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Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2010.02.24 13:38:00 -
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Edited by: Seriphyn Inhonores on 24/02/2010 13:46:53
Thanks to a combined effort over the past week of the Eleutherian Guard, the Azure Horizon Federate Militia, Mixed Metaphor, Moira., corporations of the Villore Accords and other units that I have not mentioned, the last remnants of the Provist occupation of the Intaki home system was crushed and decimated just hours ago, system control being asserted at approximately 13:37 Yulai Standard Time. Federation Navy units will begin deploying to secure the system within the next 24 hours.
A huge heartfelt thanks goes to all our comrades that helped make this monumental achievement possible. I'm sure that I can safely speak for our citizens and countrymen on Intaki Prime too.
Long live the Federation!
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Amenosiris
Gallente
Moira.
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Posted - 2010.02.24 13:42:00 -
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Edited by: Amenosiris on 24/02/2010 13:42:04
Good job everyone who helped in capturing Intaki!
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Sahaquiel Faust
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.02.24 13:45:00 -
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Edited by: Sahaquiel Faust on 24/02/2010 13:45:28
Vive La Federation!
I am an extremely happy man. Now I'm going to get some alcoholic beverages.
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Winged Crime
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.02.24 13:46:00 -
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Edited by: Winged Crime on 24/02/2010 13:48:39
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Andreus LeHane
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.02.24 13:46:00 -
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Despite the despotic machinations of the Provists.
Despite the uphill struggle against the State Protectorate.
Despite the poisoned words and hidden daggers of traitors and false friends.
Despite the derision of our enemies.
Through fire, ice, storm and the void itself we have returned. We have triumphed.
Intaki is ours again. We shall never surrender.
I must make preparations for a celebration.
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JiaLei Lian
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2010.02.24 13:49:00 -
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Would love to have a proper party now, but we're not quite done with bunkers yet. . . .
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Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
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Posted - 2010.02.24 13:55:00 -
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Edited by: Julianus Soter on 24/02/2010 13:56:16
A victory months in the making.
I offer my thanks to the many pilots of the FDU that contributed to this moment.
In particular, I would like to specifically recognize Aesis Tori, Amenosiris, Perunga, Gibbering Mute, Carlani Hudson, Jonny Damordred, and Calhdazar Zorm for their courageous action on behalf of Moira. in this campaign. They have been awarded the Star of Liberation for their participation in the Battle of Intaki.
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Fabulinus
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Posted - 2010.02.24 14:07:00 -
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Congratulations to various members of the Federal Militia forces, and my condolences to the various State Protectorate forces who participated in the conflict.
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JiaLei Lian
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2010.02.24 14:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Fabulinus
Congratulations to various members of the Federal Militia forces, and my condolences to the various State Protectorate forces who participated in the conflict.
Sadly, there were no State Protectorate units present to participate during today's operation.
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Carlani Hudson
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Posted - 2010.02.24 14:41:00 -
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This is a glorious day, as we're watching Intaki, and many other parts of Placid finally liberated !
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Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2010.02.24 14:44:00 -
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So, are you going to keep shooting at the Ishukone haulers trying to conduct business or can Ishukone final get on with working with the locals to improve Intaki's economy?
Since you have "liberated" Intaki, those haulers now fall under Federal laws and Ishukone is a corporation that presumably pays Federal taxes and already follows Federal law in Federal territory.
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Fabulinus
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Posted - 2010.02.24 14:46:00 -
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Edited by: Fabulinus on 24/02/2010 14:48:02
I suppose that is what a nation can expect when it allows its fate to be dictated by the transitory whims of the Capsuleers.
However, it is admittedly refreshing to see the tides turning towards a more balanced state of conflict. Perhaps in such a state peace can be more realistically pursued.
I myself am curious as to what the return on investment for the Caldari megacorporations was after spending such vast amounts of isk in acquiring these systems in a blind auction. I cannot imagine the Federation or the State intend to reimburse them, and I doubt further still that the short time they have been under megacorporation control has been long enough to turn a profit. I should be eager to hear an economist's take on what financial impact this will have on the State as a whole, particularly should the trend continue.
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Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2010.02.24 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Fabulinus
I myself am curious as to what the return on investment for the Caldari megacorporations was after spending such vast amounts of isk in acquiring these systems in a blind auction. I cannot imagine the Federation or the State intend to reimburse them, and I doubt further still that the short time they have been under megacorporation control has been long enough to turn a profit. I should be eager to hear an economist's take on what financial impact this will have on the State as a whole, particularly should the trend continue.
Each megacorporation will have to deal with it separately, some having invested more than others and paid more for development rights and having differing legal status in the Federation. Presumably there is a win-win-win scenario that is unlikely to happen, one in which the Federation "liberates" occupied systems, recognizes at limited develop rights (ie within Federal law) for the Caldari corporations operating in the area (3 of which already have stations), and a boost to Placid's economy.
In the State, economics is politics and right now the traditional rules of State politics are not necessarily occurring. There are a multitude of views of what is best for the State, among them those who would seek peace with the Federation in order to strengthen the State. KK's CEO, a very powerful man, is unlikely to support such a course, nor is the President of the Federation.
