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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.03.06 13:54:00 -
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Two days ago we were treated by an unusual (and to some surprising) news message concerning the Intaki system. After the apparent 'liberation' of the system by FDU forces, the Intaki Assembly rebuffed their 'liberators', refusing them access to the Intaki system.
Some capsuleers have been notably upset and by this turn of events. The Intaki Assembly and its people must have been under coercion, they must have been threatened, otherwise why would they refuse the glorious freedom we brought them.
Let this be a clear warning to all who style themselves freedom fighters or liberators of some sort. Wake up. The freedom you so desperately try to dispense across the cluster does rarely consider what those you liberate want. Certainly not everyone refusing your 'liberation' has been brainwashed or suffer from some other form of coercion. Let this be a warning to everyone that 'comes for their people' and randomly ship off people they consider enslaved in some manner.
Many lives are lost in these 'liberations', I find it only fitting that the FDU adherent are now asking themselves the question if all these sacrifices were worth it. Many people don't want your particular brand of freedom forced on them.
I don't involve myself much with Caldari-Gallente conflict
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The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2010.03.06 14:16:00 -
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Prior to the war, the Federation Navy were not permitted in the Intaki system anyway, at the specific request of the Assembly. They wanted to hold onto a large degree of autonomy free from the Federal government and CONCORD, hence the 0.1 security level rated by DED.
It's nothing surprising; the Assembly is exercising their legal right. In fact, if anything, Ishukone has moved closer to the Federation by aligning with a major Federal member.
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.03.06 14:26:00 -
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Mr. Inhonores,
I know little of Intaki politics and feel unable to express a well-founded opinion on it. I can however comment about the frustration that is palpable among some of the capsuleer freedom fighters, who's supposedly unselfish efforts were rejected and negated.
It is these capsuleers that should look into their own hearts and souls and ask themselves what they were really fighting for if this 'rejection' hit them where it hurt.
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The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
JiaLei Lian
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2010.03.06 14:50:00 -
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 Originally by: Merdaneth
I don't involve myself much with Caldari-Gallente conflict
Then quit spouting your ignorance about it here.
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.03.06 15:08:00 -
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Edited by: chatgris on 06/03/2010 15:09:05
Do not view our internal politics as a sign of weakness, for even during our darkest days we vigilantly protect the ideals of liberty and freedom that our Federation was founded upon. While many of us may disagree with the Intaki Assembly's choice, we will continue to put our lives on the line to defend their right to make that choice.
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.03.06 15:25:00 -
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Bottom line is that the Assembly is either following the will of the people or not. If it is not, then the next elections will solve this issue. From all accounts it has been clear that the people of Intaki wish to remain part of the Federation.
My main concern is how deeply Mordus and Ishukone operatives are embedded into Intaki politics. All Intakis should strive to assure that the next set of elections are both free and fair.
There will always be doubts in this pilot's mind about how "free" and "fair" elections can be when the Assembly hires known criminals to provide protection. But for now the benefit of doubt will be given - at least until this pilot sees Ishukone Escorts patrolling Intaki with his own eyes.
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Jakiin
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
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Posted - 2010.03.06 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: X Gallentius
There will always be doubts in this pilot's mind about how "free" and "fair" elections can be when the Assembly hires known criminals to provide protection. But for now the benefit of doubt will be given - at least until this pilot sees Ishukone Escorts patrolling Intaki with his own eyes.
I am curious as to exactly why you would consider Mordu's Legion to be 'known criminals'. They are mercenaries, true, but mercenaries which have to my knowledge followed all of CONCORD's laws and are not defined in international law as criminal. Have they committed a crime by the Federation's laws which would cause them to be seen as 'criminal' by the Intaki Assembly?
Oh, anf hello everyone. Glad to see nothing's changed in my absence.
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Jakiin Torash
Holder Heir of the Kingdom
'Pacifist Reclaimer'
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Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2010.03.06 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth
Mr. Inhonores,
I know little of Intaki politics and feel unable to express a well-founded opinion on it. I can however comment about the frustration that is palpable among some of the capsuleer freedom fighters, who's supposedly unselfish efforts were rejected and negated.
It is these capsuleers that should look into their own hearts and souls and ask themselves what they were really fighting for if this 'rejection' hit them where it hurt.
In which case, I'm with you from a personal, non-professional standpoint. It upset me personally over this decision, but there is not much I can do about it. It is the free choice of the Intaki Assembly. "Free"...they seem quick to assert that it was...covering up insecurities?
However, there were many other systems we succesfully have liberated. That keeps me going through the disappointment of Intaki.
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Hussain
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2010.03.06 16:26:00 -
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About the freedom part:
Anyone know of another "empire" that would let one of its members have who they want as they defense force in times of war ?
