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SabotNoob
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Posted - 2010.03.06 06:12:00 -
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Got my first Retriever and here's my current loadout:
Strip Miner I x 2
Expanded Cargo Hold II x 2 (total cargo = 3,251.3 m3)
Residual Survey Scanner I
No rigs yet
Was wondering if there's a better configuration at my relatively noobish level (1 million SP's). Should I put some rigs on this thing? If so, what types?
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Xyla Kador
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Posted - 2010.03.06 06:21:00 -
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id say either cargo rigs or shield tank ones, but some ppl know better than i in that regard...
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Taross
Caldari
People with Guns
Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.03.06 12:18:00 -
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I tend to leave mining barges unrigged. If they're unrigged, you can repackage them and stuff them in a hauler to move, while flying any journey in a retriever, which has a capacitor so small you'll take 2 or even 3 jumps to cross most systems, is extremely frustrating.
Not a problem if you've got access to an orca, though. In that case, I'd say cargo rigs. Shield rigs sound nice, ant they're cheap, but, well, even WITH them your tank is paper-thin. Won't do much more than make you able to tank highsec belt rats for a little bit while your drones take 'em out, but you can do that WITHOUT the rigs.
As for fits, there's two POSSIBLE fits... One is the one you're using now, the other one has a mining laser upgrade and a cpu enhancer in the lows. Not sure if that'll fit on your current skills, but with a few more levels of mining laser upgrades and electronics skills, it should. And it's a nice bonus to your mining yield.
But a retriever set up like that will potentially overfill its own cargohold in one cycle of both strip miners. Not much of a problem if you're mining into a jetcan or secure container, since you can just activate the second one a bit later than the first, and drag the ore of the first before the ore of the second comes in.
But if you're filling up, docking, undocking, etc. you're better off with the cargo expander fit.
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Ir0n Prince
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Posted - 2010.03.06 14:45:00 -
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here is my setup for my mining.
Retreiver
3x Tech 1 Cap Circuit Rigs
2x Tech 1Strip Miners
1x Tech 2 Small Shield Booster
2x Tech 2 Cargo Expander
The rigs and booster are to tank against rats whilst my drones take them out. I mine into 6 secure cans that i have permanently anchored around my favorite asteroid belt. Once full i then collect with my Mammoth which is able to fit the contents of all six cans.
I strongly reccommend you train to lvl 4 in the following drone skills as well skill up to use tech2 light drones.
Drone Durability.
Drone Interface
Drone Navigation
Drone Sharpshooting
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2010.03.06 20:29:00 -
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A lot depends on how you are using your Retriever.
1) If you are moving it around - then yes - putting rigs on it will make that a lot harder. The average Industrial has a much better tank than a Retriever.
2) The other thing is, while a Retriever is a much more long term ship than the ships you used getting to it - still - it's only an interim ship. So ... you may or may not want to go to the expense of fitting it with rigs.
3) If you want to increase your mining output - you can put on the Strip Miner II's with some T2 Crystals. This will let you keep the ECH II's in your lows. The SM II's will work on any of the mining barges, not just the Hulks - and - when you move up to a better ship - you can move them with you which cuts down on your fitting expenses for the new ship. Just put the SM I's back on the older ship and keep it as a spare in case the new one gets blown up.
4) Jet Can Mining Mission Space in a quiet system will largely preclude you being messed with but the distances between asteroids are a lot greater than in the belts - so - fitting a 1 MN level AB can help you get around a little faster.
5) If you are mining in 1.0 or .9 space ... you don't have to worry about rats so you can dispense with your tank and combat drones, using mining drones instead but ... I mostly don't bother with mining drones until I get in a Covetor or hulk. Your call.
6) Remember that your real defense against other players is being able to warp out - so stay aligned and don't be at the warp in point.
7) If you mine mission space - put a tractor beam on your industrial to help pull in the jet cans. One tactic here ... is to AB around the asteroid cluster mining into separate jet cans - and labeling them so you know how old they are, then going back and fetching a destroyer with tractor beams to pull them all in to the Warp In Beacon. Then you can move all the ore from the oldest cans into newer ones then go back to fetch your industrial.
8) Make sure you have at least two tabs in your over view - one for standard and one for mining. Only switch to the mining tab if you need to target a new rock - then switch right back to standard - so you can see IMMEDIATELY if anything comes into your space. If you've got 5 combat drones and your drone skills trained up - you can pretty much blow away any rats in high sec before they can really hurt you but you have to pick them up as soon as you can. Don't wait until they're through your shields to realize that they are there ...
