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Lashnar Caldari New Eden Recon Force Beyond-Control	Posted - 2010.02.25 02:30:00 - [1] It seems that alot of people are going around shouting: "Fix the lag!" "EVE suckz since Dominion" Or my personally most hated: "This game is too complex, make it more easy" Personally, I LOVED how this game said: "GIVE you a ship? GIVE you a million Isk? Hell no." And then tossed you in a ditch. I also loved how the market was player driven, and I loved how complex this game is. Sure, the game lags, any GOOD online game does. CCP is trying, but they also have to deliver those shiny planets too right? Which they did, that was an example. But why do people still complain? Every time I start up EVE, I wish I had a better computer, (Netbooks are not good for EVE) so I could venture into null-sec and see all the glory that is space! Anyway, thank you CCP for making such a great game... Welcome to EVE.
Ephemeron Retribution Corp. Initiative Associates	Posted - 2010.02.25 02:35:00 - [2] I started hating CCP ever since the Great Nano Nerf there was a problem with nano, but the way they choose to solve it defies both logic and the core game ideals: that a game should be elite hardcore pvp The slow poisoning of the game with carebear ideals is painful to watch.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.02.25 02:52:00 - [3] Originally by: Lashnar But why do people still complain ? Because if you like something, you want it to become PERFECT (or as close to perfect as possible). Every little step backwards is like a personal affront then. You should really start worrying when people STOP complaining. It means they no longer care enough to even complain, because the alternative would be that the game reached perfection for everybody, which is practically impossible. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Alchemist's Alt Gallente Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.02.25 03:02:00 - [4] I dont hate the game at all, I think EvE is amazing and would love to find any reason to quit but cant, been playing for 3 years and my main issue has been lagg which in time I guess will be fixed. Kids will play the "do this or I will leave" drama, let them be no one really cares what they have to say and NO ONE ever leaves when they announce it :) FIRST!!
Epicbeardman	Posted - 2010.02.25 03:13:00 - [5] Shouting is just that. Feel free to ignore them, most people do.
Solid Star	Posted - 2010.02.25 03:17:00 - [6] In the beginning they had lottery and I hated it and thought it was the dumbest thing ever. They fixed it and I was happy. Then came Titan DD, I hated this more. I hated this more then everything else combined. They fixed this and I was enormously happy and accepted the by product of the lag. Now though, this lingering lag from jumping in large fleets is really taking a toll in nullsec. The apathy for large fights is very real. I hope CCP is putting everything they got into fixing this fast.
HellGate fr Yarrbear Inc.	Posted - 2010.02.25 03:44:00 - [7] For me, missiles were too much nerfed since Quantum Rise, and the nano one is a bit harsh tough
Alchemist's Alt Gallente Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.02.25 03:54:00 - [8] Edited by: Alchemist''s Alt on 25/02/2010 03:53:57 People hate EvE because of the following reasons 1. Every expansion is the same thing just 5/10 levels extra to get 2. Instances are boring and its the same crap strategy 3. People are annoying all they do is scream epic and LFG 4. Every time I put effort in something the next patch it becomes obsolete 5. BGs are full of leechers and all my grind spots are full of chinese farmers which I cant do anything about 6. All the NPC main chars get killed I could go on but I think you get my point ;) sure theres a few bugs and lagg is currently a ***** but it could be worse FIRST!!
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2010.02.25 04:02:00 - [9] Reading the forums you get a skewed impression due to whiners like Akita T, nano***s and 0.0 alliance carebears. (and more) Everyone[tm] in my corp love the changes dominion brought, while being disappointed with the large fleet lag that got introduced yet patient enough to know it will eventually get fixed. This is likely the same for most of the players; we enjoy the game as it is and hope for more. Doesn't mean we don't discuss or suggest improvements. We just don't whine about it like Akita T.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.02.25 04:15:00 - [10] Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab Reading the forums you get a skewed impression due to whiners like Akita T... Lolwut? There is a huge difference between the flood of "omg, nerf suicide ganking plz" by whiner posters with a ! portrait and Akita T who posts constructive criticism about concepts of the game in which he has actually explored and fully understands all the corresponding mechanics. You rarely see posts from "nano*s" or "0.0 alliance carebears". Not sure what forums you are actually reading but it certainly hasn't been the EVE forums. Originally by:** Jim Raynor EVE needs danger, EVE needs risks, EVE needs combat, even piracy, without these things, the game stagnates to a trivial game centering around bloating your wallet with no purpose.
