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Yue Xiang Caldari Signus Shipyards	Posted - 2010.02.24 23:02:00 - [1] Edited by: Yue Xiang on 24/02/2010 23:02:31 my current nighthawk fit is lows 4x dread gurista bcu 1x internal forcefield array med 1x vepas shield boost amplifier 2x dread gurista invul field 1x photon hardener 1x pithum a-type med booster highs 6x hml - scourge fury 1x drone control aug rigs 2x ccc IIs is a tengu better? i saw fittings but i dont know how to compare It is better to light a candle, than to curse the darkness
N Ano Caldari Zerg Corp	Posted - 2010.02.24 23:08:00 - [2] Yes the tengu is better.
Yue Xiang Caldari Signus Shipyards	Posted - 2010.02.24 23:12:00 - [3] does not help me understand why tengu is better what are the pros / cons tengu have better tank / dps? what are the setups / fittings? It is better to light a candle, than to curse the darkness
Kail Storm Caldari Dark Taboo	Posted - 2010.02.24 23:14:00 - [4] Tengu is alot better... Imagine you getting a 50% active tanking bonus above what your NH gets, about 100ish dps more and a massive speed and agility boost ontop of a way smaller sig radius... Thats the Diff If you run, You`ll only die tired :)
Comboduck Two Brothers Mining Corp. R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.02.24 23:17:00 - [5] Originally by: Kail Storm Tengu is alot better... Imagine you getting a 50% active tanking bonus above what your NH gets, about 100ish dps more and a massive speed and agility boost ontop of a way smaller sig radius... Thats the Diff ^ this Working towards a price for the most inconstructive/pointless comments, stay tuned! Edit: Sometimes I try and be helpful
Mike712	Posted - 2010.02.24 23:56:00 - [6] Originally by: Yue Xiang does not help me understand why tengu is better This tengu is capable of almost 1000 DPS(with 5% ROF and HAM damage implants) [Tengu, HAM Tengu] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Domination 10MN Afterburner Domination Target Painter Domination Target Painter Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Yue Xiang Caldari Signus Shipyards	Posted - 2010.02.25 00:03:00 - [7] how are the hmls on tengu? the two key factors for me mission running is unbreakable tank i sometimes bsod/lose i-net connection so this is important It is better to light a candle, than to curse the darkness
Yue Xiang Caldari Signus Shipyards	Posted - 2010.02.25 00:09:00 - [8] nighthawk can use drones so when i do my math my dps is around 900 or so. i have no trouble w/my tank and my omni tank serves me well hows the tengu in this regard? how does it handle aggroing an entire field? lol im getting bored of my nighthawk and tengu seems like an epic toy. It is better to light a candle, than to curse the darkness
Kittel Caldari Black Rise Angels Dead Reckoning Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.25 00:35:00 - [9] HAM on PvE is too much work, HM will be fine and faster, then floating all over trying to close range. 530-600m/s is slow, perspective DPS on NH is higher with HM (with exp vel bonus), don't kid yourselves, HAM higher dps, but not a PvE weapon system, overall. drones on NH also help considerably
Yue Xiang Caldari Signus Shipyards	Posted - 2010.02.25 02:14:00 - [10] any pros to using a nighthawk over a tengu / except the hml on nighthawk. It is better to light a candle, than to curse the darkness

Kia Tor	Posted - 2010.02.25 02:27:00 - [11] ISK........Nighthawk is way cheaper to buy.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.02.25 02:35:00 - [12] Originally by: Kia Tor ISK........Nighthawk is way cheaper to buy. with a fit like that I doubt isk is the issue... also using a more efficient ship usually pays for itself rather quickly.
