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ShadowandLight
Amarr
Hammer Of Light
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2010.02.20 13:36:00 -
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Apparently per one of my corp mates, he watched GM Incognito enter Z-R system and helped UK get a TCU to online and work.
AM had tried half a dozen times to get the same bug to fix it's self to no avail. As people already know, we also tried originally to get a new alliance to online TCU's as well, but I personally couldnt even get the TCU to START on-lining.
There was a few times i know of personally that AM had TCU's go through the timer 100% and then offline. If you are going to fix a bug, why fix it for the attacker and not the defender.
Oh wait, i know.... In D-G you kept the node alive so AAA/UK pilots who already loaded system could keep shooting the people who never loaded at all. Then we all died in a fire 2 hours after logging off. I see where this is going.
If Incognito was looking to troubleshoot the problem, fine. But at least 2 bugs prevented AM ( or the new alliance ) from even attempting to hold sov. Showing up and "giving" the sov / station to UK is biased at best. Oh, and btw.... ANSWER MY PETITIONS
Id like some answers please.
[13:24:45] haz bro > funny thing was the dev forced the tcu online
[13:24:52] haz bro > and it glitched again
[13:25:34] haz bro > then uk onlined it again after that timer passed the glitch was gone
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Butter Dog
Gallente
The Littlest Hobos
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 13:43:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 20/02/2010 13:44:08
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/Z-RFE3
I'm sorry to point out the obvious, but this whole thing started because of your crazy decision to drop all your sov in the middle of a war. It was never going to end well.
Also, we fully captured the stations and the systems before the TCU offlining bug first appeared (it happened to us first, your initial sov drop was deliberate). It then happened to you ONCE in this system - it's there in black and white in Dotlan.
Don't try and play the devhax card, it just smacks of being a sore loser.
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Eddie Gordo
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 13:44:00 -
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Threads talking about specifics of petitions or naming individual GM's tend to get locked. Dont expect this thread to stay open.
Also, i'd imagine they looked at the Ushra'khan TCU as it was the only one currently anchored and onlining in the system. Infact tha one was onlined about 4 times by Ushra'khan before it stayed on. 3d- must be on about #6 by now.
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ShadowandLight
Amarr
Hammer Of Light
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2010.02.20 13:53:00 -
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 Originally by: Butter Dog
Edited by: Butter Dog on 20/02/2010 13:44:08
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/Z-RFE3
I'm sorry to point out the obvious, but this whole thing started because of your crazy decision to drop all your sov in the middle of a war. It was never going to end well.
Also, we fully captured the stations and the systems before the TCU offlining bug first appeared (it happened to us first, your initial sov drop was deliberate). It then happened to you ONCE in this system - it's there in black and white in Dotlan.
Don't try and play the devhax card, it just smacks of being a sore loser.
So its your position that when GM's fix an issue that helps you its fine. Yea i'd take that position too.
The fair thing would have been to give both sides 24-48 hours notice that the sov issue has been fixed and made the system neutral. Then the playing field would have been level and both sides given a chance to fight for it.
But no..... i expect this responce from an alliance / coalition that metagames. Now your metadeving... nice
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Tagami Wasp
Caldari
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 14:01:00 -
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Here, have my tin foil hat, it really works.
You made a bad decision. We walked in an took the system from you. Then held it for 3 days in a row. Your TCUs never onlined before they were destroyed. Both stations were captured. U'K TCUs onlined repeatedly, then dropped. A bug concerning retaining U'K sov in these two system was reported and then fixed. You then cry foul.
Let me parse it for you. You lost sov due to own choices. You clicked the disband button yourself. We never dropped sov on our own. Your problem was player's choice, our problem was code malfunction. Do you now understand the difference in the 2 cases?
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Eddie Gordo
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: ShadowandLight
Oh wait, i know.... In D-G you kept the node alive so AAA/UK pilots who already loaded system could keep shooting the people who never loaded at all. Then we all died in a fire 2 hours after logging off. I see where this is going.
I didnt take that bit in fully when I read first time..
Are you seriously suggesting that GMs intervined and made it so UK/AAA could turkey shoot you? More to the point, are you accusing them of foul play and then expecting them to listen to anything you have to say??
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Fear Not
Caldari
The Littlest Hobos
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 14:03:00 -
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Aegis Militia trying to claim they originally lost sov because of this bug despite all the facts.
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Karazack
Minmatar
The Littlest Hobos
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 14:05:00 -
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Even if it was true that you had trouble getting your TCUs to online (no way to really know I guess as failed attempts to click "online" on a TCU dont show in the logs the same way the random sov drops we experienced do, which are well documented) it would not have made a difference as our forces were in control of the systems in question well before the 8h online time would have elapsed and would undoubtedly have been able to dispatch of your onlining TCUs in time.
No offense, but this "tcu wouldnt online" claim of yours could be seen as a simple attempt to cover up the mess you got your alliance in in the first place by deliberately dropping sov during your little coup d'etat by riding piggyback on the actual bug that affected us first and foremost.
As for you saying you experienced the actually documented bug with the tcu dropping offline randomly as well, I can confirm that, you did, in Z-R, once.
The important point however is that you suffered from the bug after U'K had already experienced it in both systems 3D and Z-R and therefore you experiencing it also is irrelevant as if sov mechanics had worked properly the sov would have been locked to U'K already making it impossible to online your TCU in Z-R in the first place.
Imho U'K have won sov in 3D and Z-R fair and square at least two times, call me biased, but neutral observers might want to look at the sov logs in dotlan which document the sov drop U'K experienced and clearly show we experienced it first in both systems as well as killboard record which document killed TCUs as well as system dominance to a degree and draw their own conclusions.
