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Side Liner	Posted - 2004.11.27 12:04:00 - [1] I'm just wondering if there is much point in trying for a heavy assault ship now that we have battlecruisers? The bcs look very powerful from the stats, though the heavy assault ships do have more power in the cpu and pg and may therefore be able to last longer in a drawn out fight. I'd be interested to know how people feel about this - particularly anyone who has had the pleasure to try out both, in npc and pvp. Thanks in advance
Side Liner	Posted - 2004.11.27 12:04:00 - [2] I'm just wondering if there is much point in trying for a heavy assault ship now that we have battlecruisers? The bcs look very powerful from the stats, though the heavy assault ships do have more power in the cpu and pg and may therefore be able to last longer in a drawn out fight. I'd be interested to know how people feel about this - particularly anyone who has had the pleasure to try out both, in npc and pvp. Thanks in advance
Leam	Posted - 2004.11.27 12:09:00 - [3] Assault cruisers are techII, overall they're better than bc, but more expensive and harder to train for. BCs seems good, i like em, but i havent tested it yet, but i heard they re very good(but brutix, many ppl complaining about it... sad, it's the best looking.. and im gallente lol)
Leam	Posted - 2004.11.27 12:09:00 - [4] Assault cruisers are techII, overall they're better than bc, but more expensive and harder to train for. BCs seems good, i like em, but i havent tested it yet, but i heard they re very good(but brutix, many ppl complaining about it... sad, it's the best looking.. and im gallente lol)
Vailin Snow	Posted - 2004.11.27 12:09:00 - [5] Yes, Heavy assaults are more powerfull... All the support stuff like armour/shield hardners are not needed to thesame degree. They have thesame firepower as BCs and are faster.
Vailin Snow	Posted - 2004.11.27 12:09:00 - [6] Yes, Heavy assaults are more powerfull... All the support stuff like armour/shield hardners are not needed to thesame degree. They have thesame firepower as BCs and are faster.
Sangxianc	Posted - 2004.11.27 12:10:00 - [7] Look at the resistances, powergrid and cpu. Heavy Assault ships are still king. - Any man's death diminishes me, as I am involved in mankinde; And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee.
Sangxianc	Posted - 2004.11.27 12:10:00 - [8] Look at the resistances, powergrid and cpu. Heavy Assault ships are still king. - Any man's death diminishes me, as I am involved in mankinde; And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee.
0seeker0	Posted - 2004.11.27 12:18:00 - [9] Plus, heavy assault ships (and assault frigates) get 4 bonuses, where the BC's only get 2. San. Character "Widescreen" is a scammer; beware. Check my bio for a list of known scammers.
0seeker0	Posted - 2004.11.27 12:18:00 - [10] Plus, heavy assault ships (and assault frigates) get 4 bonuses, where the BC's only get 2. San. Character "Widescreen" is a scammer; beware. Check my bio for a list of known scammers.
Side Liner	Posted - 2004.11.27 13:06:00 - [11] Thanks guys for responding, the info is very helpful. May take me 6 weeks to train up to hvy assault ships
Side Liner	Posted - 2004.11.27 13:06:00 - [12] Thanks guys for responding, the info is very helpful. May take me 6 weeks to train up to hvy assault ships
Raem Civrie	Posted - 2004.11.27 15:09:00 - [13] Heavy Assaults kill Battleships. I don't think they should have problems with Battlecruisers.
Raem Civrie	Posted - 2004.11.27 15:09:00 - [14] Heavy Assaults kill Battleships. I don't think they should have problems with Battlecruisers.