Zartrader	Posted - 2010.02.25 04:24:00 - [11] People tend to post when they have something to moan about, not when they are happy. CCP are thick skinned anyway, they know to ignore the trolls and they probably look at the others so it can be useful for them. I think everyone has their favourite gripe anyway as it affects their gameplay. For me it's the UI so any chance I get I'll mention it. At least in this game there are not regular posts about how the game should be dumbed down or made easier for the lazy or incompetent. Some people have a very high sense of entitlement and completely ignore or care little for what their proposed changes would mean to other players. That used to drive me nuts in another game I played, especially as they listened to these people and wrecked a game I really enjoyed. That tends not to happen in EVE (except for the rage quitters and new players)
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2010.02.25 04:32:00 - [12] Originally by: Vaal Erit Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab Reading the forums you get a skewed impression due to whiners like Akita T... Lolwut? There is a huge difference between the flood of "omg, nerf suicide ganking plz" by whiner posters with a ! portrait and Akita T who posts constructive criticism about concepts of the game in which he has actually explored and fully understands all the corresponding mechanics. CCP, seriously now, discipline or fire your economist already !!! The above thread comes out as a whine over how EvE hasn't been changed in the directions the great Akita T feels best for EvE. It ignores that first; change does not happen overnight even when the idea is good, as development of a large project such as EvE is not the same as writing rants on the EvE forums. Second; we know CCP devs post on the forums with alts due to various reasons. That the doctor has not graced Akita T's threads with his blue presences does not mean he hasn't followed them or posted in them. Basically it comes down to this... Discussion is good, but ranting in GD cause your changes aren't on SiSi _this very moment_ or that the QEN doesn't contain all the information you want... isn't. Originally by: Vaal Erit You rarely see posts from "nano*s" or "0.0 alliance carebears". Not sure what forums you are actually reading but it certainly hasn't been the EVE forums. Heh... You sure? The nano* era is something few of us will forget, and if you missed it then _good for you_. Today we have the 0.0 alliance carebears whining about fleet lag inducing bugs, sov mechanisms and upkeep prices in every single dev blog thread or announcement of new features. If you missed them I suggest getting a bigger monitor with high contrast. ^_^
Solid Star	Posted - 2010.02.25 04:53:00 - [13] Originally by: HellGate fr For me, missiles were too much nerfed since Quantum Rise, and the nano one is a bit harsh tough There is a ship out there called the Typhoon. It gets the exact same bonus for both missiles and projectiles and has the exact same amount of slots for either. This means you have to base your decision solely on the stats/advantages of each weapon type. Well guess what 80% of people fit on their Typhoon? You would think Projectiles as that is the main Minmatar weapon used for most of the other Matar ships, yet people still pick missiles. I personally like Projectiles over Missiles, but the stats don't lie.
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2010.02.25 05:04:00 - [14] Originally by: Solid Star Originally by: HellGate fr For me, missiles were too much nerfed since Quantum Rise, and the nano one is a bit harsh tough There is a ship out there called the Typhoon. It gets the exact same bonus for both missiles and projectiles and has the exact same amount of slots for either. This means you have to base your decision solely on the stats/advantages of each weapon type. Well guess what 80% of people fit on their Typhoon? You would think Projectiles as that is the main Minmatar weapon used for most of the other Matar ships, yet people still pick missiles. I personally like Projectiles over Missiles, but the stats don't lie. un I think on that particular ship missiles are preferred not just because of raw dps (torps..) but because it allows the pilot to ignore tracking/range crap and just get up close and personal with neuts Could be wrong though. OHGODS BELOW THIS LINE IS MY SIG !!!! SRSLY! Blane Xero > Lance is at -0.9 sec status with a 1 million bounty. Lance is also amarrian. Thats 3 evil points
Alchemist's Alt Gallente Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.02.25 05:27:00 - [15] Originally by: Lance Fighter Originally by: Solid Star Originally by: HellGate fr For me, missiles were too much nerfed since Quantum Rise, and the nano one is a bit harsh tough There is a ship out there called the Typhoon. It gets the exact same bonus for both missiles and projectiles and has the exact same amount of slots for either. This means you have to base your decision solely on the stats/advantages of each weapon type. Well guess what 80% of people fit on their Typhoon? You would think Projectiles as that is the main Minmatar weapon used for most of the other Matar ships, yet people still pick missiles. I personally like Projectiles over Missiles, but the stats don't lie. un I think on that particular ship missiles are preferred not just because of raw dps (torps..) but because it allows the pilot to ignore tracking/range crap and just get up close and personal with neuts Could be wrong though. Guess im the only one that enjoys a good old 4/4 setup XD, powergrid / cpu gets all anal if isnt 4/4 imo FIRST!!
