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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2012.06.29 22:07:00 -
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BrianOfNazerath wrote:I am wondering, with the 40 alliances and 50,000 characters that are now poring into delve and the huge fights that should ensue. Is CCP prepared for the stress it will have on their systems? Will Time Dilation be up to the task? Yes. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2012.06.29 23:47:00 -
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Thor Kerrigan wrote:talk the talk. will you.. walk the walk? Yes.
(Ask more complicated questions and there might be more complicated answers... ) Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2012.06.30 00:14:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:Thor Kerrigan wrote:talk the talk. will you.. walk the walk? Yes. (Ask more complicated questions and there might be more complicated answers...  ) Does this mean you've finally reinforced the nodes after the cringe-inducing slow motion battles we had to endure this prior week? Have you sent us information on where and when fights might happen? Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2012.06.30 13:07:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:Mara Tessidar wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:Thor Kerrigan wrote:talk the talk. will you.. walk the walk? Yes. (Ask more complicated questions and there might be more complicated answers...  ) Does this mean you've finally reinforced the nodes after the cringe-inducing slow motion battles we had to endure this prior week? Have you sent us information on where and when fights might happen? Perhaps you should see this thread. We have a specific fleetfight notification system, please use that. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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Posted - 2012.06.30 13:15:00 -
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Xenuria wrote:BrianOfNazerath wrote:I am wondering, with the 40 alliances and 50,000 characters that are now poring into delve and the huge fights that should ensue.
Is CCP prepared for the stress it will have on their systems?
Will Time Dilation be up to the task?
I guess we will have to wait and see CCP was not prepared for Burn Jita, what makes you think they will be able to handle this. CCP has really been dropping the ball/Shitting the bed. One of the main reasons I started playing eve was because of the persistent universe. These days eve is turning into second life in space with parcels/solar systems that have waiting lines or are diverting traffic. The community has grown to large for the CCP servers to handle. This war simply will not happen or it will be a few thousand people in a warzone with the remainder sitting outside a gates in other systems waiting in line to jump in. I'm going to absolutely disagree with you that we were not ready for Burn Jita and point you to this devblog http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28640 Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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Posted - 2012.06.30 13:16:00 -
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Xenuria wrote:CCP has proven to me and everybody else that letting them know about a fight does NOT mean they will reinforce the node as much as it needs to be.
Burn Jita is a perfect example. If CCP had reinforced the node to the point where everybody who wanted to participate could jump into the system eventually without their being a hard cap on the total amount of players in system , this thread would have no reason to exist. See my previous reply; you're wrong.
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Posted - 2012.06.30 13:19:00 -
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Luba Cibre wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:Mara Tessidar wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:Thor Kerrigan wrote:talk the talk. will you.. walk the walk? Yes. (Ask more complicated questions and there might be more complicated answers...  ) Does this mean you've finally reinforced the nodes after the cringe-inducing slow motion battles we had to endure this prior week? Have you sent us information on where and when fights might happen? This question tells everyone involved, that CCP is definitely not prepared for Delve War 5. How so? We have nodes ready for fleetfights, we have a fleefight notification system and we have Time Dilation. But of course we don't have inside information on exactly where and when the next big fight is going to occur, but the fleetfight notification system is exactly intended to share that information with us in confidence. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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Posted - 2012.06.30 16:56:00 -
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Xenuria wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:Xenuria wrote:BrianOfNazerath wrote:I am wondering, with the 40 alliances and 50,000 characters that are now poring into delve and the huge fights that should ensue.
Is CCP prepared for the stress it will have on their systems?
Will Time Dilation be up to the task?
I guess we will have to wait and see CCP was not prepared for Burn Jita, what makes you think they will be able to handle this. CCP has really been dropping the ball/Shitting the bed. One of the main reasons I started playing eve was because of the persistent universe. These days eve is turning into second life in space with parcels/solar systems that have waiting lines or are diverting traffic. The community has grown to large for the CCP servers to handle. This war simply will not happen or it will be a few thousand people in a warzone with the remainder sitting outside a gates in other systems waiting in line to jump in. I'm going to absolutely disagree with you that we were not ready for Burn Jita and point you to this devblog http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28640 No matter how CCP PR tries to SPIN the facts it cannot be ignored that a population cap was in place during the burn jita event. You CAN say you disagree with my statement. You CAN'T Say that their was no cap on the population of jita during the event. If you did make some crazy claim that EVE is a single shard without caveats then I could just turn around and post a video of the waiting line outside every gate into jita during the event. Before you go and say something self-defeating like "Well the hardware has limitations" keep in mind how much money CCP makes and how much of that actually goes to server upgrades as a percentage. I have no idea what you are trying to say here, so I'll just repeat us both to put this back on track:
You said: "CCP was not prepared for Burn Jita, what makes you think they will be able to handle this".
And I responded: "I'm going to absolutely disagree with you that we were not ready for Burn Jita and point you to this devblog http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28640".
