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Captain Palar	Posted - 2010.03.11 09:53:00 - [61] Originally by: Marked Ugler Quote: Bring more DPS and he won't self-destruct. Otherwise, HTFU that's bull**, i only am required to bring the dps nessesary to break his tank, that is it. Obviously the lest attacker should get the killmail and that's it. All self destruction should do, is deny the attacker the loot. you have "bring the dps nessesary to break his tank" so u got a wreak. and demand smth else is a "bull**" as u sad. I'd think SD should be instant and do some sensitive aoe damage to everyone involved. and ofc no salvage and item drop in wreak.
K 004	Posted - 2010.03.16 15:22:00 - [62] +1
debbie harrio	Posted - 2010.03.17 08:01:00 - [63] Originally by: Marked Ugler that's bull****, i only am required to bring the dps nessesary to break his tank, that is it. Obviously the lest attacker should get the killmail and that's it. All self destruction should do, is deny the attacker the loot. You did break his tank, otherwise he wouldn't of self destructed, you have won the engagement by the ship exploding, you have denied your enemy an important asset on the field, this is the way of War, take it as a victory. Ah, I see you are just KM whoring, boohoo, that would have made my efficiency so L33T. Not supported.
ViolenTUK Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.03.17 13:42:00 - [64] Originally by: Merle Hausen Like everything else in EvE, what a player may try to obtain can be denied from them. SD'ing denies the aggressor the KM and rightfully so. IRC CCP has stated that the lack of KM for SD is working as designed and I for one can completely agree with them. Sorry, but bring more DPS or HTFU. In EvE, nothing is given to you and you have to take the initiative to obtain what you want. Nothing makes me happier than pilots tears from not getting their precious KM. Even better yet is when they fake said KM because "they earned it." On the issue of insurance, I agree with you to a degree, but SD is a legitimate game mechanic for a number of reasons, such as getting stuck, some missions, ect. ect. Nothing is more pathetic than lazy pilots demanding to be given something that has been taken from them. Hmmm, this sounds really familiar. Like pilots complaining about salvage not being theirs maybe? I agree. Not Supported.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.03.17 13:54:00 - [65] Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Meh... I don't like self destruct right now for the simple reason that the person who is doing so is having his cake and eating it. He is able to deny all loot, the killmail and he gets his insurance payout. It's a win/win scenario for the self destructer. Now, I couldn't give two hoots about the killmail or the loot as long as the person doing the self destructing gets hit in the balls by it (figuratively speaking). How is losing hundreds of millions of isk in mods "having your cake and eating it"? As much as you and others say it I seriously doubt capital pilots go about self-destructing capital ships because it's such a "win-win" for them. Because it isn't. If anything it's a lose-lose situation. And as always, gankers have a problem when things aren't handed down to them nice and easy. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.03.17 14:03:00 - [66] Originally by: Jeremey No, the whole "whine point" is about something entirely different. Ask yourself a question: why the loot drops when killing ships in Eve? Because, among other things it's reward for the winner. Loot drop is just another feature and dimension part of the game and that you fight for. If it was a "reward for killing a ship" it would just appear in your cargo with you being declared the rightful owner to that loot. But it doesn't. When the loot drops it still shows as the victim being the owner. This isn't the game you think it is where you get "prizes" for completing a task. You have to fight for it tooth and nail. So please do HTFU. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Ramzes Razares Caldari Fremen Sietch DarkSide.	Posted - 2010.03.18 00:03:00 - [67] +1
879898	Posted - 2010.06.03 15:37:00 - [68] Agreed
Verchik	Posted - 2010.06.03 15:42:00 - [69] Agreed
Moad Dip	Posted - 2010.06.03 16:21:00 - [70] Signed

Mr Yopta	Posted - 2010.06.03 16:22:00 - [71] +100
Lucky Bux	Posted - 2010.06.03 16:23:00 - [72] and me too
Kal Murmur	Posted - 2010.06.03 16:34:00 - [73] Supported
