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Slade Hoo Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2010.02.20 20:30:00 - [31] A solution would be increasing charge (transaction fee) for market orders like we do have for office rents. ------ Make Lowsec useful! Vote in the CSM-Forum!
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2010.02.20 20:41:00 - [32] Originally by: Slade Hoo A solution would be increasing charge (transaction fee) for market orders like we do have for office rents. That's a solution to which problem? Jita is the trade hub, how is that a problem exactly?
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.02.20 20:53:00 - [33] Originally by: Zartrader One way to make other regions compete with Jita is to have it easier to transfer goods between regions and be able to search other regions in game No, this is the way to make Jita the sole trade capital for ever and ever
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.02.20 21:00:00 - [34] Jita is perfect as is. Its like the sams warehouse of eve where you amble into 4-4 with your freighter and stock up on all sorts of goodies to then take back and seed in low sec and other active border markets. Granted it's a total pita to do it of course with a freighters godawful warp and align speed but the profits from a few hours of gate jumping are moar than worth the effort. Hell I'd say knock a few more of the region hopping highway gates out of the system and make hub to hub routes even longer. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
Raydeus	Posted - 2010.02.20 21:54:00 - [35] Geh, 750k players would mean sharding EVE.
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Fyretracker Heavy Industries	Posted - 2010.02.20 22:54:00 - [36] Jita will always be popular as long as it has lots of exit ramps. just like my home town was a major shopping hub in southwestern CT because it had 8 exits off a major interstate highway. jita has lots of exits from the gate system it is easy on easy off. and oddly enough 4/4 is like the mall in said home town, the exit from the parking lot is always backed up!
Irulan S'Dijana Amarr S'Dijana Technologies	Posted - 2010.02.21 00:51:00 - [37] Originally by: Slade Hoo Originally by: Alchemist's Alt Well it is a common error to assume people all flooded Jita / caldari space by chance because everyone likes missile boats since they are good for missions Enlighten me! When I started playing, Jita was already center of EVE. Gather round children, and listen... Many many expansion ago, when creating a new character the race description for Caldari was basically 'Technologically advanced militaristic capitalists'. Compare this against 'religion bigots', 'slaves' and 'french people', you can see why a lot of newbies chose caldari. The next step was that school you graduated from. It was a choice between military, business or mining. Naturally most Caldari newbies chose military. And once you did, you got plonked in Kisogo. Which at the time was connected to Jita. And the newbie agent gave you missions to go to Jita, then recommended an agent after you graduated which was located in Jita 4-4. And there it is. Why a crapload of EVE population ended up in Jita. Once they got there, the network effect kicked in and the hive of s****and villainy was born. - Nobody gets rich in this business. You simply obtain new levels of relative poverty.
dmosbarge1 Militek Industries Looney Toons.	Posted - 2010.02.21 02:40:00 - [38] Originally by: Irulan S'Dijana Gather round children, and listen... Many many expansion ago, when creating a new character the race description for Caldari was basically 'Technologically advanced militaristic capitalists'. Compare this against 'religion bigots', 'slaves' and 'french people', you can see why a lot of newbies chose caldari. The next step was that school you graduated from. It was a choice between military, business or mining. Naturally most Caldari newbies chose military. And once you did, you got plonked in Kisogo. Which at the time was connected to Jita. And the newbie agent gave you missions to go to Jita, then recommended an agent after you graduated which was located in Jita 4-4. And there it is. Why a crapload of EVE population ended up in Jita. Once they got there, the network effect kicked in and the hive of s****and villainy was born. You don't remember Yulai?