Kail Storm Caldari Dark Taboo	Posted - 2010.02.25 02:54:00 - [13] Originally by: Kittel Edited by: Kittel on 25/02/2010 01:14:46 HAM on PvE is too much work, HM will be fine and faster, then floating all over trying to close range. 530-600m/s is slow, perspective, MWD, not usable in most missions turns you into a titan (sig rad) and without the AB the tengu is 1/2 the speed tank (though still good, sort of) DPS on NH is higher with HM (with exp vel bonus), don't kid yourselves, HAM higher dps, but not a PvE weapon system, overall. drones on NH also help considerably DPS on NH is higher with HM is not true at all Im sorry but the Expl Vel bonus only is good with smaller ships which the Tengu`s extra 100-150 DPS more than makes up for...Also you have an extra rig slot to make up the diff as well. Tengu is better by far, Tank is way better, speed way better, and You never ever use a MWD in missions esp since the Tengu has a AB bonus and hauls ass with 50% AB bonus You can full aggro any room in a LVl 4 and be absolutely fine...IMO the Tengu`s tank is the Best active in Game. If you run, You`ll only die tired :)
Yue Xiang Caldari Signus Shipyards	Posted - 2010.02.25 03:11:00 - [14] i just bought the tengu - question are the tengu upgrades interchangeable? how is the adaptive shielding? It is better to light a candle, than to curse the darkness
Kail Storm Caldari Dark Taboo	Posted - 2010.02.25 04:00:00 - [15] Edited by: Kail Storm on 25/02/2010 04:02:57 All your mods are perfect that I saw except use more racial shield hardeners, here is the best tengu setup I found its 4 lows 6 meds 6 hi`s Once again heres the fit read the subs and buy these [Tengu, Fit your mods in] Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Photon Scattering Field II Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster Vepas' Modified Shield Boost Amplifier Gistum B-Type 10MN Afterburner [empty med slot] Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Buy these subs and fill in last med to fit, this one has 642 DPS but yours will be 700 Also buy a good faction Afterburner ....AB IS A MUST ON THE TENGU...Its the reason nothin can hit you, that and its sig size. If you run, You`ll only die tired :)
Yue Xiang Caldari Signus Shipyards	Posted - 2010.02.25 05:10:00 - [16] Originally by: Kail Storm Edited by: Kail Storm on 25/02/2010 04:02:57 All your mods are perfect that I saw except use more racial shield hardeners, here is the best tengu setup I found its 4 lows 6 meds 6 hi`s Once again heres the fit read the subs and buy these [Tengu, Fit your mods in] Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Photon Scattering Field II Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster Vepas' Modified Shield Boost Amplifier Gistum B-Type 10MN Afterburner [empty med slot] Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Buy these subs and fill in last med to fit, this one has 642 DPS but yours will be 700 Also buy a good faction Afterburner ....AB IS A MUST ON THE TENGU...Its the reason nothin can hit you, that and its sig size. i already get close to 900 dps w/drones on my night hawk It is better to light a candle, than to curse the darkness
Kail Storm Caldari Dark Taboo	Posted - 2010.02.25 05:18:00 - [17] Edited by: Kail Storm on 25/02/2010 05:19:06 Your math is way wrong man...Way wrong Im looking at 600 DPS for your setup...Not anywhere close to 900.... 4 dread BCS`s and 6 launchers with scourge t2 and all leve l5 toon=655 DPS with all level 5 and Hobgob 2`s whcih you prob wont use. And I doubt you have all level 5 skills including Drones. 900 is battleship Dmg...Lol if you could get that out of a NH you would never need BS`s ever again. And a drake being only 20% less DPS would be what 700ish lol. With all your dread BCs`s on tengu you get...715 DPS without IMPS an you will get 50% more tank and 100% more tank including speed and sig size. Your NIGHTHAWK NOW=655 DPS Your Tengu with same mods= 715 And Tengu takes half the training time almost. Considering you need command ships 5 versus subsystem 5 which is 5 days lol. If you run, You`ll only die tired :)
Liang Nuren No Salvation War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.02.25 06:04:00 - [18] Originally by: Yue Xiang i already get close to 900 dps w/drones on my night hawk Close to 900 DPS on a NH means you're running with Rage HAMs. While the NH can apply the damage, it means that you're going to be incredibly short legged. The HAM Tengu doesn't work for range, and neither will a HAM NH. However, I'm seeing some things wrong with this thread. First, File -> Preferences -> Check the box that says "include reload time". This is important. Then we'll see than a HML NH top ends at ~760 DPS with 5% hardwirings, and a Tengu at 784 DPS with 5% hardwirings. I would choose a Tengu over a NH, personally. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Kail Storm Caldari Dark Taboo	Posted - 2010.02.25 07:05:00 - [19] Liangs right per usual but if we count training times...I think tengu is way better bang for your...Well SP If you run, You`ll only die tired :)
Liang Nuren No Salvation War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.02.25 07:08:00 - [20] Originally by: Kail Storm Liangs right per usual but if we count training times...I think tengu is way better bang for your...Well SP I wouldn't disagree at all. In fact, I might argue that command ships as a whole are obsolete. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire

Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.02.25 07:38:00 - [21] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Kail Storm Liangs right per usual but if we count training times...I think tengu is way better bang for your...Well SP I wouldn't disagree at all. In fact, I might argue that command ships as a whole are obsolete. -Liang sadly. also to whoever completely pimp'd the midslots and fit t1 rigs
Calydonian Boar	Posted - 2010.02.25 07:57:00 - [22] I don't understand why people use all those fancy fits with DG invuls or deadspace medium SBs .. I use this setup which is about 400m in fittings and it tanks everything just fine: [Tengu, plex] Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Ballistic Deflection Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Shield Boost Amplifier II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst I mean the biggest advantage of using a tengu is avoiding the use of fancy items and doing missions for cheaper.. It has less sig radius than NH, means it takes less damage and therefore needs less tank... Its faster so it takes less damage, again needs even less tank... I have maxed out ship skills which are 1.2m SP in total whereas NH needs command ships 5 for maxed out damage which is a 2m SP skill on its own discarding all the leadership skills you must train first... And no you can't have 900dps with a nighthawk... Most you can get with HML is 758 with high-end hardwirings...