Chode Rizoum	Posted - 2004.11.27 16:11:00 - [15] :P i was in brutix - and myal(corp mate ) was in saccrilage .. i got wtfpwned :P Centuria > whoot? Centuria > you stalking me? :) -- Nafri > then I a bird pooed on my head AND ON MY MEAL -- http://www.subroc.net/teddybears/
Chode Rizoum	Posted - 2004.11.27 16:11:00 - [16] :P i was in brutix - and myal(corp mate ) was in saccrilage .. i got wtfpwned :P Centuria > whoot? Centuria > you stalking me? :) -- Nafri > then I a bird pooed on my head AND ON MY MEAL -- http://www.subroc.net/teddybears/
Demangel	Posted - 2004.11.27 16:32:00 - [17] I don't even need to fly either of em to tell you, Assaults will rock a BC's house every time. But make no mistake, BC's are a step in the right direction. Getting an assault cruiser isn't that easy, and the costs are VERY prohibitive. Most I know would say your better off just saving up for your BS instead... Kind of like an interceptor. I mean if you love cruisers, definately get an assault Cruiser. Same with frigs, if you love frigs, get an inty or assault frig. Definately, but don't think it's not going to cost you an arm and a leg. I would rather have 2 BC's than ONE heavy assault ship. Or even maybe a normal cruiser and a BC versus an assault ship, with the right pair, that would probably come out pretty even. Right? Anyway once TII items have more time to drop in price, the assault ships will definately outshine thier TI counterparts... Because right now, despite thier benefits, almost a waste of ISK. If you got ISK that grows on trees, then hells yeah get one. But if your like me and can't save up beyond 30 million for more than an hour, an assault ANYTHING isn't for you... Gewt your BS first I say... Having said that, I like BC's even though they need a LOT of balancing, they will make getting a BS that much easier for people who don't have one yet. Before it could take a LONG time to get a BS without heavy corp support. Especialy if you don't use low sec. Besides, just how much does the average cruiser pilot make in an hour of game time? Sure some people can do amazing things in Tech I cruisers, and rake in the cash, but the average player probably racks up about 1-3 million an hour tops (3 on a good day). Thats not bad... But thats still 70-120 hours or so of work to get a BS... Thats a LOT of work. So unless your one of those wonder players, or have a strong corp backing, getting your first BS takes a LONG time, and usualy it involves the more boring parts of the game... But a BC doesn't cost half that really, and by the look of em, will mean ISK comes in a lot faster by comparison... Possibly enough to make it take half the time to get your BS. and on top of that you get a new ship in the meantime. Know what I mean? It will likely take the same amount of time to get that BS, but at least halfway through, you can get a BC and do some lower level BS things in the mean time :) Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you Demangel > Dude... I would call.. Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet. Galaxion > Just a bit.
Demangel	Posted - 2004.11.27 16:32:00 - [18] I don't even need to fly either of em to tell you, Assaults will rock a BC's house every time. But make no mistake, BC's are a step in the right direction. Getting an assault cruiser isn't that easy, and the costs are VERY prohibitive. Most I know would say your better off just saving up for your BS instead... Kind of like an interceptor. I mean if you love cruisers, definately get an assault Cruiser. Same with frigs, if you love frigs, get an inty or assault frig. Definately, but don't think it's not going to cost you an arm and a leg. I would rather have 2 BC's than ONE heavy assault ship. Or even maybe a normal cruiser and a BC versus an assault ship, with the right pair, that would probably come out pretty even. Right? Anyway once TII items have more time to drop in price, the assault ships will definately outshine thier TI counterparts... Because right now, despite thier benefits, almost a waste of ISK. If you got ISK that grows on trees, then hells yeah get one. But if your like me and can't save up beyond 30 million for more than an hour, an assault ANYTHING isn't for you... Gewt your BS first I say... Having said that, I like BC's even though they need a LOT of balancing, they will make getting a BS that much easier for people who don't have one yet. Before it could take a LONG time to get a BS without heavy corp support. Especialy if you don't use low sec. Besides, just how much does the average cruiser pilot make in an hour of game time? Sure some people can do amazing things in Tech I cruisers, and rake in the cash, but the average player probably racks up about 1-3 million an hour tops (3 on a good day). Thats not bad... But thats still 70-120 hours or so of work to get a BS... Thats a LOT of work. So unless your one of those wonder players, or have a strong corp backing, getting your first BS takes a LONG time, and usualy it involves the more boring parts of the game... But a BC doesn't cost half that really, and by the look of em, will mean ISK comes in a lot faster by comparison... Possibly enough to make it take half the time to get your BS. and on top of that you get a new ship in the meantime. Know what I mean? It will likely take the same amount of time to get that BS, but at least halfway through, you can get a BC and do some lower level BS things in the mean time :) Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you Demangel > Dude... I would call.. Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet. Galaxion > Just a bit.
Vexed	Posted - 2004.11.27 18:12:00 - [19] I bought a Prophecy to use for lvl 3 agent missions and sold it on about 2 hours later, battleships or heavy assaults are just so much more effective. Having said that I think it's great that they have introduced them as they effectively bridge the huge gap from cruisers to battleships. Obviously they play a role in PVP fleet battles which is the intention but for other things the above is true. About BC vs Heavy Assaults, well there's not really a contest, look at the bonuses you get with heavy assaults and you'll see that any of them will shred a battlecruiser pretty sharpish. That's why the skill requirements are high, because they are evil ships. All in all, battlecruisers are a welcome addition as it will give newer players a stepping stone to battleships and added diversity to fleet battles. yay!
