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Trader20	Posted - 2010.03.03 18:46:00 - [1] So CCP, WTF is With the Retribution? I don't wanna bother u but 1 midslot? Are we gonna fix this or ignore it. I'll gladly swap a high/low slot for 1 more mid. Wats the reasoning behind a pvp ship with less then 1 mid, forced to fly in a gang or go really slow?
Shadowy Assistant	Posted - 2010.03.03 18:52:00 - [2] my Guardian only has 2 guns and no damage bonus, WTF CCP, how am I supposed to kill stuff with it? Give it more midslots so I can fit more tackle, at least then it isn't as gimped
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2010.03.03 18:54:00 - [3] Originally by: Shadowy Assistant my Guardian only has 2 guns and no damage bonus, WTF CCP, how am I supposed to kill stuff with it? Give it more midslots so I can fit more tackle, at least then it isn't as gimped Drones you noob.
Trader20	Posted - 2010.03.03 18:56:00 - [4] Originally by: Shadowy Assistant my Guardian only has 2 guns and no damage bonus, WTF CCP, how am I supposed to kill stuff with it? Give it more midslots so I can fit more tackle, at least then it isn't as gimped Well guardian has a role and it's support not dps, so being in a gang is pretty much the whole point of flying one, at least do some research before u attempt to be funny
Shadowy Assistant	Posted - 2010.03.03 18:57:00 - [5] Originally by: Trader20 Well Retribution has a role and it's DPS not support, so being in a gang is pretty much the whole point of flying one, at least do some research before u attempt to be funny
Terianna Eri Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2010.03.03 19:02:00 - [6] Originally by: Shadowy Assistant Originally by: Trader20 Well Retribution has a role and it's DPS not support, so being in a gang is pretty much the whole point of flying one, at least do some research before u attempt to be funny The point is that other ships do the DPS role better while bringing some tackle, and the role of "frigate DPS" is pretty dumb since you could just bring a T1 cruiser and do better. Or for that matter, a stealth bomber, which will deal 2-3x the damage of a Retribution with more range. ________________ Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
Trader20	Posted - 2010.03.03 19:05:00 - [7] Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: Shadowy Assistant Originally by: Trader20 Well Retribution has a role and it's DPS not support, so being in a gang is pretty much the whole point of flying one, at least do some research before u attempt to be funny The point is that other ships do the DPS role better while bringing some tackle, and the role of "frigate DPS" is pretty dumb since you could just bring a T1 cruiser and do better. Or for that matter, a stealth bomber, which will deal 2-3x the damage of a Retribution with more range. I don't think u get it. U don't bring a frigate for it's dps, u bring it because it's fast and can dictate fights.
Terianna Eri Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2010.03.03 19:06:00 - [8] Edited by: Terianna Eri on 03/03/2010 19:06:44 Originally by: Trader20 Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: Shadowy Assistant Originally by: Trader20 Well Retribution has a role and it's DPS not support, so being in a gang is pretty much the whole point of flying one, at least do some research before u attempt to be funny The point is that other ships do the DPS role better while bringing some tackle, and the role of "frigate DPS" is pretty dumb since you could just bring a T1 cruiser and do better. Or for that matter, a stealth bomber, which will deal 2-3x the damage of a Retribution with more range. I don't think u get it. U don't bring a frigate for it's dps, u bring it because it's fast and can dictate fights. You can't dictacte anything in a Retribution because it has one midslot EDIT: What the hell, YOU just said it has a role and it's DPS, and then you just said you don't bring a frigate for its dps. Are you stupid, confused, or just a terrible troll? ________________ Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
Trader20	Posted - 2010.03.03 19:32:00 - [9] U can't dictate anything in a ret? No ****, why do u think I started this thread. U just made my case and owned urself in the same sentence. Also Where did I say the ret's role is dps?