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Vanderie
Amarr
Ignatium.
Aggressive Dissonance
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Posted - 2010.02.20 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: ShadowandLight
Originally by: Butter Dog
Edited by: Butter Dog on 20/02/2010 13:44:08
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/Z-RFE3
I'm sorry to point out the obvious, but this whole thing started because of your crazy decision to drop all your sov in the middle of a war. It was never going to end well.
Also, we fully captured the stations and the systems before the TCU offlining bug first appeared (it happened to us first, your initial sov drop was deliberate). It then happened to you ONCE in this system - it's there in black and white in Dotlan.
Don't try and play the devhax card, it just smacks of being a sore loser.
So its your position that when GM's fix an issue that helps you its fine. Yea i'd take that position too.
The fair thing would have been to give both sides 24-48 hours notice that the sov issue has been fixed and made the system neutral. Then the playing field would have been level and both sides given a chance to fight for it.
But no..... i expect this responce from an alliance / coalition that metagames. Now your metadeving... nice
I find it funny that you guys are complaining about this when you were the ones who didn't even understand that by dropping your corp from alliance you'd lose sov; I don't think you're the best judge of what a game mechanic is. As for 'metadeving'; really? I would bet every ISK I have that if the situations were reversed you'd be laughing at someone who said you were 'metadeving'; you dropped Sov via your own mistakes, U'K capitalized on it and then the bugs started happening.
You took advantage of it (not saying you necessarily knew what it was; I'd have taken advantage too) and killed the TCU and the system has been ping-ponging ever since. U'K had their TCU online prior to the bug happening, so unless I am very mistaken they should have their TCU online by right, and the GM/Dev was just helping to make it work like he should.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2010.02.20 14:10:00 -
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That is pretty funny, especially since UK lost sov over and over there since a couple days now due to that bug.
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 14:23:00 -
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Edited by: Borza Slavak on 20/02/2010 14:23:32
We should prob not use our new T2 BPOs for a while either guys. Don't want to make people suspicious.
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ShadowandLight
Amarr
Hammer Of Light
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2010.02.20 14:23:00 -
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Edited by: ShadowandLight on 20/02/2010 14:24:26
As i stated before, we tried and tried and tried to get sov up in these systems using either a game mechanic CCP said would work ( at 1st ) , transfering sov to corp then to alliance
then we tried anchoring new TCU's with the new alliance but those wouldnt even start to online.
So in the grand scheme of things
AM owned sov, tried transferring it - fails
tried anchoring new TCU's with new alliance - fails
UK tries - fails
Demios tries - fails
UK tries x 2 - wins with the devs
Sov Log for Z-R
2010-02-19 23:31:03 today Ushra'Khan Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude 1
2010-02-19 02:01:18 2010-02-19 23:31:02 - - -
2010-02-19 01:07:48 2010-02-19 02:01:17 Ushra'Khan Universal Army 1
2010-02-18 08:02:55 2010-02-19 01:07:47 - - -
2010-02-18 07:02:52 2010-02-18 08:02:54 Aegis Militia Demio's Corporation 1
2010-02-17 22:14:36 2010-02-18 07:02:51 - - -
2010-02-17 21:45:03 2010-02-17 22:14:35 Ushra'Khan Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude 1
2010-02-15 18:14:40 2010-02-17 21:45:02 - - -
2010-02-14 07:51:43 2010-02-15 18:14:39 Aegis Militia Hammer Of Light 1
2009-12-01 13:44:53 2010-02-14 07:51:42 Aegis Militia Aegis Militia Holdings 1
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Myz Toyou
Minmatar
APOCALYPSE LEGION
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Posted - 2010.02.20 14:24:00 -
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Maybe some more hours praying to your God would do the trick, he seems not please with your devoutness the last weeks.
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Skaarl
Caldari
The BlackHand Order
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.02.20 14:25:00 -
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every UK person here is also intentionally failing to mention CCP's failure right at the outset, which led to the whole problem. CCP's failure to do the maintenece on downtime they always do, which led to the issues with eggs not building, outposts not upgrading, and alliances not forming is what created this problem. everything was in place for a smooth transition, when CCP screwed the pooch it suddenly turned into a scramble as the people who weren't supposed to be involved suddenly had to be found, phoned etc, which gave uk the extra several hours which they needed to figure out what was going on.
the failure here was on CCP's part, if the systems end up in UK's hands due to CCP's incompetence, and after the DG fight where they are still denying ANY involvement whatsoever (and yes ive had GM's tell me NOTHING was done in DG besides data collection, which directly contradicts CCP Atlas' own words,) you can see how it looks like CCP is fighting for them.
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Rinchi
Caldari
Lead Invasion Team
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Posted - 2010.02.20 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: ShadowandLight
Oh, and btw.... ANSWER MY PETITIONS
Id like some answers please.
Want to know something funny? GM Spiral is denying that you've even got a petition in. :p
GM favoritism, anyone?
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Lord Makk
Caldari
Trust Doesn't Rust
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 14:27:00 -
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U know what is even more funny? You crying crocodile tears when you have lost every fight up until now over the system.
I think we drew the final line with slaughtering your capfleet together with our allies. (again)
U mad ?
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Eumenides
Caldari
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 14:31:00 -
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I admit it...
I payed CCP for it ... i actually payed them for disbanding CVA in the firstplace but they than chickened out claiming it would just be too obvious.
ah you got me ... :(
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Butter Dog
Gallente
The Littlest Hobos
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 14:36:00 -
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ShadowandLight, are you really this ignorant and delusional? I'm almost lost for words.