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.02.25 05:36:00 - [16] Nooo, that Akita T thread is not a whine. It is common knowledge. Everyone knows what a joke the "economist" is that CCP hired. I read Akita T's post and no where does Akita T mention that she wants the game changed in his way and demands it on Sisi now. He simply wants someone who is not doing his job for the past few years to gtfo. It is not a difficult concept. Training reading to level 1. Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab Originally by: Vaal Erit You rarely see posts from "nano*s" or "0.0 alliance carebears". Not sure what forums you are actually reading but it certainly hasn't been the EVE forums. Heh... You sure? The nano* era is something few of us will forget, and if you missed it then _good for you_. Today we have the 0.0 alliance carebears whining about fleet lag inducing bugs, sov mechanisms and upkeep prices in every single dev blog thread or announcement of new features. If you missed them I suggest getting a bigger monitor with high contrast. ^_^ Yes, I actually play the game AND read the forums. The speed re-balancing was well over a year ago, it was released in Quantum Rise in '08 ffs. How many whines have their been about nanos since then? Basically zero. Of all the whining that is done, the speed changes are a drop in the bucket. 0.0 alliance members complaining about lag are perfectly reasonable as they cannot play the game. They are not carebears, perhaps if you actually played the game called EVE-Online you'd have some knowledge about some of the terms or the game or about anything. You are just a clueless dolt. Feel free to show me the recent threadnaughts on the speed changes, I will enjoy making you look foolish even more. Originally by: Jim Raynor EVE needs danger, EVE needs risks, EVE needs combat, even piracy, without these things, the game stagnates to a trivial game centering around bloating your wallet with no purpose.
Reten Kip Everset Dropbears	Posted - 2010.02.25 07:29:00 - [17] Hate is a pretty strong word, what I dislike about CCP: * That they take years for balancing changes (nano, lasers, hybrids, projectiles, etc.). Seriously, WTF, other MMOs do it in small increments, CCP waits two years and then does a huge revamp that breaks everything for a month before they get it figured out. * The horrid UI, seriously, fix it. * Their refusal to fix certain broken/painful things (like POSes). That's about it for me.
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2010.02.25 07:40:00 - [18] Originally by: Vaal Erit 0.0 alliance members complaining about lag are perfectly reasonable as they cannot play the game. They are not carebears, perhaps if you actually played the game called EVE-Online you'd have some knowledge about some of the terms or the game or about anything. You are just a clueless dolt. Feel free to show me the recent threadnaughts on the speed changes, I will enjoy making you look foolish even more. There is eve-search.com for those who are senile or believers of Thursdayism. I prefer to have a view of the world that includes past events, and as such nano-nerf threadnaughts of the past are still valid examples the behavior of some vocal minorities in Eve. Complaining about lag is reasonable? It is reasonable after it is first detected. It is reasonable to let the devs know it is a widespread problem. It is _NOT_ reasonable to threadnaught after it has been acknowledged. Neither is it reasonable to spam devblogs written by _ARTISTS_ introducing new models. Go ahead, spam the QEN devblog to demand answers on why the lag isn't fixed _NOW_, because obviously they're still not aware of the problem nor trying to fix it. Fake edit: 0.0 is stuffed with carebears that jump ship as soon as things go bad. Most don't even realize their true nature as they go about pew pew'ing the good fights.
