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Trader20
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Posted - 2010.03.03 18:46:00 -
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So CCP, WTF is With the Retribution? I don't wanna bother u but 1 midslot? Are we gonna fix this or ignore it. I'll gladly swap a high/low slot for 1 more mid. Wats the reasoning behind a pvp ship with less then 1 mid, forced to fly in a gang or go really slow?
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Shadowy Assistant
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Posted - 2010.03.03 18:52:00 -
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my Guardian only has 2 guns and no damage bonus, WTF CCP, how am I supposed to kill stuff with it? Give it more midslots so I can fit more tackle, at least then it isn't as gimped
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.03.03 18:54:00 -
[3]
 Originally by: Shadowy Assistant
my Guardian only has 2 guns and no damage bonus, WTF CCP, how am I supposed to kill stuff with it? Give it more midslots so I can fit more tackle, at least then it isn't as gimped
Drones you noob.
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Trader20
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Posted - 2010.03.03 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowy Assistant
my Guardian only has 2 guns and no damage bonus, WTF CCP, how am I supposed to kill stuff with it? Give it more midslots so I can fit more tackle, at least then it isn't as gimped
Well guardian has a role and it's support not dps, so being in a gang is pretty much the whole point of flying one, at least do some research before u attempt to be funny 
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Shadowy Assistant
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Posted - 2010.03.03 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Trader20
Well Retribution has a role and it's DPS not support, so being in a gang is pretty much the whole point of flying one, at least do some research before u attempt to be funny
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
Senex Legio
Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2010.03.03 19:02:00 -
[6]
Originally by: Shadowy Assistant
Originally by: Trader20
Well Retribution has a role and it's DPS not support, so being in a gang is pretty much the whole point of flying one, at least do some research before u attempt to be funny
The point is that other ships do the DPS role better while bringing some tackle, and the role of "frigate DPS" is pretty dumb since you could just bring a T1 cruiser and do better. Or for that matter, a stealth bomber, which will deal 2-3x the damage of a Retribution with more range.
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Trader20
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Posted - 2010.03.03 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Shadowy Assistant
Originally by: Trader20
Well Retribution has a role and it's DPS not support, so being in a gang is pretty much the whole point of flying one, at least do some research before u attempt to be funny
The point is that other ships do the DPS role better while bringing some tackle, and the role of "frigate DPS" is pretty dumb since you could just bring a T1 cruiser and do better. Or for that matter, a stealth bomber, which will deal 2-3x the damage of a Retribution with more range.
I don't think u get it. U don't bring a frigate for it's dps, u bring it because it's fast and can dictate fights.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
Senex Legio
Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2010.03.03 19:06:00 -
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Edited by: Terianna Eri on 03/03/2010 19:06:44
Originally by: Trader20
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Shadowy Assistant
Originally by: Trader20
Well Retribution has a role and it's DPS not support, so being in a gang is pretty much the whole point of flying one, at least do some research before u attempt to be funny
The point is that other ships do the DPS role better while bringing some tackle, and the role of "frigate DPS" is pretty dumb since you could just bring a T1 cruiser and do better. Or for that matter, a stealth bomber, which will deal 2-3x the damage of a Retribution with more range.
I don't think u get it. U don't bring a frigate for it's dps, u bring it because it's fast and can dictate fights.
You can't dictacte anything in a Retribution because it has one midslot
EDIT: What the hell, YOU just said it has a role and it's DPS, and then you just said you don't bring a frigate for its dps. Are you stupid, confused, or just a terrible troll?
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Trader20
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Posted - 2010.03.03 19:32:00 -
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U can't dictate anything in a ret? No ****, why do u think I started this thread. U just made my case and owned urself in the same sentence. 
Also Where did I say the ret's role is dps?
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
Senex Legio
Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2010.03.03 19:39:00 -
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Edited by: Terianna Eri on 03/03/2010 19:39:43
Originally by: Trader20
U can't dictate anything in a ret? No ****, why do u think I started this thread. U just made my case and owned urself in the same sentence.
Also Where did I say the ret's role is dps?
I've gotten very confused and forgot you were the OP 
also
Originally by: Trader20
Well Retribution has a role and it's DPS not support, so being in a gang is pretty much the whole point of flying one, at least do some research before u attempt to be funny
there
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Originally by: CCP Incognito
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Trader20
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Posted - 2010.03.03 20:02:00 -
[11]
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Edited by: Terianna Eri on 03/03/2010 19:39:43
Originally by: Trader20
U can't dictate anything in a ret? No ****, why do u think I started this thread. U just made my case and owned urself in the same sentence.
