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N Ano
Caldari
Zerg Corp
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Posted - 2010.02.26 18:18:00 -
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This is by no means CCP's fault. It's not your fault either.
CCP did what they could and like many stated can't do certain things that would break the game to a certain extent.
So don't bother blaming CCP for this because its just plain stupid.
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JitaSchnitte
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Posted - 2010.02.26 18:25:00 -
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Edited by: JitaSchnitte on 26/02/2010 18:30:24
 Originally by: Tippia
leaked sourcecode
5 min. search in google and u will see CCP's security. I dont want to post it here because of the banstick.
Btw. shortly after that CCP Kieron left without saying "goodbye". I dont know if that has anything to do with it tho.
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Mashie Saldana
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.02.26 18:31:00 -
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It wasn't the source code that was leaked, someone just decompiled the Python bit of the client.
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FarosWarrior
Amarr
Sonnema
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Posted - 2010.02.26 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Aschera Nintu
Originally by: Trustworthy Joe
Originally by: Aschera Nintu
Stuff
CCP cant just take money back from the market, it would ruin the balance in this game.
sure, i understand that. and its not the point.
the point is, that everything i earned in playing hardcore for 4 years is now gone, then u get 10 bil isk, wich is nothing in eve, and wish u good luck on recoverying ur loss. this is a slap into the face of the customer.
this is not an emoranger i quit eve thread cos i lost a mission raven due to worlds collide.
i couldnt care less if i get stupid replys or flames, as im already out. and if i can warn some people on what can happen to them and what theire assets are really woth, im glad as this is definitely the last thing i do in eve.
greetings
just get out already, I'm a carebear but my wallet almost never reaches the 10 digits, and when it does I normally have to deduct 300m for my alt's plex
so give the 10b to me if its change for you
cheers, Faros
"As long as we're jammed we might as well throw those 1400mm's at them"
Charlie Fodder, Clear Skies |
DJV's Lawyer
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Posted - 2010.02.26 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: DJV''s Lawyer on 26/02/2010 19:03:57
why is pancake not a good password 
i find it to be a good password
not like everyone pass needs to be B56nl10oN754bhpkj&?%&?$(*(%
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Duncan MacPherson
Minmatar
Clan MacPherson
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Posted - 2010.02.26 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: DJV's Lawyer
Edited by: DJV''s Lawyer on 26/02/2010 19:03:57
why is pancake not a good password
i find it to be a good password
not like everyone pass needs to be B56nl10oN754bhpkj&?%&?$(*(%
great now I have to change my password.
Wait - That is a $ not an S. NM I am good
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2010.02.26 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Yes. My alliance tag should tell you as much. 
Ugh... I always saw you as a 'neutral' person, in the bin with that malformed view. ;/
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James Tritanius
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Posted - 2010.02.26 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Aschera Nintu
Originally by: Trustworthy Joe
Originally by: Aschera Nintu
Stuff
CCP cant just take money back from the market, it would ruin the balance in this game.
sure, i understand that. and its not the point.
the point is, that everything i earned in playing hardcore for 4 years is now gone, then u get 10 bil isk, wich is nothing in eve, and wish u good luck on recoverying ur loss. this is a slap into the face of the customer.
Well **** you very much. I would wager 99.9% of EVE would not view 10 bil isk as "nothing."
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Lucy Wing
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Posted - 2010.02.26 19:59:00 -
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Worst thing is those bastards saying "its your fault, get over it" and blablablah.
If this would happen to you, you would all cry like babies.
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ISellThingz
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Posted - 2010.02.26 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Lucy Wing
Worst thing is those bastards saying "its your fault, get over it" and blablablah.
If this would happen to you, you would all cry like babies.
Have to agree. Each and everyone of you "HTFU ****ers" would probably drown in a puddle of your own tears if this had happened to you.
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Arvano
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Posted - 2010.02.26 20:15:00 -
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But it won't happen to anybody if you don't put your username or PW into any website except for the eveonline website.
Or download anything from shady websites that aren't well known.
Or give password or unsername to "trusted friends".
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Gorki Andropov
THIS IS GAME
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Posted - 2010.02.26 20:16:00 -
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Quote:
short everything u expect in a well sortet hangar to be there after 4 years of play...
Did they steal your dictionaries and style guides while they were at it?
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"I have not problem with prostitute, but the kiddy dools is to much for me" - Orcan |
Sig Sour
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Posted - 2010.02.26 20:22:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Tippia
So, about that "fact" of yoursà
Are you serious? If you are not trolling, perhaps you are not reading correct?
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Tippia
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.26 20:40:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Sig Sour
Originally by: Tippia
So, about that "fact" of yours…
Are you serious? If you are not trolling, perhaps you are not reading correct?
I'm dead serious. There is no reason whatsoever for CCP to have your password on record – it is, in fact, pretty bad security practice for them to do so.
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
— Karath Piki |
Sig Sour
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Posted - 2010.02.26 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
I'm dead serious. There is no reason whatsoever for CCP to have your password on record û it is, in fact, pretty bad security practice for them to do so.
heh.
When you punch your password, it is not the password god determining that it is the correct password. It is the verification system built by CCP to determine if you entered the correct password. In order for them to know that the password you entered is correct, guess what... they know your password.
(I never imagined I would have to explain that to someone)
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Spurty
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2010.02.26 20:54:00 -
[106]
Reading this makes me want to self destruct all my ships. The levels of care such hamfisted practices use zap all care about the game
Originally by: Hurley
I WAS NOT QUITTING SoT AND WAS NOT THINKING ABOUT JOINING IT. PL/SoT MADE A MISTAKE AND ARE NOT MAN ENOUGH TO ADMIT IT OR FIX IT.