Aineko Macx	Posted - 2010.02.25 08:10:00 - [19] Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab The above thread comes out as a whine over how EvE hasn't been changed in the directions the great Akita T feels best for EvE. It ignores that first; change does not happen overnight even when the idea is good, as development of a large project such as EvE is not the same as writing rants on the EvE forums. Stop ignoring the ignorance displayed in every QEN. I fail to see how one could make good or even decent decisions of how to steer the economy with such a knowledge gap. And suggestions about how the QENs could be made better have been present since the very first one was published. Originally by: Reten Kip That they take years for balancing changes [instead of] small increments, CCP waits two years and then does a huge revamp that breaks everything for a month before they get it figured out. Agreed. Every rework/nerf in recent history has this characteristic. They take ages to fix balance issues, and when they finally do, the nerf magnitude is such that the item/ship/tactic under discussion becomes near irrelevant.
CyberGh0st Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2010.02.25 09:17:00 - [20] Originally by: Lashnar It seems that alot of people are going around shouting: "Fix the lag!" "EVE suckz since Dominion" Or my personally most hated: "This game is too complex, make it more easy" Personally, I LOVED how this game said: "GIVE you a ship? GIVE you a million Isk? Hell no." And then tossed you in a ditch. I also loved how the market was player driven, and I loved how complex this game is. Sure, the game lags, any GOOD online game does. CCP is trying, but they also have to deliver those shiny planets too right? Which they did, that was an example. But why do people still complain? Every time I start up EVE, I wish I had a better computer, (Netbooks are not good for EVE) so I could venture into null-sec and see all the glory that is space! Anyway, thank you CCP for making such a great game... Because since Apocrypha and Dominion CCP seems to make 1 step forward and 2 steps back. Pre-Apocrypha, the sound engine had some issues and was not super awesome, but I was content with it, it was functional. Post-Apocrypha, alot of issues were introduced, and to this date we have to do combat with half the sound missing. Dominion only introduced more sound issues. Pre-Dominion, the game performed good, and records were broken ( Jita, large fleet fights, etc ). Then Dominion releases and a ****load of lag is introduced and no sign of a fix in sight. I feel that content/gameplay wise the game is improving, but the stability is worsening and long standing issues ( like a working sound engine ... ) are not fixed. If you come from any other mmo here as a newbie, then you wonder WTF? How does everyone play with no sound? About the game being too complex, only people that don't get EVE would complain about that, and they should find another game to play, but that is not a widespread complaint. http://www.mmodata.net Favorite MMO's : DAoC Pre-TOA-NF / SWG Pre-CU-NGE
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Punic Corp.	Posted - 2010.02.25 10:01:00 - [21] Edited by: Reem Fairchild on 25/02/2010 10:01:40 Some people whine because they love the game and care about it becoming better. Some people whine because they're idiots. You have to be able to separate the two. ----- 'In Eve, as in real life, if you are bored it's your own fault.'
Lexx Khadar Minmatar Aesir Fleet	Posted - 2010.02.25 10:50:00 - [22] Edited by: Lexx Khadar on 25/02/2010 10:51:41 Even if they fixed all currently complained of problems you'd have people moaning about something. Some people are just like that. I wouldn't take a lot of threads even in general discussion seriously. All mmo's forum communities are just very vocal minorities compared to the wider player-base. That most likely don't even know of or use the forums. In short just take most the moaning with a large pinch of salt.
Wild Rho Amarr Sniggerdly	Posted - 2010.02.25 11:03:00 - [23] Keep in mind that people who are generally happy with the game aren't usually motivated to post about it compared to someone is unhappy and wants to vent (you also need to account for the usual troll posts as well). You will know when people are really annoyed with Eve or CCP when subscription numbers start regularly dropping, aside from that I wouldn't let it bother you too much.
Digital Solaris Caldari	Posted - 2010.02.25 11:21:00 - [24] CCP manipulates after its own whim. Then CCP feeds off the passion, hate, love or whatever it can be. CCP is SO evil! Still an awesome game developer though.
Pellit1 Caldari Bushwhackers Rough Necks	Posted - 2010.02.25 11:39:00 - [25] Because there are many things wrong, that are needlessly wrong, but yet CCP don't fix them. ------------- Rough Necks Alliance BOOST FALCONS. Nerf whiners.
