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Annie Anomie Gallente Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2010.02.24 19:12:00 - [31] How can you shoot civilian haulers? Easy, you don't lead em so much
Fabulinus	Posted - 2010.02.24 19:28:00 - [32] The claim was made that Ishukone is operating within the boundaries of Federal law and thus these convoys are being attacked without reason. That claim is either misinformed or disingenuous. Obviously the Federation does not recognize the Ishukone right to the system as it was obtained through an auction they did not legitimize. Thus, from a Federal perspective, an Ishukone hauler is operating in direct violation of the law and using its armed escorts as thugs to enforce it, thus making them a legitimate target. It is indeed unfortunate that Ishukone, which has taken such apparent efforts to be peaceable, is receiving the level of wrath and scorn from much of the Federal Militia forces that is does. Whether it is deserved or not is a debatable matter, but they certainly appear to be less deserving of it than their counterparts. All that said, I tend to believe that on the whole the Gallente victory in the system was a righteous one. The Intaki people, just as any other, should not be excised from the Federation they joined freely through force of Caldari arms.
Eran Mintor Minmatar Valklear Guard	Posted - 2010.02.24 19:44:00 - [33] Originally by: Fabulinus The Intaki people, just as any other, should not be excised from the Federation they joined freely through force of Caldari arms. No, they shouldn't. Unfortuantely it was the Gallente government that removed their right to vote. Good thing they have it back now, but they can only blame themselves (the Federation). ------------------------------------------------
Mister Screwball Minmatar	Posted - 2010.02.24 19:44:00 - [34] Originally by: Fabulinus The claim was made that Ishukone is operating within the boundaries of Federal law and thus these convoys are being attacked without reason. That claim is either misinformed or disingenuous. Obviously the Federation does not recognize the Ishukone right to the system as it was obtained through an auction they did not legitimize. If what you say is true then the stations guns would activly fire on the haulers as the system is reclaimed and under fed control and they are obviously not welcome there in which case the haulers would leave the system otherwise you are wrong
ukiyo e	Posted - 2010.02.24 19:49:00 - [35] Quote: The memo specifies that winning bids are effectively entering a three-party agreement with the State and with all other mega-corporations; this agreement honors the rights of the bidder to hold title over all "resources, property, and opportunities" developed within the system. The deal is binding irrespective of sovereignty changes. However, the CPD makes it clear that no additional national resources are to be allocated to protect mega-corporate activities from Federation militia counterattacks "unless directed as part of strategic Caldari naval operations in the vicinity." The mega-corps made a foolish deal with the Caldari State in a fit of greed and ignorance. Ishukone is no exception. Did they never anticipate a time when the Gallente would return? The Caldari certainly did when they included provisions such as "The deal is binding irrespective of sovereignty changes". Say what you will about Ishukone being "positive towards the federation", but they still purchased something that never actually belonged to them. Every destroyed Ishukone ship is a reminder to the people who hold power in New Eden that they reap what they sow. My congratulations go out to the many brave pilots that took part in the concerted effort that resulted in this victory.
Andreus LeHane Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.02.24 20:06:00 - [36] Of course, the people who are making the real bucks here are the board members of the Providence Directorate, who are making money off of all the bridges they sold to greedy, gullible megacorporations. It's absolutely staggering, and yet deeply amusing in an ironic sort of manner that the thing that screwed the megacorporations over was the exact principle upon which the Caldari State operates - unrestricted meritocratic capitalism. The Directorate were convincing enough to sell to the megacorps, and so there you have it. -----
Osiris04 Gallente Colonial Marines EVE Division	Posted - 2010.02.24 20:08:00 - [37] I am truly sorry I could not be there for this glorious occasion, my heart is glad that Intaki has been liberated. Excellent work to all that helped achieve this, it is always a pleasure to fly with you in the name of freedom and equality. Long live the Federation!
Jianni Sotaku Eleutherian Guard	Posted - 2010.02.24 20:45:00 - [38] Very Good.
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.02.24 21:18:00 - [39] Union crushing the State, Tribals obliterating the Crusaders, Providence on fire... will there be any enemies of oppression and slavery left once all is said and done?
Ghost Hunter Kinetic Vector	Posted - 2010.02.24 22:15:00 - [40] Edited by: Ghost Hunter on 24/02/2010 22:15:36 Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss Union crushing the State, Tribals obliterating the Crusaders, Providence on fire... will there be any enemies of oppression and slavery left once all is said and done? This confuses me. Did you mix up your sentence structure? ______ True Slave Foundations Overseer The Seven Events of the Apocalypse The fourth event is described by Macaper as ôthe appetite of nothing expands over the worldö;

Hussain Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2010.02.24 22:41:00 - [41] Thank to all that made this victory possible. Long live the Federation ! Intaki is free again !
