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RIch Evil
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Posted - 2010.02.25 22:03:00 -
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Sorry to Whine, but!!
How can ninja salvaging be legal, they are removing valuable assets from other peoples missions. They should at least get a timer for such an action!
IMO, the Ninja's should get a 15 min timers against the Corps wrecks they steal from. (This would encourage PVP Too, reduce Ninja'ing to people who actually wanna fight and reduce griefing)
I know we can loot as we go, blow up wrecks etc, but its still stealing with no come back.
How do you go about about getting something change, do we the players get a chance to vote, a petition maybe??
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Vensaar
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Posted - 2010.02.25 22:11:00 -
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1. Fit a salvager
2. Salvage as you go.
3. ????
Or
1. An Hero.
Now stop yer whining!
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Cyhawk
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Posted - 2010.02.25 22:13:00 -
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*shrug* CCP has stated many times Salvage is for anyone. They won't ever do what you're asking. Think Maritime laws. First to Salvage owns it.
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Slade Hoo
Amarr Corpse Collection Point
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Posted - 2010.02.25 22:14:00 -
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There is no theft or stealing. Wrecks don't belong to anyone. Anyone can salvage. First come, first serve. ------ Make Lowsec useful! Vote in the CSM-Forum! |
Avo Daith
Mentors Administration
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Posted - 2010.02.25 22:26:00 -
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Please search for the 763895763756398756 similar posts about the same topic for a pertinent reply. _________________________ Join Channel 'Mentors' for PVP and PVE help and advice ingame without changing corps. Click Channels and Mailing lists > Channels > Join > Mentors |
Brechan Skene
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Posted - 2010.02.26 00:33:00 -
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To RIch Evil
Per CCP Mitnal: Originally by: CCP Mitnal "Our policy on this is extremely clear... Salvaging is a mini-profession within EVE and does not constitute stealing."
Per GM Faolchu : Originally by: GM Faolchu Salvaging other peoples wrecks.... This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage. Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up.
Per Senior GM Ytterbium : Originally by: GM Ytterbium Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will ... and doing so is not considered as an exploit.
Per CCP Prism X : Originally by: CCP Prism X Why is stealing salvage OK? It's not. It shouldn't even be possible to move an item from your cargo-hold / hanger to another persons cargo-hold / hanger without opening a trade window. Before the salvage enters those containers it is not considered your stuff by the server code. Hence it's not stealing.
Per CCP Incognito : Originally by: CCP Incognito Had a chat with some designers this evening. Ninja salvaging is intended game play. It was always intended that the wrecks are public, the loot is private. They do not see it as a problem if others salvage your wrecks.
(These quotes are kept handy for your convenience at Ironfleet.com.)
You are now informedHave a nice day
Brechan Skene
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Tulisin Dragonflame
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Posted - 2010.02.26 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: Cyhawk *shrug* CCP has stated many times Salvage is for anyone. They won't ever do what you're asking. Think Maritime laws. First to Salvage owns it.
Please don't try to justify this with unapplicable RL examples. The fact of the matter is that CCP decided on this because:
1. It creates another miniprofession that people can skill up for, specialize in, and profit from. Being a freelance salvager is just another one of the many paths in EVE. 2. Less wrecks = Less stuff floating around in space = Presumably less server load. 3. As this and all the other threads have proven, it provides a point of contention, and those little moments when players rub up against eachother and create a dynamic is pretty much what MMOs live for, be the interactions positive or negative.
It has nothing to do with realism, and everything to do with CCP's game design philosophy.
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My Postman
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Posted - 2010.02.26 08:41:00 -
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I¦m a missioneer too. I¦ll get ninjad.
Everytime i see one of the ninjas posting the comments of the GM¦s i feel like murdering someone (RL) but i don¦t.
To the OP!
Adapt or die (ingame)! NEVER EVER start ninja threads again! Petition it and get loughed by CCP and as you WILL start a thread about it, then get loughed at forums!
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Smog Diesel
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Posted - 2010.02.26 09:18:00 -
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God.. Stop whining about ninja salvaging... It is NOT THEFT.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.02.26 09:23:00 -
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Is ninjaing salvage still worthwhile? How much per hour? I thought after the salvage value crashed hard in the last expansions it'd be way less worth than just buying low price salvage here and resell higher there. - Auditing and consulting
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Amy Platt
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Posted - 2010.02.26 11:11:00 -
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yawn at salvage spam....
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Skippermonkey
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Posted - 2010.02.26 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Amy Platt yawn at salvage spam....
Look at me, im using the INTERNETS! |
Xander XacXorien
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Posted - 2010.02.26 11:34:00 -
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I think people who are replying to the op are wrong on several points.
1) Every aspect of the game in Eve is no risk no reward, yet here we have a game breaking mechanic where there is no risk yet a high level reward from lvl 4+ mission salvage is just a scan away.
2) Salavge can be performed by any trial account, yet access to paid accounts efforts and rewards can be made.
If the new Eve is ok to have all the reward and no risk I want 0.0 ores in high sec, moon mining in high sec, capital building in high sec.
This is a game breaking mechanic and IMHO just shows the continued poor judgement and bad character behind CCP current design - I'd include the "capture the flag" 0.0 soveriegnty in this. A game "design" whereby blobs are the result which results in lag which results in no game.
But personally I dont care any more,,, just have some time on my hands before Eve comes up,,, and I dont expect anything less either from CCP or the forum sheep posting previously.
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.26 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Xander XacXorien Every aspect of the game in Eve is no risk no reward,
Weeeeeell… but ok, let's go with that one.
Quote: yet here we have a game breaking mechanic
How does it break the game?
Quote: where there is no risk
…except that there are risks.
Quote: yet a high level reward from lvl 4+ mission salvage is just a scan away.