As for Mordu's Legion it speaks tons of the freedom Federation gives to its members because its not only owned to 35% by the Caldari Navy it is also know for doing assassination and other pirate activities inside Federation space, I have crossed swords with them in several occasions at request by the Federation Navy.
If that is not freedom I don't know what it is.
I think that the Intaki Assembly knows that the only place they can do that is within the Federation or if they become independent.
Nevertheless I disprove completely of the Assembly's choices for obvious military and political reasons, but thats the Federation at its best.
ôLaissez faire, laissez passerö
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Vincent Death
Hyasyoda External Security Trade and Development
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Posted - 2010.03.06 17:18:00 -
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Pilot Merdaneth, the Gallente capsuleers were fighting Caldari capsuleers over the occupation of the system. They won this fight. They were entirely justified in fighting in Intaki under the terms of the Militia Act and I fully expect that we will continue to fight over the system until the war is won, lost or results in a cease fire.
The events in Intaki are nothing at all like those that occur between the Empire and and the Republic. Ishukone was not enslaving the people of Intaki. Do not attempt to muddy an already troubled issue for your own propaganda purposes.
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dibblebill
Beyond Our Sins
Redneck Rage
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Posted - 2010.03.06 18:39:00 -
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This would actually be a more accurate example of WHY we fight for what we fight for, Merdaneth. The Empire would NEVER grant independence to an entire system if it asked for it. That Intaki has not been invaded by the Navy and subjugated speaks volumes as to what the true liberation here is, and that they are using their liberty.
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kermit 3
Gallente
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2010.03.06 20:28:00 -
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i want to know will the milta now respect the intaki peoples will and now leave the system alone and allow the ishkone corparation to operate freely without harsment
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Sumerio Rayej
Gallente
Intaki Liberation Front
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Posted - 2010.03.07 05:23:00 -
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Originally by: X Gallentius
All Intakis should strive to assure that the next set of elections are both free and fair.
Hmmm... you mean like the last election the Federation ran?
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Anabella Rella
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.03.07 06:25:00 -
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I hope I'm not the only one who sees the irony of Merdaneth's posting. This is obviously a bad joke of some sort coming from an Amarrian whose religion and government have for centuries imposed themselves upon so many unfortunate people across New Eden.
When your dead-eyed hag of an empress and the immoral Theology Council decide to call off the "Reclaiming" then, and only then, can you pass judgment on others.
Perhaps it's you who should wake up to the fact that you can't force your alleged god's "salvation" on others at the barrel of a gun. |
Inora Sera
Minmatar
Knights of the Silver Dawn
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.07 10:35:00 -
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It could be irony if the Amarr claimed to be "Reclaimers" but acted as freedom fighters instead. They're not.
Can't blame them for finding it funny when people claiming to be fighting to free people get all upset when the poor victims they just saved from "terrible oppression" use that freedom to tell them to "get the **** off their land". Cause THAT is ironic.
Some people prefer the security they know to the freedom they don't, it's their decision and if freedom is important for you, you should abide to their decision.
Of course, some people prefer the freedom they know to the salvation and enlightement they don't, thing is... their soul is more important to us than their freedom.
Oh, and by the way, calling our Empress a dead-eyed hag when you look like you do? That is ironic too.
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Jianni Sotaku
Sotaku Estate
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Posted - 2010.03.07 11:18:00 -
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Edited by: Jianni Sotaku on 07/03/2010 11:19:23
Originally by: kermit 3
i want to know will the milta now respect the intaki peoples will and now leave the system alone and allow the ishkone corparation to operate freely without harsment
I believe that two federal corporations have already agreed to comply with the orders of the assembly. They released pubilc documents right here on the IGS if I'm not mistaken.
I should also think that the rest of the Union's capsuleer forces should follow the lead of QCATS and EL-G and follow the given orders.
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Anabella Rella
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.03.07 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Inora Sera
It could be irony if the Amarr claimed to be "Reclaimers" but acted as freedom fighters instead. They're not.
Can't blame them for finding it funny when people claiming to be fighting to free people get all upset when the poor victims they just saved from "terrible oppression" use that freedom to tell them to "get the **** off their land". Cause THAT is ironic.
Some people prefer the security they know to the freedom they don't, it's their decision and if freedom is important for you, you should abide to their decision.
Of course, some people prefer the freedom they know to the salvation and enlightement they don't, thing is... their soul is more important to us than their freedom.
Oh, and by the way, calling our Empress a dead-eyed hag when you look like you do? That is ironic too.
Sorry to see that the transcranial obedience implants and Vitoc still have such influence on you. Oh well, you'll soon be welcomed back into the family when your masters are removed from Providence and CVA becomes just another sad footnote in history. |
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