Gul Rashen	Posted - 2010.02.25 08:18:00 - [23] Originally by: Yue Xiang any pros to using a nighthawk over a tengu / except the hml on nighthawk. You can passive tank the NH well, still fitting 3 BCS and with the Drones+Precision Bonus you don't need the Rigslots for Rigors. Pros NH: ~200m cheaper Passive Tank Precision Bonus Drones Pros Tengu: Higher DPS Faster Skills Both Ships have excellent Tanking abilities. Nighthawk has up to 661 Missiledps(incl. reload, 4 Faction BCS, Hardwirings) and 97 Dronedps. You can use the Drones vs. Frigs while you're shooting the bigger stuff. Tengu has 784 Missiledps. No Drones. With the Tengu you kill bigger Stuff much faster but have to kill the Drones with your Missiles. You will need a TP or 2-3 Rigor/Flarerigs to do that fast. Overall i prefer the Tengu. With it i get better Missiontimes in 99% of the Missions and that's the thing that counts for me. If you like passive Tanking the NH is superior to the Tengu, no doubt.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.02.25 08:57:00 - [24] At the rate these posts keep comming up, Liang is gonna burn out ;) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Yue Xiang Caldari Signus Shipyards	Posted - 2010.02.25 08:58:00 - [25] Edited by: Yue Xiang on 25/02/2010 09:00:23 Originally by: Kail Storm Edited by: Kail Storm on 25/02/2010 05:19:06 Your math is way wrong man...Way wrong Im looking at 600 DPS for your setup...Not anywhere close to 900.... 4 dread BCS`s and 6 launchers with scourge t2 and all leve l5 toon=655 DPS with all level 5 and Hobgob 2`s whcih you prob wont use. And I doubt you have all level 5 skills including Drones. 900 is battleship Dmg...Lol if you could get that out of a NH you would never need BS`s ever again. And a drake being only 20% less DPS would be what 700ish lol. With all your dread BCs`s on tengu you get...715 DPS without IMPS an you will get 50% more tank and 100% more tank including speed and sig size. Your NIGHTHAWK NOW=655 DPS Your Tengu with same mods= 715 And Tengu takes half the training time almost. Considering you need command ships 5 versus subsystem 5 which is 5 days lol. infact i do have ALL my relative skills lvl 5 including commandships / drone interfacing 5 / max dmg i have 51m sp on the low side of the 3 toons i have and im implanted out. i have two jumpclones 1x with 5+ plants and hardwirings another with a crystal set + omega / hardwirings i assure you my dps approaches 900 that might be an exaggeration but money and sp are things i have in great supply. i also have a 5th bcs i sometimes slide in but i have a dcu cuz im paranoid about my investment. my real question now is afterburner subsystem or adaptive shielding provides better tanking abilities? It is better to light a candle, than to curse the darkness
Yue Xiang Caldari Signus Shipyards	Posted - 2010.02.25 09:31:00 - [26] new question tengu w adaptive shielding + shield boost in lows viable? It is better to light a candle, than to curse the darkness
Liang Nuren No Salvation War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.02.25 09:44:00 - [27] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 25/02/2010 09:44:48 Originally by: Sidus Isaacs At the rate these posts keep comming up, Liang is gonna burn out ;) Heh, that presupposes that I don't like the Tengu - when in fact I do like the Tengu. My beef has always been with the misinformation and unfair testimonials (comparing your pimped Tengu with a crappy CNR is simply incorrect). -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Jotobar	Posted - 2010.02.25 09:53:00 - [28] Edited by: Jotobar on 25/02/2010 09:56:05 .