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.02.24 23:18:00 - [42] Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 24/02/2010 23:26:13 Originally by: Ghost Hunter Edited by: Ghost Hunter on 24/02/2010 22:15:36 Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss Union crushing the State, Tribals obliterating the Crusaders, Providence on fire... will there be any enemies of oppression and slavery left once all is said and done? This confuses me. Did you mix up your sentence structure? not that i usually respond to pedantic comments like this but I refer you to the concept of writing with voice (convention) as opposed to academic structure. let me add some line breaks to help you: Union Crushing the state, Tribals Obliterating the Crusaders, Providence on Fireà Will there be any enemies of Oppression and Slavery left once all is said and done? My post was a bombastic statement that outlines the success of the various anti-amarr/caldari block forces and affirming that success on all fronts. I apologize if my flair confused you and hope my response cleared up any misunderstanding based on the use of Convention Writing. What can be said against Convention Writing and in favor of the Academic approach, is if the reader is in doubt they can always look up the rules of prose to answer any questions of comprehension over sentence structure. I do not often use Academic sentence structure.
Ghost Hunter Kinetic Vector	Posted - 2010.02.24 23:28:00 - [43] I see. That clarifies matters to a degree. I am not familiar with Matari forms as it has never been necessary before. ______ True Slave Foundations Overseer The Seven Events of the Apocalypse The fourth event is described by Macaper as ôthe appetite of nothing expands over the worldö;
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.02.24 23:32:00 - [44] Originally by: Ghost Hunter I see. That clarifies matters to a degree. I am not familiar with Matari forms as it has never been necessary before. well considering the translations involved to this [basic] we all use I imagine confusion abounds. still the point was congratulations on the tide of movement against the forces of tyranny. a lot left to do (Republic could finish the tribal council, Federals could give back voting rights, more alliances defecting in Providence) but its nice to see so much going right.
Gemma Naquist Kuomi Logistics	Posted - 2010.02.25 00:03:00 - [45] Originally by: Hussain Thank to all that made this victory possible. Long live the Federation ! Intaki is free again ! Freedom at the end of a gun barrel? You believe in an odd sort of "freedom," don't you Mr. Hussain? We get a lot of refugees here in Kuomi. Slaves or former slaves really. People. People who were slaves and then who were separated at gunpoint from their homes, their families, their lives and livelihood and taken to a far-off part of space and told, ôThis is your home. Sit here and be free.ö We find people who want to worship God, but who are abused verbally and sometimes physically for their faith. Yet they are supposed to be free to live life the way they want? The Federation and the Republic do love to go on about ôfreedomö donÆt they? Let me tell you a secret. People do not want that kind of ôfreedom.ö People donÆt want the freedom to be able to starve if they canÆt get a job because the ship they were in just disgorged a thousand other former slaves all looking for work. People donÆt want to be free to be taken to a space station, used as a human shield and then blown up. People donÆt want to face the cold reality of never seeing their friends and family again. People donÆt want to live with the freedom of ômight makes right.ö Especially when the bully who is exploiting that ômightö is their own government. I notice that the Gallente in this thread are the ones going on and on about making Intaki ôfree.ö Yet it is the people who are actually from Intaki who are saying, ôIf you want us to be free, then give us the freedom to make our own choices.ö People donÆt want freedom like that. People want Law. People want security. People want to know that their children are safe from criminals. People want to know that the next supply ship isnÆt going to get blown to smithereens by pirates under the employ of their own government. Caldari was once faced with the same decision you have before you Mr. Hawke. It is not an easy decision. Not until you look into the eyes of your children. Then the decision is very easy indeed. KUOMI LOGISTICS: The bright future, today!Ö
AncientGuardian Gallente Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative	Posted - 2010.02.25 00:37:00 - [46] Since I see several posts indicating my home is 'free' again. I have to ask... When to my people get their voting rights back? My wife and inlaws have yet to tell me their voting rights as native Intaki have been restored.... Just saying.... Freedom without a voice, isn't freedom. Grant it, being considered corporate property was not ideal for the last few months, but life before the war started again has not shown any sign of return, at least according to my friends back home. Quote: 'Last night I played a blank tape at full blast. The mime next door went nuts' Quote: If I ever saw an amputee getting hanged, I would start yelling out letters.
Val Erian Gallente Azure Horizon Federate Militia	Posted - 2010.02.25 01:08:00 - [47] Edited by: Val Erian on 25/02/2010 01:10:09 Originally by: AncientGuardian Since I see several posts indicating my home is 'free' again. I have to ask... When to my people get their voting rights back? My wife and inlaws have yet to tell me their voting rights as native Intaki have been restored.... Just saying.... Freedom without a voice, isn't freedom. Grant it, being considered corporate property was not ideal for the last few months, but life before the war started again has not shown any sign of return, at least according to my friends back home. I don't know...... since this all happened just today. Maybe you could wait another 24 hours? Just saying.....