9) Now here, we get to fitting for multiple ships. Mining is the activity that best makes use of multiple accounts. The thing is - it gets harder to manage your ships the more of them you have. Thus, a Cargo Fit and operating in higher security space is something you might want to consider. I almost lost a Covetor in .6 once because I was busy with my hauler and didn't pick up these two punisher class rats when they showed up. By the time I alt tabbed about to find the ship they were attacking it was in trouble and I had to warp out. I made it but I was well into structure. One of my other ships drones then put paid to the rats in short order. So, I could easily handle those rats - I'd been doing it all night if I'd seen them as soon as they showed up ... but ... not realizing they were there until I started hearing the sound of combat coming from my speakers ... was not a good thing.
So, the point is, there isn't any one right fit. There are different fits depending on what you are doing at the moment. Mining in 1.0 or .9 you can fit one way, mining in .5 you can fit another. Decide on what you want to do and then fit your ship for that task. With Saved Fits you can rapidly change from one to the other. Now - obviously - the fitting tool doesn't change your rigs ... so here - you could actually just have more than one Retriever if you wanted to rig them differently. Whether or not you want to invest that much in Retrievers ... \0/
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.03.06 22:19:00 -
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Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 06/03/2010 22:24:27
DRONES! Don't forget da drones! I recommend 5x Hobgoblins over mining drones.
Fitting a Retriever is only slightly harder than fitting a freighter, as there really isn't a lot of choices that can be made.
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Drahreg
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Posted - 2010.03.07 12:05:00 -
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Edited by: Drahreg on 07/03/2010 12:07:06
 Originally by: Tau Cabalander
DRONES! Don't forget da drones! I recommend 5x Hobgoblins over mining drones.
Very right and I would not bother with a Residual Survey Scanner or any rigs. If you cant command 5 Drones, I suggest that you use medium drones like Hammerhead. One of the most important droneskills is drone-interfacing. (This will give an 20% increase of damage per level)
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My Postman
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Posted - 2010.03.08 15:55:00 -
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DonŠt waste rigs on a retriever. It is a paper thin ship and WILL fall to the first gank attempt. The cargohold of this ship is s*** too. Get exhumers 3 asap to board a hulk.
I know it takes a lot of time for Mining Barge 5 and Astrogeology 5. When having Barge 5 donŠt waste your time with a Covetor, you are only a few days from entering mining heaven.
This remindes me how much i hated this peace of s***. Long time ago, though.
Fake edit: DonŠt forget to insure it!
Hope this helps.
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SabotNoob
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Posted - 2010.03.08 16:25:00 -
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Question about mining drones. It seems as if they have their own separate cargo capacity?! I'm looking at the Mining Drone I, which is 1200 m3. I'm also guessing players are limited to five drones (one per skill level?).
Man, I wish I started training drones before Learning V.
If I interrupted Learning 5 (which is half way done) to quickly do a few drone skills, would I have to start Learning 5 all over again?
Thanks,
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Pandorium9
Minmatar
Pandorium Prime
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Posted - 2010.03.08 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: SabotNoob
If I interrupted Learning 5 (which is half way done) to quickly do a few drone skills, would I have to start Learning 5 all over again?
You can interrupt a skill and not lose any of its time trained.
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Matalino
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Posted - 2010.03.08 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: SabotNoob
Question about mining drones. It seems as if they have their own separate cargo capacity?! I'm looking at the Mining Drone I, which is 1200 m3. I'm also guessing players are limited to five drones (one per skill level?).
The drones' capacity attribute is meaningless. They do not increase your cargo and they do not carry anything themselves.
As was previously noted, you can interpt skill training without losing your progress.
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SabotNoob
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Posted - 2010.03.08 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Matalino
The drones' capacity attribute is meaningless. They do not increase your cargo and they do not carry anything themselves.
As was previously noted, you can interpt skill training without losing your progress.
Then what's the purpose of mining drones? What am I missing here?
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Matalino
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Posted - 2010.03.08 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: SabotNoob
Originally by: Matalino
The drones' capacity attribute is meaningless. They do not increase your cargo and they do not carry anything themselves.
As was previously noted, you can interpt skill training without losing your progress.
Then what's the purpose of mining drones? What am I missing here?
The important attributes are mining amount and duration. The base amount on a T1 mining dron is 15 m3. That means that a single mining drone will get you an extra 150 units of Veld every minute (60,000 millisecond duration) plus travel time. You can have 5 drones running at a time, plus they increase their mining yield as you train the Mining Drone Skill.
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