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SPACE L0RD
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.13 16:38:00 -
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Yeah there is something wrong with your macbook. Try uninstalling smc first and then test. My MBP 13" shoots up into the high 70s/mid 80's before the fans start to spin up past 2k, then it settles after a bit in the low 70's. If your fans are running full blast by 100C then you have a problem. Mine idles around 50C if I'm just doing light stuff like surfing the web/email etc. I have the eve client on mine, but I only use to for light stuff (skills, hauling, etc).. If I'm going to do a any pvp or fleet combat I go use my desktop system.
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Aratadu
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Posted - 2010.03.13 17:58:00 -
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my new iMac 27' is too hot to touch when running eve mac client, scaring me - I really don't think it's some sort of "obviously YOUR laptop has (x) problem" issue -
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SPACE L0RD
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.13 22:11:00 -
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Play in windowed mode, your imac will use 50% of the cpu vs fullscreen. As a result your system will generate less heat. And yes 100C with 2k fans is a problem on a macbook, no if ands or buts about it. Read the forums and you'll see normal temps and fan speeds for various machines and resolutions.
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Mashie Saldana
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.03.19 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: SPACE L0RD Cider games (eve included) should all come with warning to laptop users. Guess we'll have to wait for the class action lawsuit for them to start doing it.
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SPACE L0RD
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.21 19:09:00 -
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not really. there is a compromise between business class laptops and gaming laptops like those made by alienware. research the differences. i have dell m1530 with 8600gt that has far worse heat issues while gaming than the macbook does. My wifes sony viao will melt your lap while playing 2nd life or eve. If you don't recognize that those levels of heat are reducing the life of your equipment, well, then your just in denial.
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Solbright
Advanced Security And Asset Protection
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Posted - 2010.03.21 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: SPACE L0RD If you don't recognize that those levels of heat are reducing the life of your equipment, well, then your just in denial.
Then you've got a faulty laptop. If it can't handle 100% at all times it's faulty. It's really that simple.
You've been told a number of times. Who's in denial here?
----- The Eve Client - A Love Story - The single biggest fix CCP ever did to Eve. Keep it up! |
Apple Boy
Gallente Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2010.03.22 19:32:00 -
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solbright is right, if the laptop can't handle 100% load at all times then it is a flaw in the laptop design. It should be designed to properly cool what it can run at if being ran in a room around 70-75F (23C).
My laptop finally completely died . Going to take it in this week to see if I'm lucky, although doubt it since it's 3 months past the 3 year warranty.
I've currently been playing eve on a 7 year old laptop, dell inspiron 9300. Waiting for the i7 mbp's to come out. Funny thing is, this old 32bit pentium proc is giving me 20FPS during basic combat with the same settings that on my mbp gave me 5FPS .
CCP: learn from Valve, switch to opengl! Also, can anyone at CCP comment on if they're working on improving the performance on the mac client in general? I miss the tech blogs
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SPACE L0RD
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.23 22:27:00 -
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Edited by: SPACE L0RD on 23/03/2010 22:28:12 Not really. Cider is an ANOMALY in how it uses CPU cores, the windows client doesn't even come close to 50% in one core on my macbook, but in OSX BOTH cores are pegged 100% for as long as you are playing. There is common sense here and you both don't appear to be using any. Go ahead, use your macbook and mini's that way and expect them to last.....heat kills chips, thermal expansion kills caps, all of that shortens the life of your laptop...If you wan't a laptop that can take that kind of abuse (100% both cores + GPU for hours on end), get an alienware...you'll notice it will be MUCH louder and almost TWICE as thick...Oh, and if you don't like my OPINION STFU and keep that "you've been told" crap to yourself....move on cuz clearly we disagree.
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Solbright
Advanced Security And Asset Protection
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Posted - 2010.03.24 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: SPACE L0RD Not really. Cider is an ANOMALY in how it uses CPU cores, the windows client doesn't even come close to 50% in one core on my macbook, but in OSX BOTH cores are pegged 100% for as long as you are playing.
That doesn't at all change the reliability of the hardware. Just because one piece if software wants 100% makes no diff at all.
Quote: ...heat kills chips, thermal expansion kills caps, all of that shortens the life of your laptop
That doesn't stop this laptop being a flawed design does it? I agree you can work around such a flaw by treating it as if it's ******ed but there is no reason this should be considered acceptable.
Quote: If you wan't a laptop that can take that kind of abuse (100% both cores + GPU for hours on end), get an alienware...you'll notice it will be MUCH louder and almost TWICE as thick...
100% is not abuse. What an Alienware gives is extra performance when still running at 100%. Just that it's 100% is faster is all.
Quote: Oh, and if you don't like my OPINION STFU...
Speak for yourself.
----- The Eve Client - A Love Story - The single biggest fix CCP ever did to Eve. Keep it up! |
Oli Robbo
Gallente Entity. Talos Coalition
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Posted - 2010.03.24 13:31:00 -
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Edited by: Oli Robbo on 24/03/2010 13:31:56
I run on a mbp 17" 3.06, with pretty high specs, I think it's worth the little extra to keep it cool - am looking into getting one of these, has anyone here got any experience with one?
The reviews look really good, and it will definatly help with erganomics.
[I run EVE on bootcamp since I play a lot of other games like killingfloor etc that are only available on xp, the cooling is ok, but when I fraps or dual box the fan is loud as hell which messes up comms - if anything thats the main problem I have lol].