Terianna Eri Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2010.03.03 19:39:00 - [10] Edited by: Terianna Eri on 03/03/2010 19:39:43 Originally by: Trader20 U can't dictate anything in a ret? No **, why do u think I started this thread. U just made my case and owned urself in the same sentence. Also Where did I say the ret's role is dps? I've gotten very confused and forgot you were the OP also Originally by:** Trader20 Well Retribution has a role and it's DPS not support, so being in a gang is pretty much the whole point of flying one, at least do some research before u attempt to be funny there ________________ Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
Trader20	Posted - 2010.03.03 20:02:00 - [11] Originally by: Terianna Eri Edited by: Terianna Eri on 03/03/2010 19:39:43 Originally by: Trader20 U can't dictate anything in a ret? No **, why do u think I started this thread. U just made my case and owned urself in the same sentence. Also Where did I say the ret's role is dps? I've gotten very confused and forgot you were the OP also Originally by:** Trader20 Well Retribution has a role and it's DPS not support, so being in a gang is pretty much the whole point of flying one, at least do some research before u attempt to be funny there Woops my fault, I was wrong saying ret's role is dps. But wat role can a ship with one mid fill (except failbait)?
Terianna Eri Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2010.03.03 20:16:00 - [12] man this is why editing people's quotes can lead to failure Anyway yes with one midslot the only thing the Ret can bring to a gang is DPS. To be fair it's pretty good at that role since you can get 200 dps out of it at 22+range with pulse lasers or 150 at like 40 with beams (the latter numbers pulled out of my arse). And that's with frigate tracking so it's not like it's going to miss. But in a frig gang you can fly a ship that does almost as much DPS and has tackle too, and if you're a frigate in a gang of larger ships and you want to bring DPS, just fly a larger ship, it's cheaper and better. Frigates supporting larger gangs need to be able to get points first and DPS secondary. But we have enough frigs that can get a point on something so I'd fix the retribution like this: 1) more fitting 2) give it a 25% damage bonus as it's missing AF bonus 3) +1 turret I think a 300 dps laser frigate would be worth bringing; much less raw DPS than a stealth bomber but way better ability to apply that damage, doesn't have to freak out if it gets targeted, and enough DPS to be worth considering instead of a cruiser since it can put all 300 of that DPS onto any target, including taking out tacklers. ________________ Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
Grut The Protei	Posted - 2010.03.03 23:14:00 - [13] Highslot to midslot +20 cpu Fixed Nice specialised gunboat, vunerable to neuts with guns needing cap and no room for a nos. Kinsy > deadman you there? Kinsy > are either of us in pods, becase we dont know... Mostly harmless [ 2005.12.09 19:22:50 ] (notify) You have started trying to warp scramble the Dreadnought
Trader20	Posted - 2010.03.04 03:52:00 - [14] Edited by: Trader20 on 04/03/2010 03:52:54 So We have 1 of 3 options on how to fly a ret. 1. Don't fit a mwd and not dictate range (a frig w/o a mwd is fail) 2. Don't fit a point and have them warp off (kinda defeats the purpose of even getting in a fight) 3. Fly in a gang with proper support (I would actaully recommend this for all ships ) I don't usually solo pvp but AF's seem like the last glimmer of hope for T2 solo pvp since they're fast, can lock down anything, and they do decent dps but without the proper mids for tackle, being in a gang with a ret is the only way to pvp. Guess I'll just have to stick with cepters (less dps) or hacs (slower) for solo pvp.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2010.03.04 05:12:00 - [15] How to fix the Retribution: high -> mid, low -> mid, fix grid/CPU to allow the following: [Retribution, I wish!] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Damage Control II Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Medium Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Small Energy Locus Coordinator I Small Energy Locus Coordinator I -----------
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2010.03.04 11:46:00 - [16] Originally by: Merin Ryskin ... Roflmao, from 1 mid to 3 on amarr ship. And with enough cpu to fit 3x hs, t2 dc, t2 point, t2 mse and mpls2. Ah merin. If it happened /i think that 3 mids... nah, never happen/, it would be most likely : [Retribution, I wish!] Imperial Navy Heat Sink II Imperial Navy Heat Sink II Imperial Navy Heat Sink II Internal Force Field Array I Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Caldari Navy Medium Shield Extender Domination Warp Disruptor Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Small Energy Locus Coordinator I Small Energy Locus Coordinator I With cpu implant and -cpu for guns implant . And still doing only 2,3k...