Yue Xiang Caldari Signus Shipyards	Posted - 2010.02.25 10:00:00 - [29] Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 25/02/2010 09:44:48 Originally by: Sidus Isaacs At the rate these posts keep comming up, Liang is gonna burn out ;) Heh, that presupposes that I don't like the Tengu - when in fact I do like the Tengu. My beef has always been with the misinformation and unfair testimonials (comparing your pimped Tengu with a crappy CNR is simply incorrect). -Liang exactly - only reason why i dont mention the golem / cnr is i find ravens ugly. lol. It is better to light a candle, than to curse the darkness
Sturmwolke	Posted - 2010.02.25 10:12:00 - [30] Originally by: Yue Xiang new question tengu w adaptive shielding + shield boost in lows viable? No. Amplification Node sub is still better (for active tanks). Fitting an T2 Invul in the extra mid equals the Adaptive Shielding resists, and you still get 50% shield boost bonus from the Amplification Node. The slight extra cap cost to maintain the T2 Invul, can easily be solved. Extra high from the Adaptive Shield sub isn't as useful for such a sacrifice.

Yue Xiang Caldari Signus Shipyards	Posted - 2010.02.25 16:39:00 - [31] just bought my tengu sub systems amp node sequencer aug cap ejection bay fuel catalyst highs 6x hml - scourge fury med 1x dg invul 1x dg invul 1x pith a med boost 1x ab empty slot empty slot lows 4x dg bcu rig ccc ii ccc ii ccc i question for my mids should i get 2x hardners or 1x and a target painter? It is better to light a candle, than to curse the darkness
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2010.02.25 16:51:00 - [32] 1. get rid of that super expensive modules /invuls, med booster/ - or count with suicide gank 2. fit small pithi b 3. use at least 2x rigors /t2 preferred/ 4. with rigors you dont need painter 5. use mission spec hardeners
Yue Xiang Caldari Signus Shipyards	Posted - 2010.02.25 17:22:00 - [33] lol second question how does the tengu do against suicide ganks. my nighthawk does fine thou It is better to light a candle, than to curse the darkness
Sturmwolke	Posted - 2010.02.25 17:29:00 - [34] [Tengu Gank Affordable] Damage Control II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System / T2 Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System / T2 Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System / T2 10MN Afterburner II Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster Pithum C-Type Magnetic Scattering Amplifier Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Total mods + rigs cost probably won't exceed 400 mil if you shop around. I'm normally abhorrent to pimping a ship to death, mainly because I'd be running a few of them - each at different locations Painters will be a BIG pain in the ass when you're shooting frigs, I opt for better rigors instead. It's almost cap stable, but that's not really a big issue for me to worry about.
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2010.02.25 17:32:00 - [35] You will have around 30k ehp with your fit, fit is worth around 1,8b /not sure tbh/ - gank bs can have 10k alpha, you need at most 4 bses with arties. Understand?
N Ano Caldari Zerg Corp	Posted - 2010.02.25 18:00:00 - [36] Considering how stupid op is Im starting to think he is a troll.