Samantha U	Posted - 2010.02.21 02:45:00 - [39] Originally by: Irulan S'Dijana Originally by: Slade Hoo Originally by: Alchemist's Alt Well it is a common error to assume people all flooded Jita / caldari space by chance because everyone likes missile boats since they are good for missions Enlighten me! When I started playing, Jita was already center of EVE. Gather round children, and listen... Many many expansion ago, when creating a new character the race description for Caldari was basically 'Technologically advanced militaristic capitalists'. Compare this against 'religion bigots', 'slaves' and 'french people', you can see why a lot of newbies chose caldari. The next step was that school you graduated from. It was a choice between military, business or mining. Naturally most Caldari newbies chose military. And once you did, you got plonked in Kisogo. Which at the time was connected to Jita. And the newbie agent gave you missions to go to Jita, then recommended an agent after you graduated which was located in Jita 4-4. And there it is. Why a crapload of EVE population ended up in Jita. Once they got there, the network effect kicked in and the hive of s****and villainy was born. The real reason so many chose Caldari has little to do with the description, more like the spread of attribute points and starting skills that allowed you to min/max a pvp character from the start.
Noun Verber Gallente	Posted - 2010.02.21 02:49:00 - [40] Originally by: Vossejongk Originally by: Noun Verber Edited by: Noun Verber on 20/02/2010 17:09:18 Originally by: Miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiau It would mean more threads why you can't buy yourself to max level. also, obvious troll poster (OP) is obvious Just buy a new char from character bazaar ???? Buy couple of GTC Convert to plex Sell plex on market Use isk to buy char ??? Profit! How could you have missed all the ISK/RMT for SP threads?
Alchemist's Alt Gallente Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.03.01 07:26:00 - [41] Originally by: Sig Sour A really good TV commercial would probably do it. I think now people see the Eve banners on the net along with all the dating services and muscle pills and think of Eve as cheap crap like that. Haha so true, seems like all the dodgy sites have it but it has appeared on youtube so thats good I guess ;/ But all it takes is one explosion I was looking at the stats from the fanfest vid and alot has changed in 5 years, theres clearly a nice gain and I smell a explosion coming soon, something tells it will happen when ambulation comes out which will imo have alot of benefits. See in WoW whiners got away with being stupid, the benefits of EvE is you can brand and burn anyone Nice stats though, the game thats been dying for several years is gaining more but I do feel people need to explore other options in game when they feel bored, we really need more alliances FIRST!!
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.03.01 08:13:00 - [42] Originally by: Raydeus Geh, 750k players would mean sharding EVE. No it wouldn't. It would mean adding more nodes, and possibly more space, to TQ (rather than use twice as much hardware to create a new shard).
Ak'athra J'ador Amarr Handsome Millionaire Playboys	Posted - 2010.03.01 08:38:00 - [43] Originally by: Zartrader Edited by: Zartrader on 20/02/2010 18:12:03 There will be influxes but most MMORPG players have at least heard of EVE. Unfortunately many misunderstand it too (thanks to the fail players who blame the mechanics and post about it) I hope EVE gets more popular as that means more cash for development and bug fixing. But I also hope CCP do not cave in to those who think any game style other than WOW's is not valid. I do trust CCP though, unlike other devs who seem to be ***s to their marketing department. Even wow players no longer like the style of wow. If you look at their forums you will see threadnoughts about old players complaining to Blizzard for dumbing down their game and making it more accessible to new players. similar to what we have here. its good cause while wow brought a lot of people into the gaming world, they get tired of the game and move on. and since all games are the same, they keep moving on... and eventually, everyone ends up in eve...from which there is no escape**
Alchemist's Alt Gallente Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.03.01 08:56:00 - [44] Originally by: Ak'athra J'ador Originally by: Zartrader Edited by: Zartrader on 20/02/2010 18:12:03 There will be influxes but most MMORPG players have at least heard of EVE. Unfortunately many misunderstand it too (thanks to the fail players who blame the mechanics and post about it) I hope EVE gets more popular as that means more cash for development and bug fixing. But I also hope CCP do not cave in to those who think any game style other than WOW's is not valid. I do trust CCP though, unlike other devs who seem to be ***s to their marketing department. Even wow players no longer like the style of wow. If you look at their forums you will see threadnoughts about old players complaining to Blizzard for dumbing down their game and making it more accessible to new players. similar to what we have here. its good cause while wow brought a lot of people into the gaming world, they get tired of the game and move on. and since all games are the same, they keep moving on... and eventually, everyone ends up in eve...from which there is no escape** I dont really think CCP are trying to dumb the game down, havent really seen them do anything that makes it easier for noobs FIRST!!
