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Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.03.01 11:26:00 - [31] STO was doomed the instant they decided to neuter it and move it towards single player game. Why would you ever pay monthly sub to play a single player online? STO has no real PVP, the only PVP it has is instanced, has no consecuense, and is limited to a set ammount of people. Also one race for PVE, and one for PVP. (Feds and Klingons) STO set sail for fail right from the start. Sad really. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Fergus McRae Gallente New Eden Regimental Navy Rebel Alliance of New Eden	Posted - 2010.03.01 11:41:00 - [32] Originally by: Malcanis Lulz at the chumps who bought lifetime subs Indeed... I don't know why anyone would ever buy a lifetime sub before playing the game... of course, the fact that you can only ever buy them BEFORE the game is launched is very telling. Same thing with LoTRO. The only time games ever offer lifetime subs before launch is when they need capital or they need to show shareholders that there's interest in the game. Essentially, you can always tell the developers who themselves don't have a lot of faith in their product, just look for the pre-launch lifetime sub offers. --- Fergus McRae Cerebral Mastication
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2010.03.01 11:44:00 - [33] Originally by: RaTTuS Originally by: Neesa Corrinne boot.ini which affected how many people - very very very few I didn't have a boot.ini for many months after that. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Spii't Gelekk	Posted - 2010.03.01 12:16:00 - [34] As a life-long trek fan i had high hopes and expectations for STO. Already after seeing the first screenshots i totally gave up all hope for this desperate FAIL attempt. (reading the reviews confirmed this). Being a very rational guy i know that it took EVE years to become what it is now, but STO really seems to lack any prospect like ALL OTHER STAR TREK GAMES. I think the difference is that the CCP crew in general has a real passion for the game and gaming. I really get the feeling that STO is just setup as a big cash-cash by big studio execs. (and btw. did you notice the simularities between the STO gui en EVE?)
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.03.01 12:23:00 - [35] Originally by: Spii't Gelekk As a life-long trek fan i had high hopes and expectations for STO. Already after seeing the first screenshots i totally gave up all hope for this desperate FAIL attempt. (reading the reviews confirmed this). Being a very rational guy i know that it took EVE years to become what it is now, but STO really seems to lack any prospect like ALL OTHER STAR TREK GAMES. I think the difference is that the CCP crew in general has a real passion for the game and gaming. I really get the feeling that STO is just setup as a big cash-cash by big studio execs. (and btw. did you notice the simularities between the STO gui en EVE?) ST the TV show went good, now they wanna milk the trekkies even more. ST is based on the alredy set plots and elements form teh ST univers. EVE has been able to make its own universe, not needing to adapt a game to an already set universe, rather the opposite way. Most importnely EVE and CCP gets the whole player interaction thing and how importent it is for the continuity of the game. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Neoenderli	Posted - 2010.03.01 12:56:00 - [36] STO failed because they tried to integrate multiple games into one. They wanted a FPS-lite game, they wanted ship combat, etc. etc. However, they took a lot of aspects from Champions-Online (which failed) and tried to integrate them into STO. Ever since I heard Cryptic studios took over development of STO, my heart dropped. I had been looking forward to STO for a long time. They could have made the game so awesome, but instead made it just another carebear game. Sad really. Could you imagine playing the dominion and wreaking havoc on Federation outposts, or playing the greed Ferengi? Cryptic cant, they can only imagine you flying into an instanced area of space by yourself to blow ships up by smashing 1, 2, 2, 2, 4. :(
I SoStoned Caldari	Posted - 2010.03.01 13:02:00 - [37] Shatner voice: Hey, look, it's Star Trek! Geek voice: YAY! Eve voice: Looks dated. Shatner voice: Yes, but it's Star Trek! You know you love it. Buy it. Geek voice: Got my lifetime sub already! Eve voice: I want to what? snorts Shatner voice: At least it's not Star Wars Galaxies. No NWO. Eve voice: Yeah, it still kinda sucks tho. Geek voice: Oh, I love it, so easy! Hey, I can jigger the autofire so all my guns shoot... all I need to do is fly! Eve voice: Where's the market?? Where's the crafting?? WHAT THE HELL?? 20 different currencies???[/b] Irritated Shatner voice: Market's that way points toward priceline.ugh Geek voice: I'm gunna start a Klingon character! Do some Pee-Vee-Pee! time keeps on slippin slippin slippin into the future! Shatner voice: SHUT UP!! Geek voice: Hey, what the heck? No bridge officers for Klingons? I'm an admiral, now what do I do? Where's the high end stuff?? Crap, this sucks! Eve voice: Hey, come on over. Look, here's 21 days and I'll front you a Rifter. Have a blast. Geek voice: YAY! undocks Eve voice: FOOL. podkills
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Punic Corp.	Posted - 2010.03.01 13:20:00 - [38] Originally by: TheGunslinger42 I remember having a good laugh at the boot.ini thing. My XP had managed to somehow lose it's boot.ini long before eve nuked it (and it told me so every time I started the computer - but it DID still boot normally, albeit with a quiet little grey message beforehand). Summary: Delete/lose your boot.ini before EVE does and you'll be fine. I had the same thing. Eve's Trinity patch deleted the file, but XP would still boot just fine after giving an error message saying that it couldn't find it. ----- 'In Eve, as in real life, if you are bored it's your own fault.'
