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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2010.03.02 19:06:00 -
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As many of you have notice, Tranquility has been less than tranquil of late. CCP Valar fills us in on the progress being made towards keeping Tranquility well-behaved in his newest dev blog.
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Frug
Omega Wing
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Posted - 2010.03.02 19:17:00 -
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In before "I'm a paying customer and this is unacceptable and I'm canceling all 50 of my accounts FUUUUUU"
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HeliosGal
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.03.02 19:22:00 -
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perhaps these bugs have something to do with the bugged anamoly issue that u guys seem to not have been able to fix despite saying its been fixed but it hasnt still finding sites that refuse to despawn is this related ? Signature - CCP what this game needs is more variance in PVE aspects and a little bit less PVP focus, more content more varied level 1-4 missions more than just 10 per faction high sec low sec and 00 |
Arcturas Vostro
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Posted - 2010.03.02 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: HeliosGal perhaps these bugs have something to do with the bugged anamoly issue that u guys seem to not have been able to fix despite saying its been fixed but it hasnt still finding sites that refuse to despawn is this related ?
In before "Maybe it's due to this completely unrelated bug that makes me angry!"...oh, wait...
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Hud Bannon
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Posted - 2010.03.02 19:27:00 -
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Ahh...The growing pains of interaction between tons of hugely complex systems. EVE takes on a double entendre when you call it the Sand box. :)
Sort of like people. They suprise you and don't work out like you thought it would when you get enough of them in a room together.
I predict that tranquilty server will gain sentience in... 3 years. :)
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Callic Veratar
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Posted - 2010.03.02 19:28:00 -
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I hope it's not something as "simple" as a stack overflow. Too many connections and disconnections off the TCP stack, without prompt removal from the stack?
(Though, this was probably one of the first things you guys checked...)
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Silly Petey
Minmatar The Fruit Flys
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Posted - 2010.03.02 19:31:00 -
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Lol
Ccp- that stuff you sold us keeps breaking Vendor- let me see the logs Ccp -errr they show nothing. Vendor- sorry for your loss. We hope you get back on your feet soon
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Gawain Hill
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Posted - 2010.03.02 19:45:00 -
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ok so pick the day it happens most on then just do what needs to be done for that one day and let people moan the game becomes a bit laggy but if it stops the game falling over then all is well and we have 1 day of lag instead of a million days of the game falling over.
/me wonders if he's the only one who wouldn't object to that
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Lobster Man
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2010.03.02 19:51:00 -
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Edited by: Lobster Man on 02/03/2010 19:52:12
Quote: "...our logs, surprisingly, showed nothing."
Best line in any devblog, ever....confirming everyone's suspicions, once and for all
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Regat Kozovv
Caldari Alcothology
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Posted - 2010.03.02 20:00:00 -
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Thanks for the update Valar. Good luck with the troubleshooting.
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Mei Tzu
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Posted - 2010.03.02 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Silly Petey Lol
Ccp- that stuff you sold us keeps breaking Vendor- let me see the logs Ccp -errr they show nothing. Vendor- sorry for your loss. We hope you get back on your feet soon
You mean it's "working as intended"?
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Dante Edmundo
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Posted - 2010.03.02 20:17:00 -
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I thought database software was specifically designed to handle race conditions? What a sucky database.
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Manfred Rickenbocker
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Posted - 2010.03.02 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Hud Bannon Ahh...The growing pains of interaction between tons of hugely complex systems. EVE takes on a double entendre when you call it the Sand box. :)
Every sandbox gets a few turds in it from wandering animals now and then. The best you can do is sift the sand as best you can or call your sand provider for more sand. ------------------------ Peace through superior firepower: a guiding principle for uncertain times. |
Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2010.03.02 20:29:00 -
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Im sure you guys will fix it! You allways do in the end!
But this line made me laugh, even in all its seriousness:
Originally by: CCP Valar ", opened up a support case with the vendor regarding the incident, since our logs, surprisingly, showed nothing"
Anyway, happy bughunting!
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL. |
Ender Flagrante
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.03.02 20:34:00 -
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In before some idiot suggests switching to MySQL.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2010.03.02 20:39:00 -
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Switch to Chribsql? Any error will be replaced with a unit of Veldspar. Your choice for the optimal Veldsparish look!