1) You can't 'transfer' sov from one alliance to another - you have to drop sov then reclaim it. This was your first mistake. You may have noticed if you right click on an online TCU there is no 'transfer ownership' option.
2) Our side had system control 20+ hours per day, your TCU's didn't online because we kept blowing them up. New alliance or old alliance, this would have made no difference.
3) Before the bug first appeared, we had full control of the stations and we claimed sov. At that point: it should have been 'game over' for your side, but then the bug started happening and spared you.
4) The bug only effected you AFTER it had affected UK.
You are whining about a bug which has prevented us keeping hold of Sov for 3 days. The bug has benefitted you by preventing us taking control 3 days ago. So trying to claim devhax when the bug favoured you (because we controlled the systems) just makes you look like a bad loser.
Also, read Karazack's response - it is everything your ranting is not: factual, well informed, and true.
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Shades Muritor
Minmatar
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 14:38:00 -
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Confirming I am the dev in question.
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Freya Olaf
Amarr
Nex Exercitus
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.20 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: ShadowandLight
Edited by: ShadowandLight on 20/02/2010 14:24:26
As i stated before, we tried and tried and tried to get sov up in these systems using either a game mechanic CCP said would work ( at 1st ) , transfering sov to corp then to alliance
then we tried anchoring new TCU's with the new alliance but those wouldnt even start to online.
So in the grand scheme of things
AM owned sov, tried transferring it - fails
tried anchoring new TCU's with new alliance - fails
UK tries - fails
Demios tries - fails
UK tries x 2 - wins with the devs
Your complete lack of understanding the new sov mechanics is your problem, no one elses.
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KaiserSoze434
Minmatar
Open University of Celestial Hardship
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Posted - 2010.02.20 14:49:00 -
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I am but a poor itinerant capsuleer who is not involved in alliance pewing, but I'd like to ask a few questions/make a point. Alliance wars are my football, and this is my super bowl. Comments not reflective of anything to do with my corp.
1. CVA and friends are repeatedly stating that this system is hideously broken and favors the attacker to such a huge degree that defense is impossible. From what I'm reading from CVA statements you guys were the initial aggressors. If the game is broken to help players to do what you started the whole conflict by doing there must be some other factor at play.
2. The OP here seems to be arguing that the linear nature of time in our universe is a bug that makes gameplay impossible. Someone has to be first to have a TCU fixed or even looked at by a GM. Its possible that they didn't have a code fix ready or staff available when you were having issues. Its possible that the GM decided to log in during whatever conflict was going on during his shift just to try some wild assed idea as a fix just to see if it worked. Its possible CCP told someone to get in there and do something around that time just to make a public show of it. Someone's s**t had to get looked at first and CCP can't retroactively fix every instance of a bug. Fixes happen at one point and move forward from there. Just because CCP can't find Doc Emmett browns magical delorean on EBAY and send marty back to fix it when the bug hit you too that isn't a dev exploit.
3. I've repeatedly heard charges that the incident in D-G where you guys got locked out was totally abused and unfair. Reading the history of CVA and -A- with your sov loss during the hack, -A-'s response, and your own comments about it I can see why -A-/UK would be very disinclined to show mercy during any future hack/bug situation, particularly when it affected all parties. And it did affect all parties as anyone choosing to try to reload the system was going to have problems.
4. You guys seem to have decided to immolate yourselves to prove a point. Why complain that it hurts?
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Skaarl
Caldari
The BlackHand Order
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.02.20 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Makk
U know what is even more funny? You crying crocodile tears when you have lost every fight up until now over the system.
I think we drew the final line with slaughtering your capfleet together with our allies. (again)
U mad ?
lol... keep tellin yourself that.....
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Adeptus mecanicus
Caldari
The Flaming Sideburn's
Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
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Posted - 2010.02.20 15:03:00 -
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well not all that GM's toutch becomes gold , even now after close to 2 years there is one pos cruise missile launcher stuck at a moon in lilmad system in derelik that is active and only reason it dont shoot at ya still is coz its out of ammo.
if you shoot it you cant kill it and if ya rep it you cant take it ......so yeah dont get your hopes up
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Amy Wang
Minmatar
Failswarm
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Posted - 2010.02.20 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: KaiserSoze434
1. CVA and friends are repeatedly stating that this system is hideously broken and favors the attacker to such a huge degree that defense is impossible.
By "hideously broken" they probably mean they cant spam a gazillion of posses any more to defend their space but have to actually fight to defend it
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darkfuntime
Minmatar
Fat J
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.02.20 15:13:00 -
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Man ccp really Screwed the Pooch with the last update to the game.Large Cap fleet ops suck,Sov is borked,and plausible deniability is in the eula.Lets all move to iceland.
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Butter Dog
Gallente
The Littlest Hobos
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Skaarl
Originally by: Lord Makk
U know what is even more funny? You crying crocodile tears when you have lost every fight up until now over the system.
I think we drew the final line with slaughtering your capfleet together with our allies. (again)
U mad ?
lol... keep tellin yourself that.....
maybe you need to go look at a few killboards before posting again ;)
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Manfred Sideous
Amarr
H A V O C
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.02.20 15:44:00 -
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Sandbox's often have a few rocks shards of glass and the occasional bug in them.
Jus sayin.
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Lord Makk
Caldari
Trust Doesn't Rust
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 15:58:00 -
[28]
Edited by: Lord Makk on 20/02/2010 15:59:46
Originally by: Skaarl
lol... keep tellin yourself that.....