Angry Poster	Posted - 2010.03.01 13:23:00 - [39] Edited by: Angry Poster on 01/03/2010 13:26:05 I agree that Cryptic are one of the ****tiest MMO campanies I've ever had the "pleasure" of dealing with. Not only is their game totally broken (which might be forgiveable for a newly released game) it's also their entire game concept that just sucks. I knew it would suck compared to EVE (like WOW sucks compared to EVE) but this is just a totally new level of "suck". WOW with Klingon skins (or even UO with Klingon skins) would have been a better game then STO. Zero content, you take like 3 days to reach max level, PVP is virtually non-existant and the game it self is so trivially easy that any 5 year old could play it without even doing the tutorial. I can build a macro on my G19 that will basically be able to solo the entire game - that's the kind of "challenge" you can expect. The only thing I totally can't understand is: how can such a crap company get an IP like Star Trek to mess up? Do the owners of the Star Trek franchise not have any last shred of self-respect left? Or do they not spend any time looking into the track record of the companies they sell the rights to? It doesn't look like it somehow. I'm personally very happy that STO is flopping the way it is. These kind of moronic companies (like Cryptic) should be forced to have their employees sterilized for the good of evolution. It's the only thing that will help long term (and it won't only help for the quality of future MMOs). Edit: I'd like to conclude my post by saying: He's dead Jim. And he deserves it.
Neesa Corrinne Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2010.03.01 13:30:00 - [40] Originally by: Angry Poster I agree that Cryptic are one of the **tiest MMO campanies I've ever had the "pleasure" of dealing with. Not only is their game totally broken (which might be forgiveable for a newly released game) it's also their entire game concept that just sucks. I knew it would suck compared to EVE (like WOW sucks compared to EVE) but this is just a totally new level of "suck". WOW with Klingon skins (or even UO with Klingon skins) would have been a better game then STO. Zero content, you take like 3 days to reach max level, PVP is virtually non-existant and the game it self is so trivially easy that any 5 year old could play it without even doing the tutorial. I can build a macro on my G19 that will basically be able to solo the entire game - that's the kind of "challenge" you can expect. The only thing I totally can't understand is: how can such a crap company get an IP like Star Trek to mess up? Do the owners of the Star Trek franchise not have any last shred of self-respect left? Or do they not spend any time looking into the track record of the companies they sell the rights to? It doesn't look like it somehow. I'm personally very happy that STO is flopping the way it is. These kind of moronic companies (like Cryptic) should be forced to have their employees sterilized for the good of evolution. It's the only thing that will help long term (and it won't only help for the quality of future MMOs). Do you really** think that the people making these kinds of decisions have ever played an MMO even once? This is why MMO's that are part of existing entertainment franchises are generally terrible. The licenses are owned by people who have zero experience in the industry and just want to turn another buck. The best games are worlds that are made from scratch by the gaming industry.

Bodrul Caldari Polaris Rising Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.01 13:34:00 - [41] got five day trial , played for 15min and wanted to shoot my self afterwords. game play sucked. ........ Buy Animated Talking Video Avatars
Angry Poster	Posted - 2010.03.01 13:36:00 - [42] Originally by: Neesa Corrinne Do you really think that the people making these kinds of decisions have ever played an MMO even once? This is why MMO's that are part of existing entertainment franchises are generally terrible. The licenses are owned by people who have zero experience in the industry and just want to turn another buck. The best games are worlds that are made from scratch by the gaming industry. You seem to be right but answer be this: you are the owner of a HUGE franchise like Star Trek and it becomes clear that there is room in the MMO-market for a new Star Trek online game. You have two options: either sell it to the first random company that walks in your office (even if the only two MMOs they previously made failed in every way - not last in earning money) or you pay some MMO-geek 50'000 dollars to do some research and give the MMO-company(s) a clear guideline in how to create the game. I'm sure the holders of the Star Trek franchise could have earned a lot more money if they had invested the time to do that (and in the end earning money is their only goal). That's why I simply don't understand why anyone in their right mind would do such a thing.