Also Where did I say the ret's role is dps?
I've gotten very confused and forgot you were the OP
also
Originally by: Trader20
Well Retribution has a role and it's DPS not support, so being in a gang is pretty much the whole point of flying one, at least do some research before u attempt to be funny
there
Woops my fault, I was wrong saying ret's role is dps. But wat role can a ship with one mid fill (except failbait)?
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
Senex Legio
Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2010.03.03 20:16:00 -
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man this is why editing people's quotes can lead to failure
Anyway yes with one midslot the only thing the Ret can bring to a gang is DPS. To be fair it's pretty good at that role since you can get 200 dps out of it at 22+range with pulse lasers or 150 at like 40 with beams (the latter numbers pulled out of my arse). And that's with frigate tracking so it's not like it's going to miss.
But in a frig gang you can fly a ship that does almost as much DPS and has tackle too, and if you're a frigate in a gang of larger ships and you want to bring DPS, just fly a larger ship, it's cheaper and better. Frigates supporting larger gangs need to be able to get points first and DPS secondary.
But we have enough frigs that can get a point on something so I'd fix the retribution like this:
1) more fitting
2) give it a 25% damage bonus as it's missing AF bonus
3) +1 turret
I think a 300 dps laser frigate would be worth bringing; much less raw DPS than a stealth bomber but way better ability to apply that damage, doesn't have to freak out if it gets targeted, and enough DPS to be worth considering instead of a cruiser since it can put all 300 of that DPS onto any target, including taking out tacklers.
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Grut
The Protei
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Posted - 2010.03.03 23:14:00 -
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Highslot to midslot
+20 cpu
Fixed
Nice specialised gunboat, vunerable to neuts with guns needing cap and no room for a nos.
Kinsy > deadman you
there?
Kinsy > are either of us in
pods, becase we dont know...
Mostly harmless
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Trader20
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Posted - 2010.03.04 03:52:00 -
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Edited by: Trader20 on 04/03/2010 03:52:54
So We have 1 of 3 options on how to fly a ret.
1. Don't fit a mwd and not dictate range (a frig w/o a mwd is fail)
2. Don't fit a point and have them warp off (kinda defeats the purpose of even getting in a fight)
3. Fly in a gang with proper support (I would actaully recommend this for all ships )
I don't usually solo pvp but AF's seem like the last glimmer of hope for T2 solo pvp since they're fast, can lock down anything, and they do decent dps but without the proper mids for tackle, being in a gang with a ret is the only way to pvp. Guess I'll just have to stick with cepters (less dps) or hacs (slower) for solo pvp.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2010.03.04 05:12:00 -
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How to fix the Retribution: high -> mid, low -> mid, fix grid/CPU to allow the following:
[Retribution, I wish!]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Damage Control II
Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Medium Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Small Energy Locus Coordinator I
Small Energy Locus Coordinator I
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.03.04 11:46:00 -
[16]
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
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Roflmao, from 1 mid to 3 on amarr ship. And with enough cpu to fit 3x hs, t2 dc, t2 point, t2 mse and mpls2. Ah merin.
If it happened /i think that 3 mids... nah, never happen/, it would be most likely :
[Retribution, I wish!]
Imperial Navy Heat Sink II
Imperial Navy Heat Sink II
Imperial Navy Heat Sink II
Internal Force Field Array I
Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Caldari Navy Medium Shield Extender
Domination Warp Disruptor
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Small Energy Locus Coordinator I
Small Energy Locus Coordinator I
With cpu implant and -cpu for guns implant .
And still doing only 2,3k...
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Tyrael Primus
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2010.03.04 12:03:00 -
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The only role for the retribution is to be the tankiest frigate or 2nd highest DPS frigate in a frigate only gang with maybe an interdictor or two. So the whole gang is fast and every other pilot in gang has tackle so you can focus on bring DPS or bait.
If the FC lets anything tougher than a frigate sized ship into gang than your whole fleet is slower, so its up to the FC to make the Retribution relevant
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Kane Starkiller
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.03.04 15:00:00 -
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Just by a Navy Slicer tbh. The price difference is minimal and the change in preformance astounding. Though the dramiel is still better
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Alesha Kalishi
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Posted - 2010.03.08 18:28:00 -
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Tanky Frigate.. now thats an Oxymoron!
With one midslot, and the fact its a retribution, and thus, as slow as a frakking CRUISER... you will get scrammed by the nearest smart interceptor...