Vexed	Posted - 2004.11.27 18:12:00 - [20] I bought a Prophecy to use for lvl 3 agent missions and sold it on about 2 hours later, battleships or heavy assaults are just so much more effective. Having said that I think it's great that they have introduced them as they effectively bridge the huge gap from cruisers to battleships. Obviously they play a role in PVP fleet battles which is the intention but for other things the above is true. About BC vs Heavy Assaults, well there's not really a contest, look at the bonuses you get with heavy assaults and you'll see that any of them will shred a battlecruiser pretty sharpish. That's why the skill requirements are high, because they are evil ships. All in all, battlecruisers are a welcome addition as it will give newer players a stepping stone to battleships and added diversity to fleet battles. yay!
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2004.11.27 19:37:00 - [21] Originally by: Vexed I bought a Prophecy to use for lvl 3 agent missions and sold it on about 2 hours later, battleships or heavy assaults are just so much more effective. Having said that I think it's great that they have introduced them as they effectively bridge the huge gap from cruisers to battleships. Obviously they play a role in PVP fleet battles which is the intention but for other things the above is true. About BC vs Heavy Assaults, well there's not really a contest, look at the bonuses you get with heavy assaults and you'll see that any of them will shred a battlecruiser pretty sharpish. That's why the skill requirements are high, because they are evil ships. All in all, battlecruisers are a welcome addition as it will give newer players a stepping stone to battleships and added diversity to fleet battles. yay! Are you stupid? You just don't know how to fit a ship. Our corp prophecies are taking on NPC BSs and Inties with NO PROBLEM. Its the best ship in the game atm. -------------------- The Nest
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2004.11.27 19:37:00 - [22] Originally by: Vexed I bought a Prophecy to use for lvl 3 agent missions and sold it on about 2 hours later, battleships or heavy assaults are just so much more effective. Having said that I think it's great that they have introduced them as they effectively bridge the huge gap from cruisers to battleships. Obviously they play a role in PVP fleet battles which is the intention but for other things the above is true. About BC vs Heavy Assaults, well there's not really a contest, look at the bonuses you get with heavy assaults and you'll see that any of them will shred a battlecruiser pretty sharpish. That's why the skill requirements are high, because they are evil ships. All in all, battlecruisers are a welcome addition as it will give newer players a stepping stone to battleships and added diversity to fleet battles. yay! Are you stupid? You just don't know how to fit a ship. Our corp prophecies are taking on NPC BSs and Inties with NO PROBLEM. Its the best ship in the game atm. -------------------- The Nest
Vailin Snow	Posted - 2004.11.28 00:12:00 - [23] If you want a fast ship with exelent firepower.... Prophecy is IT. With engineering 5 it swallows a 100 MN AB and still has 1000 grid left over. BS are still TOO SLOW and I'm not gona fly one unless they get faster. If you can fly the Sacrelidge (spelling~?) fly it, its better, but dont think that a BC is nothing to a BS. Cruiser guns can still hit ships on both ends of the spectrum. Both the Prophesy and the Sacrilidge make best use of their bonuses with cruiser guns and short range setups while on a BS your forced to used cruiser or frigate guns and loosing your ship bonus. This is more than just a stepping stone.... The only downside on the sacrilidge is that it cant be fully insured, but used with all your skills maxed out it is king. I cant pass comment on other races ships since i havent tried them.
Vailin Snow	Posted - 2004.11.28 00:12:00 - [24] If you want a fast ship with exelent firepower.... Prophecy is IT. With engineering 5 it swallows a 100 MN AB and still has 1000 grid left over. BS are still TOO SLOW and I'm not gona fly one unless they get faster. If you can fly the Sacrelidge (spelling~?) fly it, its better, but dont think that a BC is nothing to a BS. Cruiser guns can still hit ships on both ends of the spectrum. Both the Prophesy and the Sacrilidge make best use of their bonuses with cruiser guns and short range setups while on a BS your forced to used cruiser or frigate guns and loosing your ship bonus. This is more than just a stepping stone.... The only downside on the sacrilidge is that it cant be fully insured, but used with all your skills maxed out it is king. I cant pass comment on other races ships since i havent tried them.