Boomershoot Caldari Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2010.03.01 09:06:00 - [45] I dunno where you take your numbers from, but doubling the eve population (375k -> 750k) in less than 6 months is something neither CCP nor EVE can afford or take preparations for (be sure, if something like that would happen, it would speed up system virtualizzation process by 12 MEGA****LOADS) If you're thinking about 750k PCU, on the other hand, it means you don't get IT.
Alchemist's Alt Gallente Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.03.01 09:27:00 - [46] Originally by: Boomershoot I dunno where you take your numbers from, but doubling the eve population (375k -> 750k) in less than 6 months is something neither CCP nor EVE can afford or take preparations for (be sure, if something like that would happen, it would speed up system virtualizzation process by 12 MEGA****LOADS) If you're thinking about 750k PCU, on the other hand, it means you don't get IT. Yeah it was PCU but it was just a comparison to the sudden & unexpected population change (explosion) in RL, ofc not saying it will happen but then things like this seem to ALWAYS happen unexpectedly all the time FIRST!!
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.03.01 10:13:00 - [47] Originally by: Alchemist's Alt I smell a explosion coming soon, something tells it will happen when ambulation comes out which will imo have alot of benefits. I think that Incarna will net CCP a lot of subs as well, but I dont see it doubling the playerbase basically overnight. If it goes really really well, they might get an extra 100k in a year. Which is actually p. awesome growth, but still perfectly managable. Another 100k subs implies another 14-15k PCU, and ~7k "normal" load. If they get that many subs, I'm sure CCP will have no problems with throwing more hardware at TQ.
HeliosGal Caldari	Posted - 2010.03.01 12:30:00 - [48] moar targets sweet Signature - CCP what this game needs is more variance in PVE aspects and a little bit less PVP focus, more content more varied level 1-4 missions more than just 10 per faction high sec low sec and 00
My Postman	Posted - 2010.03.01 15:50:00 - [49] This kind of increase is impossible, tell you why. Yet, all of the 14 year old schoolyard bullies, griefers, scammers, ninjas, suicide gankers are ALLREADY here! There are no other a**hats out there, who can be pulled into this game. Done!
Ellah	Posted - 2010.03.01 21:21:00 - [50] Most players are male i guess,... birth control ftw
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.03.01 22:15:00 - [51] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Raydeus Geh, 750k players would mean sharding EVE. No it wouldn't. It would mean adding more nodes, and possibly more space, to TQ (rather than use twice as much hardware to create a new shard). If it were really that simple they wouldn't be struggling with our current population. There's clearly code problems they have to work out before they can even consider 60k concurrent players who may decide to fight eachother. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Mr Epeen	Posted - 2010.03.01 22:42:00 - [52] Originally by: Vossejongk CCP would probably quadriple TQ in size, not only will there be new factions and new empire space but also more nullsec. If the playerbase triples, so does space have to, otherwise it will become way too crowded. There is plenty of space. Even if the population doubles. What there isn't, is enough people with the huevos to strap some guns on their ships and go take it. Mr Epeen
Loki Farseer F9X	Posted - 2010.03.01 23:31:00 - [53] Kids... you get that many more Subs and this game will crap itself harder then currently. Want a real world example. Try the IPHONE in the US. AT&T was like yeah ... lotsa new accounts BRING IT ON. Then their network craps itself so hard it's own customers are trying to bring it down to show how bad it is, and would have until the FCC and a couple other acronyms stepped in. Even without that it dropped calls, busy can't make calls, and has slow as hell Web access and downloads. In case you are a complete idiot I'll draw the lines for you so you don't have to think too hard (damn WoW kids)... Dropping Calls in Eve Speak = Oh Damn I just tossed an exception, Eve Crashed on Me Busy can't make a call in Eve Speak = You are unable to log into that cluster as it has reached max blah blah. You can get this from the 1st Log in OR the Character Log in.. oh joy Slow as Hell Web Access Times and download speeds in Eve Speak = Lag (This really doesn't need a description) TBH CCP shouldn't want an ass load of new subs since THEY CAN'T HANDLE WHAT THEY GOT... add another 20% - 40% load and it'll be like watching a train wreck.
