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Daniel Herbaenan	Posted - 2010.02.21 00:16:00 - [1] I'm a bit confused about the temperature of planets in EVE... the values given are apparently in Kelvin (the temperatures are displayed as <number>k), but there are "habitable" planets with temperatures of like 100 kelvin, which is far too cold for liquid water to exist (100 kelvin is -173 Celsius). It is possible that the listed temperatures are Celsius, but then I have seen ice planets with listed temperatures of 50. So, what is the temperature scale for EVE planets? I think that the values may need to be changed a bit...
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.02.21 00:19:00 - [2] Originally by: Daniel Herbaenan I'm a bit confused about the temperature of planets in EVE... the values given are apparently in Kelvin (the temperatures are displayed as <number>k), but there are "habitable" planets with temperatures of like 100 kelvin, which is far too cold for liquid water to exist (100 kelvin is -173 Celsius). It is possible that the listed temperatures are Celsius, but then I have seen ice planets with listed temperatures of 50. So, what is the temperature scale for EVE planets? I think that the values may need to be changed a bit... The values don't correspond to anything, and have been the subject of debate among Eve's RP community for a LONG time. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<<
Estel Arador Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services	Posted - 2010.02.21 00:20:00 - [3] The values are more or less random and not at all related to the type of planet. They are placeholders until CCP decides to actually put in sensible values (if ever). Free jumpclone service\|874 stations - Truly Universal
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Fyretracker Heavy Industries	Posted - 2010.02.21 00:44:00 - [4] some planets have pretty high gravity too, as isnt escape Velocity the speed needed to get off the surface or is it the speed to leave orbit. because one certainly doesnt need 12km/sec to lift off of a planet unless it is massive or really dense.
Lork Niffle Gallente External Hard Drive	Posted - 2010.02.21 00:55:00 - [5] Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker as isnt escape Velocity the speed needed to get off the surface or is it the speed to leave orbit. because one certainly doesnt need 12km/sec to lift off of a planet unless it is massive or really dense. Earth's Escape Velocity is 11.2KM/s ------------------------------------- The system issues man.
WarlockX Amarr Free Trade Corp	Posted - 2010.02.21 02:03:00 - [6] Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker some planets have pretty high gravity too, as isnt escape Velocity the speed needed to get off the surface or is it the speed to leave orbit. because one certainly doesnt need 12km/sec to lift off of a planet unless it is massive or really dense. Moon - 2.38 km/sec Mars - 5.027 km/s Earth - 11.2 km/sec Saturn - 35.5 km/s Jupiter ù Escape Velocity: km/s 59.5 Sun - 618. km/sec ----------------------------------------------- Free Trade Corp - Flash page
Swiftgaze Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.21 02:04:00 - [7] I have another one: If you eject from a moving ship, the pod stands still at 0 m/s.
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Fyretracker Heavy Industries	Posted - 2010.02.21 02:42:00 - [8] well that is just the plain funky EVE physics, keep in mind in space we could logically hit our afterburners then cut all thrust, go dark and be off sensors but still be going at say 500m/s
WarlockX Amarr Free Trade Corp	Posted - 2010.02.21 03:11:00 - [9] Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker well that is just the plain funky EVE physics, keep in mind in space we could logically hit our afterburners then cut all thrust, go dark and be off sensors but still be going at say 500m/s not if you have a warp engine that creates drag on subspace ----------------------------------------------- Free Trade Corp - Flash page
AdmiralJohn The Unknown Bar and Pub Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.21 03:14:00 - [10] How about the part where we fly through planets? Also once I parked my ship on the surface and no one came to greet me. I guess in the future hospitality doesn't exist