Bhramin	Posted - 2010.02.25 01:53:00 - [48] Originally by: Mister Screwball Originally by: Fabulinus The claim was made that Ishukone is operating within the boundaries of Federal law and thus these convoys are being attacked without reason. That claim is either misinformed or disingenuous. Obviously the Federation does not recognize the Ishukone right to the system as it was obtained through an auction they did not legitimize. If what you say is true then the stations guns would activly fire on the haulers as the system is reclaimed and under fed control and they are obviously not welcome there in which case the haulers would leave the system otherwise you are wrong We are currently having issues re-initialising the station guns in Intaki, apparently they were sabotaged by State forces as they fled. This is unsurprising as they had time to prepare, watching their forces in surrounding systems crumble. It seems the station guns were programmed to ignore ishkone haulers, presumibably so the State sponsoured looting of Intaki could continue in the immediate aftermath of the system being liberated.
Faraelle Brightman Gallente Eleutherian Guard	Posted - 2010.02.25 01:54:00 - [49] Val's right, Ancient. My understanding of the No Vote Bill is that legally, it automatically no longer applies (but it doesn't mean formerly occupied worlds can cast votes retroactively for the last election or anything either). Practically? Communications are overloaded as traffic tries to get to and from Intaki as the blackout comes down and everyone is trying to get in touch with everyone else, I can't get a shuttle to planetside for any price just yet, Caldari Navy personnel are still being rounded and detained on the stations and everything is just a logistical mess. There's going to be dust flying for days yet. --- "Every once in a while, declare peace. It confuses the hell out of your enemies." Vote Up for FW: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1237480
Jonny Damordred Moira.	Posted - 2010.02.25 03:29:00 - [50] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss Union crushing the State, Tribals obliterating the Crusaders, Providence on fire... will there be any enemies of oppression and slavery left once all is said and done? Huh. --- Professor of Gunboat Diplomacy

Dex Nederland Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2010.02.25 03:46:00 - [51] Originally by: Andreus LeHane Lai Dai as the only megacorporation to have lost none of its systems, although it only has four to begin with - that should make you rather happy, I imagine, Dex. Incorrect, Esesier was liberated months ago. Originally by: Andreus LeHane I would definitely approve if a couple of the corporations went bankrupt from this. Would you approve if those same corporations shut down operations forming the basis of many local economies in the Federation? Originally by: Andreus Lehane Anything that makes the Caldari lose faith in Heth and put someone more reasonable in a position of leadership. Bankrupting the megacorporations will not achieve this, quite the opposite. Also, my sincere hope is that we do not end up with someone in charge, but instead return national level power to a more distributed power between the megacorporations acting in the best interest of all. Having someone in power is what led to this mess in the first place. Also, will you be able to do the same? Quote: Issue with State method of resource management. I am going to try and explain how State resource management works, realize it is different than the way the Federation does it. The State government, ie the CEP, CN, CBT, and HR, are not designed nor do they practice infrastructure & raw resource maintenance, control, management, distrubtion, etc on the scale of entire solar systems and constellations. When the State, colonized the Okkelen Constellation (Caldari COSMO Constellation), it was not a government program, NoH & Lai Dai were awarded the task of developing and managing the constellation. When it became clear that the State would have to administer and manage the systems for an extended period (the capture of all the territory was unexpected), it utilized the processes it already had in place. Originally by: Fabulinus The claim was made that Ishukone is operating within the boundaries of Federal law and thus these convoys are being attacked without reason. So, it is against Federal law for Ishukone convoys, likely departing from Ishukone stations in Federal space, to trade with Astral Mining in a system occupied by the Caldari State? Only 3 Caldari megacorporations lack legal facilities (and thus status) in the Federation: Hyasyoda, Lai Dai, and SuVee. Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss will there be any enemies of oppression and slavery left once all is said and done? They will need only to look in the mirror. CEO, Lai Dai Infinity Systems
Lief Siddhe Siddhean Inc. Intaki Prosperity Initiative	Posted - 2010.02.25 06:44:00 - [52] Edited by: Lief Siddhe on 25/02/2010 06:45:13 Maybe now would be the perfect time for chivalry. Let the representatives of the Federal Union and State Protectorate try to reach an agreement to leave this war of political lobbies away from the Intaki system and let the civilian government proceed with normalization of everyday life planetside. I would also like to ask all parties involved to refrain from attacking civilian targets, and if must be, target their war efforts on each other directly. We're immortal, but the vast majority of people trying to make a living in Placid are not. But everything tells me that this thing is far from over. With capsuleers, Federal, State, Serpentis, Mordu's and various corps present, the situation is more than volatile. I hope everybody keeps their cool as we eagerly await for official news from Intaki. I was somewhere around Old Man Star, on the edge of Essence, when drugs began to take hold...