Cpt Branko Retired Pirate Club	Posted - 2010.06.03 17:32:00 - [74] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 03/06/2010 17:34:04 Originally by: VoZzZic Agreed. Cap. pilot, diying in a blob by focusing, dont have an ability to take his ship out without casualties. Why moron, caught by small fleet, must have one? If you need to get your insurance - do it somewhere on spot, with adequate timer... This. It's like a "**** you guys" option for idiots who are dying to a small gang or something, and on the other hand people who get either hotdropped/blobbed with overwhelming force or are in a real fight don't have any options. Which is idiotic, and encourages people to blob more. At least if it costed the carrier pilot something, like no insurance payout, then it would make a bit of sense. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Cyrus Doul Cosmic Vacum Cleaners	Posted - 2010.06.03 19:51:00 - [75] Edited by: Cyrus Doul on 03/06/2010 19:53:52 Originally by: Marlona Sky Edited by: Marlona Sky on 06/03/2010 11:32:13 I think the self destruct timer should be based on ship size (class). If the ship reaches the end of the timer then NO kill mail should be issued to anyone. On another note of the whole, "He self-destructed and is getting to have his cake and eat it too." crap. Since when was anyone able to make a profit off a fully fit carrier or dread when is fit? Take into account the amount of ISK to buy the insurance and the cost of the mods, fighters, drones, rigs. You get the idea. Only T1 crap fit, non-rigged, T1 ships that are sub-capital are you able to pull this off, and not on all of them. They are still out ISK, especially on capital ships. Not to mention the logistics of getting said stuff replaced. In closing I am in support of the timer being adjusted based on the ship size itself. I have had many ships self-destruct on me when I was unable to kill them in the 2 minutes, but I shrugged it off and moved on with my life. Maybe it is time for you to do the same? I broke even with my chimera. Found another one on sale for 625 on contracts 5 jumps from rens and 1 cyno to our normal staging area, had everything refitted in under an hour with the help of my alts carrying mods in their badgers. I make great fun of anyone in my alliance that an heros in a capital when they know they are going to lose it, they got you fair and square. Take the beating and live with it instead of pretending it didn't happen and your still a hot hand in your thanatos. And maybe make SD not work at all when you are triage or siege, I bet more then one person has went not going to make it not going to make it oh yeah! triage shields fill enough to give you the boost to live.
xChevalierx	Posted - 2010.06.03 20:40:00 - [76] I say get rid of self destructing all together (maybe only usable in A POD in wormholes). Or make the timer on it much much longer on all ships. Its stupid, who would puts a self destruct feature on a ship anyways? The only thing people really use it for is to collect insurance.
Laina Delapore Caldari Red Sun Industries	Posted - 2010.06.04 08:21:00 - [77] Originally by: Jeremey Edited by: Jeremey on 06/03/2010 14:05:32 Originally by: darius mclever you assume CCP cares about killmail and killboards, but they dont. Yes, they care much about it. If they don't, they'd haven't implemented killmail portion of Eve API (via which most of modern killboards receive killmails), nor they have had implemented in-game display of corporation kills and losses (almost in-game corporation killboard). Counter-point: Your inference is that; the existence of killmails in-game, the presence of the Corporate Recorded Losses/Kills tabs and the API for killmails means CCP cares about your killmails. Ergo, we can infer that Self-destruct not generating a killmail is "working as intended." QED, self-destruct does not need balancing. Is self-destruct annoying? Oh yes. You only have to look at the venom it generates in threads like these, the faked mails when someone s/d's their carrier, etc. Given the changes in insurance, it's likely to be far less of an issue though. On the points re records of engagement - if your carrier victim initiates self destruct, you have 2 minutes to FRAPS/screenshot it. Mail the link to his CEO, post on the forums, whatever. You forced X to self-destruct. That's your victory. Everything else is just fluff.


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