Karlemgne Tides Of War	Posted - 2010.02.21 03:25:00 - [11] Originally by: Daniel Herbaenan I'm a bit confused about the temperature of planets in EVE... the values given are apparently in Kelvin (the temperatures are displayed as <number>k), but there are "habitable" planets with temperatures of like 100 kelvin, which is far too cold for liquid water to exist (100 kelvin is -173 Celsius). It is possible that the listed temperatures are Celsius, but then I have seen ice planets with listed temperatures of 50. So, what is the temperature scale for EVE planets? I think that the values may need to be changed a bit... Someone posted a thread like this earlier when they found a planet that's surface temperature was below absolute zero. My sig don't fracking work.
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2010.02.21 03:32:00 - [12] Originally by: AdmiralJohn How about the part where we fly through planets? You can't fly through planets in EvE.
AdmiralJohn The Unknown Bar and Pub Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.21 03:43:00 - [13] Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab Originally by: AdmiralJohn How about the part where we fly through planets? You can't fly through planets in EvE. Maybe I'm dumb, but I'm not understanding this joke which you are telling.
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Fyretracker Heavy Industries	Posted - 2010.02.21 03:57:00 - [14] i think flying through planets could either be explained that we are not in real space when in a warp tunnel or that it simply worked for game mechanics
Mikael Mechka Gallente Sentinels Reprieve Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2010.02.21 04:56:00 - [15] Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker i think flying through planets could either be explained that we are not in real space when in a warp tunnel or that it simply worked for game mechanics I've been bored enough to slowboat through a planet before, and I'm sure many others have. When the planet fills the screen it gets pretty intimidating, giving you the impression that you are in fact about to become a smear on the landscape, but then you pass through and the planet graphic disappears :( Untill you reach the very centre of the planet, which will then decide it doesn't like you and kick you out at about 200km/s for your trouble. Would be better if you got bumped off the planet at say 20km (your nav computer initiates emergency course correction to prevent collision with a habitable planet or similar RP reason) instead of when you've technically drilled your spaceship about 20,000km through the crust and mantle into the core. Just make then large collidable objects. ------------------------------------------------- Originally by: Lana Torrin I just reported you for being informative in a troll thread. Please leave.
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Fyretracker Heavy Industries	Posted - 2010.02.21 05:08:00 - [16] Originally by: Mikael Mechka Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker i think flying through planets could either be explained that we are not in real space when in a warp tunnel or that it simply worked for game mechanics I've been bored enough to slowboat through a planet before, and I'm sure many others have. When the planet fills the screen it gets pretty intimidating, giving you the impression that you are in fact about to become a smear on the landscape, but then you pass through and the planet graphic disappears :( Untill you reach the very centre of the planet, which will then decide it doesn't like you and kick you out at about 200km/s for your trouble. Would be better if you got bumped off the planet at say 20km (your nav computer initiates emergency course correction to prevent collision with a habitable planet or similar RP reason) instead of when you've technically drilled your spaceship about 20,000km through the crust and mantle into the core. Just make then large collidable objects. ships hitting planets, that would make for an interesting element to an EVE story. where as a Defense of something deep in a system all barren or volcanic planets someone erects ultra powerful tractor beams and unauthorized ships are pulled into the planet to crash. come to think of it that would be a cool defense system. lifeless worlds used to crash enemy ships with tractor beams that are themselves highly shielded and powered off the planet's core heat(and now i am mixing bond villain craziness with EVE).
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2010.02.21 05:35:00 - [17] Originally by: Daniel Herbaenan I'm a bit confused about the temperature of planets in EVE... the values given are apparently in Kelvin (the temperatures are displayed as <number>k), but there are "habitable" planets with temperatures of like 100 kelvin, which is far too cold for liquid water to exist (100 kelvin is -173 Celsius). It is possible that the listed temperatures are Celsius, but then I have seen ice planets with listed temperatures of 50. So, what is the temperature scale for EVE planets? I think that the values may need to be changed a bit... perhaps the temperatures are in space kelvins, a completely different measurement system that means that actual temperatures in real kelvins are completely normal! or perhaps the values have been ignored for eleventhousand patches and are still thus completely arbitrary or a wizard did it! _____________________ Horrors! Demons in the deep!
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.02.21 06:30:00 - [18] Originally by: Daniel Herbaenan I'm a bit confused about the temperature of planets in EVE... the values given are apparently in Kelvin (the temperatures are displayed as <number>k), but there are "habitable" planets with temperatures of like 100 kelvin, which is far too cold for liquid water to exist (100 kelvin is -173 Celsius). It is possible that the listed temperatures are Celsius, but then I have seen ice planets with listed temperatures of 50. So, what is the temperature scale for EVE planets? I think that the values may need to be changed a bit... just mentally change the K to F or C depending on the range
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2010.02.21 06:53:00 - [19] Originally by: Chaos Incarnate or a wizard did it! Oh sure! Everyone always blames the wizards! But who is the first person they call when someone polymorphs them into a rabbit? A wizard! Admittedly, quite possibly the same wizard who cast the spell...but that isn't important! That's just making a living! Also I had some spare exclamation points and needed somewhere to use them. Originally by: GM Horse I've sadly misplaced my magic "find farmers in ravens" button.
Winters Chill Amarr Shadow Legion. Talos Coalition	Posted - 2010.02.21 12:13:00 - [20] Originally by: Daniel Herbaenan I'm a bit confused about the temperature of planets in EVE... the values given are apparently in Kelvin (the temperatures are displayed as <number>k), but there are "habitable" planets with temperatures of like 100 kelvin, which is far too cold for liquid water to exist (100 kelvin is -173 Celsius). It is possible that the listed temperatures are Celsius, but then I have seen ice planets with listed temperatures of 50. So, what is the temperature scale for EVE planets? I think that the values may need to be changed a bit... Your assuming the liquid on those worlds is water, or even water with the same saline content as our oceans. Could be a very briney ocean, ammonia, carbon dioxide ocean... anything.

Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.02.21 12:19:00 - [21] Originally by: Verone The values don't correspond to anything, and have been the subject of debate among Eve's RP community for a LONG time. Well, the debate has ended long ago with the consensus that the values given in-game are nonsense, right? ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Boomershoot Caldari Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2010.02.21 12:26:00 - [22] Originally by: Winters Chill carbon dioxide ocean YES CCP, MAKE IT REAL!
Wild Rho Amarr Sniggerdly	Posted - 2010.02.21 13:45:00 - [23] Originally by: AdmiralJohn How about the part where we fly through planets? Also once I parked my ship on the surface and no one came to greet me. I guess in the future hospitality doesn't exist Did you actually get out of your ship to check?
Passageway Gallente	Posted - 2010.02.21 19:56:00 - [24] carbon dioxide freezes at a balmy -56 C, some of these planets would seem to have helium oceans at best :)

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.02.21 20:04:00 - [25] Originally by: Merdaneth Originally by: Verone The values don't correspond to anything, and have been the subject of debate among Eve's RP community for a LONG time. Well, the debate has ended long ago with the consensus that the values given in-game are nonsense, right? Yes, those values could be improved a lot to be more consistent and meaningful. We are aware of it. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Abrazzar	Posted - 2010.02.21 20:46:00 - [26] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Merdaneth Originally by: Verone The values don't correspond to anything, and have been the subject of debate among Eve's RP community for a LONG time. Well, the debate has ended long ago with the consensus that the values given in-game are nonsense, right? Yes, those values could be improved a lot to be more consistent and meaningful. We are aware of it. Wasn't there a plan to have a team sift through all this fluff for adjustments to get it finished for planetary interaction or am I imagining things? --------
Carniflex StarHunt Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.02.21 21:55:00 - [27] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Merdaneth Originally by: Verone The values don't correspond to anything, and have been the subject of debate among Eve's RP community for a LONG time. Well, the debate has ended long ago with the consensus that the values given in-game are nonsense, right? Yes, those values could be improved a lot to be more consistent and meaningful. We are aware of it. \o/ Awesome. If it would not be too troublesome to ask perhaps you could please also take a look where are the skins applied at the planets. Features & Ideas - there is chitchat about that in features and ideas section. And some talk has been also in CSM section in the form of proposal kinda summing up the features thread. Assembly Hall In any case - for a start even more or less correct temperatures would be uber to have.
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2010.02.21 22:32:00 - [28] I suppose the way to deal with it would be to look at the aspects of planets that relate to how they currently appear ingame (i.e. radius and type: ice / habitable / plasma) and create an algorithm that uses these fixed points to generate a reasonable set of other variables. --- 34.4:1 mineral compression
Megan Maynard Minmatar Clown Punchers. Clown Punchers Syndicate	Posted - 2010.02.22 14:33:00 - [29] Edited by: Megan Maynard on 22/02/2010 14:36:25 Originally by: WarlockX Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker well that is just the plain funky EVE physics, keep in mind in space we could logically hit our afterburners then cut all thrust, go dark and be off sensors but still be going at say 500m/s not if you have a warp engine that creates drag on subspace The Nerd burn is strong with this post. Also, it wouldn't be that big of a deal for players to actively send the updated numbers? Couldn't CCP have a player team to go around and pick better numbers for the planets? Originally by: F'nog Originally by: Stareatthesun No no no ... Polaris is where CCP keeps the death star that will destroy eve when the servers shut down. Thankfully I've got Interceptors trained to V. S

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.02.22 14:41:00 - [30] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton just mentally change the K to F or C depending on the range subliminal messages ftw. Secure 3rd party service




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