Facts --> You
Nuff said... /me awaits moderator death
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Skaarl
Caldari
The BlackHand Order
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.02.20 16:01:00 -
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Edited by: Skaarl on 20/02/2010 16:04:06
Originally by: Lord Makk
Originally by: Skaarl
lol... keep tellin yourself that.....
Facts --> You
lol. keep tellin yourself that. i seem to remember you looing 3x the ships when in an even fight, loosing the tcu, and having to nap GC to come try and cover your butts...
but thats a win for you right?
in fact thats amazing... you KB doesnt even show a battle on the day that happened....
so let me edit this for ya:
lies => you
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dastommy79
Caldari
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.20 16:05:00 -
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We had CCP Atlas pull a favor for our Roleplaying brosefs
Former SmashKill Coaliton Leader
please stop banning me
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr
The Littlest Hobos
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Skaarl
Edited by: Skaarl on 20/02/2010 16:04:06
Originally by: Lord Makk
Originally by: Skaarl
lol... keep tellin yourself that.....
Facts --> You
lol. keep tellin yourself that. i seem to remember you looing 3x the ships when in an even fight, loosing the tcu, and having to nap GC to come try and cover your butts...
but thats a win for you right?
in fact thats amazing... you KB doesnt even show a battle on the day that happened....
so let me edit this for ya:
lies => you
confirming we lost abut 54 ships and pods killing 300+
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Lord Makk
Caldari
Trust Doesn't Rust
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 16:19:00 -
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Skaarl, if we are so horrible, why do we hold sov in Z-R and are now attempting to online 3D?
Stop posting, go back to be a nice pet in a barge of some sort.
That is all.
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Tobias Sjodin
Caldari
Ore Mongers
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.02.20 16:22:00 -
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Whenever you win, you are awesome.
Everytime you lose, it's something wrong with the game.
Surely this all makes sense. It's projecting 101.
I am laughing at the demise of Hammer of "Light".
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Skaarl
Caldari
The BlackHand Order
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.02.20 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: Skaarl on 20/02/2010 16:34:59
Originally by: Lord Makk
Skaarl, if we are so horrible, why do we hold sov in Z-R and are now attempting to online 3D?
Stop posting, go back to be a nice pet in a barge of some sort.
That is all.
touch a nerve there did i? and to answer a) gm handed it to you, and b) gm will hand it to you again?
and a -a- pet calling anyone else a pet is just funny.
edit: oh and i never called you horrible. those are your words. i just pointed out your claim to have won every fight in the am pocket was false.
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Lord Makk
Caldari
Trust Doesn't Rust
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 16:48:00 -
[35]
The whole u is false.
You call us pets because you think we are.
We call you pets because CVA say you are my little "holder" :)
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 16:49:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Skaarl
touch a nerve there did i? and to answer a) gm handed it to you, and b) gm will hand it to you again?
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Iwannah Spankjoo
Amarr
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 16:55:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Skaarl
in fact thats amazing... you KB doesnt even show a battle on the day that happened....
so let me edit this for ya:
lies => you
Probably this:
Battle on 16-17th
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Forlorn Wongraven
Caldari
Universal Army
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 17:12:00 -
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I was in Z-R when CCP Incognito (hinthint) was looking into the problem. Timeline was:
1. UK had a TCU onlining which was about to finish.
2. CCP Incognito: "Hi, i gonna watch."
3. TCU onlined. We predicted two times, on the second time guess sov dropped.
4. CCP Incognito: "Didn't see anything wrong, online it again please."
5. We started onlining.
6. CCP Incognito switched TCU to online without 8h delay.
7. CCP Incognito: "We wait now for an hour and see if it fails again, development log online now."
8. We waited til TCU failed again within the usual 1 hour waiting period. TCU failed at predicted time.
9. CCP Incognito: "Ok, thanks - we found something! Thanks again!"
10. CCP Incognito is not talking anymore on local - probably gone.
11. We start the TCU again.
12. GM talk to us over 11 original petitions to make that only one for the alliance.
13. GM told the facts to us - (can't post cause it will lock the thread, but you AM guys should have the same).
14. Our TCU went online after 8 hours in Z-R. Sov claimed and stayed. So you had all the time in the world to kill it (like the previous claiming attempts). TCU failed in 3D in the meanwhile twice now.
15. Fights about stations!
16. AM tears.
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Ontaku Oroa
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 17:39:00 -
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I shall, indeed, need a larger cup to gather all the tears, because my current one is overflowing.
In fact I may as well get a barrel.
Here's a little tip - if you want to trim&slim your alliance of freeloaders and spies, changing a name won't do the trick.
Oh, and here's another one - when you are in the middle of a war in an entrenched position, jumping out of your foxhole in order to proudly wave your new shiny flag is generally considered a bad idea by connoiseurs of staying in one piece.
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zoolkhan
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 17:41:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Borza Slavak
Edited by: Borza Slavak on 20/02/2010 14:23:32
We should prob not use our new T2 BPOs for a while either guys. Don't want to make people suspicious.
can you please forum ***** less, and get back to your codewriting?
people are waiting for dust. And you know how the boss is with deadlines and such....
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Xennith
Caldari
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 17:41:00 -
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Confirming that the reason that our TCUs offlined after we gained sov in 3D and ZR whilst owning both stations is because CCP are on our side and are manipulating the game to let us win. They then generously offlined our TCUs for long enough for provi to recapture the stations because they love us so much. |
Hellfury Resurrected
Caldari
Incura
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Posted - 2010.02.20 18:28:00 -
[42]
Originally by: ShadowandLight
AM owned sov, tried transferring it
lolwut? I found your problem.