Then promptly oneshotted by ... well everything!
Retributions, are not designed for PVP.. the one midslot should have been the dead giveaway!! No.. i figured they were for mission runners, I did some lvl3s in one easily once.
Other then that? I have no idea.. the idea of a DPS frigate is laughably silly. Bring a CRUISER.
Hell.. if you want a DPS frigate, take a vengance least the poor thing can tackle.
Still slow as hell and youll get melted by anything that can catch you (and everything can! memory serves me correctly, it did about 2500ms with MWD).
No. Fly a amaarian cruiser, or.. just don't do frigate warfare, it is LAUGHABLE now with faction ships both easily available and able to kick the c*** out of any assault frig.
And with snipe hacs.. they cant even be anti fighter support!!
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Mayulus
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Posted - 2010.03.08 19:23:00 -
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remove 1 low and give it 1 med
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Koniss
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Posted - 2010.03.08 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Lugalzagezi666
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
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Roflmao, from 1 mid to 3 on amarr ship. And with enough cpu to fit 3x hs, t2 dc, t2 point, t2 mse and mpls2. Ah merin.
If it happened /i think that 3 mids... nah, never happen/, it would be most likely :
[Retribution, I wish!]
Imperial Navy Heat Sink II
Imperial Navy Heat Sink II
Imperial Navy Heat Sink II
Internal Force Field Array I
Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Caldari Navy Medium Shield Extender
Domination Warp Disruptor
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Small Energy Locus Coordinator I
Small Energy Locus Coordinator I
With cpu implant and -cpu for guns implant .
And still doing only 2,3k...
gogo faction T2 heatsink
btw all the assault frigs have 1 utility (almost useless) high slot if you really want a mid you have to give up a tank slot to keep the ship balanced with the others AFs
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.03.08 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Koniss
gogo faction T2 heatsink
btw all the assault frigs have 1 utility (almost useless) high slot if you really want a mid you have to give up a tank slot to keep the ship balanced with the others AFs
What, that was manual efting .
Btw, yes, it definitely needs to trade low for mid to be balanced with other afs.
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Ravenesa
The Bastards
The Bastards.
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Posted - 2010.03.08 20:36:00 -
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As someone who actually flies the Ret and likes to bring it out in frig roams, there are two ways I fly it, as either close in DPS or as a 46km sniping AF that books around at speeds that Ceptors need to fly at.
As a close in DPS boat they excel at popping drones, taking damage, and being a meanance to anything that uses shields. They have exceptional range, cap stability, and basicalyl make for a very good gun platform (NOS in the highs works wonders)
With the range bonus a Ret is also capable of being a sniping AF out to 46km and can basically stay MWD'd the whole time. This setup is wonderful for killing drones and tackle/frig ships because it is fast enough that it can get off multiple shots at range before things close with it.
Would a mid slot be nice? Yes, but I still like the ship. Hell it is an ammoless ratting dream too :)
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Ashira Twilight
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Posted - 2010.03.08 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ravenesa
As someone who actually flies the Ret and likes to bring it out in frig roams, there are two ways I fly it, as either close in DPS or as a 46km sniping AF that books around at speeds that Ceptors need to fly at.
As a close in DPS boat they excel at popping drones, taking damage, and being a meanance to anything that uses shields. They have exceptional range, cap stability, and basicalyl make for a very good gun platform (NOS in the highs works wonders)
With the range bonus a Ret is also capable of being a sniping AF out to 46km and can basically stay MWD'd the whole time. This setup is wonderful for killing drones and tackle/frig ships because it is fast enough that it can get off multiple shots at range before things close with it.
Would a mid slot be nice? Yes, but I still like the ship. Hell it is an ammoless ratting dream too :)
Hey man, I know a ship you might also like. It has EIGHT guns of FURY, same optimal, 50% better tracking.........AND it is SEVENTEEN times cheaper and insurable to boot. Sure sure, almost nobody uses it because it also has one mid, but it's not like we can spend 3mil on a cruiser and get more out of it than an AF.
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Ravenesa
The Bastards
The Bastards.
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Posted - 2010.03.08 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ashira Twilight
Originally by: Ravenesa
As someone who actually flies the Ret and likes to bring it out in frig roams, there are two ways I fly it, as either close in DPS or as a 46km sniping AF that books around at speeds that Ceptors need to fly at.
