DG besides data collection, which directly contradicts CCP Atlas' own words,) you can see how it looks like CCP is fighting for them.
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Rinchi
Caldari Lead Invasion Team
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Posted - 2010.02.20 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: ShadowandLight Oh, and btw.... ANSWER MY PETITIONS
Id like some answers please.
Want to know something funny? GM Spiral is denying that you've even got a petition in. :p
GM favoritism, anyone?
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Lord Makk
Caldari Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 14:27:00 -
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U know what is even more funny? You crying crocodile tears when you have lost every fight up until now over the system.
I think we drew the final line with slaughtering your capfleet together with our allies. (again)
U mad ?
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Eumenides
Caldari Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 14:31:00 -
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I admit it...
I payed CCP for it ... i actually payed them for disbanding CVA in the firstplace but they than chickened out claiming it would just be too obvious.
ah you got me ... :(
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 14:36:00 -
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ShadowandLight, are you really this ignorant and delusional? I'm almost lost for words.
1) You can't 'transfer' sov from one alliance to another - you have to drop sov then reclaim it. This was your first mistake. You may have noticed if you right click on an online TCU there is no 'transfer ownership' option. 2) Our side had system control 20+ hours per day, your TCU's didn't online because we kept blowing them up. New alliance or old alliance, this would have made no difference. 3) Before the bug first appeared, we had full control of the stations and we claimed sov. At that point: it should have been 'game over' for your side, but then the bug started happening and spared you. 4) The bug only effected you AFTER it had affected UK.
You are whining about a bug which has prevented us keeping hold of Sov for 3 days. The bug has benefitted you by preventing us taking control 3 days ago. So trying to claim devhax when the bug favoured you (because we controlled the systems) just makes you look like a bad loser.
Also, read Karazack's response - it is everything your ranting is not: factual, well informed, and true.
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Shades Muritor
Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 14:38:00 -
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Confirming I am the dev in question.
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Freya Olaf
Amarr Nex Exercitus IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.20 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: ShadowandLight Edited by: ShadowandLight on 20/02/2010 14:24:26 As i stated before, we tried and tried and tried to get sov up in these systems using either a game mechanic CCP said would work ( at 1st ) , transfering sov to corp then to alliance
then we tried anchoring new TCU's with the new alliance but those wouldnt even start to online.
So in the grand scheme of things
AM owned sov, tried transferring it - fails tried anchoring new TCU's with new alliance - fails UK tries - fails Demios tries - fails UK tries x 2 - wins with the devs
Your complete lack of understanding the new sov mechanics is your problem, no one elses.
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KaiserSoze434
Minmatar Open University of Celestial Hardship
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Posted - 2010.02.20 14:49:00 -
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I am but a poor itinerant capsuleer who is not involved in alliance pewing, but I'd like to ask a few questions/make a point. Alliance wars are my football, and this is my super bowl. Comments not reflective of anything to do with my corp.
1. CVA and friends are repeatedly stating that this system is hideously broken and favors the attacker to such a huge degree that defense is impossible. From what I'm reading from CVA statements you guys were the initial aggressors. If the game is broken to help players to do what you started the whole conflict by doing there must be some other factor at play.
2. The OP here seems to be arguing that the linear nature of time in our universe is a bug that makes gameplay impossible. Someone has to be first to have a TCU fixed or even looked at by a GM. Its possible that they didn't have a code fix ready or staff available when you were having issues. Its possible that the GM decided to log in during whatever conflict was going on during his shift just to try some wild assed idea as a fix just to see if it worked. Its possible CCP told someone to get in there and do something around that time just to make a public show of it. Someone's s**t had to get looked at first and CCP can't retroactively fix every instance of a bug. Fixes happen at one point and move forward from there. Just because CCP can't find Doc Emmett browns magical delorean on EBAY and send marty back to fix it when the bug hit you too that isn't a dev exploit.
3. I've repeatedly heard charges that the incident in D-G where you guys got locked out was totally abused and unfair. Reading the history of CVA and -A- with your sov loss during the hack, -A-'s response, and your own comments about it I can see why -A-/UK would be very disinclined to show mercy during any future hack/bug situation, particularly when it affected all parties. And it did affect all parties as anyone choosing to try to reload the system was going to have problems.
4. You guys seem to have decided to immolate yourselves to prove a point. Why complain that it hurts? "Aghast the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." |
Skaarl
Caldari The BlackHand Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.02.20 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Makk U know what is even more funny? You crying crocodile tears when you have lost every fight up until now over the system.
I think we drew the final line with slaughtering your capfleet together with our allies. (again)
U mad ?
lol... keep tellin yourself that.....
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Adeptus mecanicus
Caldari The Flaming Sideburn's Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
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Posted - 2010.02.20 15:03:00 -
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well not all that GM's toutch becomes gold , even now after close to 2 years there is one pos cruise missile launcher stuck at a moon in lilmad system in derelik that is active and only reason it dont shoot at ya still is coz its out of ammo.
if you shoot it you cant kill it and if ya rep it you cant take it ......so yeah dont get your hopes up
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Amy Wang
Minmatar Failswarm
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Posted - 2010.02.20 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: KaiserSoze434
1. CVA and friends are repeatedly stating that this system is hideously broken and favors the attacker to such a huge degree that defense is impossible.
By "hideously broken" they probably mean they cant spam a gazillion of posses any more to defend their space but have to actually fight to defend it
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darkfuntime
Minmatar Fat J Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.02.20 15:13:00 -
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Man ccp really Screwed the Pooch with the last update to the game.Large Cap fleet ops suck,Sov is borked,and plausible deniability is in the eula.Lets all move to iceland.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Skaarl
Originally by: Lord Makk U know what is even more funny? You crying crocodile tears when you have lost every fight up until now over the system.
I think we drew the final line with slaughtering your capfleet together with our allies. (again)
U mad ?
lol... keep tellin yourself that.....
maybe you need to go look at a few killboards before posting again ;) ----------
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Manfred Sideous
Amarr H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.02.20 15:44:00 -
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Sandbox's often have a few rocks shards of glass and the occasional bug in them.
Jus sayin.
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Lord Makk
Caldari Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 15:58:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Makk on 20/02/2010 15:59:46
Originally by: Skaarl lol... keep tellin yourself that.....
Facts --> You
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Skaarl
Caldari The BlackHand Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.02.20 16:01:00 -
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Edited by: Skaarl on 20/02/2010 16:04:06
Originally by: Lord Makk
Originally by: Skaarl lol... keep tellin yourself that.....
Facts --> You
lol. keep tellin yourself that. i seem to remember you looing 3x the ships when in an even fight, loosing the tcu, and having to nap GC to come try and cover your butts...
but thats a win for you right?
in fact thats amazing... you KB doesnt even show a battle on the day that happened....
so let me edit this for ya:
lies => you
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dastommy79
Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.20 16:05:00 -
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We had CCP Atlas pull a favor for our Roleplaying brosefs
Former SmashKill Coaliton Leader please stop banning me
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