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Andreus LeHane
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.02.24 15:22:00 -
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Edited by: Andreus LeHane on 24/02/2010 15:24:29
Right now, Nugoeihuvi, CBD and Ishukone have lost out the most, having lost all the systems to which they purchased development rights. Hyasyoda has lost all but one of its systems, and their last remaining system, Agoze, seems set to fall within 24 hours. Kaalakiota and Wiyrkomi are steadily losing systems (although they both have a lot more to lose). Sukuuvestaa, to the best of my knowledge, have lost only one system, leaving Lai Dai as the only megacorporation to have lost none of its systems, although it only has four to begin with - that should make you rather happy, I imagine, Dex.
I cannot imagine any of these systems returned even remotely the amount of money that they had put into them. Even if they are recaptured by the Caldari at a later time, the disruption in operations which is sure to occur will probably cost even more money to fix.
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Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
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Posted - 2010.02.24 15:39:00 -
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I've already destroyed more Ishukone assets than I can truthfully estimate. The megacorporations themselves are at war with the Federation, and it was their ships that provided the bulk of the Invasion force during Algogille -> Luminaire.
Their actions speak for themselves. And now they shall suffer the price.
As was reported recently, the Megacorporations had moved vast amounts, up to possibly dozens of billions, of assets to all of these star systems. Operations to secure them are now underway.
I wonder what this will do for their stock prices.
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Andreus LeHane
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.02.24 15:50:00 -
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I would definitely approve if a couple of the corporations went bankrupt from this. Anything that makes the Caldari lose faith in Heth and put someone more reasonable in a position of leadership.
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Magnus Nordir
Caldari
Nordir Industries
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Posted - 2010.02.24 16:16:00 -
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Edited by: Magnus Nordir on 24/02/2010 16:16:29
There you have it, the Gallente continue to disregard even their own laws and continue to commit crimes against legitimate Caldari business interests. How is this not the same, in every way as the genocide they committed against our people in the first war?
Let's look at their reasoning:
-The systems somehow "belong" to them
(the same justification was made for the orbital bombardment of Caldari Prime)
-Because they believe the systems to belong to them, they are justified to commit genocide against Caldari civilians that happen to be there
(I honestly hope I don't have to point out why this is just plain wrong)
-The Corporations are somehow "at war" with the federation
(the corporations' economic envoys are operating legally under both Caldari and Gallente law and are not valid war targets)
Now kindly either start respecting your own laws and stop this genocide, or stop pretending to be a legal army and not a gang of cold-blooded criminal murderers.
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Mister Screwball
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.02.24 16:22:00 -
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as much as i hate to say it magnus is right with some of his points the caldari corperations are not technicaly at war with the federation they are civilian transports moving economic assets
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.02.24 16:30:00 -
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If they were conducting legitimate business operations the Station managers would fire on us and the haulers wouldn't need Mordus Legion enforcers to protect them.
We will keep killing the Ishukone haulers as long as they continue to transport stolen property out of Intaki.
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Mister Screwball
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.02.24 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: X Gallentius
If they were conducting legitimate business operations the Station managers would fire on us and the haulers wouldn't need Mordus Legion enforcers to protect them.
We will keep killing the Ishukone haulers as long as they continue to transport stolen property out of Intaki.
its low sec space as a result your allowed to do almost anything you want to do with little interferance and how do you know it is tolen property there trade ships and if it was stolen goods the station guns would open fire upon them as they are breaking concord law
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BloodBird
Nova Foundry
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Posted - 2010.02.24 16:42:00 -
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*Video feed starts*
Alexander Allisieer is smiling at the camera, a genuinely happy expression, in contrast to his somewhat depressed and grim self as of late. He wears a rather elaborate and expensive-looking Intaki robe and while the scar over the man's left eye remains, the eye itself is clearly healthy and working properly. He speaks to the camera's lens to a back-drop of an Intaki-made, grand building, wood and stone combined to make an aesthetically pleasing structure to house the planet's native population - numerous people mill about enjoying an elaborate, but controlled celebration.
"I would very much like to thanks every single person, federal or no, that helped in making this possible. None of us here know how long this state of affairs will last, but we sure will enjoy every moment. An old saying claims people don't know what they have until they don't have it anymore, and that's true. Every single day for the past 11 months people here have remained in a state of constant, nerve-wrecking worry for what the provists may or may not decide to do. And after Ishukone bought the 'rights' to the system the treat of becoming Caldari corporate property, whatever that might mean, have remained a highly possible outcome.
So thank you all."
The Intaki bows his head deeply in a show of thankfulness and respect.
"I wanted to say that, while I regret not being able to be there with you, the struggle and sacrifice you all do in the federal union's name fills me with pride on a daily basis - being able to keep up the struggle as effectively as you all do, you have proven to be stronger than me, by far. Keep it up soldiers, and I am more sure than ever, we will win this war."
An Amarrian woman, also wearing an elaborate Intaki robe, grabs the man from the right and drags him off out of the camera's view.
"Come on Alex, your going to miss the fun!"