It's not that high these days, especially with all the extra hoops a ninja has to jump through.
Quote: 2) Salavge can be performed by any trial account, yet access to paid accounts efforts and rewards can be made.
So? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Ghengis Tia
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Posted - 2010.02.26 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: My Postman NEVER EVER start ninja threads again!
^^This^^
The salvage market is just a shadow of its former self due to the introduction of small and medium rigs. Those who practice this "profession" are more or less pitiful, kind of like vermin at a landfill, anxiously waiting for the next garbage truck to dump its load to see if there is anything edible.
So the underlying reason Ninja salvaging continues is that it is a way to stick it to mission runners to leak them off. Somewhat adolescent, actually.
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Voridor Malevolence
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.02.26 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Xander XacXorien This is a game breaking mechanic
lol shut up
seriously
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente Revelation Space
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Posted - 2010.02.26 16:49:00 -
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It's amazing how missions runners coped on such low incomes all those months ago before CCP introduced the salvage concept to get them above the poverty line.
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Dacryphile
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Posted - 2010.02.26 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Is ninjaing salvage still worthwhile? How much per hour? I thought after the salvage value crashed hard in the last expansions it'd be way less worth than just buying low price salvage here and resell higher there.
Seeing as salvage prices have tanked it can't be nearly as profitable as it used to be. For a newb with a weeks worth of training, I imagine it is still one of the most profitable things they can do.
Originally by: Doc Robertson ...take a good look at this pic and tell us which one is you.
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Barron Hammerstrike
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Posted - 2010.02.26 19:31:00 -
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Edited by: Barron Hammerstrike on 26/02/2010 19:31:48 Personally I like the risk presented by those who "steal" in this game as it challenges the victim to find a way to become victor. Someone ninjas your stuff? Hire a Merc to handle em', move to another belt (if mining), or bring some friends who aren't scared of loosing some sec status and teach said ninja a lesson. I've never placed a bounty, but that may work as well. There's plenty of in game solutions to the problem. Besides, the day may come where you may want to ninja something valuable for yourself. No petition, no timers, just you're own ingenuity should be plenty to deal with the situation IMHO.
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Hammer McGowan
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Posted - 2010.02.26 20:14:00 -
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It's been my experience that this goes way beyond just salvage theft. In my last 3 mission attempts, other players come into my deadspace, killed all my targets and mission objectives, salvaged everything and I am powerless to do anything about it. No flags, no concord, no nothing. If this is by design then I don't understsnd the point of missions or even why PvE exists at all.
Guess its time to move on. I really liked it here, but I am learning that I am paying for a game and someone else is getting more out of it than I am. And these guys have always provided me with top notch in game support to... such a shame. Good luck to the rest of you.
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Dacryphile
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Posted - 2010.02.26 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Hammer McGowan Guess its time to move on. I really liked it here, but I am learning that I am paying for a game and someone else is getting more out of it than I am. And these guys have always provided me with top notch in game support to... such a shame. Good luck to the rest of you.
Can I have your stuff?
Originally by: Doc Robertson ...take a good look at this pic and tell us which one is you.
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Voridor Malevolence
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.02.26 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Hammer McGowan I really liked it here
too bad we didnt like you
good riddance
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caboaddict
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Posted - 2010.02.26 23:54:00 -
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Edited by: caboaddict on 26/02/2010 23:54:13
Originally by: Xander XacXorien
1) Every aspect of the game in Eve is no risk no reward, yet here we have a game breaking mechanic where there is no risk yet a high level reward from lvl 4+ mission salvage is just a scan away.
If the new Eve is ok to have all the reward and no risk I want 0.0 ores in high sec, moon mining in high sec, capital building in high sec.
This is a game breaking mechanic [and] the "capture the flag" 0.0 sovereignty in this. A game "design" whereby blobs are the result which results in lag which results in no game.
Personally you just sound like a scorned carebear who missions in a highly populated system and is seeing this working as intended game mechanic in play.
To take your thought then, why have FW or Sov or PVP or mining? you argue that "ninja" salvaging is a broken game mechanic because people are taking what you interpret as yours.
Well if you carry that over, there should be no FW because once a system has been ceded to an empire it's unfair and game breaking for those that won the system. Which means that Sovereignty and null sec should be stopped as it's game breaking and cheating for a corp or alliance to challenge the sov of the current system holder. And for that matter why have PvP at all. It's not right that you can blow up my ship if I don't won't it to be blown up. It's cheating and game breaking. Lastly, leave my `roids alone!! Just because they are in space and you can warp to them doesn't mean you can mine them. You are breaking my game play.
But that's a fantasy world and frankly you need to go find a game that has a pve server.
HTFU change your fit and start salvaging as you go or stop complaining. There is a counter to "ninja" salvaging. you just don't want to use it.
If you aren't in Null sec why should you care about "the blob"? Why can't 1600 people get together and play internet spaceships? I'd like to know how you think 0.0 and alliance warfare should be handled?
Risk and reward? how about the fact that the person has to take the time to scan a mission runner down, worry about NPC aggression, recon 3 of 3, and crappy salvage? And the fact that they could have made more money having gone to salvage another person's mission?
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Tanthius Vanter
Gallente Vanter Ventures
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Posted - 2010.02.27 11:11:00 -
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Get a friend, corpmate or just hire a newbie to hang out in an insured destroyer and pop ninjas. Loot their wreck. Laugh. Go about your ratting.
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Moghydin
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.02.27 18:42:00 -
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Just like nothing changed since I left the game nearly 2 years ago. If they didn't do anything about it for 2 years, may be salvaging is working the way they think it should work
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Dr Kelda
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Posted - 2010.02.27 19:18:00 -
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Oh good god not again...there have already been numerous threadnaughts on this subject - use the damn search function...
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