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Nambu
Caldari
Nova Prospekt Initiative
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Posted - 2010.02.26 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: Sig Sour
Originally by: Tippia
I'm dead serious. There is no reason whatsoever for CCP to have your password on record û it is, in fact, pretty bad security practice for them to do so.
heh.
When you punch your password, it is not the password god determining that it is the correct password. It is the verification system built by CCP to determine if you entered the correct password. In order for them to know that the password you entered is correct, guess what... they know your password.
(I never imagined I would have to explain that to someone)
Yes, except anyone who knows anything about computer security, knows that a quality pasword system only stores 1-way hashes of passwords, and that your client hashes your entered password which is then compared to the hash in their password file. Noone compares plaintext passwords.
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2010.02.26 21:34:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Nambu
Yes, except anyone who knows anything about computer security, knows that a quality pasword system only stores 1-way hashes of passwords, and that your client hashes your entered password which is then compared to the hash in their password file. Noone compares plaintext passwords.
Hashed or plain text, it doesn't matter if the server accepts the handshake.
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Tippia
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.26 22:14:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Sig Sour
Originally by: Nambu
Yes, except anyone who knows anything about computer security, knows that a quality pasword system only stores 1-way hashes of passwords, and that your client hashes your entered password which is then compared to the hash in their password file. Noone compares plaintext passwords.
Hashed or plain text, it doesn't matter if the server accepts the handshake.
…except that a proper hash means that, even if you know the answer, you don't know how to enter it.
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
— Karath Piki |
Damion Stranek
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Posted - 2010.02.26 22:28:00 -
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Anyone who is saying that his account being hacked was obviously his fault are being incredibly naive. Just like in eve, you and your computer are never safe as long as you are on the internet. Every time you submit your password you are not guaranteed safety. Not only this, but your password is stored in some corporation's database, hopefully encrypted, but not guaranteed safe by any means. I am inclined to believe the OP, sometimes, **** just happens. Its a shame that he lost all of his assets, and I believe he should have been compensated more than the pittance he received. It would not be unreasonable to return his rarer items, or atleast give him a fair market value for some of his larger items. If nothing else CCP should be a little more flexible with a player who has been around for 6 years and has supported them for so long.
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James Tritanius
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Posted - 2010.02.26 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Damion Stranek
If nothing else CCP should be a little more flexible with a player who has been around for 6 years and has supported them for so long.
lolwut? You do realize it would create an avalanche of cries, whines and threats to quit EVE?
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Dante Marcellus
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.02.26 23:16:00 -
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I wouldn't quit. If I were you, I'd take a step back for a week or two, maybe let the frustration fully vent out of your system. Then, when you're ready -- format your PC, reinstall everything you had before with the latest updates, along with EVE. Change your EVE password and just do what the other guy said, only keep what you need.
I know I'm new and all, but I don't think EVE needs to lose players :P
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Vossejongk
Caldari
Bendebeukers
Green Rhino
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Posted - 2010.02.26 23:23:00 -
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CCP, WHEN will we be able to get an authenticator or something similar to it, so hacking accounts will be 99.99999% IMPOSSIBLE.
WHEN !?
God knows how many times this has happened yet and still the most easyest way to prevent it isnt offered!
Such a shame
But then again I cant really approve of any of this because this is my signature |
Sig Sour
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Posted - 2010.02.26 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
àexcept that a proper hash means that, even if you know the answer, you don't know how to enter it.
Visit Fact 3.
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Mistah Ewedynao
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.02.26 23:31:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Arvano
Or download anything from shady websites that aren't well known.
So...the well known Shady websites are OK? Thanks for that informative tidbit.
Overall, CCP's reaction and response to the rash of hackings has been underwhelming.
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Joe Censored
Unknown-Entity
Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.26 23:35:00 -
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If CCP were to dupe your items back then that is something that could easily be exploited. Sell tons of items in a station at uber discount where a friend of yours has the majority of the buy orders up, then CCP dupes them all back to you after you complain about being "hacked." Way way too easy to exploit that way.
Next game you play maybe you won't keep all your items on your one account when you say you already run multiple accounts, and are more careful with your password. You say you were careful with that password of yours, but I seriously doubt your account was hacked using a brute force attack. Meaning it was your fault your account got hacked, and you should be happy CCP was willing to do anything for you at all.
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Tippia
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.26 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: Sig Sour
Originally by: Tippia
…except that a proper hash means that, even if you know the answer, you don't know how to enter it.
Visit Fact 3.
…which isn't a fact either, and (if done correctly) won't help you anyway.
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
— Karath Piki |
Sig Sour
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Posted - 2010.02.26 23:41:00 -
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Ok, you provided a strong argument and proved me wrong.
Because of your strong argument: The source code was not leaked. There is no humanly possible way to hack in to someones account through methods other than key loggers.
Thanks for keeping us safe.
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.27 00:35:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Joe Censored
Edited by: Joe Censored on 26/02/2010 23:39:43
If CCP were to dupe your items back then that is something that could easily be exploited. Sell tons of items in a station at uber discount where a friend of yours has the majority of the buy orders up, then CCP dupes them all back to you after you complain about being "hacked." Way way too easy to exploit that way.
So you are saying that CCP would not investigate the claim of a hacked account and would not be able to tell the difference 
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2010.02.27 04:43:00 -
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Okay
After careful reading I think I get it now.
1) Hack acct.
2) Sell all assets to alt for **** all
3) Repeat as often as possible
4) Profit
Not sure if this is what CCP mean when when they bandy about their 'cold, harsh universe' mantra. And I really don't think that returning stolen goods is bad for the game. The way it is set up now the bad guys win. This is OK in game but not RL and hacking accts is definitely RL.
Mr Epeen 
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