*Feed ends*
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Eran Mintor
Minmatar
Valklear Guard
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Posted - 2010.02.24 16:43:00 -
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Edited by: Eran Mintor on 24/02/2010 16:45:27
Originally by: X Gallentius
If they were conducting legitimate business operations the Station managers would fire on us and the haulers wouldn't need Mordus Legion enforcers to protect them.
We will keep killing the Ishukone haulers as long as they continue to transport stolen property out of Intaki.
You have no proof of this, but then again, none of you needed any to start with, so I guess that point is not worth mentiong anymore.
Also, if you live your life only according to CONCORD law you will find your life to be void of morals. CONCORD is corrupt and majorly flawed; any man with two eyes can see that. If I were to shoot you, I would be shot at by CONCORD guns for unknown reasons. Now, if I were to go into high-sec and find some haulers traveling from one corporation's station to a different station....I could fire upon these civilians without any CONCORD intervention, and only the hauler's originating corporation (it's departing station) will protect their convoy with their station guns. Being that these Ishukone haulers are outside an Astral Survey station, the guns are not configured to defend these haulers, therefore the Mordus are needed.
So no....you're wrong, unfortunately. I wish they were stealing, then I wouldn't have to oppose this madness.
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Andreus LeHane
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.02.24 16:59:00 -
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An hour ago, Agoze was returned to Federal control. The battle for southern Placid has officially been won.
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Sinti Vailatti
Kuomi Logistics
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Posted - 2010.02.24 17:09:00 -
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Seriphyn!
What the hell? Siding with Moria? Chummer, those people are not nice. They're like pirates and terrorists. I mean, you do what you gotta do for your government, but to associate with criminals while you're doing it? That's wrong.
You make me sad old friend.
KUOMI LOGISTICS: The bright future, today!Ö |
Val Erian
Gallente
Azure Horizon Federate Militia
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Posted - 2010.02.24 17:25:00 -
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Edited by: Val Erian on 24/02/2010 17:27:43
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There you have it, the Gallente continue to disregard even their own laws and continue to commit crimes against legitimate Caldari business interests.
The usual Caldari thinking.... meddlesome, when one part of their operations makes a problem they reform and hide it inside their megacorps.......
Do you not remember that there was an 'AUCTION' by Someone or other who Sold things he didnt own? Thus not legit?
And now the megacorps can sue him for their 'rights' which despite the subterfuge by the Caldari here was considered 'ownership' of Federation Systems...
Its not only Caldari Navy and Ground forces being removed, its the 'control' purchsed by the megacorps. Of course legit interest are protected.... but legit interests are not Caldari Corporate Security forces, Projects and materials brought in for 'development' etc
And since when are the megacorps 'not the State' suddenly..... only when its convinent I guess.
Sue your own dictator for the isk back.....
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Che Biko
Polytechnique Gallenteenne
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Posted - 2010.02.24 17:26:00 -
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With the only wise remarks coming from non-Gallentean pilots, it's no surprise that I feel increasingly out of place in the Federation. If any Caldari corporation deserves FDU friendship, it's Ishukone. Intaki may be a great symbolic victory, but in my opinion, other systems are more in need of "liberation", if there's any need at all.
But I suppose grunts are too busy with their bloodshed to keep up with politics, or history, for that matter.
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Val Erian
Gallente
Azure Horizon Federate Militia
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Posted - 2010.02.24 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Che Biko
With the only wise remarks coming from non-Gallentean pilots, it's no surprise that I feel increasingly out of place in the Federation. If any Caldari corporation deserves FDU friendship, it's Ishukone. Intaki may be a great symbolic victory, but in my opinion, other systems are more in need of "liberation", if there's any need at all.
But I suppose grunts are too busy with their bloodshed to keep up with politics, or history, for that matter.
But we have liberated other systems..... I guess Caldari occupation isnt a big deal to you. Check the map lately...
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dibblebill
Beyond Our Sins
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Posted - 2010.02.24 18:04:00 -
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Edited by: dibblebill on 24/02/2010 18:04:32
Originally by: Che Biko
With the only wise remarks coming from non-Gallentean pilots, it's no surprise that I feel increasingly out of place in the Federation. If any Caldari corporation deserves FDU friendship, it's Ishukone. Intaki may be a great symbolic victory, but in my opinion, other systems are more in need of "liberation", if there's any need at all.
But I suppose grunts are too busy with their bloodshed to keep up with politics, or history, for that matter.
Interestingly, Ishukone is the one corporation that has tried to remain civil and levelheaded since Heth came to power, and haven't gone on a xenophobic hate march. Just noting.
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Val Erian
Gallente
Azure Horizon Federate Militia
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Posted - 2010.02.24 18:41:00 -
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Edited by: Val Erian on 24/02/2010 18:41:48
From some of the posts here it sounds like people think we should apologize for removing Caldari Military/Corporate Occupation forces from Federation Sovereign Systems......
Please leave your petitions in the designated bin.
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Mister Screwball
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.02.24 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Val Erian
Edited by: Val Erian on 24/02/2010 18:41:48
From some of the posts here it sounds like people think we should apologize for removing Caldari Military/Corporate Occupation forces from Federation Sovereign Systems......