Amberlamps	Posted - 2010.03.01 13:38:00 - [43] Originally by: Angry Poster Edited by: Angry Poster on 01/03/2010 13:27:43 I agree that Cryptic are one of the **tiest MMO campanies I've ever had the "pleasure" of dealing with. Not only is their game totally broken I don't think that its "broken" so to speak, I think from the comments I've read its just generally a game. Be thankful... be thankful that CCP haven't turned around and said CCP Quote:** Oh hai guiz! I hurd u wnt phree skill pointz hre u go! 90 days free trial... initially you think WOW! Then within about 2 seconds I had already come to the conclusion there is a catch... the catch is the game isnt worth playing!
Serpents smile	Posted - 2010.03.01 13:39:00 - [44] Originally by: Angry Poster The only thing I totally can't understand is: how can such a crap company get an IP like Star Trek to mess up? Do the owners of the Star Trek franchise not have any last shred of self-respect left? Or do they not spend any time looking into the track record of the companies they sell the rights to? It doesn't look like it somehow. The owners don't give a frell about their IP as long as masses floc to anything startrek related. Take for example the buttheads Rick Berman and Brannon Braga with their "enterprise" (insert puke smiley). They started off with saying 'guys, we have something no other trek ever had, we have an arc! 'Only to shoot the arc down in the first episode. One of those idiot producers never even saw a trek film/ tv series prior before he was brought onboard the show. How can you expect any self respect from the owners of the IP? They're just in for the raw money, they don't give a jakk manure about what vomit this or that company produces with their IP as long as it brings them money. <--Ex trek fan.
Teijas	Posted - 2010.03.01 13:46:00 - [45] Originally by: Stitcher Originally by: Nova Fox Edited by: Nova Fox on 01/03/2010 10:47:08 Shatner supports wow though. so STO has Shatner, WoW has Mr. T and Ozzy... I figure we need somebody like Samuel L. Jackson or Nathan Fillion. Bungie has Mr. Fillion tied up right now, I almost positive they'll slip him into Reach. As for Jackson, that would be a match made in Heaven. "Im tired of these Mutha **ing Frigs on this Mutha **ing Carrier!"; Mr. Jackson's response to 200+ Frig fleet.
Angry Poster	Posted - 2010.03.01 13:48:00 - [46] I'd be interested about the contract that Paramount (or whoever owns the franchise) has with Cryptic. I'd assume that Cryptic had to pay an initial sum of money for the IP and then have to give Paramount 15% (or whatever) of the money they earned with the IP. At least that's how Blizzard does it with World of Warcraft in China. If this is the case then it makes no sense to allow a crappy company to make a crap game. Paramount could have just as well sold the IP to a proper company (say Blizzard). They still would have made a very "mainstream" MMO (10 mil subscribers anybody?) but they also would have had the technical skills and knowledge of how to create a very simple but fun (= well paying) game. This way Paramount only got the initial cash for the IP but they'll never get any more money since.. well... Cryptic isn't earning any. Perhaps I'm totally wrong though... maybe the contract between Paramount and Cryptic is totally different. Anyone know?
Rashmika Clavain Gallente Revelation Space	Posted - 2010.03.01 14:00:00 - [47] A missing boot.ini doesn't wreck a PC... it just prevents it from booting. I am sure people in the home Pc support industry were very grateful to CCP for the error though T2 tinfoil 4tw Joking aside, boot.ini was an innocent coding error. Not quit the same league as giving away free game time as per the OP which was a calculated decision. /T2 tinfoil 4tw Removed. Please keep your EVE signature related to your EVE persona and not that of a real life politician. Navigator
Oscillation Overthruster	Posted - 2010.03.01 14:09:00 - [48] Originally by: Teijas Originally by: Stitcher Originally by: Nova Fox Edited by: Nova Fox on 01/03/2010 10:47:08 Shatner supports wow though. so STO has Shatner, WoW has Mr. T and Ozzy... I figure we need somebody like Samuel L. Jackson or Nathan Fillion. Bungie has Mr. Fillion tied up right now, I almost positive they'll slip him into Reach. As for Jackson, that would be a match made in Heaven. "Im tired of these Mutha **ing Frigs on this Mutha **ing Carrier!"; Mr. Jackson's response to 200+ Frig fleet. Nah, We need Chuck Norris and Jackie Chan. Ass kicking and lolz at the same time.