As a close in DPS boat they excel at popping drones, taking damage, and being a meanance to anything that uses shields. They have exceptional range, cap stability, and basicalyl make for a very good gun platform (NOS in the highs works wonders)
With the range bonus a Ret is also capable of being a sniping AF out to 46km and can basically stay MWD'd the whole time. This setup is wonderful for killing drones and tackle/frig ships because it is fast enough that it can get off multiple shots at range before things close with it.
Would a mid slot be nice? Yes, but I still like the ship. Hell it is an ammoless ratting dream too :)
Hey man, I know a ship you might also like. It has EIGHT guns of FURY, same optimal, 50% better tracking.........AND it is SEVENTEEN times cheaper and insurable to boot. Sure sure, almost nobody uses it because it also has one mid, but it's not like we can spend 3mil on a cruiser and get more out of it than an AF.
Except you forget the fact that the Ret is 1k faster, cap stable, has a lock range that lets it sit at optimal, has a bigger buffer, etc etc. Those little bits are what make the Ret better then the Coercer in this application.
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.03.08 23:35:00 -
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Retri is still trash for pvp and only km *****s use it in frig gangs.
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yani dumyat
Minmatar
Pixie Cats
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Posted - 2010.03.09 00:50:00 -
[27]
A hawk walks in to the thread. He crys a bit before leaving, eyeballing the retri's lasers with jealousy.
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Marlona Sky
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2010.03.09 09:02:00 -
[28]
Originally by: yani dumyat
A hawk walks in to the thread. He crys a bit before leaving, eyeballing the retri's lasers with jealousy.
An Eos walks into the thread. He commits suicide. His suicide note talks about how he was once worth flying.
A Deimos walks into the thread...
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2010.03.09 09:20:00 -
[29]
The role of a Retribution is a low sec/0.0 (sansha) ratter that doesn't use ammo while being very agile. Kinda limited I admit but if you're looking at a decently fast/agile, good tank, decent dps ship that doesn't need a whole supply train for ammo then the Retri is what you're looking for.
It's not any worse than a Hawk and in PVE it outshines a Wolf or Enyo just fine. The real problem is that BOTH Amarr AF's are kinda meh so there is no decent PVP option. Would rockets stop sucking then the Vengeance would be the PVP ship leaving the Retri in an agreeable PVE role.
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Marlona Sky
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2010.03.09 12:37:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Trader20
AMARR IS NOT THE BEST RACE IN EVERY SHIP CLASS AND NOW I AM MAD!!!
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dAhAmbUrglA
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Posted - 2010.03.09 12:40:00 -
[31]
Well, theres always the BAIT-bution with its amazing 27k EHP. But yes. Its a useless ship. Can't even put a cyno on this.
[Retribution, Look im a good baitship...]
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Centii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Warp Disruptor II
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
[empty high slot]
Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I
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Grimpak
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.03.09 13:26:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
How to fix the Retribution: high -> mid, low -> mid, fix grid/CPU to allow the following:
[Retribution, I wish!]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Damage Control II
Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Medium Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Small Energy Locus Coordinator I
Small Energy Locus Coordinator I
NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
5-2-4, 5 turrets, extra fittings, 4th bonus becomes either damage or tracking
done
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.09 16:06:00 -
[33]
I love my little retribution and would love a second mid but not at the expence of the untility high slot as having that is way more usefull than getting a scram fitted for gang work.
Simply add the second mid, nothing more is required.
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1600 RT
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Posted - 2010.03.09 17:56:00 -
[34]
Originally by: baltec1
I love my little retribution and would love a second mid but not at the expence of the untility high slot as having that is way more usefull than getting a scram fitted for gang work.
Simply add the second mid, nothing more is required.
and why your ship should have more slot than others?
if you saying give 1 more slot to any AF im ok with it bot only to the retribution definitely no (hint idk if CCP is ok with changing 7 ships to fix 1)
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.03.09 18:00:00 -
[35]
Originally by: baltec1
would love a second mid but not at the expence of the untility high slot as having that is way more usefull than getting a scram fitted for gang work.
Ehm, now im not sure if you mean that seriously.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.09 18:05:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Lugalzagezi666
Originally by: baltec1
would love a second mid but not at the expence of the untility high slot as having that is way more usefull than getting a scram fitted for gang work.
Ehm, now im not sure if you mean that seriously.
Yet another tackler that is generally not needed in a frig gang vs staying alive.
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.03.09 18:24:00 -
[37]
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Lugalzagezi666
Originally by: baltec1
would love a second mid but not at the expence of the untility high slot as having that is way more usefull than getting a scram fitted for gang work.