Please leave your petitions in the designated bin.
Dont mistake these posts as negtive towards you retaking the systems its good to see the FDU fighting back. Im assuming most people are frowning on the shooting of civilian haulers belonging to the caldari mega corps concidering ishukone seem to bee the main focus of the hauler kills and they are the most positive towards the federation
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Annie Anomie
Gallente
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2010.02.24 19:12:00 -
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How can you shoot civilian haulers?
Easy, you don't lead em so much 
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Fabulinus
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Posted - 2010.02.24 19:28:00 -
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The claim was made that Ishukone is operating within the boundaries of Federal law and thus these convoys are being attacked without reason. That claim is either misinformed or disingenuous. Obviously the Federation does not recognize the Ishukone right to the system as it was obtained through an auction they did not legitimize. Thus, from a Federal perspective, an Ishukone hauler is operating in direct violation of the law and using its armed escorts as thugs to enforce it, thus making them a legitimate target.
It is indeed unfortunate that Ishukone, which has taken such apparent efforts to be peaceable, is receiving the level of wrath and scorn from much of the Federal Militia forces that is does. Whether it is deserved or not is a debatable matter, but they certainly appear to be less deserving of it than their counterparts.
All that said, I tend to believe that on the whole the Gallente victory in the system was a righteous one. The Intaki people, just as any other, should not be excised from the Federation they joined freely through force of Caldari arms.
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Eran Mintor
Minmatar
Valklear Guard
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Posted - 2010.02.24 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Fabulinus
The Intaki people, just as any other, should not be excised from the Federation they joined freely through force of Caldari arms.
No, they shouldn't. Unfortuantely it was the Gallente government that removed their right to vote. Good thing they have it back now, but they can only blame themselves (the Federation).
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Mister Screwball
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.02.24 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Fabulinus
The claim was made that Ishukone is operating within the boundaries of Federal law and thus these convoys are being attacked without reason. That claim is either misinformed or disingenuous. Obviously the Federation does not recognize the Ishukone right to the system as it was obtained through an auction they did not legitimize.
If what you say is true then the stations guns would activly fire on the haulers as the system is reclaimed and under fed control and they are obviously not welcome there in which case the haulers would leave the system otherwise you are wrong
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ukiyo e
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Posted - 2010.02.24 19:49:00 -
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Quote:
The memo specifies that winning bids are effectively entering a three-party agreement with the State and with all other mega-corporations; this agreement honors the rights of the bidder to hold title over all "resources, property, and opportunities" developed within the system. The deal is binding irrespective of sovereignty changes. However, the CPD makes it clear that no additional national resources are to be allocated to protect mega-corporate activities from Federation militia counterattacks "unless directed as part of strategic Caldari naval operations in the vicinity."
The mega-corps made a foolish deal with the Caldari State in a fit of greed and ignorance. Ishukone is no exception. Did they never anticipate a time when the Gallente would return? The Caldari certainly did when they included provisions such as "The deal is binding irrespective of sovereignty changes". Say what you will about Ishukone being "positive towards the federation", but they still purchased something that never actually belonged to them. Every destroyed Ishukone ship is a reminder to the people who hold power in New Eden that they reap what they sow.
My congratulations go out to the many brave pilots that took part in the concerted effort that resulted in this victory.
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Andreus LeHane
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.02.24 20:06:00 -
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Of course, the people who are making the real bucks here are the board members of the Providence Directorate, who are making money off of all the bridges they sold to greedy, gullible megacorporations. It's absolutely staggering, and yet deeply amusing in an ironic sort of manner that the thing that screwed the megacorporations over was the exact principle upon which the Caldari State operates - unrestricted meritocratic capitalism. The Directorate were convincing enough to sell to the megacorps, and so there you have it.
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Osiris04
Gallente
Colonial Marines EVE Division
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Posted - 2010.02.24 20:08:00 -
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I am truly sorry I could not be there for this glorious occasion, my heart is glad that Intaki has been liberated. Excellent work to all that helped achieve this, it is always a pleasure to fly with you in the name of freedom and equality. Long live the Federation!
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Jianni Sotaku
Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2010.02.24 20:45:00 -
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Very Good.
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
DAEDALUS X
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.24 21:18:00 -
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Union crushing the State, Tribals obliterating the Crusaders, Providence on fire...
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Ghost Hunter
Kinetic Vector
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Posted - 2010.02.24 22:15:00 -
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Edited by: Ghost Hunter on 24/02/2010 22:15:36
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
Union crushing the State, Tribals obliterating the Crusaders, Providence on fire...
will there be any enemies of oppression and slavery left once all is said and done?
This confuses me. Did you mix up your sentence structure?
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The Seven Events of the Apocalypse
The fourth event is described by Macaper as ôthe appetite of nothing expands over the worldö; |
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Hussain
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2010.02.24 22:41:00 -
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Thank to all that made this victory possible.
Long live the Federation !
Intaki is free again !