Tyrael Primus Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2010.03.04 12:03:00 - [17] The only role for the retribution is to be the tankiest frigate or 2nd highest DPS frigate in a frigate only gang with maybe an interdictor or two. So the whole gang is fast and every other pilot in gang has tackle so you can focus on bring DPS or bait. If the FC lets anything tougher than a frigate sized ship into gang than your whole fleet is slower, so its up to the FC to make the Retribution relevant
Kane Starkiller Minmatar	Posted - 2010.03.04 15:00:00 - [18] Just by a Navy Slicer tbh. The price difference is minimal and the change in preformance astounding. Though the dramiel is still better
Alesha Kalishi	Posted - 2010.03.08 18:28:00 - [19] Tanky Frigate.. now thats an Oxymoron! With one midslot, and the fact its a retribution, and thus, as slow as a frakking CRUISER... you will get scrammed by the nearest smart interceptor... Then promptly oneshotted by ... well everything! Retributions, are not designed for PVP.. the one midslot should have been the dead giveaway!! No.. i figured they were for mission runners, I did some lvl3s in one easily once. Other then that? I have no idea.. the idea of a DPS frigate is laughably silly. Bring a CRUISER. Hell.. if you want a DPS frigate, take a vengance least the poor thing can tackle. Still slow as hell and youll get melted by anything that can catch you (and everything can! memory serves me correctly, it did about 2500ms with MWD). No. Fly a amaarian cruiser, or.. just don't do frigate warfare, it is LAUGHABLE now with faction ships both easily available and able to kick the c*** out of any assault frig. And with snipe hacs.. they cant even be anti fighter support!!
Mayulus	Posted - 2010.03.08 19:23:00 - [20] remove 1 low and give it 1 med
Koniss	Posted - 2010.03.08 19:30:00 - [21] Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 Originally by: Merin Ryskin ... Roflmao, from 1 mid to 3 on amarr ship. And with enough cpu to fit 3x hs, t2 dc, t2 point, t2 mse and mpls2. Ah merin. If it happened /i think that 3 mids... nah, never happen/, it would be most likely : [Retribution, I wish!] Imperial Navy Heat Sink II Imperial Navy Heat Sink II Imperial Navy Heat Sink II Internal Force Field Array I Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Caldari Navy Medium Shield Extender Domination Warp Disruptor Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Small Energy Locus Coordinator I Small Energy Locus Coordinator I With cpu implant and -cpu for guns implant . And still doing only 2,3k... gogo faction T2 heatsink btw all the assault frigs have 1 utility (almost useless) high slot if you really want a mid you have to give up a tank slot to keep the ship balanced with the others AFs
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2010.03.08 19:41:00 - [22] Originally by: Koniss gogo faction T2 heatsink btw all the assault frigs have 1 utility (almost useless) high slot if you really want a mid you have to give up a tank slot to keep the ship balanced with the others AFs What, that was manual efting . Btw, yes, it definitely needs to trade low for mid to be balanced with other afs.