Ehm, now im not sure if you mean that seriously.
Yet another tackler that is generally not needed in a frig gang vs staying alive.
Ah, ok.
Then .
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.09 18:30:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Lugalzagezi666
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Lugalzagezi666
Originally by: baltec1
would love a second mid but not at the expence of the untility high slot as having that is way more usefull than getting a scram fitted for gang work.
Ehm, now im not sure if you mean that seriously.
Yet another tackler that is generally not needed in a frig gang vs staying alive.
Ah, ok.
Then .
Giggle away. I know I do when people rage at not being able to kill me
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.03.09 18:43:00 -
[39]
Originally by: baltec1
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Thanks for bringing nothing to frig gang btw...
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.09 18:50:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Lugalzagezi666
Originally by: baltec1
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Thanks for bringing nothing to frig gang btw...
Fortunatly I fly with a good allience that can have fun with ships you cant manage
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.03.09 18:55:00 -
[41]
Originally by: baltec1
Fortunatly I fly with a good allience that can have fun with ships you cant manage
Good for you, bad for gang.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.09 18:58:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Lugalzagezi666
Originally by: baltec1
Fortunatly I fly with a good allience that can have fun with ships you cant manage
Good for you, bad for gang.
you kidding?
Its like a glorious golden beacon, everyone wants to kill it
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Proxyyyy
Caldari
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2010.03.09 19:03:00 -
[43]
The Retribution is a realy good ship for fleets/gangs. It could also be said that a coecer might be a cheaper choice to bring that does the same thing basically. I have seen retributions 2 - 3 volly a frig before it had time to react or warp out! Ive been a victim of the coecer in the past that did just that to me...
Also i would say its pretty hard to lose these ships tbh. THey dont need to ever go in scram/web range and are kinda fast. generaly anything that is fast enough to catch them dont have the tank to survive long. If you want a assault frig thats pretty tough, fast, and has alot of range. Then the retribution is the only af i would suggest anyone bring to a gang/fleet. Other than that a ceptor is always the better choice for gang/fleet work over all other assault frigs imo...
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.03.09 19:28:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Proxyyyy
I have seen retributions 2 - 3 volly a frig before it had time to react or warp out!
Oh yes, 900 - 1,3k ehp frigs ftw.
Originally by: Proxyyyy
THey dont need to ever go in scram/web range
Good, we have other gang members to die - that have to go into scram rane to actually point the target.
Originally by: Proxyyyy
and are kinda fast.
2,3k is fast?
Originally by: Proxyyyy
generaly anything that is fast enough to catch them dont have the tank to survive long.
Once its scrammed it wont land a single hit because of poor tracking.
Originally by: Proxyyyy
If you want a assault frig thats pretty tough, fast, and has alot of range. Then the retribution is the only af i would suggest anyone bring to a gang/fleet.
Or ishkur or harpy... that can also point or bring another ewar. Or bring stealth bomber for serious dps in frig package.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.09 20:13:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Proxyyyy
The Retribution is a realy good ship for fleets/gangs. It could also be said that a coecer might be a cheaper choice to bring that does the same thing basically. I have seen retributions 2 - 3 volly a frig before it had time to react or warp out! Ive been a victim of the coecer in the past that did just that to me...
Also i would say its pretty hard to lose these ships tbh. THey dont need to ever go in scram/web range and are kinda fast. generaly anything that is fast enough to catch them dont have the tank to survive long. If you want a assault frig thats pretty tough, fast, and has alot of range. Then the retribution is the only af i would suggest anyone bring to a gang/fleet. Other than that a ceptor is always the better choice for gang/fleet work over all other assault frigs imo...
Blah just ignore them, most havent even flown the retri and just base their arguement on "omg one mid".
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.03.09 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
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Bah, just ignore him,
Do your fc a favor and bring serious pvp ship to your frig gang, not useless km whoring ship that cant point.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.09 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Lugalzagezi666
Originally by: baltec1
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Bah, just ignore him,
Do your fc a favor and bring serious pvp ship to your frig gang, not useless km whoring ship that cant point.
As I said, people who dont fly the ship giving useless EFT opinions
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.03.09 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
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As i said, ignore him and be useful to your frig gang in proper pvp ship.
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2010.03.10 10:43:00 -
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Kinda sounds like people stating "I like to snipe" which more often than not should be translated to "I don't like having to get in close, because I might actually have to do something and may lose my ship".
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