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
DAEDALUS X
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.24 23:18:00 -
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Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 24/02/2010 23:26:13
Originally by: Ghost Hunter
Edited by: Ghost Hunter on 24/02/2010 22:15:36
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
Union crushing the State, Tribals obliterating the Crusaders, Providence on fire...
will there be any enemies of oppression and slavery left once all is said and done?
This confuses me. Did you mix up your sentence structure?
not that i usually respond to pedantic comments like this but I refer you to the concept of writing with voice (convention) as opposed to academic structure.
let me add some line breaks to help you:
Union Crushing the state,
Tribals Obliterating the Crusaders,
Providence on Fireà
Will there be any enemies of Oppression and Slavery left
once all is said and done?
My post was a bombastic statement that outlines the success of the various anti-amarr/caldari block forces and affirming that success on all fronts. I apologize if my flair confused you and hope my response cleared up any misunderstanding based on the use of Convention Writing.
What can be said against Convention Writing and in favor of the Academic approach, is if the reader is in doubt they can always look up the rules of prose to answer any questions of comprehension over sentence structure.
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Ghost Hunter
Kinetic Vector
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Posted - 2010.02.24 23:28:00 -
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I see. That clarifies matters to a degree. I am not familiar with Matari forms as it has never been necessary before.
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The Seven Events of the Apocalypse
The fourth event is described by Macaper as ôthe appetite of nothing expands over the worldö; |
Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
DAEDALUS X
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.24 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Ghost Hunter
I see. That clarifies matters to a degree. I am not familiar with Matari forms as it has never been necessary before.
well considering the translations involved to this [basic] we all use I imagine confusion abounds.
still the point was congratulations on the tide of movement against the forces of tyranny.
a lot left to do (Republic could finish the tribal council, Federals could give back voting rights, more alliances defecting in Providence) but its nice to see so much going right.
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Gemma Naquist
Kuomi Logistics
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Posted - 2010.02.25 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Hussain
Thank to all that made this victory possible.
Long live the Federation !
Intaki is free again !
Freedom at the end of a gun barrel?
You believe in an odd sort of "freedom," don't you Mr. Hussain?
We get a lot of refugees here in Kuomi. Slaves or former slaves really. People. People who were slaves and then who were separated at gunpoint from their homes, their families, their lives and livelihood and taken to a far-off part of space and told, ôThis is your home. Sit here and be free.ö We find people who want to worship God, but who are abused verbally and sometimes physically for their faith. Yet they are supposed to be free to live life the way they want?
The Federation and the Republic do love to go on about ôfreedomö donÆt they? Let me tell you a secret. People do not want that kind of ôfreedom.ö People donÆt want the freedom to be able to starve if they canÆt get a job because the ship they were in just disgorged a thousand other former slaves all looking for work. People donÆt want to be free to be taken to a space station, used as a human shield and then blown up. People donÆt want to face the cold reality of never seeing their friends and family again.
People donÆt want to live with the freedom of ômight makes right.ö Especially when the bully who is exploiting that ômightö is their own government.
I notice that the Gallente in this thread are the ones going on and on about making Intaki ôfree.ö Yet it is the people who are actually from Intaki who are saying, ôIf you want us to be free, then give us the freedom to make our own choices.ö
People donÆt want freedom like that. People want Law. People want security. People want to know that their children are safe from criminals. People want to know that the next supply ship isnÆt going to get blown to smithereens by pirates under the employ of their own government.
Caldari was once faced with the same decision you have before you Mr. Hawke. It is not an easy decision. Not until you look into the eyes of your children. Then the decision is very easy indeed.
KUOMI LOGISTICS: The bright future, today!Ö |
AncientGuardian
Gallente
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2010.02.25 00:37:00 -
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Since I see several posts indicating my home is 'free' again.
I have to ask...
When to my people get their voting rights back? My wife and inlaws have yet to tell me their voting rights as native Intaki have been restored....
Just saying....
Freedom without a voice, isn't freedom.
Grant it, being considered corporate property was not ideal for the last few months, but life before the war started again has not shown any sign of return, at least according to my friends back home.
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'Last night I played a blank tape at full blast. The mime next door went nuts'
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If I ever saw an amputee getting hanged, I would start yelling out letters.
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Val Erian
Gallente
Azure Horizon Federate Militia
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Posted - 2010.02.25 01:08:00 -
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Edited by: Val Erian on 25/02/2010 01:10:09
Originally by: AncientGuardian
Since I see several posts indicating my home is 'free' again.
I have to ask...
When to my people get their voting rights back? My wife and inlaws have yet to tell me their voting rights as native Intaki have been restored....
Just saying....
Freedom without a voice, isn't freedom.
Grant it, being considered corporate property was not ideal for the last few months, but life before the war started again has not shown any sign of return, at least according to my friends back home.
I don't know...... since this all happened just today. Maybe you could wait another 24 hours? Just saying.....
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Bhramin
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Posted - 2010.02.25 01:53:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Mister Screwball
Originally by: Fabulinus
The claim was made that Ishukone is operating within the boundaries of Federal law and thus these convoys are being attacked without reason. That claim is either misinformed or disingenuous. Obviously the Federation does not recognize the Ishukone right to the system as it was obtained through an auction they did not legitimize.