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Fearless M0F0
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.03.02 20:41:00 -
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Just wondering how much money has CCP wasted debugging and developing workarounds so the sql engine they bought does what it is supposed to do out of the box
Now what would have happened if they instead took all that time and money and migrated to Oracle...
SQL server has become a fine product but it seems Microsoft is way over their heads supporting it for the Eve cluster and are likely using CCP as a guinea pig for stuff Oracle and the other REAL database engines have been handling for years.
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Tsabrock
Gallente Circle of Friends
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Posted - 2010.03.02 20:46:00 -
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A very interesting post. Upon reading the link for "race condition" I learned that this same phenomena was what was ultimately responsible for the North American Blackout in 2003 (which I narrowly missed being affected by).
From some of my own programming experience, such problems can be agonizingly difficult to track-down. --- I don't read the forums all the time here - if you read something here and want to respond to me directly, EVE-Mail me, and I'll eventually read it. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.03.02 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: Frug In before "I'm a paying customer and this is unacceptable and I'm canceling all 50 of my accounts FUUUUUU"
I canceled all my accounts once, stupid creditcard expiring
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CODE RED
Caldari Black Nova Corp IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.02 20:58:00 -
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If we had a vendor like this I'd have canned them ages ago and castrated their business until they closed shop........then again thats how I deal with things ;p
Good luck guys I know the pain you are in, been there, done that, got the crappy Tshirt ;p _________________________________________ Kryo "CODE RED" Dracon
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Hienz Doofenshmirtz
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Posted - 2010.03.02 20:58:00 -
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race conditions are fun. glad you guys are working with the vendor, so they can improve their product in the future.
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Gimme Sugar
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Posted - 2010.03.02 21:14:00 -
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Time to switch from SQL Server (Sybase) to Oracle RDBMS!
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Lord Helghast
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Posted - 2010.03.02 21:17:00 -
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Theirs nothing wrong with SQL Server x64 its wicked we use it in production, but everything has bugs, look at mysql's changelogs between versions its not 1 or 2 things that get fixed, oracles great as well but no database platform is perfect, they all have their bugs and snafus
the fact that the vendor and ccp are working together just goes to show how nice it is to have a a good support back bone, half the problem of why it isnt fixed so far is because its a high end running production environment that they cant really do much to trouble shoot it, im sure if they cud get it to happen on sisi this would have been fixed in december.
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Profian
Amarr Blood Bringers
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Posted - 2010.03.02 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba Edited by: Chribba on 02/03/2010 20:51:03 Switch to Chribsql? Any error will be replaced with a unit of Veldspar. Your choice for the optimal Veldsparish look!
Cheers Chribba, I read this while drinking and almost choked.....
ChribSQL, I'd buy that
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Mara Sci
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Posted - 2010.03.02 21:46:00 -
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So, just out of curiosity, isn't the entire point of failover so that you can *keep* running in the event of a problem? Failover shouldn't cause the need to reboot. I would say that is just fail and not really failover.
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Xyfu
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.03.02 21:51:00 -
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OMG LIEK WHAI AREN'T YOO MAKING SHIPS LOOK BETTUR.
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Ulair Memmet
ORIGIN SYSTEMS Shadows of Light
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Posted - 2010.03.02 22:03:00 -
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We have all reason to be ****ed about the issues, but what of it.
It's better for all of us if i just cheer you up and say keep it on You can do it
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Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy Spreadsheets Online
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Posted - 2010.03.02 22:13:00 -
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I see alot of "our vendor"
microsoft? cisco?
Im impressed you guys tracked down a race condition in tcp stack. That surely came down to a "Once you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe. ------------------------ Life sucks and then you get podded. |
Daminma2
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.03.02 22:32:00 -
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Didn't the article say the race condition is suspected to be in the TCP stack? Also, didn't CCP go "stackless" on the TCP stack recently? Why are people blaming SQL?
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Kinomoto Sakura
FW Scuad E C L I P S E
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Posted - 2010.03.02 22:51:00 -
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Time to get another vendor ihmo ----------------
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