What is your point? We knew of the Burn Jita event, we prepared for it, stuff happened, we responded and fine-tuned things. All the details are in the devblog. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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Posted - 2012.06.30 17:51:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:How so? We have nodes ready for fleetfights, we have a fleefight notification system and we have Time Dilation. But of course we don't have inside information on exactly where and when the next big fight is going to occur, but the fleetfight notification system is exactly intended to share that information with us in confidence. You don't plan fights like this. The magnitude of a fight is dependent on so many factors it's impossible for anyone to predict far enough in advance for your notification system to be of any use. And that's why we have Time Dilation. If you can plan then let us know. If you can't plan in such detail to give us specific systems then Time Dilation will keep the fight orderly.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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Posted - 2012.06.30 19:02:00 -
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adam smash wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:BrianOfNazerath wrote:I am wondering, with the 40 alliances and 50,000 characters that are now poring into delve and the huge fights that should ensue. Is CCP prepared for the stress it will have on their systems? Will Time Dilation be up to the task? Yes. Don't lie to us how many reboots did we have this week? LOL You were not ready for your own patchs. We have had a couple of unexpected reboots recently to deploy changes to deal with the Factional Warfare Loyalty Point exploit (and one reboot to fix client startup issues for players with Windows usernames in Cyrillic). What has that to do with being prepared for fleetfights in Delve?
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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Posted - 2012.06.30 19:48:00 -
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adam smash wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:How so? We have nodes ready for fleetfights, we have a fleefight notification system and we have Time Dilation. But of course we don't have inside information on exactly where and when the next big fight is going to occur, but the fleetfight notification system is exactly intended to share that information with us in confidence. You don't plan fights like this. The magnitude of a fight is dependent on so many factors it's impossible for anyone to predict far enough in advance for your notification system to be of any use. And that's why we have Time Dilation. If you can plan then let us know. If you can't plan in such detail to give us specific systems then Time Dilation will keep the fight orderly. Maybe hot swapping nodes would have been a better waste of time than making lag a feature... TIDI what a joke. Learn to hotswap the nodes. Now why didn't I think of this before? I'll be right back, will code this over the weekend...
On a more serious note: Hot swap the nodes to where?
To give you some background: The smallest unit in EVE that can be load balanced is a solarsystem. There are smaller units of activity, such as a grid, but a solarsystem is the smaller load-balancable unit. (Note that the concept of a constellation is simply to make solarsystem load balancing simpler and to add locality to the load balancing; the concept of regions is then a game design feature for the market and also a load balancing unit for the market.)
Once a solarsystem has such activity that it consumes the entire CPU of a node then it can't be cold or hot swapped anywhere since the activity can't be broken down any further. We have in the past few years moved a lot of location-agnostic services off the location nodes, but at this point a node with a single solarsystem is pretty much just running the physics simulation, inventory system, damage tracking and crime watch if outside 0.0, for that solarsystem.
Hence Time Dilation (TiDi). Once the node reaches approx. 80% sustained CPU (with peaks to 100%) TiDi starts to kick in. Instead of having a disorderly slowdown as the node is unable to keep up with requests then we slow down time in an orderly fashion to keep incoming requests at a manageable level, making sure that fight is fair. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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Posted - 2012.06.30 19:53:00 -
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Xenuria wrote:CCP Explorer, saying that you are not sure what I am trying to say is a very sub par tactic to evade responsibility. In the event that you are genuinely confused allow me to elaborate. The Dev Blog you linked says many things CCP Explorer wrote:Sometimes, the strain from all that commerce has been enough to overload the server it runs on, and so we've made a single exception in our "no population caps" rule so that things can remain nice and orderly. -http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28640 That is a direct quote from the devblog you linked me in this thread. You said you disagreed with me and yet your own words betray your cause for my own. When you put a population cap on a system you are making it clear that you are NOT ready for more people than what the cap on the population allows. It should come as no surprise to you that the majority of people who wanted to participate in Burn Jita had to "wait in line" for other people in system to leave. I know you're a good person, most people who work for CCP are; but don't **** on my head and tell me it's raining. You said that that we were not prepared for Burn Jita and that's not true. We were prepared and as a part of that preparation then we reinforced Jita on our beefiest hardware, set up a schedule for monitoring Burn Jita activity, anticipated to have to fine-tune TiDi parameters (since TiDi was developed and configured/tuned with fleetfights in mind), and decided to keep the already existing population cap on Jita and adjust it if and as needed. Please don't confuse that last part with not being prepared. That decision was an explicit part of the preparation. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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Posted - 2012.06.30 19:54:00 -
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Aryth wrote:Explorer, can you put the entire Delve region on a single reinforced node? Or 2? Delve is already on multiple nodes. If you guys can, then please send fleetfight requests for individual systems that you know will be "hot". Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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Posted - 2012.06.30 21:47:00 -
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Xenuria wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:You said that that we were not prepared for Burn Jita and that's not true. We were prepared and as a part of that preparation then we reinforced Jita on our beefiest hardware, set up a schedule for monitoring Burn Jita activity, anticipated to have to fine-tune TiDi parameters (since TiDi was developed and configured/tuned with fleetfights in mind), and decided to keep the already existing population cap on Jita and adjust it if and as needed. Please don't confuse that last part with not being prepared. That decision was an explicit part of the preparation. So you admit that a population cap was in fact in effect. You may not realize it yet but once again your own words have betrayed you and made my argument stronger. You just blatantly admitted that a population cap WAS IN PLACE on a node that was SUPPOSED to be reinforced with the "beefiest hardware". If you read the devblog http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28640 carefully (and this devblog was published 2012.05.02) then you will note that we spell out openly and in great detail what the Jita population cap was prior to the Burn Jita event and how and why we modified the cap during the event. Please read the section written by CCP Veritas, the part starting at "The event kicked off in the very early morning on Friday, 27 April" and ending at "Sweet spot achieved!". This information is nothing new. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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Posted - 2012.06.30 21:54:00 -
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Xenuria wrote:I will however say that if the delve war fails because of population caps then you might have to make some changes to the term "sandbox". Jita is a well-known exception to our general policy of not having population caps on systems. In particular we do not put caps on 0.0 systems when there are fights there. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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