SomebodyKickedMyDog	Posted - 2010.02.25 14:49:00 - [26] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Lashnar But why do people still complain ? Because if you like something, you want it to become PERFECT (or as close to perfect as possible). Every little step backwards is like a personal affront then. You should really start worrying when people STOP complaining. It means they no longer care enough to even complain, because the alternative would be that the game reached perfection for everybody, which is practically impossible. that's actually a good point. when there's something that really bothers me about eve and i feel like complaining, it's because i like eve, and i don't want whatever it is that's bothering me to spoil that. i also want it to move forward and continue to improve and be even better in the ways that it currently lacks. i think another part of it is that the game is so complex, there's always going to be something that affects some subset of players that they complain about, whether it has to do with pvp, mining, missions, lowsec, highsec, nullsec, certain ships, races, etc, etc that other players don't care about.
Boomershoot Caldari Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2010.02.25 14:50:00 - [27] I hate CCP because i'm not it
My Postman	Posted - 2010.02.25 15:50:00 - [28] You¦re wrong, we all love CCP, even Tuxford! On the ohter hand we ALL know that CCP hates Gallente! Just my two cents.
Angry Poster	Posted - 2010.02.25 16:20:00 - [29] Originally by: Lashnar Personally, I LOVED how this game said: "GIVE you a ship? GIVE you a million Isk? Hell no." And then tossed you in a ditch. I also loved how the market was player driven, and I loved how complex this game is. Sure, the game lags, any GOOD online game does. I personally think CCP are doing a good enough job. Making EVE less complex is definitely a bad thing and also not really a goal of CCP. What you are ignoring when it comes to lag is the fact, that the lag got A LOT WORSE with Dominion. I think that's the main reason why everyone gets very mad a CCP. I personally would rather trade the fancy (but utterly useless) planet graphics and sov upgrades if I could get lag-free fleet fights again. That's what makes people mad (including me). The game was running fairly well (much better then in the previous 4 years) and then CCP go and mess everything up with their newest patch and make large engagements totally unplayable again. It's the "again" bit that ****es me off. Of course the reason for this is that it's easier for the marketing department to sell new planet graphics then to make advertisement with the fact that they're game is stable and lag-free with battles up to 500 people (which is currently back down to 100ish). I thinks that's what bringing the hate. CCP has not attracted us loyal long-term customers with stupid graphic gimmicks. They attracted us with a cool concept and the promise of epic battles.
Mr Epeen	Posted - 2010.02.25 17:07:00 - [30] Originally by: Lashnar It seems that alot of people are going around shouting: "Fix the lag!" "EVE suckz since Dominion" Or my personally most hated: "This game is too complex, make it more easy" Personally, I LOVED how this game said: "GIVE you a ship? GIVE you a million Isk? Hell no." And then tossed you in a ditch. I also loved how the market was player driven, and I loved how complex this game is. Sure, the game lags, any GOOD online game does. CCP is trying, but they also have to deliver those shiny planets too right? Which they did, that was an example. But why do people still complain? Every time I start up EVE, I wish I had a better computer, (Netbooks are not good for EVE) so I could venture into null-sec and see all the glory that is space! Anyway, thank you CCP for making such a great game... While the game could use some tweaking to get where it needs to be, I certainly don't hate it. The player base... well, that's a different story. I hate about half of them. Or lets say a quarter of them that have half the characters, to be more precise. While any MMO attracts it's share of complete morons, this one seems to attract more than most. The fix would be to reduce to one character per acct and remove the two week free trial. Won't change the gameplay (much) and the griefers will, for the most part, go elsewhere where they can have free playtime to practice their asshattry. Mr Epeen
Allen Ramses Caldari Typo Corp	Posted - 2010.02.26 01:29:00 - [31] I hate CCP because they have still not properly fixed the numerous balance issues caused by the introduction of rigs. Oh, and the fact that CCP Nozh is still allowed to be the lead balance coordinator after what he did to the last 3 expansions. ____________ I'd make a forum signature that didn't suck, but I'm restricted by a character limit that does.