Edit, yeah I know, its pitiful having windows on my mac, but I need this partition to stop me installing EVE on snowleopard and messing up the time I have to work [no self discipline].
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Apple Boy
Gallente Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2010.03.25 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: Oli Robbo I run on a mbp 17" 3.06, with pretty high specs, I think it's worth the little extra to keep it cool - am looking into getting one of these, has anyone here got any experience with one?
I have that very laptop cooler, it is helpful, especially when using the laptop in your lap. I never did any testing to be able to say how much of a difference in temp it makes, but to me it's worth it with the mac since it uses the entire case as a heat sync basically.
Quote: You may also want to look into getting a program called 'SMC Fan Control'
Yep, almost always used it when running anything cpu intensive to keep the CPU cool. Apple's fan settings need to be more aggressive.
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Schnitzar
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Posted - 2010.03.25 09:09:00 -
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Just an update on the Macbook,
Using SMC to keep the fan at 5.5k RPM the CPU temps stay between 60 and 70 depending on what I'm doing in game. If I drop the RMP to 4k there is a significant increase in temps, they get up to nearly 90.
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Schnitzar
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Posted - 2010.03.29 10:05:00 -
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I now have Windows 7 installed also. When I boot into that and run the Windows version of EVE I get about the same FPS but my machine runs much much cooler. The fan is pretty much silent and temps are around 60 degrees. I'm guessing fan speed is about 2.5k RPM.
The other advantage is that when running in Mac OS, when I minimize EVE all other programs run very very slowly, no such problem when running in Windows.
Just looking for a good cpu temp / fan speed app for windows now. Speed Fan does not pick up my fan...
Regards
Schnitz
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Solbright
Advanced Security And Asset Protection
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Posted - 2010.03.29 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Schnitzar The other advantage is that when running in Mac OS, when I minimize EVE all other programs run very very slowly, no such problem when running in Windows.
That one is rather peculiar. Can't explain it myself. Anyone care to try out running Eve via WineBottler?
----- The Eve Client - A Love Story - The single biggest fix CCP ever did to Eve. Keep it up! |
Oli Robbo
Gallente Entity. WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.03.29 23:34:00 -
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Originally by: Schnitzar I now have Windows 7 installed also. When I boot into that and run the Windows version of EVE I get about the same FPS but my machine runs much much cooler. The fan is pretty much silent and temps are around 60 degrees. I'm guessing fan speed is about 2.5k RPM.
The other advantage is that when running in Mac OS, when I minimize EVE all other programs run very very slowly, no such problem when running in Windows.
Just looking for a good cpu temp / fan speed app for windows now. Speed Fan does not pick up my fan...
Regards
Schnitz
Yeah Mine gets a little hot when dual-boxing/fraps.. I haven't started using SMC on this machine yet since im still using the built in mic and am too tight/poor to buy a headset [student].
Thats the only downside I've noticed so far, people always ask me if I'm playing in an aeroplane in vent,
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CEO Greene
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Posted - 2010.04.21 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Enthral Unless you're gaming while in a sauna, this sounds more like a hardware issue with your specific laptop. You may have some creeping hardware issues. Fans all working? Nothing is blocked up? Do you smoke in your office, or are in a particularly dusty environment?
If, on the other hand, you ARE gaming while in a sauna... I don't want to know, thank you very much!
I disagree. My Macbook Pro runs extremely hot when playing also. It hasn't failed yet, but I don't understand why. Fortunately, its a business provided laptop. there are more where this came from!
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Vaneshi SnowCrash
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Posted - 2010.04.24 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: SPACE L0RD Edited by: SPACE L0RD on 23/03/2010 22:28:12 Not really. Cider is an ANOMALY in how it uses CPU cores, the windows client doesn't even come close to 50% in one core on my macbook, but in OSX BOTH cores are pegged 100% for as long as you are playing. There is common sense here and you both don't appear to be using any. Go ahead, use your macbook and mini's that way and expect them to last.....heat kills chips, thermal expansion kills caps, all of that shortens the life of your laptop...If you wan't a laptop that can take that kind of abuse (100% both cores + GPU for hours on end), get an alienware...you'll notice it will be MUCH louder and almost TWICE as thick...Oh, and if you don't like my OPINION STFU and keep that "you've been told" crap to yourself....move on cuz clearly we disagree.
I would go as far as to say both Cider AND EVE are anomolies in how they utilise CPU resources.
However, I do agree with others that if a machine has not been designed to cool itself down when running flat out it has been designed incorrectly.
Alienware... I can't comment on but I can on the Dell XPS line (which is pretty much the same thing, same company and so on). Specifically the venerable M1710 "gaming laptop". Now the sales dude said it was Mag Alloy. No it was plastic. I think part of the cooler assemble for the 7900GS might of been mag alloy but I'm no metalurgist... recognise plastic when I see it and scratch it though. It was louder than my 13" MBP true, but it's main fan had fewer fins than my MBP's blower does... it had to rotate faster to push just as much air. It was thicker because they couldn't use the chassis as part of the cooling mechanism (plastic v Alu) and the discrete GPU sat on a daughter card above the logic board.
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Marcathonas
Minmatar Beastmode.
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Posted - 2010.04.25 19:17:00 -
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Edited by: Marcathonas on 25/04/2010 19:22:03
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