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Tizian Enel
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 18:46:00 -
[43]
Edited by: Tizian Enel on 20/02/2010 18:53:48
Edited by: Tizian Enel on 20/02/2010 18:50:16
I'll add a bit to the timeline:
-3. AM Dude: "I know the TCU bugs already, it's easy to see"
-2. CCP Incognito: "How do you see it?"
-1. AM Dude: "That TCU doesn't get a square around it when I click"
0. Everyone else in system: "Does for us."
The tone at this part of conversation on the part of some (not all!) of the AM guys in local was that of malicious pleasure. Or so it seemed to me, my perception may well be skewed by watching the TCUs offline so many times... I was a bit frustrated. Once it became clear the CCP guy would not care about demands (he didn't care who held sov, he was there to fix the bug) of returning sov to AM the favouritism accusations started.
That Retribution Incarnate couldn't online TCUs may be a bug indeed, but even if they could have there would still have been an 8 hour time period.
The way I've understood this situation -- that 8 hour period is where U'K+AAA attacked anyway. Maybe the 4 systems now holding AM sov would have had RI sov, but is that much better situation?
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Butter Dog
Gallente
The Littlest Hobos
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 19:02:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Iwannah Spankjoo
Originally by: Skaarl
in fact thats amazing... you KB doesnt even show a battle on the day that happened....
so let me edit this for ya:
lies => you
Probably this:
Battle on 16-17th
you've made him go quiet now 
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bjtardiff
Caldari
Aurelius Federation
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.02.20 20:05:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Forlorn Wongraven
I was in Z-R when CCP Incognito (hinthint) was looking into the problem. Timeline was:
1. UK had a TCU onlining which was about to finish.
2. CCP Incognito: "Hi, i gonna watch."
3. TCU onlined. We predicted two times, on the second time guess sov dropped.
4. CCP Incognito: "Didn't see anything wrong, online it again please."
5. We started onlining.
6. CCP Incognito switched TCU to online without 8h delay.
7. CCP Incognito: "We wait now for an hour and see if it fails again, development log online now."
8. We waited til TCU failed again within the usual 1 hour waiting period. TCU failed at predicted time.
9. CCP Incognito: "Ok, thanks - we found something! Thanks again!"
10. CCP Incognito is not talking anymore on local - probably gone.
11. We start the TCU again.
12. GM talk to us over 11 original petitions to make that only one for the alliance.
13. GM told the facts to us - (can't post cause it will lock the thread, but you AM guys should have the same).
14. Our TCU went online after 8 hours in Z-R. Sov claimed and stayed. So you had all the time in the world to kill it (like the previous claiming attempts). TCU failed in 3D in the meanwhile twice now.
15. Fights about stations!
16. AM tears.
Thi is how i see it
A GM had u online a TCU and found what caused the problem and then i assume they fixed it. CCP then did not announce publicly to anyone in eve that it was fixed thus giving UK a clear advantage since their was no guarentee that AM had anyone on who had acess to a petition. If they had publicly told the whole eve community then this could have gone in a completly different path. Though I do agree that they didn't take it down you admit you guys talked to a GM in local who worked with you to solve the problem. He informed you that they found out what was wrong and as a result of this You knew they would fix it.
Now can you see how you had an advantage?
CCP should have publicly announced the problem, then the fix was coming , and then unanchor any TCUs onling and let the battle begin after the next downtime with a fresh start.
See You on the battlefield
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Xennith
Caldari
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 20:34:00 -
[46]
Originally by: bjtardiff
Now can you see how you had an advantage?
Is it because we'd just onlined a TCU, captured the station, had the system locked down and had just kicked the hell out of an enemy fleet?
UK captured those systems 3 days ago, stations belonged to us, sov belonged to us. That should have been game over, but our sov claim was revoked by a bug. Im not sure how anyone can now be claiming that we had an unfair advantage because one of the systems we fought for and won now belongs to us, after we onlined the TCU (for the 5th time?).
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Tagami Wasp
Caldari
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 20:50:00 -
[47]
Originally by: bjtardiff
blah....blah....
Now can you see how you had an advantage
blah...blah...
See You on the battlefield
Battlefield happened. You lost.
Deal with it and stop crying.
Or better yet, keep crying, your tears are so sweet.
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Nagapito
Gallente
The Littlest Hobos
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 21:13:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Nagapito on 20/02/2010 21:13:18
Originally by: bjtardiff
...boring stuff...
Now can you see how you had an advantage?
CCP should have publicly announced the problem, then the fix was coming , and then unanchor any TCUs onling and let the battle begin after the next downtime with a fresh start.
Its simple. CCP GM/Dev jumps on local to try to fix the problem. He discovers the problem and fixes it. He left and said nothing about it. Advantage for us is only given by AM, who didnt had a presence on the system on the last 3 days, didnt fight for it on the last 3 days and, to me, seems they gave up.
They can say that there was no reason to try claim sov while system is bugged. Well, he say we keep trying until it works.
Now, just because we spent the last 3 days defending the system, trying to get over sov bug and when its fixed we were in a better state to claim sov, its not fair that we had sov!?!?
What would you do? Declare a truce for one day and after DT, a race for the system, so it would be fair!?
They want the system, come and fight for it, in EVE, not on CAOD!!!
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Lykouleon
Gallente
Trust Doesn't Rust
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 22:11:00 -
[49]
My my my, someones upset their little plan didn't go over well...