If what you say is true then the stations guns would activly fire on the haulers as the system is reclaimed and under fed control and they are obviously not welcome there in which case the haulers would leave the system otherwise you are wrong
We are currently having issues re-initialising the station guns in Intaki, apparently they were sabotaged by State forces as they fled. This is unsurprising as they had time to prepare, watching their forces in surrounding systems crumble. It seems the station guns were programmed to ignore ishkone haulers, presumibably so the State sponsoured looting of Intaki could continue in the immediate aftermath of the system being liberated.
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Faraelle Brightman
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2010.02.25 01:54:00 -
[49]
Val's right, Ancient. My understanding of the No Vote Bill is that legally, it automatically no longer applies (but it doesn't mean formerly occupied worlds can cast votes retroactively for the last election or anything either).
Practically? Communications are overloaded as traffic tries to get to and from Intaki as the blackout comes down and everyone is trying to get in touch with everyone else, I can't get a shuttle to planetside for any price just yet, Caldari Navy personnel are still being rounded and detained on the stations and everything is just a logistical mess. There's going to be dust flying for days yet.
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"Every once in a while, declare peace. It confuses the hell out of your enemies."
Vote Up for FW: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1237480
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Jonny Damordred
Moira.
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Posted - 2010.02.25 03:29:00 -
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Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
Union crushing the State, Tribals obliterating the Crusaders, Providence on fire...
will there be any enemies of oppression and slavery left once all is said and done?
Huh.
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Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2010.02.25 03:46:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus LeHane
Lai Dai as the only megacorporation to have lost none of its systems, although it only has four to begin with - that should make you rather happy, I imagine, Dex.
Incorrect, Esesier was liberated months ago.
Originally by: Andreus LeHane
I would definitely approve if a couple of the corporations went bankrupt from this.
Would you approve if those same corporations shut down operations forming the basis of many local economies in the Federation?
Originally by: Andreus Lehane
Anything that makes the Caldari lose faith in Heth and put someone more reasonable in a position of leadership.
Bankrupting the megacorporations will not achieve this, quite the opposite. Also, my sincere hope is that we do not end up with someone in charge, but instead return national level power to a more distributed power between the megacorporations acting in the best interest of all. Having someone in power is what led to this mess in the first place.
Also, will you be able to do the same?
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Issue with State method of resource management.
I am going to try and explain how State resource management works, realize it is different than the way the Federation does it.
The State government, ie the CEP, CN, CBT, and HR, are not designed nor do they practice infrastructure & raw resource maintenance, control, management, distrubtion, etc on the scale of entire solar systems and constellations.
When the State, colonized the Okkelen Constellation (Caldari COSMO Constellation), it was not a government program, NoH & Lai Dai were awarded the task of developing and managing the constellation.
When it became clear that the State would have to administer and manage the systems for an extended period (the capture of all the territory was unexpected), it utilized the processes it already had in place.
Originally by: Fabulinus
The claim was made that Ishukone is operating within the boundaries of Federal law and thus these convoys are being attacked without reason.
So, it is against Federal law for Ishukone convoys, likely departing from Ishukone stations in Federal space, to trade with Astral Mining in a system occupied by the Caldari State?
Only 3 Caldari megacorporations lack legal facilities (and thus status) in the Federation: Hyasyoda, Lai Dai, and SuVee.
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
will there be any enemies of oppression and slavery left once all is said and done?
They will need only to look in the mirror.
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Lief Siddhe
Siddhean Inc.
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2010.02.25 06:44:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Lief Siddhe on 25/02/2010 06:45:13
Maybe now would be the perfect time for chivalry.
Let the representatives of the Federal Union and State Protectorate try to reach an agreement to leave this war of political lobbies away from the Intaki system and let the civilian government proceed with normalization of everyday life planetside.
I would also like to ask all parties involved to refrain from attacking civilian targets, and if must be, target their war efforts on each other directly. We're immortal, but the vast majority of people trying to make a living in Placid are not.
But everything tells me that this thing is far from over. With capsuleers, Federal, State, Serpentis, Mordu's and various corps present, the situation is more than volatile.
I hope everybody keeps their cool as we eagerly await for official news from Intaki.
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Andreus LeHane
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.02.25 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lief Siddhe
Maybe now would be the perfect time for chivalry.
Let the representatives of the Federal Union and State Protectorate try to reach an agreement to leave this war of political lobbies away from the Intaki system and let the civilian government proceed with normalization of everyday life planetside.
A very nice idea.
However, I feel that it will remain exactly that.
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Lief Siddhe
Siddhean Inc.
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2010.02.25 07:31:00 -
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I admit I am an advocate of peace and cooperation whenever possible. In the long run it always more productive for us all than war and aggression.
Although I do understand they are but two faces of the same coin, forged among the stars.
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Stitcher
Caldari
ForgeTech Industries
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Posted - 2010.02.25 11:04:00 -
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Edited by: Stitcher on 25/02/2010 11:04:54
Annoying as I find the bulk of the vocal Federal supporters I know, I'd be a hypocrite if I begrudged them the liberation of a homeworld.