Dante Marcellus Minmatar	Posted - 2010.03.02 00:12:00 - [54] Would we even be able to fit that many people in the current systems we have?
Alchemist's Alt Gallente Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.03.02 00:18:00 - [55] Current systems no, but lets assume all of a sudden every WoW player decides to quit and play EvE overnight, this would kill the servers but not forever, its not like CCP will be like "**** we have more people playing this game, damn thats not what we wanted" and run away, situations happen this all the time and are somewhat wanted. Ofc 50k ->> 750k is a little dramatic but it could happen dunno why people are anal over that FIRST!!
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.03.02 03:22:00 - [56] Originally by: dmosbarge1 Originally by: Irulan S'Dijana Gather round children, and listen... Many many expansion ago, when creating a new character the race description for Caldari was basically 'Technologically advanced militaristic capitalists'. Compare this against 'religion bigots', 'slaves' and 'french people', you can see why a lot of newbies chose caldari. The next step was that school you graduated from. It was a choice between military, business or mining. Naturally most Caldari newbies chose military. And once you did, you got plonked in Kisogo. Which at the time was connected to Jita. And the newbie agent gave you missions to go to Jita, then recommended an agent after you graduated which was located in Jita 4-4. And there it is. Why a crapload of EVE population ended up in Jita. Once they got there, the network effect kicked in and the hive of s**and villainy was born. You don't remember Yulai? This! Jita used to be nothing. Yulai used to be the end all, be all trade hub of EVE. But then the highway changed course and suddenly Yulai was little more than a back water burg. Manipulate the transportation routes and you manipulate the bulk of the EVE population. Yes, CCP is controlling YOU.** ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
HeliosGal Caldari	Posted - 2010.03.02 05:42:00 - [57] alternatively the smart traders make a profit taking the goods to where the population hubs are. Either via wormhole inks or other means. But perhaps adding more diverse areas to trade will improve things Signature - CCP what this game needs is more variance in PVE aspects and a little bit less PVP focus, more content more varied level 1-4 missions more than just 10 per faction high sec low sec and 00
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.03.02 10:20:00 - [58] Originally by: My Postman This kind of increase is impossible, tell you why. Yet, all of the 14 year old schoolyard bullies, griefers, scammers, ninjas, suicide gankers are ALLREADY here! There are no other a**hats out there, who can be pulled into this game. Done! Where did you get this information from?
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.03.02 12:18:00 - [59] Originally by: My Postman This kind of increase is impossible, tell you why. Yet, all of the 14 year old schoolyard bullies, griefers, scammers, ninjas, suicide gankers are ALLREADY here! There are no other a**hats out there, who can be pulled into this game. Done! quoted for truth. -------------------------------------------------- We lost around 1.5b worth of tower, fuel and modules total. (Pause for amusement)
Sokratesz	Posted - 2010.03.02 12:54:00 - [60] Originally by: Jerid Verges Originally by: Miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiau It would mean a LOT more whining. It would mean more threads why you can't grind yourself to max level. It would mean a lot more threads asking for more PvE. More people => more mainstream More threads about ninja salvaging More threads about logoffski More threads about suicide ganking Manymanymanymanymanymanymanymanymany more tears. more tears = good CSM Iceland meeting minutes - READ THEM :D

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