I don't know whats sweeter, the carebear tears, or that i predicted all this last year
Quote:
CCP Mindstar > Sorry - I've completely messed all that up. lets try again
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Forlorn Wongraven
Caldari
Universal Army
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 22:36:00 -
[50]
Just another timeline so you get it right.
1. Coup to stomp old AM CEO (as per ISD news)
2. Sov dropped
3. Newly created alliance couldn't accept TCU owners from AM (hint: game mechanics clearly not understand -> 24h waiting period)
4. TCU owners petition claiming they can't online (no wonder due to game mechanics)
5. We see sov drop and gather forces.
6. TCU from old AM starting onlining again.
7. PEWPEW
8. UK destroyes TCU in Z-R and 3D.
9. UK anchores TCU. (more PEWPEW incl. station)
10. UK TCU goes online.
11. Now the server bug appears. UK TCUs go offline.
12. PEWPEW
13. UK TCU gets destroyed.
14. AM onlines TCU - failed to keep sov due to same bug.
15. UK destroyes AM TCU - we hold Z-R and 3D since than and keep onlining our TCUs.
16. More PEWPEW.
17. More PEWPEW.
18. CCP (software guys) find error and try to fix.
19. GM relays info to UK AND AM.
20. UK keeps on onlining and AM is in coma.
21. UK claims sov and can hold it due to fix. 3D fix did not work.
22. Provibloc tries to stop UK in Z-R and failed (plenty CAP losses - must be lag of course)
23. UK secured Z-R completely now.
24. 3D still buggy.
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Conlin
Gallente
Mad Bombers
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 22:55:00 -
[51]
*sighs.
Just give em 3D back eh !!
Wel,l only go and take it again ,and get a damn good fight outta it .Thats all l,m in it for , just dont tell CCP eh , coz l,m already bribing them over the odds .
Provi doesn't metagame ??!! 
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Akov Stohs
Caldari
Destructive Influence
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.22 07:28:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Borza Slavak
Edited by: Borza Slavak on 20/02/2010 14:23:32
We should prob not use our new T2 BPOs for a while either guys. Don't want to make people suspicious.
Need to research them anyways...when devs give you bpos they always forget to pre-research them. >.>
not that I would know <.<
Just making assumptions !
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Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.22 09:23:00 -
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If you think a GM intentionally or unfairly "gave" Ushra'Khan Z-R then you're an idiot, and preferably should stop posting.
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Xyla Vulchanus
Amarr
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.22 11:48:00 -
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http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Ushra'Khan/changes
Shadowandlight, the whole of Provi now knows that you're maybe not the brightest spark for simultaneously losing sov in 6 systems due to not understanding the game mechanics, but you're now showing yourself to be disingenuous, which is a shame.
You know that it is U'K who has suffered from this bug, the only reason AM have onlined any TCUs is because U'K sov has bugged and dropped (a total of 9 times by my reckoning). You ask CCP to favour the defender not the attacker, well, remember that U'K were technically the defender as we held the system and the station when the bug first hit.
I know that you are trying to shift the blame for your negligible mistake but even you can't believe your own words here.
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Durkuh Durka
Minmatar
DEEzNUTS-DzN
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.02.22 13:16:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Durkuh Durka on 22/02/2010 13:23:27
Originally by: Butter Dog
Edited by: Butter Dog on 20/02/2010 13:51:24
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/Z-RFE3
I'm sorry to point out the obvious, but this whole thing started because of your crazy decision to drop all your sov in the middle of a war. It was never going to end well.
Also, we fully captured the stations and the systems before the TCU offlining bug first appeared (it happened to us first, your initial sov drop was deliberate). It then happened to you ONCE in this system - it's there in black and white in Dotlan.
Don't try and play the devhax card, it just smacks of being a sore loser.
Seems U'K is full of those sore losers you speak of:
Originally by: Lord Makk
U know what is even more funny? You crying crocodile tears when you have lost every fight up until now over the system.
I think we drew the final line with slaughtering your capfleet together with our allies. (again)
U mad ?
Originally by: Lord Makk
Edited by: Lord Makk on 09/02/2010 15:39:25
Originally by: Sollana
well done uk on letting -A- do the work for you.
Well done on not having the back bone to attempt this yourself
Well done on using a failed game mechanic to make your selves look good.
Well done on becoming locked down in your stations, and quote " we have bigger friends", I say make that call your gonna need them.
I have respect for -a- they would have fought cva and probably won, you just hide behind them and take all the credit... enjoy 9uy while you can.
Your bitter tears feed my soul man.
Keep em flowing.
And should you ever manage to recover our system, don't expect our tears, we have more class than whats being shown here by some of our opponents.
Originally by: Lord Makk
Epic.
After 30 minutes of holding sov, both systems drop sov out of nowhere. (yes we paid kthxbai, U mad?)
Thank you CCP, either you fail really hard or you have mains in Providence.
Makk - Keeping it classy.
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Originally by: Xyla Vulchanus
Originally by: StainLessStealRat
Edited by: StainLessStealRat on 17/02/2010 23:09:59
Originally by: Forlorn Wongraven
Edited by: Forlorn Wongraven on 17/02/2010 20:24:39
Accepting contracts from CVA pets for 40% market value again in 3D and Z-R. You guys make me broke. 
*SNIP*
CCP really should offer an explanation here because after all the bugs and rollbacks and POS's shooting friendlies etc, it's starting to appear suspicious.
Originally by: Tagami Wasp
WTB CCP dev for our alliance as well. Oh wait, then CVA and pets won't have any advantage at all.