Ravenesa The Bastards The Bastards.	Posted - 2010.03.08 20:36:00 - [23] As someone who actually flies the Ret and likes to bring it out in frig roams, there are two ways I fly it, as either close in DPS or as a 46km sniping AF that books around at speeds that Ceptors need to fly at. As a close in DPS boat they excel at popping drones, taking damage, and being a meanance to anything that uses shields. They have exceptional range, cap stability, and basicalyl make for a very good gun platform (NOS in the highs works wonders) With the range bonus a Ret is also capable of being a sniping AF out to 46km and can basically stay MWD'd the whole time. This setup is wonderful for killing drones and tackle/frig ships because it is fast enough that it can get off multiple shots at range before things close with it. Would a mid slot be nice? Yes, but I still like the ship. Hell it is an ammoless ratting dream too :)
Ashira Twilight	Posted - 2010.03.08 21:33:00 - [24] Originally by: Ravenesa As someone who actually flies the Ret and likes to bring it out in frig roams, there are two ways I fly it, as either close in DPS or as a 46km sniping AF that books around at speeds that Ceptors need to fly at. As a close in DPS boat they excel at popping drones, taking damage, and being a meanance to anything that uses shields. They have exceptional range, cap stability, and basicalyl make for a very good gun platform (NOS in the highs works wonders) With the range bonus a Ret is also capable of being a sniping AF out to 46km and can basically stay MWD'd the whole time. This setup is wonderful for killing drones and tackle/frig ships because it is fast enough that it can get off multiple shots at range before things close with it. Would a mid slot be nice? Yes, but I still like the ship. Hell it is an ammoless ratting dream too :) Hey man, I know a ship you might also like. It has EIGHT guns of FURY, same optimal, 50% better tracking.........AND it is SEVENTEEN times cheaper and insurable to boot. Sure sure, almost nobody uses it because it also has one mid, but it's not like we can spend 3mil on a cruiser and get more out of it than an AF.
Ravenesa The Bastards The Bastards.	Posted - 2010.03.08 23:19:00 - [25] Originally by: Ashira Twilight Originally by: Ravenesa As someone who actually flies the Ret and likes to bring it out in frig roams, there are two ways I fly it, as either close in DPS or as a 46km sniping AF that books around at speeds that Ceptors need to fly at. As a close in DPS boat they excel at popping drones, taking damage, and being a meanance to anything that uses shields. They have exceptional range, cap stability, and basicalyl make for a very good gun platform (NOS in the highs works wonders) With the range bonus a Ret is also capable of being a sniping AF out to 46km and can basically stay MWD'd the whole time. This setup is wonderful for killing drones and tackle/frig ships because it is fast enough that it can get off multiple shots at range before things close with it. Would a mid slot be nice? Yes, but I still like the ship. Hell it is an ammoless ratting dream too :) Hey man, I know a ship you might also like. It has EIGHT guns of FURY, same optimal, 50% better tracking.........AND it is SEVENTEEN times cheaper and insurable to boot. Sure sure, almost nobody uses it because it also has one mid, but it's not like we can spend 3mil on a cruiser and get more out of it than an AF. Except you forget the fact that the Ret is 1k faster, cap stable, has a lock range that lets it sit at optimal, has a bigger buffer, etc etc. Those little bits are what make the Ret better then the Coercer in this application.
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2010.03.08 23:35:00 - [26] Retri is still trash for pvp and only km *****s use it in frig gangs.
yani dumyat Minmatar Pixie Cats	Posted - 2010.03.09 00:50:00 - [27] A hawk walks in to the thread. He crys a bit before leaving, eyeballing the retri's lasers with jealousy. Sig_______ "Advice is a form of nostalgia. Dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it's worth."
Marlona Sky D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2010.03.09 09:02:00 - [28] Originally by: yani dumyat A hawk walks in to the thread. He crys a bit before leaving, eyeballing the retri's lasers with jealousy. An Eos walks into the thread. He commits suicide. His suicide note talks about how he was once worth flying. A Deimos walks into the thread...
Marko Riva Adamant Inc.	Posted - 2010.03.09 09:20:00 - [29] The role of a Retribution is a low sec/0.0 (sansha) ratter that doesn't use ammo while being very agile. Kinda limited I admit but if you're looking at a decently fast/agile, good tank, decent dps ship that doesn't need a whole supply train for ammo then the Retri is what you're looking for. It's not any worse than a Hawk and in PVE it outshines a Wolf or Enyo just fine. The real problem is that BOTH Amarr AF's are kinda meh so there is no decent PVP option. Would rockets stop sucking then the Vengeance would be the PVP ship leaving the Retri in an agreeable PVE role. ----------- I think, therefore I'm single. Want to learn combat/PVP? Alliance creation service
Marlona Sky D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2010.03.09 12:37:00 - [30] Originally by: Trader20 AMARR IS NOT THE BEST RACE IN EVERY SHIP CLASS AND NOW I AM MAD!!!

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