Mr Epeen	Posted - 2010.03.01 14:22:00 - [49] Originally by: I SoStoned Cryptic and Atari released Star Trek Online at the beginning of February to much fanfare. Three weeks later they're giving 90 days of free subscription time to new players, causing a flaming uproar and a page full of hate filled threadnaughts the likes of which Eve has never seen. CCP got it right, and still gets it right, despite all of their stumbles and faceplants. They have always picked themselves up and managed to carry forth. Take a look at STO, and see how to destroy a game before it can even grow. CCP is pretty quick to pull out rule #17 and lock the thread most times. I guess that only applies when it makes tham look bad and not when it makes fun of the competition. Rule 17: All posts must be about or related to Eve Online. Posts about other games or game companies, products or services not related to Eve are not permitted. Mr Epeen
Benri Konpaku	Posted - 2010.03.01 15:56:00 - [50] Mods enjoy a fun thread to read once in a while, they will lock it eventually when people starts flaming, but there's no rush. Know what's sad? I started playing EVE a few years ago to get my space pewpew fix while STO was finished, but the more I saw of that game as it was developed the more I liked EVE.

Kharamete	Posted - 2010.03.01 16:05:00 - [51] Eve has its problems, sure. The stability of the server since Dominion is a bit annoying sometimes, but you have to take it for what it is - an insanely complex application with tens of thousands of simultaneous operators will have problems now and then. Then there's the whole sov warfare thing still and the lag. But that's just temporary, and I think most of us know that, and so we mutter in corpchat and on the forums but don't really cancel our accounts. Well, not enough of us to worry. :) Because Eve is actually a pretty damned good game, despite that. And I, for one, would have a hard time accepting the limitations inherent in other games. I mean, what? You can't behead the asshead in your own faction that's just rubbing you the wrong way? To hell with that. And er, you can't part that shiny from that fool without the GMs getting involved? No way. Eve has spoiled me. I'd have a hard time playing other MMOs that weren't this free. To be freaking honest.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2010.03.01 16:05:00 - [52] Edited by: Le Skunk on 01/03/2010 16:05:51 Other threads about Other MMOs are swiftly moved to the little read Out of Pod Experience, and Im sure this thread detailing the failings of a compettitor MMO will be moved just as swiftly SKUNK (o)
Zedic Amarr Universalis Imperium	Posted - 2010.03.01 16:31:00 - [53] Originally by: Malcanis Lulz at the chumps who bought lifetime subs /agree Seriously though, a lifetime sub in STO is about as useful as a lifetime sub in Hellgate: London. ******ed.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.03.01 16:34:00 - [54] As long as people care enough to make threads everywhere about how it's failing there's hope for STO. It's when people just ignore an MMO that it's in trouble. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
P00P	Posted - 2010.03.01 16:53:00 - [55] Although I have not played, STO, I have played several other main stream games like everquest LOTRO DDO, Wow, etc. Every game I have played I eventually came to a point where I was no longer motivated to play. ôWhatÆs the point?ö I would think. Even in Eve, after a big setback or two, I would lose interest. But hereÆs the thing. I would go back and try again on all these games. I would start a new char or respec an old one, but the same stuff was there. Same quests, same server, same enemies, etc. Sure I quit Eve a few times, but I always come back because there is something new going on all the time. Sure the learning curve in this game is tough. I have been playing since beta and only know a fraction of the game mechanics. But thatÆs what makes it fun IMO. Main stream MMO's are like building a model from a kit, but Eve is like building with LegoÆs. The fun was in the building. When you got done you rebuilt it or changed the standard setup or you big bro came over and smashed it.. Eve is like that. Always something else to do or a new way to do it. Mainstream MMO's are like a model plane. Play with it till your done, then put it on a shelf....or blow it up with firecrackers
Kijo Rikki Caldari Swarm of Angry Bees	Posted - 2010.03.01 16:58:00 - [56] For some reason I thought this was gonna be about JGE. > WHILE SIG<AWESOME DO LOOP there is no escape from my crappy sig.
Cornaris	Posted - 2010.03.01 17:03:00 - [57] MMO's tend to offer lifetime subs when when they are dieing. (actual dieing, not just like eve) Considering they were offering lifetime subs before it was even out.........
bff Jill	Posted - 2010.03.01 17:15:00 - [58] STO was kind of fun to play for a little while, it should have been a singleplayer game with maybe an online pvp matchup service. I mean, thats basically what it is, so just drop the subscription, cut out all the tedious repetitive "fly around this planet and do 5 things" missions, and it could be kind of fun.
Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.03.01 17:29:00 - [59] Originally by: Malcanis Lulz at the chumps who bought lifetime subs Yep, too bad none of them listened to me half a year ago.
bff Jill	Posted - 2010.03.01 17:48:00 - [60] I have a lifetime subscription to hellgate london



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