Dexter Rast	Posted - 2004.11.28 00:26:00 - [25] Quote: Our corp prophecies are taking on NPC BSs and Inties with NO PROBLEM. Its the best ship in the game atm. that is a very bold statement ---------------------------------------------
Dexter Rast	Posted - 2004.11.28 00:26:00 - [26] Quote: Our corp prophecies are taking on NPC BSs and Inties with NO PROBLEM. Its the best ship in the game atm. that is a very bold statement ---------------------------------------------
Sheraad	Posted - 2004.11.28 02:46:00 - [27] Originally by: Kaylana Syi Originally by: Vexed I bought a Prophecy to use for lvl 3 agent missions and sold it on about 2 hours later, battleships or heavy assaults are just so much more effective. Having said that I think it's great that they have introduced them as they effectively bridge the huge gap from cruisers to battleships. Obviously they play a role in PVP fleet battles which is the intention but for other things the above is true. About BC vs Heavy Assaults, well there's not really a contest, look at the bonuses you get with heavy assaults and you'll see that any of them will shred a battlecruiser pretty sharpish. That's why the skill requirements are high, because they are evil ships. All in all, battlecruisers are a welcome addition as it will give newer players a stepping stone to battleships and added diversity to fleet battles. yay! Are you stupid? You just don't know how to fit a ship. Our corp prophecies are taking on NPC BSs and Inties with NO PROBLEM. Its the best ship in the game atm. Setup please. Or tell us how, because frankly I don't believe you, unless 'our corp prophecies' is a group of 5 of them or something :D
Sheraad	Posted - 2004.11.28 02:46:00 - [28] Originally by: Kaylana Syi Originally by: Vexed I bought a Prophecy to use for lvl 3 agent missions and sold it on about 2 hours later, battleships or heavy assaults are just so much more effective. Having said that I think it's great that they have introduced them as they effectively bridge the huge gap from cruisers to battleships. Obviously they play a role in PVP fleet battles which is the intention but for other things the above is true. About BC vs Heavy Assaults, well there's not really a contest, look at the bonuses you get with heavy assaults and you'll see that any of them will shred a battlecruiser pretty sharpish. That's why the skill requirements are high, because they are evil ships. All in all, battlecruisers are a welcome addition as it will give newer players a stepping stone to battleships and added diversity to fleet battles. yay! Are you stupid? You just don't know how to fit a ship. Our corp prophecies are taking on NPC BSs and Inties with NO PROBLEM. Its the best ship in the game atm. Setup please. Or tell us how, because frankly I don't believe you, unless 'our corp prophecies' is a group of 5 of them or something :D
Vexed	Posted - 2004.11.28 03:10:00 - [29] Originally by: Kaylana Syi Originally by: Vexed I bought a Prophecy to use for lvl 3 agent missions and sold it on about 2 hours later, battleships or heavy assaults are just so much more effective. Having said that I think it's great that they have introduced them as they effectively bridge the huge gap from cruisers to battleships. Obviously they play a role in PVP fleet battles which is the intention but for other things the above is true. About BC vs Heavy Assaults, well there's not really a contest, look at the bonuses you get with heavy assaults and you'll see that any of them will shred a battlecruiser pretty sharpish. That's why the skill requirements are high, because they are evil ships. All in all, battlecruisers are a welcome addition as it will give newer players a stepping stone to battleships and added diversity to fleet battles. yay! Are you stupid? You just don't know how to fit a ship. Our corp prophecies are taking on NPC BSs and Inties with NO PROBLEM. Its the best ship in the game atm. Yeah I must be stupid because I don't see how BC's are more EFFECTIVE than BS for lvl 3 missions like I stated. At the end of the day everyone is raving over BC's about how great they are because they are new so that means they obviously own everything that existed beforehand. Go get a sacrilige or zealot and then tell me how uber your prophecy is.
Vexed	Posted - 2004.11.28 03:10:00 - [30] Originally by: Kaylana Syi Originally by: Vexed I bought a Prophecy to use for lvl 3 agent missions and sold it on about 2 hours later, battleships or heavy assaults are just so much more effective. Having said that I think it's great that they have introduced them as they effectively bridge the huge gap from cruisers to battleships. Obviously they play a role in PVP fleet battles which is the intention but for other things the above is true. About BC vs Heavy Assaults, well there's not really a contest, look at the bonuses you get with heavy assaults and you'll see that any of them will shred a battlecruiser pretty sharpish. That's why the skill requirements are high, because they are evil ships. All in all, battlecruisers are a welcome addition as it will give newer players a stepping stone to battleships and added diversity to fleet battles. yay! Are you stupid? You just don't know how to fit a ship. Our corp prophecies are taking on NPC BSs and Inties with NO PROBLEM. Its the best ship in the game atm. Yeah I must be stupid because I don't see how BC's are more EFFECTIVE than BS for lvl 3 missions like I stated. At the end of the day everyone is raving over BC's about how great they are because they are new so that means they obviously own everything that existed beforehand. Go get a sacrilige or zealot and then tell me how uber your prophecy is.

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