CCP fail.
Originally by: Pantorus Necraliss
Quote:
CCP really should offer an explanation here because after all the bugs and rollbacks and POS's shooting friendlies etc, it's starting to appear suspicious.
It's sad, but that more and more my point of view !
CCP have all proof and don't want to fix this "bug" (if it is one and not someone playing to god), did they indirectly help Provi holders 
CCP have to explain and have to be convincing
Originally by: Butter Dog
Anyone from UK who thinks this is a tinfoil conspiracy needs to STFU and stop posting (preferably forever).
CCP have an established position of not getting involved with sov bugs - the only thing you can do is hope it was identified and fixed, because it's a pretty serious bug and could in theory affect anyone.
From our side, we have all the logs to prove nothing we did was incorrect, so I'm afraid I can't shed any light on why it happened. Anyway, it's an annoying delay but it is only a delay - nothing more.
Now, to YOUR credit, you told your people to STFU about CCP taking sides. I just thought it was interesting so many U'K members went on a public pity part... |
Tagami Wasp
Caldari
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.22 13:25:00 -
[56]
Edited by: Tagami Wasp on 22/02/2010 13:25:45
Originally by: Tagami Wasp
Originally by: Suitonia
Originally by: Tagami Wasp
WTB CCP dev for our alliance as well. Oh wait, then CVA and pets won't have any advantage at all.
CCP fail.
Lag happens and effects both sides, some more than others (Check D-G). Claiming that CVA and their allies get intentional developer favors just makes you look stupid. CCP is obviously at fault here, and hopefully they'll improve their game and their servers, if you have logs then escalating them to a senior GM would be the best option.
Posting to confirm that I wear a tin foil hat.  
I admit that claiming that CVA has a dev on call is going too far, but it's really annoying for our alliance to be hit hard by sov mechanics twice in Providence (read U'K history, kthxby).
If the bug did not happen for AM as well, then it would be really suspicious. Now, the only statement that remains true is that CCP failed in this occasion as far as sov mechanics are concerned.
Oh, and of course AM still fail for dropping sov on their own.
btw, we luv our BD.
Read the whole thread, don't quote out of context and get a cookie.
Now try to spin it the other way, it might work.
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Durkuh Durka
Minmatar
DEEzNUTS-DzN
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.02.22 13:36:00 -
[57]
Edited by: Durkuh Durka on 22/02/2010 13:45:50
Originally by: Tagami Wasp
Edited by: Tagami Wasp on 22/02/2010 13:25:45
Originally by: Tagami Wasp
Originally by: Suitonia
Originally by: Tagami Wasp
WTB CCP dev for our alliance as well. Oh wait, then CVA and pets won't have any advantage at all.
CCP fail.
Lag happens and effects both sides, some more than others (Check D-G). Claiming that CVA and their allies get intentional developer favors just makes you look stupid. CCP is obviously at fault here, and hopefully they'll improve their game and their servers, if you have logs then escalating them to a senior GM would be the best option.
Posting to confirm that I wear a tin foil hat.
I admit that claiming that CVA has a dev on call is going too far, but it's really annoying for our alliance to be hit hard by sov mechanics twice in Providence (read U'K history, kthxby).
If the bug did not happen for AM as well, then it would be really suspicious. Now, the only statement that remains true is that CCP failed in this occasion as far as sov mechanics are concerned.
Oh, and of course AM still fail for dropping sov on their own.
btw, we luv our BD.
Read the whole thread, don't quote out of context and get a cookie.
Now try to spin it the other way, it might work.
Everyone has been ****ing and moaning about something that is unlikely ans stupid. Sure you corrected yourself after being called on it but that doesn't change the fact you did look pretty stupid syaing CCP favored Provi in the first place.
As I said, this is largely the fault of CCP. I'm just a grunt, so I won't claim to know what happened in the attempted transfer of sov. I wasn't involved in it and neither were most here. I do know CCP had some pretty good fail and admitted jobs didn't run during a downtime. Who knows what happened.
What amuses me is the childishness in the last couple of threads. I know CAOD is a sewer but WOW has it been outdoing itself lately.
To be fair, the whining is rife on both sides. Makk's post is the one that originally had me laughing and prompted my reply. You guys cry as much as anyone, despite protestations to the contrary.
Oh, I see you edited some stuff in:
Originally by: Tagami Wasp
Knowing when you are wrong and admitting it requires balls. Go grow some.
Also, I suggest you try and teach the other pets to not crap on the carpet, chew the furniture and **** on CVA's couch. In other words, learn the game mechanics, and bring more fights. So far, you have just curled into a ball and just let us kick you in the head.
Typical bullies, when you were 4:1 you were brave and strutting around, now that there is a wedge down your failblob, you cower and hide.
Your histrionics are amusing, perhaps it is you that needs a pair? I enjoy a challenge, which means I have to accept that I will sometimes lose. I'm having a good time, so I guess I win at Eve. :-)
I've been ganked by U'K with unfavorable odds and I've been in gangs that took U'K ships in unfavorable odds. Oddly enough, having numerical superiority is often a winning tactic. I only shoot people who are red to me, though. You calling me a bully is... humorous.
I won't be showing anyone anything. As I said, I'm a grunt.
u mad?
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.22 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Akov Stohs
Originally by: Borza Slavak
Edited by: Borza Slavak on 20/02/2010 14:23:32
We should prob not use our new T2 BPOs for a while either guys. Don't want to make people suspicious.
Need to research them anyways...when devs give you bpos they always forget to pre-research them. >.>
not that I would know <.<
Just making assumptions !