We shall see what the Ishukone response to this outcome is. If I'm right about the nature of their business dealings in Intaki, there may be a lot of very frustrated pilots in here before long...
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Eelis Kiy
Gallente
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2010.02.25 11:20:00 -
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Congrats and thank you to all involved.
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Yarod Cool
Team JAVELIN
Tread Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.25 11:26:00 -
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Congrats to FDU.
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Sanya
Gallente
Intaki Liberation Front
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Posted - 2010.02.25 11:28:00 -
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I will give the Gallente Federation the benefit of the doubt on this one.
If this means you will frequently police the system against pirates, alongside of the Intaki Liberation Front, I will congratulate you.
If you will let pirates roam freely and threaten or engage anyone, then it's all just words.
Liberation is not accomplished through the overtaking of a pillbox, but through consecutive and continuos action.
"Is this what you call a diplomatic solution?"
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Che Biko
Polytechnique Gallenteenne
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Posted - 2010.02.25 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Val Erian
But we have liberated other systems..... I guess Caldari occupation isnt a big deal to you. Check the map lately...
No, I haven't checked lately, but to clarify; I was talking about all other sytems. And you guessed right about me not caring, the Federation degenerated a lot since Malkalen. Besides that, I don't care about any faction. It's part of the reason why I became a capsuleer: a chance to form your own nation.
Originally by: ukiyo e
The mega-corps made a foolish deal with the Caldari State in a fit of greed and ignorance. Ishukone is no exception.
It is actually. I've heard that Ishukone had some financial troubles at the time of the system auction. But yet they invested money into aquiring a system that was most likely to receive top priority for "liberation"(high risk investment). The more I think about it, this doesn't seem like a business move. It's more like they tried to shield Intaki from corporations with even less altruistic motives.
I don't believe that Ishukone exploited Intaki in a way that shooting on their civilian ships is justified.
I don't believe that Alexander Noir crashed his Nyx into Ishukone HQ.
I don't believe that Lars Kiormen was released.
I have a hard time believing things that don't make sense.
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Mister Screwball
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.02.25 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Bhramin
Originally by: Mister Screwball
Originally by: Fabulinus
The claim was made that Ishukone is operating within the boundaries of Federal law and thus these convoys are being attacked without reason. That claim is either misinformed or disingenuous. Obviously the Federation does not recognize the Ishukone right to the system as it was obtained through an auction they did not legitimize.
If what you say is true then the stations guns would activly fire on the haulers as the system is reclaimed and under fed control and they are obviously not welcome there in which case the haulers would leave the system otherwise you are wrong
We are currently having issues re-initialising the station guns in Intaki, apparently they were sabotaged by State forces as they fled. This is unsurprising as they had time to prepare, watching their forces in surrounding systems crumble. It seems the station guns were programmed to ignore ishkone haulers, presumibably so the State sponsoured looting of Intaki could continue in the immediate aftermath of the system being liberated.
hah that must be the bigest pice of propaganda bull ive seen in a long time
Throughout history no one has ever been able to sabotage station guns i mean if it was at all possible to do so both sides would have done so allready and they would most likely have them fire upon the militais not unarmed civilian transports. besides that capsleers have almost no interaction or acess to station gun protocols
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Radix Salvilines
Shadow Veil Industrial
Shadow Directive
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Posted - 2010.02.25 18:11:00 -
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congratulations to everyone that made it possible!!
Intaki is something gallente citizens needed for a long time to cheer up.
Go FDU knights go, in the name of freedom!
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Zuzanna Alondra
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
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Posted - 2010.02.25 23:44:00 -
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I don't know wiether I should be happy or cry.
As my first thought when I heard the news was, "How long until war breaks out again from the State trying to take the systems back?"
Something tells me for a peaceful people, it's going to be a long time before there is hope of the night sky above being peaceful again.
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Arthur Black
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.02.28 23:53:00 -
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Congratulations on you victory. Very well done indeed. |
Gorion Wassenar
Caldari
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.03.01 00:50:00 -
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Originally by: Dex Nederland
Also, my sincere hope is that we do not end up with someone in charge, but instead return national level power to a more distributed power between the megacorporations acting in the best interest of all. Having someone in power is what led to this mess in the first place.
In this we agree. The usurpation of Heth and his thugs over the CEP was a mistake of the highest order.
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rageface212
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Posted - 2010.03.25 13:19:00 -
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i am kinda sad at the fact that gallente capsuleers are so proud of their actions. as far as taking back intake and the other systems, you should be proud, but firing on the civilian transports? "Freedom" and "Justice" dont mean much outside of a gallente ship?
besides this i have seen nothing to convince me that any of the development attempts were against gallente law. as far as i can tell, the megacorporations entered into an internal agreement when they bid in the auction. basically i see it not as a auction of the systems, but as the auction of the agreement to be the only megacorp to develop the systems. under this definition, there is nothing illegal about caldari megacorps building or developing in these systems, and the aggression from gallente pilots against civilian installations and ships is nothing but genocide and a war crime.
what most gallente seem to forget is that the megacorps are not inherently involved in the war. it would be like caldari pilots destroying all creodron or astral mining assets in a system they occupy. caldari megacorps are not war targets just because they develop in a disputed system. the gallente are at war with THE CALDARI STATE. the megacorps have developed in other gallente systems which were not even contested or even close to the caldari border, so why is this different? as far as i can tell its all just gallente self-righteousness.