Kail Storm Caldari Dark Taboo	Posted - 2010.02.25 19:47:00 - [37] Yeah im worried about the OP...I have said 3 times.....LISTEN UP OP......THE TENGU IS THE SAME AS THE NIGHTHAWK JUST STRONGER FASTER AND DOES MORE DMG Go try it out then ask us more questions...Otherwise dont ask questions that have been awnsered alot. Or here eve-search.com If you run, You`ll only die tired :)
Canaloney Soup	Posted - 2010.02.26 17:25:00 - [38] nighthawk can hit smaller tagets better + attack multi target at same time aka drones tengu can tank better with ab both have simlar dps but tengu with cpu subsystem look nicer
Legionos McGuiros Caldari Legio Prima Victrix Apocalypse Now.	Posted - 2010.02.27 00:26:00 - [39] I used this in L4 missions fine, with full spawn aggro. Just find a stationary structure and orbit it at 40-50km, make sure you kill any webbers. Tengu Hi Slot: 6x Heavy Missile Launcher II : Scourge Fury Missile Med Slot: 2x Caldari Navy Invul Field 1x Caldari Navy Photon Field 2x Thukker Large Shield Extender 1x Domination 10mn AB Lo Slot: 3x Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System 1x True Sansha Reactor Control Unit Rig Slot: 3x Medium Shield Extender II Subsystem Slot: Accelerated Ejection Bay Fuel Catalyst Supplemental Screening Dissolution Sequencer Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Needs implants to fit the PG Without Implants and ALL Level 5 it has 670dps and 661m/s Yes its buffer fit but it will last forever as most of the time the rat battleships wont hit you
Kail Storm Caldari Dark Taboo	Posted - 2010.02.27 01:01:00 - [40] Edited by: Kail Storm on 27/02/2010 01:02:03 Either fit it active like most guys do or passive...Dont fit a buffer tank in PVE its a huge waste and not very good in PVE at all. I do all the same DPS and speed and a smaller sig and I tank like 3 times as much. Also why would you use Invulns?....2 Specific 1 invuln at most. If you ever got webbed you would die maybe not right away but you would eventually...Not enough recharge at all to compensate. If you run, You`ll only die tired :)

Mortis Betruger	Posted - 2010.02.27 01:41:00 - [41] One of the things I like best about the Tengu is its small sig rad. Do not put extenders on such a great ship. Even setting still the npcs miss me most of the time and when Im moving with ab bonus at over 600 km they hardly ever hit. I did When Worlds Collide today and half way thru I saw that I had not turned on my hardners lol. I didnt need them just boost the shield once in awhile.
Legionos McGuiros Caldari Legio Prima Victrix Apocalypse Now.	Posted - 2010.02.27 15:04:00 - [42] Originally by: Kail Storm Edited by: Kail Storm on 27/02/2010 01:02:03 Either fit it active like most guys do or passive...Dont fit a buffer tank in PVE its a huge waste and not very good in PVE at all. I do all the same DPS and speed and a smaller sig and I tank like 3 times as much. Also why would you use Invulns?....2 Specific 1 invuln at most. If you ever got webbed you would die maybe not right away but you would eventually...Not enough recharge at all to compensate. I dislike passive and active fits
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2010.02.27 16:09:00 - [43] Originally by: Legionos McGuiros ... Use whatever you like. Only to let you know - if you dont use rigor rigs or tps your efficiency goes down by significant amount. And that means more time spent on pve.
Kail Storm Caldari Dark Taboo	Posted - 2010.02.28 00:50:00 - [44] So lug you think a buffer is ok then??? If you run, You`ll only die tired :)
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2010.02.28 01:44:00 - [45] You 'can' do missions even with buffer fit tengu - abing around mitigates alot of dps and rats wont have enough time to get through buffer /maybe ae bonus and ea5/ - but inability to shoot furys to cruisers for full dps and hit elite frigs for decent dps /becauseit has no rigors and tps/ makes that fit subpar to standard booster tengu with rigors.
Kzintee Caldari	Posted - 2010.02.28 03:49:00 - [46] I flew both Tengu and NH in lvl5 missions and both do fine. I prefer Tengu for its ability to fit a huge buffer even in omnitank config (90k in NH, 125k in Tengu) that's important for drone/angel/matar missions. DPS wise for me NH loses out by around 10% (that's with drones). So if price is a concern then NH does fine as a lvl5 starter ship, otherwise for measly 250m more you could fly Tengu. Less skill intensive too.
Legionos McGuiros Caldari Legio Prima Victrix Apocalypse Now.	Posted - 2010.02.28 16:17:00 - [47] Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 Originally by: Legionos McGuiros ... Use whatever you like. Only to let you know - if you dont use rigor rigs or tps your efficiency goes down by significant amount. And that means more time spent on pve. Im not a carebear, efficiency doesnt bother me I stopped doing L4's long ago anyway, Sleepers are where its at
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2010.02.28 16:19:00 - [48] Originally by: Legionos McGuiros ... Active fits are ofc better for sleepers too.
Soon Shin	Posted - 2010.03.03 11:18:00 - [49] Edited by: Soon Shin on 03/03/2010 11:19:15 There's one think the Nighthawk is good at; Passive Shield Tanking which will save your ass with the neut towers in Level 5's. But if you can hunt sleepers, why bother doing level 5's In all the Tengu is better than the Nighthawk in nearly every way.
Ping Bong	Posted - 2010.03.03 21:32:00 - [50] from suicide ganker pov the moment u put on a 50m+ module ur a viable target so wether your fit costs 500m or 3b doesent really matter, id still gank without thinking twice about it



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