... goddamnit what's the point of having a pet dev if they're so incompetent? First he fails to hax us both systems and now this!
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Tagami Wasp
Caldari
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.22 13:57:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Durkuh Durka
....quote tunnel...
Everyone has been ****ing and moaning about something that is unlikely ans stupid. Sure you corrected yourself after being called on it but that doesn't change the fact you did look pretty stupid syaing CCP favored Provi in the first place.
As I said, this is largely the fault of CCP. I'm just a grunt, so I won't claim to know what happened in the attempted transfer of sov. I wasn't involved in it and neither were most here. I do know CCP had some pretty good fail and admitted jobs didn't run during a downtime. Who knows what happened.
What amuses me is the childishness in the last couple of threads. I know CAOD is a sewer but WOW has it been outdoing itself lately.
To be fair, the whining is rife on both sides. Makk's post is the one that originally had me laughing and prompted my reply. You guys cry as much as anyone, despite protestations to the contrary.
Your histrionics are amusing, perhaps it is you that needs a pair? I enjoy a challenge, which means I have to accept that I will sometimes lose. I'm having a good time, so I guess I win at Eve. :-)
I've been ganked by U'K with unfavorable odds and I've been in gangs that took U'K ships in unfavorable odds. Oddly enough, having numerical superiority is often a winning tactic. I only shoot people who are red to me, though. You calling me a bully is... humorous.
I won't be showing anyone anything. As I said, I'm a grunt.
It's really funny but I have to admit it. There are a few of us that are a bit paranoid about sov issues, because we had been on the receiving end in the past. Therefore, some of us overreacted, after the first sov loss.
When it was confirmed that there was a bug (which still persists), we offered a public apology (read above) like grown men, carrying the proper equipment.
On the other hand, you Provi-blob-fail, even though you got spanked, repeatedly on the field, and there had been numerous recorded instances of the bug happening, still came to the forum and whined about devhax, or tried to spin it in order to call U'K whiners/ sore losers etc..
Let me clarify it for you: To be a sore loser, you have to lose. Therefore, by default, you are one. We won.
Also:
Originally by: Durkuh Durka
u mad?
Nope, but you sure are Spin it some more baby, my histrionics need more powah!!
Really good job at fail memes, keep it up.
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Minmatar
DEEzNUTS-DzN
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.02.22 14:15:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Durkuh Durka on 22/02/2010 14:16:17
Originally by: Tagami Wasp
Originally by: Durkuh Durka
....quote tunnel...
Everyone has been ****ing and moaning about something that is unlikely ans stupid. Sure you corrected yourself after being called on it but that doesn't change the fact you did look pretty stupid syaing CCP favored Provi in the first place.
As I said, this is largely the fault of CCP. I'm just a grunt, so I won't claim to know what happened in the attempted transfer of sov. I wasn't involved in it and neither were most here. I do know CCP had some pretty good fail and admitted jobs didn't run during a downtime. Who knows what happened.
What amuses me is the childishness in the last couple of threads. I know CAOD is a sewer but WOW has it been outdoing itself lately.
To be fair, the whining is rife on both sides. Makk's post is the one that originally had me laughing and prompted my reply. You guys cry as much as anyone, despite protestations to the contrary.
Your histrionics are amusing, perhaps it is you that needs a pair? I enjoy a challenge, which means I have to accept that I will sometimes lose. I'm having a good time, so I guess I win at Eve. :-)
I've been ganked by U'K with unfavorable odds and I've been in gangs that took U'K ships in unfavorable odds. Oddly enough, having numerical superiority is often a winning tactic. I only shoot people who are red to me, though. You calling me a bully is... humorous.
I won't be showing anyone anything. As I said, I'm a grunt.
It's really funny but I have to admit it. There are a few of us that are a bit paranoid about sov issues, because we had been on the receiving end in the past. Therefore, some of us overreacted, after the first sov loss.
When it was confirmed that there was a bug (which still persists), we offered a public apology (read above) like grown men, carrying the proper equipment.
On the other hand, you Provi-blob-fail, even though you got spanked, repeatedly on the field, and there had been numerous recorded instances of the bug happening, still came to the forum and whined about devhax, or tried to spin it in order to call U'K whiners/ sore losers etc..
Let me clarify it for you: To be a sore loser, you have to lose. Therefore, by default, you are one. We won.
Also:
Originally by: Durkuh Durka
u mad?
Nope, but you sure are Spin it some more baby, my histrionics need more powah!!
Really good job at fail memes, keep it up.
LOL. Nope I'm having a pretty fun time. I won and lost this W/E. Had a total blast doing both.
It's good to see you admit your problem with paranoia, though. You now have a mere eleven steps to recovery. As for the others, I haven't seen much in the way of contrition from your comrades (except Butter dog who I mentioned in my first post).
My point was and is: If you're going to point and laugh at someone for whining when fights go against them, it might be a good idea to check your own recent posts.
Still, I can certainly understand your embarrassment. I would be as well if I'd been the one called out.
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Amarr
The Littlest Hobos
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.22 14:22:00 -
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confirming that ushracloak is a horrible alliance that cant win pvp and hides behind another alliance
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Tagami Wasp
Caldari
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.22 14:37:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Durkuh Durka
Still, I can certainly understand your embarrassment. I would be as well if I'd been the one called out.
Confirming that I am paranoid and wear a tin foil hat
Also am fail at PvP. 
Also am embarrassed.
Also am mad. 
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Cribb
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.22 14:54:00 -
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I just miss Russo, he made ranting inro an art form.
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