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.03.26 15:58:00 -
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This criticism is about 2 months too late - and completely uncalled for.
Now that Intaki has been liberated, the vast majority of FDU capsuleers have honored the request, however strange and ridiculous, of the Intaki Assembly to not engage Ishukone haulers.
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Syyl'ara
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Posted - 2010.03.26 17:29:00 -
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Edited by: Syyl''ara on 26/03/2010 17:32:19
Originally by: X Gallentius
This criticism is about 2 months too late - and completely uncalled for.
Now that Intaki has been liberated, the vast majority of FDU capsuleers have honored the request, however strange and ridiculous, of the Intaki Assembly to not engage Ishukone haulers.
A vast majority of our armed forces are not opening fire on civilians, therefore please do overlook the ones who are.
Is that the official stance of the Federal government or just words from an apologist?
Wouldn't it be wonderful if null-sec politics worked this way? Hey, sorry our roaming gang shot your ship out from under you, but don't set us red, I'd remind you there are 2,995 other pilots in this 3000-man organization who haven't shot you, what about them?!?!
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Andreus LeHane
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.03.26 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Syyl'ara
A vast majority of our armed forces are not opening fire on civilians, therefore please do overlook the ones who are.
The vast majority of Intaki Separatists are not terrorist thugs (INTAKI UNION) or racist eugenicists (Intaki Pure) - please ignore the ones who are!
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Syyl'ara
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Posted - 2010.03.26 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus LeHane
Originally by: Syyl'ara
A vast majority of our armed forces are not opening fire on civilians, therefore please do overlook the ones who are.
The vast majority of Intaki Separatists are not terrorist thugs (INTAKI UNION) or racist eugenicists (Intaki Pure) - please ignore the ones who are!
What an enlightening demonstration, then, of how the Federation doesn't provide any better offer to the Intaki people than what they're capable of delivering themselves. With increased autonomy they could at least pursue interests beneficial to themselves rather than participating in an institution that has largely delivered only neglect and seen its most impassioned proponents criticised and exiled. |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.03.27 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Syyl'ara
A vast majority of our armed forces are not opening fire on civilians, therefore please do overlook the ones who are.
I would like an unbiased account from the IPI. Have the haulers been attacked by FDU pod pilots since the request was made by the Intaki Assembly?
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Mammal Tafren
Gallente
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2010.03.27 01:43:00 -
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I do not speak for the IPI - that's for IPI leadership, but as an Intaki resident I would like to note that I have not seen any FDU pilots fire on Ishukone ships for quite some time now, and with the exception of a few jokers, the actions of the FDU in Intaki have been honourable.
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Nachshon
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.14 19:17:00 -
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Good shooting, my friends!
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Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship.
The True Meaning of Freedom
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Jon Engel
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2010.04.15 21:46:00 -
[73]
Originally by: X Gallentius
Originally by: Syyl'ara
A vast majority of our armed forces are not opening fire on civilians, therefore please do overlook the ones who are.
I would like an unbiased account from the IPI. Have the haulers been attacked by FDU pod pilots since the request was made by the Intaki Assembly?
Yes...
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Jyotmimana Karana
Intaki Pure
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Posted - 2010.04.16 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus LeHane
The vast majority of Intaki Separatists are not terrorist thugs (INTAKI UNION) or racist eugenicists (Intaki Pure) - please ignore the ones who are!
Phantomas was an honorable follower the Ida and believed that the pain of a violent revolution was ultimately less harmful than the slow degradation of Intaki culture and heritage we see today. I am honored to be held in disdain with him by the likes of you, Andreus.
Gallentaki apologists like you are the reason we find ourselves in the situation we are in right now. If more of our people had the vision and fortitude of Phantomas, our people would not be splintered and Intaki customs and heritage would not be at risk of being lost forever.
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Jesmine Kyriel
Amarr
House Kyriel Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.16 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Jyotmimana Karana
Originally by: Andreus LeHane
The vast majority of Intaki Separatists are not terrorist thugs (INTAKI UNION) or racist eugenicists (Intaki Pure) - please ignore the ones who are!
Phantomas was an honorable follower the Ida and believed that the pain of a violent revolution was ultimately less harmful than the slow degradation of Intaki culture and heritage we see today. I am honored to be held in disdain with him by the likes of you, Andreus.
Gallentaki apologists like you are the reason we find ourselves in the situation we are in right now. If more of our people had the vision and fortitude of Phantomas, our people would not be splintered and Intaki customs and heritage would not be at risk of being lost forever.
I'm not sure if it's a good or bad sign, but even I find your conduct horribly dishonorable. Any man or woman worth their salt should strive always to safeguard their people in the best way possible for them. Sowing dissent and division among them is not the way.
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