Beanard	Posted - 2010.02.26 06:09:00 - [32] Originally by: Lashnar But why do people still complain? Serious answer. This is the way every official forum ends up. Solution: 6 months after launch offical forums should be closed and those isk spent on the actual game instead. Eve answer. Who cares (logs in to shoot something, carebear so its an npc)
Callista Sincera Amarr	Posted - 2010.02.26 09:58:00 - [33] I just hate the UI. Unfortunatly it's not reason enough for me to quit, but still reason enough to be annoyed by it. Guess that's why CCP doesn't improve it... it's not yet bad enough... - In simplistic terms it has been said that there is enough Zero Point Energy in the volume the size of a coffee cup to boil away EarthÆs oceans.
NAPtrain Pilot	Posted - 2010.02.26 10:29:00 - [34] Tbh, the main reason I think ppl hate CCP is the way they handle communication with the playerbase: 1. Most expasions are precceded by a lot of promises for shiny stuff, and then when the new expansion comes out, only 20-30% is actually there. 2. They stubbornly refuse to acknowledge constructive criticsm , even when supported with proofs (see mothership changes, moros nerf and a few other issues). 3. There are some people that are allowed to work on stuff they have pretty much no idea about(still WTB Target Painter that works on sieged Dreads).
Xander XacXorien	Posted - 2010.02.26 12:01:00 - [35] Because CCP doesnt have any standards and lacks professionalism. 1) No risk no reward, yet trial accounts can salvage lvl 4+ loot ? 2) Lag for years and years and then they bring in "capture the flag" soverinty making blobs worse. 3) Having years and years of game play with unbalanced weapons, Amarr anyone ? Even CCP said they had suffered. Minmatar for years and barely fixed. Gallente blasters broken. 4) Caldari ftw in PvE,, yawn this is still the case in both ships and rewards. T3 Caldari ships ftw,, I laughed when I found out Tengu was top dmg ship,,, in fact it still makes me laugh,,, what a joke. 5) PvP and PvE mix of content in lowsec,,, shame on you CCP. Exploration content, mining fields, lvl 5 missions all wasted and may as well not have been programmed. 6) No sticking to a storyline,,, paying for 0.0 which according to storyline is "free" space. This could be easily fixed by sticking to the storyline - by making corps in 0.0 fight over faction contracts provided by high sec corps. End of lag, forced to choose sides and competition both on resources and interplay between the same corps in the same alliance for the best contracts. 7) History, the way the T2 BPO scandle was handled was aweful and just to me showed how low CCP will go. I quit for a year or so over this. But I ignore all this and find a game I want to play,, however when it ends the game goes in the bin.
CommmanderInChief Comply Or Die	Posted - 2010.02.26 12:22:00 - [36] Originally by: Lashnar It seems that alot of people are going around shouting: "Fix the lag!" "EVE suckz since Dominion" Or my personally most hated: "This game is too complex, make it more easy" Personally, I LOVED how this game said: "GIVE you a ship? GIVE you a million Isk? Hell no." And then tossed you in a ditch. I also loved how the market was player driven, and I loved how complex this game is. Sure, the game lags, any GOOD online game does. CCP is trying, but they also have to deliver those shiny planets too right? Which they did, that was an example. But why do people still complain? Every time I start up EVE, I wish I had a better computer, (Netbooks are not good for EVE) so I could venture into null-sec and see all the glory that is space! Anyway, thank you CCP for making such a great game... what is it with people and these bloody shiny planets!!! they implemented something that x3 did 5 fecking years ago and it still looks better, the planets look crap sorry especially with what you can achieve these days...and the stars are you kiddig me its just some biggers dots in the sky we still have that horrible space texture..try playing x3 and youll see what reall space looks like, sorry but eve is dead in terms of that and gfx...its still 5 years behind the curve and dont even get me started on the sound...
Miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiau	Posted - 2010.02.26 12:44:00 - [37] Originally by: CommmanderInChief try playing x3 and youll see what reall space looks like, sorry but eve is dead in terms of that and gfx No offense, but X3 is not an MMO... Sure Crysis looks soooooooo much better than Eve, so Eve sucks! Compare Eve to other MMO's, if you don't want to look like a douchebag. Compare it for example to Star Trek Online or Warhammer Online or Age of Conan. For a MMO Eve looks good. But the sound sucks for real
Watyu Minmatar Dark Nebula Academy O X I D E	Posted - 2010.02.26 16:01:00 - [38] Originally by: Alchemist's Alt Edited by: Alchemist''s Alt on 25/02/2010 03:53:57 People hate EvE because of the following reasons 1. Every expansion is the same thing just 5/10 levels extra to get 2. Instances are boring and its the same crap strategy 3. People are annoying all they do is scream epic and LFG 4. Every time I put effort in something the next patch it becomes obsolete 5. BGs are full of leechers and all my grind spots are full of chinese farmers which I cant do anything about 6. All the NPC main chars get killed I could go on but I think you get my point ;) sure theres a few bugs and lagg is currently a ***** but it could be worse EYE C WUT U DID THAR
Joe Censored Unknown-Entity Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.27 00:10:00 - [39] Edited by: Joe Censored on 27/02/2010 00:15:49 Most people don't have a problem with CCP. Those peeps don't post "I love CCP" threads too often either. Its the vocal minority that really have a problem with CCP but still for some reason play their game. 1) Some people don't like CCP changing their favorite overpowered feature/ship - Usually these people really liked some overpowered feature or ship in the past that has since been nerfed (cause yeah, it was unfairly too powerful in some way). Maybe it was the one they flew all the time and always were able to pwn everyone they ran into. They thought they were so awesome, and are in denial years later that it wasn't their skillz but was really a game imbalance that was giving them their edge, and when CCP took it away they cry cry cry. A good example is the nano-whatever ships from back in the day. 2) Some people really suck at this game - Eve is a cut throat game where there is no remorse for the weak. A 2 billion isk ship can be lost in a few seconds of lapsed judgement (trust me I know from experience). With that said, we all know people in real life who blame others for everything they do wrong. Nothing can ever be their fault, it is always some circumstance of life that just happened to them, never some choice they made that caused their latest in a long series of problems in their life. Believe it or not, but some of those same people play Eve too, and who do you think they blame when they aggro a bait domi and get dropped on by a 20 man fleet in their shiny T3? It wasn't their fault, it was CCP of course!!! Freaking game lag! Got damn overview bug!!! If only CCP let me sort local by standings!!! 3) Some people just don't like change at all - They learned how to play Eve when it was brand new, and expansions have changed the game so now their uber strategy they were using in 2004 no longer works in 2010 and they are very bitter about it. "I am able to fly the best battleship (or whatever ship they thought was awesome), and those mother **ers over at CCP had to come out with the dreadnaught and ruin my entire **ing game!!!!" Yes, these are the people we have all met who learn how to do something one way and you can never ever convince them that there is a better way to do it today. They are stuck in their ways and will never understand that Eve is a dynamic game that at its core involves adapting to changes. Many of those changes are in the market itself, in the alliances that control large swaths of space, but some are in the very content and rules that CCP uses to make up the very game itself. Eve Online would die a slow death if CCP wasn't releasing new content and upgrades to the game on a regular basis. Any video game that isn't always new and fresh won't be able to keep its level of popularity 4) People who complain about balance problems cause they suck - I hear all the time that Amarr sucks cause lasers are fail, Missiles fail for PVP cause of flight time so are only PVE, shield tanks are only PVE, etc. These guys just don't understand different weapons, ships, tanks, etc require different strategies, and they just say X whatever ship/weapon/whatever fails at PVP cause they suck too much to figure out how to use it properly. If you spit this crap you just suck at this game frankly. Basically I ignore all those people. Their complaints about CCP generally just show how pathetic they really are. Its really their own faults they are projecting on CCP, and flaws in their own character keeping them from admitting their own personal issues they have. With all that said, there is a known issue in very large fleet fights with extreme game lag. This is a real issue that CCP is working on but not yet fixed. Wahh Waaaahhhh!!! CCP = the devil, lolz Adapt people. Don't freaking hot drop your titan into the middle of a 1700 pilot fleet battle until this is fixed. If you do and lose it, you are just an idiot
Birdman Ravo	Posted - 2010.02.27 06:14:00 - [40] Originally by: NAPtrain Pilot 3. There are some people that are allowed to work on stuff they have pretty much no idea about(still WTB Target Painter that works on sieged Dreads). Target painting is ewar, if it worked at all on a Dread it's a bug - or did I miss something? Anyway, squeaky wheel gets the grease. Player rage against CCP in forums is a way to make a bug or balance issue known and try to put some urgency behind it.

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