Andreus LeHane Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.02.25 07:01:00 - [53] Originally by: Lief Siddhe Maybe now would be the perfect time for chivalry. Let the representatives of the Federal Union and State Protectorate try to reach an agreement to leave this war of political lobbies away from the Intaki system and let the civilian government proceed with normalization of everyday life planetside. A very nice idea. However, I feel that it will remain exactly that. -----
Lief Siddhe Siddhean Inc. Intaki Prosperity Initiative	Posted - 2010.02.25 07:31:00 - [54] I admit I am an advocate of peace and cooperation whenever possible. In the long run it always more productive for us all than war and aggression. Although I do understand they are but two faces of the same coin, forged among the stars. _____ I was somewhere around Old Man Star, on the edge of Essence, when drugs began to take hold...
Stitcher Caldari ForgeTech Industries	Posted - 2010.02.25 11:04:00 - [55] Edited by: Stitcher on 25/02/2010 11:04:54 Annoying as I find the bulk of the vocal Federal supporters I know, I'd be a hypocrite if I begrudged them the liberation of a homeworld. We shall see what the Ishukone response to this outcome is. If I'm right about the nature of their business dealings in Intaki, there may be a lot of very frustrated pilots in here before long... - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
Eelis Kiy Gallente Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2010.02.25 11:20:00 - [56] Congrats and thank you to all involved.
Yarod Cool Team JAVELIN Tread Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.25 11:26:00 - [57] Congrats to FDU. One Federation homeworld secured, one more to go.
Sanya Gallente Intaki Liberation Front	Posted - 2010.02.25 11:28:00 - [58] I will give the Gallente Federation the benefit of the doubt on this one. If this means you will frequently police the system against pirates, alongside of the Intaki Liberation Front, I will congratulate you. If you will let pirates roam freely and threaten or engage anyone, then it's all just words. Liberation is not accomplished through the overtaking of a pillbox, but through consecutive and continuos action. "Is this what you call a diplomatic solution?" "No, this is what we call Agressive Negotiations."
Che Biko Polytechnique Gallenteenne	Posted - 2010.02.25 14:30:00 - [59] Originally by: Val Erian But we have liberated other systems..... I guess Caldari occupation isnt a big deal to you. Check the map lately... No, I haven't checked lately, but to clarify; I was talking about all other sytems. And you guessed right about me not caring, the Federation degenerated a lot since Malkalen. Besides that, I don't care about any faction. It's part of the reason why I became a capsuleer: a chance to form your own nation. Originally by: ukiyo e The mega-corps made a foolish deal with the Caldari State in a fit of greed and ignorance. Ishukone is no exception. It is actually. I've heard that Ishukone had some financial troubles at the time of the system auction. But yet they invested money into aquiring a system that was most likely to receive top priority for "liberation"(high risk investment). The more I think about it, this doesn't seem like a business move. It's more like they tried to shield Intaki from corporations with even less altruistic motives. I don't believe that Ishukone exploited Intaki in a way that shooting on their civilian ships is justified. I don't believe that Alexander Noir crashed his Nyx into Ishukone HQ. I don't believe that Lars Kiormen was released. I have a hard time believing things that don't make sense.
Mister Screwball Minmatar	Posted - 2010.02.25 17:16:00 - [60] Originally by: Bhramin Originally by: Mister Screwball Originally by: Fabulinus The claim was made that Ishukone is operating within the boundaries of Federal law and thus these convoys are being attacked without reason. That claim is either misinformed or disingenuous. Obviously the Federation does not recognize the Ishukone right to the system as it was obtained through an auction they did not legitimize. If what you say is true then the stations guns would activly fire on the haulers as the system is reclaimed and under fed control and they are obviously not welcome there in which case the haulers would leave the system otherwise you are wrong We are currently having issues re-initialising the station guns in Intaki, apparently they were sabotaged by State forces as they fled. This is unsurprising as they had time to prepare, watching their forces in surrounding systems crumble. It seems the station guns were programmed to ignore ishkone haulers, presumibably so the State sponsoured looting of Intaki could continue in the immediate aftermath of the system being liberated. hah that must be the bigest pice of propaganda bull ive seen in a long time Throughout history no one has ever been able to sabotage station guns i mean if it was at all possible to do so both sides would have done so allready and they would most likely have them fire upon the militais not unarmed civilian transports. besides that capsleers have almost no interaction or acess to station gun protocols



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